Nintendo Denies Reports of Smartphone "Minigame" Development Plans

Nintendo Denies Reports of Smartphone "Minigame" Development Plans

Stand down, fanboys and girls. Nintendo is not getting into the smartphone game business.

Contrary to what you may have read in the last day or so, Nintendo says they are not designing games for smartphones. The console-maker released a statement denying yesterday's Nikkei report claiming the big N would make smartphone "minigames" to attract mobile gamers to their hardware.

"Nikkei's article contains information previously stated by Mr Iwata during past press conferences, including statements which relate to Nintendo's willingness to make use of smart devices to promote our products," Nintendo told Engadget in a prepared statement. "However during such past announcements Mr Iwata has also stated that Nintendo's intention is not to make Nintendo software available on smart devices and as such, we can confirm that there are no plans to offer minigames on smartphone devices."

Investors, developers, gamers and pundits have all been waiting for Nintendo to announce some kind of major strategic shift to get their company back on track in light of their recently revealed financial woes. First there was a crazy rumor about a new "fusion" console. Based on Nintendo's statement, it sounds like this report is an attempt to predict what Nintendo's plan before they even know.

Its safe to say that Nintendo is going to do something that they hope will change their luck. Based on the company's history, though, I think its pretty clear that the only people who know what Nintendo is thinking are the people working there.

Source: Engadget

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Well that is kinda sad to hear. I'm sure having minigames would be a big boost, even if said games are just other games with a Nintendo skin. Let's hope whatever they are planning to do is just as good.

Hey Nintendo.
You want money from the mobile gaming public huh?
And you're still not releasing old GB/GBC/GBA games, letting the pirates run the retro-game sector?

So, in other words, we probably should take people who sprout rumors and predictions about a company they don't work for with a grain of salt? I never would have guessed! So I hope this means the internet as a whole has learned to stop being armchair CEO's when they don't understand anything about a company? Anyone? No? Darn...

Golden Sun on the Andriod Market/iOS folks. Think about it ;)

Seriously though, I think Nintendo would muck it up by pricing games on smartphones like Square Enix does.

MCerberus:
Hey Nintendo.
You want money from the mobile gaming public huh?
And you're still not releasing old GB/GBC/GBA games, letting the pirates run the retro-game sector?

Because as we all know, all Nintendo games are a perfect match for the touchscreen controls of a phone... Out of all the GB/GBC/GBA games, the only genre in which touchscreen would work would be RPGs (Japanese, collectible, and tactical) and puzzles. Platform Games (which is what most people want) don't work well with touchscreen controls unless they were specifically designed to work with touch screen controls. So, you're down to Advanced Wars, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem on smartphone devices. Add to the fact that Pokemon will never be on smartphones because you simply just don't put one of your biggest cash cows on another system, and you're left with two franchises. Yeah, I can totally see Nintendo making a ton of money off of smartphone games...

AzrealMaximillion:
Golden Sun on the Andriod Market/iOS folks. Think about it ;)

Seriously though, I think Nintendo would muck it up by pricing games on smartphones like Square Enix does.

Actually, thinking about it, it would be a better idea for a "Nintendo" app that allows for rom In-ap Purchasing. The issue, and probably the reason this hasn't been tried, is that nobody has thought of a way to go through the whole buy-to-download process without it being bandwidth-intensive. We're talking mobile band here, so it's best practices to not eat through your customers' data like Jabba at a hotdog eating contest.

Plus corporate is going to want strict controls against third-party roms.

xaszatm:

MCerberus:
Hey Nintendo.
You want money from the mobile gaming public huh?
And you're still not releasing old GB/GBC/GBA games, letting the pirates run the retro-game sector?

Because as we all know, all Nintendo games are a perfect match for the touchscreen controls of a phone... Out of all the GB/GBC/GBA games, the only genre in which touchscreen would work would be RPGs (Japanese, collectible, and tactical) and puzzles. Platform Games (which is what most people want) don't work well with touchscreen controls unless they were specifically designed to work with touch screen controls. So, you're down to Advanced Wars, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem on smartphone devices. Add to the fact that Pokemon will never be on smartphones because you simply just don't put one of your biggest cash cows on another system, and you're left with two franchises. Yeah, I can totally see Nintendo making a ton of money off of smartphone games...

Actually, the earlier GB models can be emulated pretty well with overlays. The GBA is the big issue with their shoulder buttons. Those get in the way... I mean I wouldn't know anything about that

MCerberus:

Actually, the earlier GB models can be emulated pretty well with overlays. The GBA is the big issue with their shoulder buttons. Those get in the way... I mean I wouldn't know anything about that

As someone who's dabbled with emulators, smartphones would be a terrible fit for older Nintendo games like SMB3. Even a simple D-pad and A/B button combo feels unresponsive and inaccurate when trying to make those harder jumps.

For better or worse, Nnitendo considers VirtualConsoel releases a draw for their hardware. When they announced it with the Wii, no-one else had put forward the idea of a complete library of previous generation games made available through virtual re-releases. They created that de to help sell the Wii, and they're going to stick with it going forward with their hardware. Putting out VC games on other hardware would, from their perspective, give one of their big draws to their competitors.

Anyways... interesting to see how this develops. I believe Nintendo denied it when Nikkei (or some other Japanese news firm) reported that they would be revealing a new model of 3DS... only to reveal the 3DS XL a few days later. Be interesting to see if this is the case here.

They shouldn't be making Mario Angry Birds, they should just be putting their regular games onto smartphone and tablet devices. They'd make a killing if they put their back catalog (Their entire back catalog: nes, snes, n64, gb, gba, nds, not the paltry scraps they decide to toss on the 3DS market) on the Play Store. I'd love Majora's Mask or Fire Emblem on my Galaxy.

Maybe if they did that they'd be comfortable to finally go third-party.

Mcoffey:
They shouldn't be making Mario Angry Birds, they should just be putting their regular games onto smartphone and tablet devices. They'd make a killing if they put their back catalog (Their entire back catalog: nes, snes, n64, gb, gba, nds, not the paltry scraps they decide to toss on the 3DS market) on the Play Store. I'd love Majora's Mask or Fire Emblem on my Galaxy.

No you wouldn't. Majora's Mask would control like absolute shite, with awkward N64 button overlays obscuring half the stuff that's happening on screen. And NDS wouldn't even be possible with even the largest smratphones having less screen real estate than the DS models.

TitusGroan:

Mcoffey:
They shouldn't be making Mario Angry Birds, they should just be putting their regular games onto smartphone and tablet devices. They'd make a killing if they put their back catalog (Their entire back catalog: nes, snes, n64, gb, gba, nds, not the paltry scraps they decide to toss on the 3DS market) on the Play Store. I'd love Majora's Mask or Fire Emblem on my Galaxy.

No you wouldn't. Majora's Mask would control like absolute shite, with awkward N64 button overlays obscuring half the stuff that's happening on screen. And NDS wouldn't even be possible with even the largest smratphones having less screen real estate than the DS models.

And that's why they'd have to optimize it. It can be done. I've played more button intensive games on my tablet just fine. And the resolution on the NDS is about the same as smart phone, maybe a little more. Totally doable. Especially so on a tablet.

Mcoffey:

And that's why they'd have to optimize it. It can be done. I've played more button intensive games on my tablet just fine. And the resolution on the NDS is about the same as smart phone, maybe a little more. Totally doable. Especially so on a tablet.

Getting this controller...

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...to translate onto a device with no actual buttons is not a matter of optimisation, it's damn near impossible. It's no just a matter of the number of buttons, but their layout. Trying to activate Z-targting in MM while rolling around, raising your shield and throwing out bombs just wouldn't work on an iPad or Galaxy tablet. If the buttons didn't kill the gameplay, the lack of an actual analogue stick for a game based in three-dimensional space would.

Try playing Mario 64 through an emulator on a tablet or smartphone, and let me know how you find it.

And NDS emulation isn't simply a matter of fitting two screens down onto one at native resolution. You then have to fit on top an overlay of a D-Pad, four button layout, and two triggers. It would be an absolute mess to look at, and games would be unplayable due to your fingers obscuring half the onscreen action.

There's things Nintendo can do with smartphones, but porting their back catalogue to them is not one.

Of course not all of it, but I've- I mean I suspect people have never had an issue with a large swath of their first-party games from the GB* era

Welp, this is the third Nintendo article in a row reported by Escapist which has been utter bullshit.

-So first it's "EA will no longer support the Wii U", which was proven to be false
-Then it's "Watch Dogs will no longer be on the Wii U", which once again, was proven to be false (and come on guys, the source for that was hardly reputable.
-Then finally it's "Nintendo are going to cave in and start giving games to their competitors".

Seriously, it's a bit much.

Just an FYI, the 3DS is making Nintendo enough money to cover for the losses of the Wii U, even if it didn't hit the sales projections. Why would they start trying to lose profits with that console?

And that's why they'd have to optimize it. It can be done. I've played more button intensive games on my tablet just fine. And the resolution on the NDS is about the same as smart phone, maybe a little more. Totally doable. Especially so on a tablet.

OR, instead of doing something so ridiculous, they could spend less time and money on simply putting the game on the 3DS so we can all play it with easy, familiar controls.

Dexterity:
Welp, this is the third Nintendo article in a row reported by Escapist which has been utter bullshit.

-So first it's "EA will no longer support the Wii U", which was proven to be false

Not to seem trite, but the current lack of EA games for the Wii U does sorta suggest otherwise...

Just an FYI, the 3DS is making Nintendo enough money to cover for the losses of the Wii U, even if it didn't hit the sales projections.

The fact that Nintendo have announced a $300 million loss for the last year would suggest that even strong 3DS sales can't cover the Wii U atm. That's a lot of money to be losing.

Mcoffey:
They shouldn't be making Mario Angry Birds, they should just be putting their regular games onto smartphone and tablet devices. They'd make a killing if they put their back catalog (Their entire back catalog: nes, snes, n64, gb, gba, nds, not the paltry scraps they decide to toss on the 3DS market) on the Play Store. I'd love Majora's Mask or Fire Emblem on my Galaxy.

Maybe if they did that they'd be comfortable to finally go third-party.

But they aren't wanting to go third party, what they are doing right now doesn't even equate to them even remotely shifting to third party.

Where's this definite third party decision coming from, you?, you want them to go third party I'm assuming since you've pointed out you own a Galaxy and no Nintendo handhelds at this current point in time.

If Nintendo throw their scraps to the mobiles then that's what the mobiles will probably get.

Remember Nintendo isn't about Mobiles and isn't going to pander to them anytime soon.

Dexterity:

And that's why they'd have to optimize it. It can be done. I've played more button intensive games on my tablet just fine. And the resolution on the NDS is about the same as smart phone, maybe a little more. Totally doable. Especially so on a tablet.

OR, instead of doing something so ridiculous, they could spend less time and money on simply putting the game on the 3DS so we can all play it with easy, familiar controls.

Exactly, that makes sense from a business and user point of view.

Shadow-Phoenix:

Mcoffey:
They shouldn't be making Mario Angry Birds, they should just be putting their regular games onto smartphone and tablet devices. They'd make a killing if they put their back catalog (Their entire back catalog: nes, snes, n64, gb, gba, nds, not the paltry scraps they decide to toss on the 3DS market) on the Play Store. I'd love Majora's Mask or Fire Emblem on my Galaxy.

Maybe if they did that they'd be comfortable to finally go third-party.

But they aren't wanting to go third party, what they are doing right now doesn't even equate to them even remotely shifting to third party.

Where's this definite third party decision coming from, you?, you want them to go third party I'm assuming since you've pointed out you own a Galaxy and no Nintendo handhelds at this current point in time.

If Nintendo throw their scraps to the mobiles then that's what the mobiles will probably get.

Remember Nintendo isn't about Mobiles and isn't going to pander to them anytime soon.

Dexterity:

And that's why they'd have to optimize it. It can be done. I've played more button intensive games on my tablet just fine. And the resolution on the NDS is about the same as smart phone, maybe a little more. Totally doable. Especially so on a tablet.

OR, instead of doing something so ridiculous, they could spend less time and money on simply putting the game on the 3DS so we can all play it with easy, familiar controls.

Exactly, that makes sense from a business and user point of view.

No I own a 3DS, but I'd much rather have those games I enjoy on a better system. And I'm not basing them going third party on anything; I'd just like them to. I'm not going to buy a WiiU, and judging by the sales numbers, I'm far from alone. I'd love to play Zelda or Metroid on the PS4, my PC, or my tablet. Maybe if Nintendo "pandered" a little more they'd be doing better business?

TitusGroan:

Mcoffey:

And that's why they'd have to optimize it. It can be done. I've played more button intensive games on my tablet just fine. And the resolution on the NDS is about the same as smart phone, maybe a little more. Totally doable. Especially so on a tablet.

Getting this controller...

image

...to translate onto a device with no actual buttons is not a matter of optimisation, it's damn near impossible. It's no just a matter of the number of buttons, but their layout. Trying to activate Z-targting in MM while rolling around, raising your shield and throwing out bombs just wouldn't work on an iPad or Galaxy tablet. If the buttons didn't kill the gameplay, the lack of an actual analogue stick for a game based in three-dimensional space would.

Try playing Mario 64 through an emulator on a tablet or smartphone, and let me know how you find it.

And NDS emulation isn't simply a matter of fitting two screens down onto one at native resolution. You then have to fit on top an overlay of a D-Pad, four button layout, and two triggers. It would be an absolute mess to look at, and games would be unplayable due to your fingers obscuring half the onscreen action.

There's things Nintendo can do with smartphones, but porting their back catalogue to them is not one.

N64 games translated easily enough to the gamecube, which can translate just fine to tablet. I've played games made for consoles on my tablet and they work just fine.
I've also played DS games on my tablet. They also worked fine, barring some emulation issues, which Nintendo could work out, again, just fine.

MCerberus:
[quote="AzrealMaximillion" post="7.840733.20664312"]Golden Sun on the Andriod Market/iOS folks. Think about it ;)

Seriously though, I think Nintendo would muck it up by pricing games on smartphones like Square Enix does.

Actually, thinking about it, it would be a better idea for a "Nintendo" app that allows for rom In-ap Purchasing. The issue, and probably the reason this hasn't been tried, is that nobody has thought of a way to go through the whole buy-to-download process without it being bandwidth-intensive. We're talking mobile band here, so it's best practices to not eat through your customers' data like Jabba at a hotdog eating contest.

Plus corporate is going to want strict controls against third-party roms.

A Nintendo app won't happen as long as "The App Store" exists. Apple would not let themselves get wrecked by Nintendo i the games department. Valve would have a better chance getting Apple to put all iOS games on a Steam app made for iPhone.

If Nintendo ever did put games out on smart phone, it shouldn't be a dumping ground for more Virtual Console games. They should make or greatly modify games that supplement 3DS and Wii U games, something that makes people think that those platforms have better games for them or their kids than this touchscreen centric garbage on ios and android. It would not be to directly make money even if it did turn a profit but to advertise their systems through addictive but short games. They could even give out games for free for people to see what is on their systems without any financial risk. Nintendo doesn't want to waste resources developing for a new system, and that's their decision. But, they better do something to get out of this slump, because Watch Dogs, Bayonetta 2, and even upcoming games of their own(besides Zelda, possibly) are not going to move systems the way they want.

Yeah, I think it's about time people just give up on Nintendo going 3rd party or putting their stuff on phones. It just doesn't make any sense nor is the possibility even there. There are only so many times you can keep beating the same drum before people get annoyed with it

Mcoffey:
I've played more button intensive games on my tablet just fine. And the resolution on the NDS is about the same as smart phone, maybe a little more. Totally doable. Especially so on a tablet.

interesting, i didnt knew NDS did full HD.
oh, wait, no they didnt. NDS resolution according to wikipedia was 256 192 My 2 year old model resolution is 854x480 - more than double that. new smarphones are coming out with Full HD screns. You are aware that smartphones are now beating consoles in their ability to play games right?

TitusGroan:
And NDS wouldn't even be possible with even the largest smratphones having less screen real estate than the DS models.

please tell me your joking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS#Technical_specifications

Strazdas:

Mcoffey:
I've played more button intensive games on my tablet just fine. And the resolution on the NDS is about the same as smart phone, maybe a little more. Totally doable. Especially so on a tablet.

interesting, i didnt knew NDS did full HD.
oh, wait, no they didnt. NDS resolution according to wikipedia was 256 192 My 2 year old model resolution is 854x480 - more than double that. new smarphones are coming out with Full HD screns. You are aware that smartphones are now beating consoles in their ability to play games right?

TitusGroan:
And NDS wouldn't even be possible with even the largest smratphones having less screen real estate than the DS models.

please tell me your joking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS#Technical_specifications

I mispoke, excuse me. When I said resolution, I meant size. Many smart phones and most tablets have as much screen real estate, if not more, to work with than the DS, giving you plenty of space for emulated buttons.

Mcoffey:
I mispoke, excuse me. When I said resolution, I meant size. Many smart phones and most tablets have as much screen real estate, if not more, to work with than the DS, giving you plenty of space for emulated buttons.

No problem :)
You may be onto somthing with real estate, but unlikely. While my (smartphone) model has larger screen than the DS had, admittedly it is one of the "larger" ones in the use now. However i see no problem with them fitting buttons without covering the whole game. now to fit them in position that is ergonomic to use without covering the part you are supposed to watch and making correct haptic feedback to get the feel of "pressing buttons", now that will be the main challenge for them i guess.

Strazdas:

Mcoffey:
I mispoke, excuse me. When I said resolution, I meant size. Many smart phones and most tablets have as much screen real estate, if not more, to work with than the DS, giving you plenty of space for emulated buttons.

No problem :)
You may be onto somthing with real estate, but unlikely. While my (smartphone) model has larger screen than the DS had, admittedly it is one of the "larger" ones in the use now. However i see no problem with them fitting buttons without covering the whole game. now to fit them in position that is ergonomic to use without covering the part you are supposed to watch and making correct haptic feedback to get the feel of "pressing buttons", now that will be the main challenge for them i guess.

It will almost certainly be a challenge, but one I feel Nintendo is more than up to. The problem with DS games on smartphones and tablets now is that, due to the nature of emulators, they're forced to maintain the same button layout and mechanics of the originals (Although you can adjust the emulated button size and location, which is helpful, but not always a solution). If Nintendo really went into a port with smart phone and tablet touch screens in mind, I have no doubt they could find an even more ideal solution for that predicament.

had they decided to go mini games on smart devices or even on ipods, my thoughts would have been to put the mini-games from the Mario Party series on them, or heck, even mini versions of Mario Party

 

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