CD Projekt: Cyberpunk Will Be A True RPG

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CD Projekt: Cyberpunk Will Be A True RPG

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Multiplayer shooter? No!

CD Projekt RED's Cyberpunk 2077 title will be "a true RPG game," says studio co-founder Marcin Iwinski. In fact, Iwinski hints, an open world style game is more Cyberpunk 2077's style, but there are a lot of things about the game that he can't talk about yet.

"We are known for storytelling, and big game worlds," says Iwinski, "and so we're taking all what we've learnt from previous three Witcher games, as well as the open-world aspect, and applying it to Cyberpunk 2077." CD Projekt has already said it's doing all it can to add authenticity, and an open world with that kind of detail is something to dream dystopian nightmares about.

Previously the studio said that the game will incorporate multiplayer features, but didn't elaborate. Maybe this is Iwinski's way of taking PvP off the table; but we'll find out at launch, and no, before you ask, we still haven't a date.

Source: IGN

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You misstyped the name in the title by the way, just pointing that out.

OT: I'm really glad to hear this. Although I am not that accustomed to the universe (haven't played the tabletop), I am very interested to see how CDPR will handle a sci fi RPG and the fact that they've stated it's going to be a full RPG experience then how can I say no to that.

I've already was going to buy it when they announced it anyway.

Captcha: thumbs up.

Pretty sure the release date is 2077.

Anyway, I'm certainly looking forward to this game. Deus Ex: HR disappointed me a little (is it much better on PC?), so I'm hoping CP can quench my thirst for a little future RPG action.

Oh boy. A true RPG. As opposed to all those fake RPGs.

Let me just list all the features that RPG games have in common these days:

* A leveling system of some sort
* Probably items of some kind

And either of those two can be skipped if the rest of the game is good enough.

RPG is just such a meaningless term. If you're going to say your game is a True RPG step one is going to have to be defining what exactly you consider a True RPG to be.

Falterfire:

RPG is just such a meaningless term.

In my definition, a game isn't an RPG unless you can backstab your party members and loot their corpses.

I'd say a true CRPG has some important things a real PnP RPG has (though limited by technology)

- Character creation
- Some way of making your character better (xp, levels, or whatnot)
- Choices (since AI technology isn't good enough to simulate a GM)
- Possibly loot

Yes, that means that no JPRGs and very few ARPGs (that I know of) and not even the Witcher games are true CRPGs from my definition. From the way it's written, I'm guessing CD Projekt Red's definition is similar.

CardinalPiggles:
Pretty sure the release date is 2077.

Anyway, I'm certainly looking forward to this game. Deus Ex: HR disappointed me a little (is it much better on PC?), so I'm hoping CP can quench my thirst for a little future RPG action.

i'm not sure what you mean by better to be honest. technically it's the same game, just with different controls.

although i've just started playing the directors cut edition, and the changes to the boss fights are pretty awesome, along with a few other improvements.

i'm hoping this is like an old school rpg, as in you pick your specialties, and anything else you try to use is useless (put your points into shooting, so swinging a crowbar does next to no damage). either way, CD projekt have yet to disappoint

I don't know much about the game, but I know two things:

1. I love Deus Ex (the original).

2. I love CD project for using that image to market the game despite all the neo-femenism/Saarkesianism going on.

CrossLOPER:
2. I love CD project for using that image to market the game despite all the neo-femenism/Saarkesianism going on.

Not really a fan of that image to be honest. Sure, the arm things are creepy and all, but missing other context it's just sleezy. The aesthetic of the blood and the scythe/razor things are cool, but then to just have the character wearing underwear with legs spread makes it look more like it's already the Rule 34 version rather than the serious one.

It's just feels like they decided midway through to do 'look how sexy our game is' instead of 'look at the cool cyperpunk atmosphere'.

Fine with me, as long as they don't confuse "being an RPG" with "having awful gunplay", and don't use the former as excuse for the latter.

...Well, welcome to my "Maybe List" (2014->2015), Cyberpunk 2077.
You truly are in rare company.

Lets see if your talents match your ambition.

suitepee7:

CardinalPiggles:
Pretty sure the release date is 2077.

Anyway, I'm certainly looking forward to this game. Deus Ex: HR disappointed me a little (is it much better on PC?), so I'm hoping CP can quench my thirst for a little future RPG action.

i'm not sure what you mean by better to be honest. technically it's the same game, just with different controls.

although i've just started playing the directors cut edition, and the changes to the boss fights are pretty awesome, along with a few other improvements.

i'm hoping this is like an old school rpg, as in you pick your specialties, and anything else you try to use is useless (put your points into shooting, so swinging a crowbar does next to no damage). either way, CD projekt have yet to disappoint

Well controls are sometimes much better on either controller or M+K (subjectively obviously, but generally better for most people). The console version I played seemed to have some performance issues. It felt like there was a little input lag and the framerate didn't feel comfortable. I'm wondering if this is an inherent problem with the game or just the console version.

Okay, this is probably going to be a stupid question, but what do they mean by "a true RPG"? That sounds kind of...vague. Do they mean it's going to be turn-based combat with a 3rd person isometric view? Will it be single player with specifically defined character classes and feature a party system? Is its stat/skill system going to follow the traditional layout? Is it going to have an alignment system?

I don't mean to hose all over a game that, at least in concept, sounds like it has a lot of promise and appeal. It's just that this statement sounds like something that doesn't tell us anything about the game and was made just to try and stir up hardcore RPG players.

Falterfire:

CrossLOPER:
2. I love CD project for using that image to market the game despite all the neo-femenism/Saarkesianism going on.

Not really a fan of that image to be honest. Sure, the arm things are creepy and all, but missing other context it's just sleezy. The aesthetic of the blood and the scythe/razor things are cool, but then to just have the character wearing underwear with legs spread makes it look more like it's already the Rule 34 version rather than the serious one.

It's just feels like they decided midway through to do 'look how sexy our game is' instead of 'look at the cool cyperpunk atmosphere'.

Well, CD Projekt, with their Witcher games, has a tradition with understanding "mature" in both the mature and the immature way at the same time. I hope they eventually settle for the former though; we already got plenty of games that fulfill sexual fantasies as well as those that fulfil indulgent wish-fulfilment power fantasies.

Atmos Duality:
...Well, welcome to my "Maybe List" (2014), Cyberpunk 2077.
You truly are in rare company.

Lets see if your talents match your ambition.

Actually Cyberpunk is likely not before 2015.

iniudan:

Actually Cyberpunk is likely not before 2015.

Figures.
Alright...Considering how there's practically nothing else on my list, I'll extend it to 2014+2015.

Falterfire:

CrossLOPER:
2. I love CD project for using that image to market the game despite all the neo-femenism/Saarkesianism going on.

Not really a fan of that image to be honest. Sure, the arm things are creepy and all, but missing other context it's just sleezy. The aesthetic of the blood and the scythe/razor things are cool, but then to just have the character wearing underwear with legs spread makes it look more like it's already the Rule 34 version rather than the serious one.

It's just feels like they decided midway through to do 'look how sexy our game is' instead of 'look at the cool cyperpunk atmosphere'.

Yeah, RED has a bit of a problem with it. They want to show tits during the sex scenes? Fine. I don't want every single female character to be a DD with a low cut top and I ESPECIALLY don't want to see that when it's on an elf that gets hanged, and her corpse left there, tits still on display. NO THANK YOU!

erttheking:
and I ESPECIALLY don't want to see that when it's on an elf that gets hanged, and her corpse left there, tits still on display. NO THANK YOU!

O.o

Is that actually a thing? Because that's more than a bit disturbing, even if it was just the end result of poor planning.

Falterfire:

erttheking:
and I ESPECIALLY don't want to see that when it's on an elf that gets hanged, and her corpse left there, tits still on display. NO THANK YOU!

O.o

Is that actually a thing? Because that's more than a bit disturbing, even if it was just the end result of poor planning.

It is indeed. First level after the prologue in the Witcher 2, the MC stumbles onto a bunch of non-humans about to be hanged, a friend of his among them. He tires to stop them, but a few of them get hung before he can, including a scantily clad elf. If you go back later, her corpse is STILL THERE! Sadly, (or not) I can't find a picture of it. I mean, I like RED (What they represent, I'm kinda meh on the Witcher games) but they need to ease up on the sex. Seriously. Sex scenes? Fine, but a little restraint would be welcome.

Knowing Witcher 2, it could simply be that they used a generic character model, because clothing like that on a woman is pretty standard in this game, but it does show why constantly having low cut tops and huge tits on every woman in a game as dark as the Witcher 2 can not work out.

EDIT: Found an image. You can see her in the back...lovely ain't it.

http://www.vgfaq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witcher-2-Assassins-of-Kings-Enhanced-Edition-Walkthrough-By-the-Gods-%E2%80%93-Stringing-Up-Sods-Quest.jpg

erttheking:

Falterfire:

erttheking:
and I ESPECIALLY don't want to see that when it's on an elf that gets hanged, and her corpse left there, tits still on display. NO THANK YOU!

O.o

Is that actually a thing? Because that's more than a bit disturbing, even if it was just the end result of poor planning.

It is indeed. First level after the prologue in the Witcher 2, the MC stumbles onto a bunch of non-humans about to be hanged, a friend of his among them. He tires to stop them, but a few of them get hung before he can, including a scantily clad elf. If you go back later, her corpse is STILL THERE! Sadly, (or not) I can't find a picture of it. I mean, I like RED (What they represent, I'm kinda meh on the Witcher games) but they need to ease up on the sex. Seriously. Sex scenes? Fine, but a little restraint would be welcome.

Knowing Witcher 2, it could simply be that they used a generic character model, because clothing like that on a woman is pretty standard in this game, but it does show why constantly having low cut tops and huge tits on every woman in a game as dark as the Witcher 2 can not work out.

EDIT: Found an image. You can see her in the back...lovely ain't it.

http://www.vgfaq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witcher-2-Assassins-of-Kings-Enhanced-Edition-Walkthrough-By-the-Gods-%E2%80%93-Stringing-Up-Sods-Quest.jpg

If it makes you feel any better, she was probably assaulted in lock-up and wasn't really thinking about her dignity when she was hauled off for execution, and the thief that was hanged was still hanging there, too. It was not unusual in older civilizations for bodies to be left around to remind the local populace who was in charge.

In addition, most of the men in that village were not wearing any trousers and the women were more or less dignified with what they wore. Unless you are talking about the whores. The whores were dressed like whores.

I'm open to listening to this mans spiel whenever he gets around to defining what "true RPG" means.

Because, quite frankly, it just sounds like PR buzz-wording designed to get fanboys excited.

CrossLOPER:

erttheking:

Falterfire:

O.o

Is that actually a thing? Because that's more than a bit disturbing, even if it was just the end result of poor planning.

It is indeed. First level after the prologue in the Witcher 2, the MC stumbles onto a bunch of non-humans about to be hanged, a friend of his among them. He tires to stop them, but a few of them get hung before he can, including a scantily clad elf. If you go back later, her corpse is STILL THERE! Sadly, (or not) I can't find a picture of it. I mean, I like RED (What they represent, I'm kinda meh on the Witcher games) but they need to ease up on the sex. Seriously. Sex scenes? Fine, but a little restraint would be welcome.

Knowing Witcher 2, it could simply be that they used a generic character model, because clothing like that on a woman is pretty standard in this game, but it does show why constantly having low cut tops and huge tits on every woman in a game as dark as the Witcher 2 can not work out.

EDIT: Found an image. You can see her in the back...lovely ain't it.

http://www.vgfaq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witcher-2-Assassins-of-Kings-Enhanced-Edition-Walkthrough-By-the-Gods-%E2%80%93-Stringing-Up-Sods-Quest.jpg

If it makes you feel any better, she was probably assaulted in lock-up and wasn't really thinking about her dignity when she was hauled off for execution, and the thief that was hanged was still hanging there, too. It was not unusual in older civilizations for bodies to be left around to remind the local populace who was in charge.

In addition, most of the men in that village were not wearing any trousers and the women were more or less dignified with what they wore. Unless you are talking about the whores. The whores were dressed like whores.

...That's the opposite of me feeling better. Well, I suppose there's points for realistic there, but it looks less like her clothes were torn and the guards didn't care, half of the women in witcher games just wear clothes that are that low cut. And I get the leaving them up thing, but when I see a corpse hanging from a rope, I still get uncomfortable when I see tits like that. I mean, the thief didn't have his dick out or his pants down. Could just be personal preference. I like sex and I like violence, but I like the two far away from each other.

Yeah. But there's dignified with what you do, and then there's just having every woman having a huge best and showing it off, even if it doesn't make sense for their position.

That all sounds great but.. actually, no but. I am so eagerly anticipating this game!

Falterfire:

Not really a fan of that image to be honest. Sure, the arm things are creepy and all, but missing other context it's just sleezy. The aesthetic of the blood and the scythe/razor things are cool, but then to just have the character wearing underwear with legs spread makes it look more like it's already the Rule 34 version rather than the serious one.

It's just feels like they decided midway through to do 'look how sexy our game is' instead of 'look at the cool cyperpunk atmosphere'.

Not to defend the image, but it's actually pretty par for the course for the old "Cyberpunk 2020" edition of the tabletop game. Just google images of the covers of the Cyberpunk "Chromebooks" for starters.

This makes me laugh.
Has the genera really fallen so low that "true RPG" creates hype?

While I have respect for RED and their development views, I don't think they will be able to create a good RPG. (I know Witcher IPs is popular, but I dont consider that a good RPG)

"We are known for storytelling, and big game worlds,"
Oh you mean that linear, un-interactive, repetitive "world" in Witcher 2? I highly doubt it. (by repetitive I mean your always going back though points and passages excessively multiple times).
-I know Witcher 3 is going to have open world, but I won't judge until it comes out.

As for story, while it is subjective, but I found it plainly boring and unoriginal, just full of sex and foul languages; it kinda losses the point its trying to make (at least, I hope there was a point).

also, maybe the combat will include more rolling and checklists!

I'll take a look to see what its like, but I don't think its going to be anything special, let alone a "true RPG". Not to mention, everyone has a different idea and expectations for a "true RPG" so If anything, I feel this marketing ploy will only hurt them in the long run.

at least one game im more interested in then the witcher games. prefer more futuristic stuff then this stereotypical middle ages with witches, monster, etc.

Unlike many other titles where each bit of news only serves to make me sadder and less excited and more worried about a game (Hitman: Absolution, Thief 4), every bit of news about this game only makes me more and more excited. I have no idea about the particular setting/ruleset (though I had a brief readup on a web site a while ago), but cyberpunk setting + RPG = insta-sale + orgasm. The fact that it's from a company with a great track record and a gamer/consumer-focussed attitude only makes me want it more.

This is one I'll pre-order, play on Day 1 with every bell and whistle. The last game I was this excited about....hmmmm. Can't think of one :-( Maybe Skyrim.

Yeah I'm with the other guys who said something similar to what I'm about to say but can't be bothered to remember their names/quote them.

What the heck does "True RPG" mean? Is it turn-based or real-time? Do we command a party or just one guy? Is it an open world or is it relatively linear? Top-down? First-person? What does it mean?

RPG is such a broad genre that even I don't know what it means to be a "true RPG" and it's my favorite genre goddammit. Is it focused on character development? Choices? Strategic gameplay? Plot?

This is making my brain hurt. I haven't played Witcher, so I don't know what to expect, but this just makes my opinion all the more ambiguous.

erttheking:

CrossLOPER:

erttheking:

It is indeed. First level after the prologue in the Witcher 2, the MC stumbles onto a bunch of non-humans about to be hanged, a friend of his among them. He tires to stop them, but a few of them get hung before he can, including a scantily clad elf. If you go back later, her corpse is STILL THERE! Sadly, (or not) I can't find a picture of it. I mean, I like RED (What they represent, I'm kinda meh on the Witcher games) but they need to ease up on the sex. Seriously. Sex scenes? Fine, but a little restraint would be welcome.

Knowing Witcher 2, it could simply be that they used a generic character model, because clothing like that on a woman is pretty standard in this game, but it does show why constantly having low cut tops and huge tits on every woman in a game as dark as the Witcher 2 can not work out.

EDIT: Found an image. You can see her in the back...lovely ain't it.

http://www.vgfaq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Witcher-2-Assassins-of-Kings-Enhanced-Edition-Walkthrough-By-the-Gods-%E2%80%93-Stringing-Up-Sods-Quest.jpg

If it makes you feel any better, she was probably assaulted in lock-up and wasn't really thinking about her dignity when she was hauled off for execution, and the thief that was hanged was still hanging there, too. It was not unusual in older civilizations for bodies to be left around to remind the local populace who was in charge.

In addition, most of the men in that village were not wearing any trousers and the women were more or less dignified with what they wore. Unless you are talking about the whores. The whores were dressed like whores.

...That's the opposite of me feeling better. Well, I suppose there's points for realistic there, but it looks less like her clothes were torn and the guards didn't care, half of the women in witcher games just wear clothes that are that low cut. And I get the leaving them up thing, but when I see a corpse hanging from a rope, I still get uncomfortable when I see tits like that. I mean, the thief didn't have his dick out or his pants down. Could just be personal preference. I like sex and I like violence, but I like the two far away from each other.

Yeah. But there's dignified with what you do, and then there's just having every woman having a huge best and showing it off, even if it doesn't make sense for their position.

Well maybe they're not raised in an environment where sexuality is something to be ashamed of and they just like showing off their breasts. Have you ever thought of that?

Look I agree that the breastage is a little over the top in the Witcher games, but I find it equaled out by the fact that the women who show off tend to be able to shoot massive bolts of lightning out of their fingertips.

I also think you are reading way too much into the hanging scene.

MinionJoe:

Falterfire:

RPG is just such a meaningless term.

In my definition, a game isn't an RPG unless you can backstab your party members and loot their corpses.

No, its only a true RPG when you can say screw all the choices and split the party, go off the map and give the DM a brain aneurysm from having to come up with new material on the fly while burning his original campaign notes because you killed off the most important NPC for "loot".

CrossLOPER:

erttheking:

CrossLOPER:

If it makes you feel any better, she was probably assaulted in lock-up and wasn't really thinking about her dignity when she was hauled off for execution, and the thief that was hanged was still hanging there, too. It was not unusual in older civilizations for bodies to be left around to remind the local populace who was in charge.

In addition, most of the men in that village were not wearing any trousers and the women were more or less dignified with what they wore. Unless you are talking about the whores. The whores were dressed like whores.

...That's the opposite of me feeling better. Well, I suppose there's points for realistic there, but it looks less like her clothes were torn and the guards didn't care, half of the women in witcher games just wear clothes that are that low cut. And I get the leaving them up thing, but when I see a corpse hanging from a rope, I still get uncomfortable when I see tits like that. I mean, the thief didn't have his dick out or his pants down. Could just be personal preference. I like sex and I like violence, but I like the two far away from each other.

Yeah. But there's dignified with what you do, and then there's just having every woman having a huge best and showing it off, even if it doesn't make sense for their position.

Well maybe they're not raised in an environment where sexuality is something to be ashamed of and they just like showing off their breasts. Have you ever thought of that?

Look I agree that the breastage is a little over the top in the Witcher games, but I find it equaled out by the fact that the women who show off tend to be able to shoot massive bolts of lightning out of their fingertips.

I also think you are reading way too much into the hanging scene.

From what I know about the Witcher world, somehow I doubt that this world applies. Also, that doesn't explain why every one of them is a double D. This is more of a nitpick than anything, but it REALLY bugs me.

It's not that I have a problem with sexy women or seeing tits, the problem I always have with this is that it breaks the immersion. I mean it's hard to get emotionally invested in the world of the Witcher and how Gerald needs to clear his name when you can't find more than a few women that are actually trying to cover up their cleavage. It's especially bad when you've got people like Ves, who is supposed to be the middle age world equivalent of special forces yet she's got a low cut top that shows off cleavage. It just gets obnoxious, not saying that the Witcher is a bad game but that is freaking ANNOYING.

Oh I'm not reading anything into it. It just bugs me is all. Heck, I flat out said that they probably just used a generic character model.

True RPG as in... you make and control with lots of choice your own character(or at least the illusion of it) or turn based combat rather than an ARPG or both?

I probably shouldn't admit this because its an overreaction but I'm really in mood for some cyberpunk rpg goodness but everytime that picture just completely crushes my enthusiasm for it.

This could be cool. But I really have a problem with with stories dating themselves. I understand the temptation to tell the audience exactly where it is in time - especially since so many stories have been doing it for so long. The problem is that the date gives the story the a possibly unattainable expectation, and a certainly unnecessary burden that neither adds to the story, nor is even necessary to convey the story's message. The box has two ways already to tell us it's future without us ever seeing a date.

Blade Runner is a prime example. In the title crawl, it begins, "In the early 21st century...". Once the crawl is over there is a title card "Los Angeles November 2019" immediately preceding the now famous shot of future L.A. with fire billowing from giant towers at night before the approach to the Tyrell building. That's just five years from now. We won't have androids, or flying cars, or off-world colonies, so the expectation is unattainable and the burden is unnecessary. We already had the near future set up; we didn't need an exact time to awkwardly date the story or even the more general "early" in "early 21st century".

A story should be dated realistically only if it is occurring in the past. Star Trek works perfectly with its dates because they are "star dates" of only arbitrary meaning. The point is we know the events are happening in the future. It's not so bad if the story is very much grounded in reality and the world building can be counted on to fit the date. Otherwise it is a practice best avoided.

Imagine if this game is a mega hit or if it is adoringly embraced by a loyal cult or niche audience played for decades to come, and 2077 roles around. We'll be wondering where all the girls in shiny underwear with giant can-openers in there arms are.

erttheking:

CrossLOPER:

erttheking:

...That's the opposite of me feeling better. Well, I suppose there's points for realistic there, but it looks less like her clothes were torn and the guards didn't care, half of the women in witcher games just wear clothes that are that low cut. And I get the leaving them up thing, but when I see a corpse hanging from a rope, I still get uncomfortable when I see tits like that. I mean, the thief didn't have his dick out or his pants down. Could just be personal preference. I like sex and I like violence, but I like the two far away from each other.

Yeah. But there's dignified with what you do, and then there's just having every woman having a huge best and showing it off, even if it doesn't make sense for their position.

Well maybe they're not raised in an environment where sexuality is something to be ashamed of and they just like showing off their breasts. Have you ever thought of that?

Look I agree that the breastage is a little over the top in the Witcher games, but I find it equaled out by the fact that the women who show off tend to be able to shoot massive bolts of lightning out of their fingertips.

I also think you are reading way too much into the hanging scene.

From what I know about the Witcher world, somehow I doubt that this world applies. Also, that doesn't explain why every one of them is a double D. This is more of a nitpick than anything, but it REALLY bugs me.

It's not that I have a problem with sexy women or seeing tits, the problem I always have with this is that it breaks the immersion. I mean it's hard to get emotionally invested in the world of the Witcher and how Gerald needs to clear his name when you can't find more than a few women that are actually trying to cover up their cleavage. It's especially bad when you've got people like Ves, who is supposed to be the middle age world equivalent of special forces yet she's got a low cut top that shows off cleavage. It just gets obnoxious, not saying that the Witcher is a bad game but that is freaking ANNOYING.

Oh I'm not reading anything into it. It just bugs me is all. Heck, I flat out said that they probably just used a generic character model.

You have clearly never been to a Renaissance Fair.

I'm not familiar with the franchise... But it's CDPR, so I am very excited for this game. I love sci-fi, so I'm really looking forward to it.

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