The Witcher 3 Would Be "Impossible" on PS3/Xbox 360

The Witcher 3 Would Be "Impossible" on PS3/Xbox 360

The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt screenshot

According to CD Projekt Red CEO Marcin Iwinski, big "sacrifices" would be necessary to bring The Witcher 3 to older consoles.

Thanks to the launch of the PS4 and Xbox One, 2013 saw several fairly prominent cross-generation game releases. It's a practice that some developers seem happy to embrace for the time being, likely in an attempt to maximize profits as the new gaming generation takes its initial steps forward. Not every game will be receiving that treatment however and, in some cases, cross-generation releases might even be "impossible."

CD Projekt Red's The Witcher 3 is apparently such a game. "[On PS3 and Xbox 360] it would have to be a different game--a smaller game, not an open-world game, or with terrible loading times, with sacrifices in graphics," said CEO Marcin Iwinski. Iwinski similarly shot down any suggestions that the The Witcher 2, which was ported to the Xbox 360 in 2012, will ever see a PS3 release. "The Xbox 360 was a more powerful and easier-to-code-on platform than PS3, so that would have taken us another year or year-and-a-half." In other words, PlayStation fans will need to wait for The Witcher 3 to finally get in on the series.

While this is likely to be disappointing for a number of gamers, it's not really all that surprising. From the get-go it's been made clear that The Witcher 3 is being designed to vastly expand on the experience of the series' previous iterations. Seeing as CD Projekt Red already had to make graphical sacrifices to get The Witcher 2 on Xbox 360, it just makes sense that The Witcher 3 would be too much for the aging consoles to handle.

Source: MCV India

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I doubt that, its the graphics that make it impossible, not the game itself - we have seen many huge games before. Or is this game bigger than Skyrim or even GTA5? If you think about it, Farcry 3 was released on the 360 even though a PC quality version would have been impossible - they just lowered the graphics, the story and gameplay was the same. I will pick up Witcher 3 at some point, though i hope it lives up to its hype more than Witcher 2.

Having a complicated and graphically impressive game run on <512 MB of RAM is already an impressive thing for modern games.

I'll be interested to see what happens when devs really sink their teeth into the depths of the new consoles resources. (preferably for a game that isn't already planned to be crippled by a cross-platform requirement. New game, new engine, new ideas. No ties to the inferior generation holding it down.)

And, before you go wagging your finger at me, yes, I am indeed of the PC Master race.

DELETE ME

Great, all the decisions that I've made in the Witcher 2 won't matter after all!!! So, technically seen the only people that will get the whole "Witcher" experience (Witcher 1,2 and 3 with imported savegames) are going to be the PC gaming glorious master race.

That really makes me sad. No, seriously, I honestly enjoyed The Witcher 2 on my Xbox 360 and seeing as it ended on a huge cliffhanger I'm just disappointed that I won't be able to continue Geralt's story without shelling out a minimum amount of 400 euro to upgrade to the next generation. I don't want to, I actually quite like this generation!

The Witcher 3 Would Be "Impossible" on PS3/Xbox 360

From what I hear, The Witcher 2 was impossible for many people, regardless of platform.

Well this makes me somewhat sad, Xbox get's just Witcher 2, Playstation get's next to nothing and the PC gets to have them all, the cake and gets to eat it.

Yeah I'm not terribly thrilled at the turn of recent events but I really would like for those with PS3's and 4's to be able to have all 3 since it's only fair that Xbox at least got 2.

Also I foresee witcher 3 getting port blames in the future to cover up bad decision making since that's the latest excuse on the block.

Objectable:
Read: We're too lazy to actually bother porting it.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm glad we have someone here who's an expert on what programmers can and can't do based on a few screenshots from a game.

UNHchabo:

The Witcher 3 Would Be "Impossible" on PS3/Xbox 360

From what I hear, The Witcher 2 was impossible for many people, regardless of platform.

Wasn't that addressed on the Enhanced Edition? and wasn't the 360 version based on the Enhanced Edition?.

OT: Well... that sucks. I don't know how "big" CD Projekt wants the game to be, but Witcher 2 was already pretty huge without being truly open world. It seems they want to chew more than they can swallow, I don't blame them for skipping last gen's hardware.

yes, feed me, feed me your tears
i never thought the tears gamers shed in regards to porting issues were this good.

Sounds great to me. My own personal definition of 'next gen' while it's getting kind of dated has always been a game that can't be made identical on the last gen hardware by simply lowering the graphic setting. If you can't play it because you only have a PS3 or a 360, then tough. I may be in the same boat as you as my PC's getting a little dated.

CD Projekt are spot on with this one. Cross generation ports lead to dilution. If you want a half assed game then they really are the wrong company to be talking to.

SupahGamuh:

Wasn't that addressed on the Enhanced Edition? and wasn't the 360 version based on the Enhanced Edition?.

No idea, I just wanted to make the joke. :)

Objectable:
Read: We're too lazy to actually bother porting it.

A lazy company would not spend a year providing support and patching for its games as they did with the other two games of the trilogy.

Also, you do realize they don't quite have the resources of Ubisoft or other companies who can simultaneously launch a new game of a franchise every year, right? They spent over a year porting the game to the 360, they could probably port it to PS3 at the cost of another year of dedicating themselves to just one game, and no, it just isn't worth it. Tough for me, as my pc barely runs witcher 2 as is, but it's a pretty understandable call on their end.

UNHchabo:
No idea, I just wanted to make the joke. :)

Uh... Whoops... *awkward silence*

I imagine they could eventually port these games to the new generation consoles. But as of now I'm content with them doing a PC release first. Especially now that the series is getting some love from the modding community!

SonOfVoorhees:
I doubt that, its the graphics that make it impossible, not the game itself - we have seen many huge games before. Or is this game bigger than Skyrim or even GTA5? If you think about it, Farcry 3 was released on the 360 even though a PC quality version would have been impossible - they just lowered the graphics, the story and gameplay was the same. I will pick up Witcher 3 at some point, though i hope it lives up to its hype more than Witcher 2.

Well, Witcher 2 is far more graphically intensive than GTAV or Skyrim (not including HD textures and ENBs, which to my knowledge are PC exclusive), and that wasn't even open world. Like you say, they could lower the graphics to compensate but to quote CDProjekt...

"[On PS3 and Xbox 360] it would have to be a different game--a smaller game, not an open-world game, or with terrible loading times, with sacrifices in graphics"

...so they're not really contradicting you there. It should be noted that in the full article he talks about the fact that his team simply isn't big enough to dedicate part of it to port a game while they're still in development stages of Witcher 3, but of course you wouldn't expect the Escapist to actually include that in their article since fueling the PC vs consoles bullshit is better for generating views...

Btw, just a personal tip: you should try to approach games with a blank slate attitude - expecting a game to live up to its hype is a terrible idea that only leaves people disappointed :P

SonOfVoorhees:
I doubt that, its the graphics that make it impossible, not the game itself - we have seen many huge games before. Or is this game bigger than Skyrim or even GTA5? If you think about it, Farcry 3 was released on the 360 even though a PC quality version would have been impossible - they just lowered the graphics, the story and gameplay was the same. I will pick up Witcher 3 at some point, though i hope it lives up to its hype more than Witcher 2.

it very likely is the game itself too. and its not the size that matters. if they got NPCs with AI better than skyrim (suicidal fisting dragons, please) old consoles likely cant run them. Thats because NPC AI is very RAM demanding, and old consoles got measily 512 mb of it. This is why you had so little smart AI in games, because the consoles cant handle that at all. so it may have nothing to do with size of graphics.

Alpha Maeko:
Having a complicated and graphically impressive game run on <512 MB of RAM is already an impressive thing for modern games.

but they have never done either......

Objectable:
Read: We're too lazy to actually bother porting it.

so i guess the fact that new programs dont run on windows 95 is also because someone was too lazy, right?

Sure i mean, when companies like rockstar and co. refuse to port to pc's it's obviously alright, serves them right these elitist pc gamers, knowing how to assemble hardware!
But God forbid some developer refuses to port to hardware that can only be described as ancient nowadays, oh those lazy bastards!

CDPR have made it quite clear that they focus on the PC platform above consoles....

It's probably one of the main reasons they build GoG...

But yeah, I don't know a lot about programming, only a basic level really... And the only thing a game needs to be impossible for a console is having to have constant access to assets that equal a size greater than 512MB...

And all things considered, it REALLY wouldn't be that hard... But again, I am not a programmer, so that was speculation...

As for actually being impossible, well, the CEO said it himself... It isn't impossible, it would be so detrimental to the game that it wouldn't be worth releasing because they'd have to skimp on content/graphics/loading times to a degree that would cripple the game to the point that it isn't good...

But yeah, let me think of a counter argument for a second...
(Rather sarcastic winging incoming)

Amaror:
Sure i mean, when companies like rockstar and co. refuse to port to pc's it's obviously alright, serves them right these elitist pc gamers, knowing how to assemble hardware!
But God forbid some developer refuses to port to hardware that can only be described as ancient nowadays, oh those lazy bastards!

^
THIS GUY!
Fucking ninja'd

Finally a dev team that has the guts to say it how it is, that the last gen consoles are so old that they won't compromise their game to try and port it for outdated hardware.

Really hope they optimize this game so I can play it on my rig at a decent quality setting. Irony here is that I'm troubled about W3 able to run on a i5 4.5ghz 8GB and 560ti and people expect this game to run on consoles with 512mb ram...yeah not gonna happen.

PS: Hey CDPR, please announce release date? Thanks!

SanguiniusMagnificum:
Great, all the decisions that I've made in the Witcher 2 won't matter after all!!! So, technically seen the only people that will get the whole "Witcher" experience (Witcher 1,2 and 3 with imported savegames) are going to be the PC gaming glorious master race.

That really makes me sad. No, seriously, I honestly enjoyed The Witcher 2 on my Xbox 360 and seeing as it ended on a huge cliffhanger I'm just disappointed that I won't be able to continue Geralt's story without shelling out a minimum amount of 400 euro to upgrade to the next generation. I don't want to, I actually quite like this generation!

Well technically, nothing in the Witcher 1 really mattered. The story was a complete cluster fuck since the 2nd chapter with more unexplained twists than an M night shyamalan movie.

But what do I get after 60 hours of the Witcher 1? A "legendary" armor worn by a legendary mythic witcher, and a "legendary" sword given to me by a god that is only marginally better than the gear you start with in the tutorial and replaced almost immediately by buying cheapo gear from a drunk dwarf in the ass end of nowhere.

Assuming of course, I read the wiki and know what gear was transferable to my 2nd game.

Oh yes, and getting to see a fully naked dryad that has WAY more detail than all of the other character models and other game assets. Because boobies.

That is the witcher experience. Now tell me, is this really such a big loss?

Well, other than the ending being the biggest mind fuck that tops Bioshock infinite by a country mile?

Alpha Maeko:
Having a complicated and graphically impressive game run on <512 MB of RAM is already an impressive thing for modern games.

I'll be interested to see what happens when devs really sink their teeth into the depths of the new consoles resources. (preferably for a game that isn't already planned to be crippled by a cross-platform requirement. New game, new engine, new ideas. No ties to the inferior generation holding it down.)

And, before you go wagging your finger at me, yes, I am indeed of the PC Master race.

Since when being rational has anything to do with ugly PC snobs?? Your post makes so much sense, and your opinion is shared by many console gamers...

More OT, i dont take this as good news... After all BF4 at its launch was almost impossible in PCs and its not really that great or revolutionary XD

Why are so many people bitching over this? Why do people want a stripped down port? I thought people wanted a reason to actually own a next gen console (that is if they don't already own an awesome PC). I take this as good news. I want next gen games.

If you look at the compromises they had to make with the 360 version of the Witcher 2, stands to reason that they'd have to make way more for a game designed with next gen hardware in mind.

Shadow-Phoenix:
Well this makes me somewhat sad, Xbox get's just Witcher 2, Playstation get's next to nothing and the PC gets to have them all, the cake and gets to eat it.

Yeah I'm not terribly thrilled at the turn of recent events but I really would like for those with PS3's and 4's to be able to have all 3 since it's only fair that Xbox at least got 2.

Also I foresee witcher 3 getting port blames in the future to cover up bad decision making since that's the latest excuse on the block.

Well while its really not an ideal situation the games were originally intended to be on the pc. A port of the first one was originally planned to come out on the 360 but it feel through. The second one only came to xbox because of its increased popularity. Maybe we could talk sony into trading a Pc port of The Last Of Us for all 3 witcher games on ps4?

Leviano:
If you want a half assed game then they really are the wrong company to be talking to.

Considering the buggy, overwritten, under explained resource hog that was -pre Enhanced Edition- Witcher 2 on PC, that's pretty much exactly what they are. Still a great game but it felt very unfinished when it released.

Though they are leaps and bounds ahead of any company in PC gaming by being DRM free, they are IMHO the only company worth buying from right now

Strazdas:

Objectable:
Read: We're too lazy to actually bother porting it.

so i guess the fact that new programs dont run on windows 95 is also because someone was too lazy, right?

Naw man, you're shooting too low. Not porting games to a TRS80 is lazy. Absolutely.

OT: Well, it sucks for people who played part 2 on 360. Granted it also sucks for them that they didn't get to play the first one either if they don't own a PC. Other than that, its not a big deal. I'm not a huge fan of the Witcher series, not saying its bad or anything, just not all that impressed with it either. I do look forward to 3 just to see if it can come close to living up to what hype it has already.

I have a question. I know people are talking about saves and decisions carrying over from game to game but was this actually confirmed? In the grand scheme of things, are some of the bigger decisions of number 2 going to actually make that big of an impact in 3? The war and story in number 2 is a lot smaller in scale when you think about what is going to happen in 3.

 

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