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Lightning Could Appear in Future Final Fantasy's

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Lightning Returns director Motomu Toriyama says that there's a "possibility that Lightning would appear" in future Final Fantasy games.

While we're sure that the company has many favorite characters from its various games, it might not be a stretch to say that Square Enix has a bit of a thing for Lightning. The main protagonist of Final Fantasy XIII, she was just recently given a starring a role in the final game of the XIII trilogy: Lightning Returns. As if that wasn't enough time in the sun however, the company has recently revealed that Lightning could make appearances in future Final Fantasy's as well.

"For Lightning, her story ends here in Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, as this game is meant as a finale to this series. But we know that Lightning is an extremely popular character, even when compared to other Final Fantasy characters," said Lightning Returns director Motomu Toriyama. "So there is a possibility that Lightning would appear in other future Final Fantasy titles, not as a protagonist, but as a guest character."

The question, of course, is exactly what "guest character" will mean. For instance, if Toriyama simply means that the character will be making subtle cameos in future games then that's something we can get down with. In fact, it'd be more than a little cool for the company to do that with other characters from the franchise's extensive library. That said, if he means that there will be some forced in sequence where Lightning inexplicably appears and saves day or something, we'd really rather pass on that. It's not that seeing Lighting in action isn't cool and all, it's just that she's had her time. Recognizable and profitable as she may be, we're ready for something different from Final Fantasy.

Source: Siliconera

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Goddammit...she really is Toriyama's waifu at this stage isn't she?

I'll honestly never understand the love that Japan has for Lightning to be honest. I mean, as long as Lightning is just one of those optional side characters like how the Tactics games did for characters like Balthier and Cloud. If she ends up somehow becoming a main important character then I will be upset because one of the things I liked about Final Fantasy was that there generally aren't returning characters between the different numbered installments unless it is a cameo (Cid and Gilgamesh notwithstanding).

One thing that we probably can guarantee from this though that Lightning is probably gonna be in Kingdom Hearts 3...

anthony87:
Goddammit...she really is Toriyama's waifu at this stage isn't she?

Is it Toriyama who has the supposed shrine to Lightning in his office, or was that someone else?

I'm quite fond of but a little burned out of Lightning. She's definitely a cool character but her emotional grind is absolutely exhausting. It might be neat to see her pop in other games in the series a la Biggs and Wedge or Gilgamesh, though.

I found her to be thoroughly unlikeable and just plain boring.

Maybe Lightning loses a lot in the translation to English, but she was my 2nd-least liked character from XIII, right above that whiny little boy whose name I can't be bothered to remember. Heck, I've even ignored the rest of the XIII line because I was informed she would feature prominently in the rest of its arc.

She should have stayed the strong mostly silent type who just looks really good compared to the whiny little jerk who's the lead for the game. She doesn't have the range to lead her own game.

So Japan just turned her into another dressup doll. Problem solved! But it doesn't carry a game. Fine for cameos, I guess.

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Stop it, Toriyama! Just STOP!

It's bad enough we wasted an ENTIRE console generation on Final Fantasy 13 and Lightning and their horribly lackluster games.

Even if it was a character I LIKED, like Vivi or Auron or Rydia or Locke, if you just shoved those characters in our face for nearly a decade, and refused to move on, I'd grow to hate them. But it only sucks more since Lightning was NEVER a good character from the start.

Given all the seriously creepy quotes he's claimed about her, from how she's the perfect woman, how she's the "first" strong female protagonist, how she's an "icon" of Japanese gaming, how she's the "face" of Square Enix, how she's "extremely popular" (despite her newest game being outsold in Japan by a port of the 13 year old Final Fantasy X and the brand new IP of Bravely Default), how he's printed off a giant picture of her that hangs over the whole office with statements like "it's like she's there supporting us" and "she must never be forgotten", on and on and on... he's delusional.

The fact this idiot is the same hack who utterly butchered the Parasite Eve franchise, and is one of the key members on the "Final Fantasy Quality Assurance Team" (I'm sure his standards are VERY high...), only fills my fangirl heart with rage and loathing.

Lightning is a bad character, from a bad game series, who had THREE whole games dedicated to making players care about her and it failed THREE separate times. Not even CLOUD got his own follow-up game.

If I never see Lightning again, it'll be too soon. I'm sure she'll pop up in Kingdom Hearts 3. She's already popped up in Final Fantasy 14. If she shows up in Final Fantasy 15, I'd probably self-implode.

Just baffling. Why? WHY is she still around? And don't give me the "Japanese audience loves her". No they don't. Again, sales of her games have plummeted release after release to the point that they're utterly laughable (Dirge of Cerberus sold better than Lightning Returns did at launch).

Nomura, it's all on you. Final Fantasy 15 better be a home run. Just be sure to file a restraining order against Motomu Toriyama. He shouldn't be allowed within 100 meters of the game.

Trishbot:
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Stop it, Toriyama! Just STOP!

It's bad enough we wasted an ENTIRE console generation on Final Fantasy 13 and Lightning and their horribly lackluster games.

Even if it was a character I LIKED, like Vivi or Auron or Rydia or Locke, if you just shoved those characters in our face for nearly a decade, and refused to move on, I'd grow to hate them. But it only sucks more since Lightning was NEVER a good character from the start. SNIP

Pretty much this. Though I will add that Square's current troubles largely do stem from the departure of Sakaguchi. I mean, that man was a true artist, and despite some missteps along the way, he knew how to make lovable characters. The current SquareEnix simply apes Sakaguchi mindlessly, without understanding even the slightest concepts of what made his games great.

Believe me my escapist brothers ans sisters, as much as it might hurt, it may be time for a divorce from SquareEnix. It really is all for the best.

Which Toriyama is this, anyway? Not the same one of DBZ/DQ art fame, is it?

Uratoh:
Which Toriyama is this, anyway? Not the same one of DBZ/DQ art fame, is it?

No, that's Akira Toriyama, this is a completely different person. Toriyama is a fairly common last name in Japanese like Yamada or Tokugawa but I can see how some people might get confused. Whenever Akira Toriyama does a game you can tell because the art style of the game will reflect it because he generally designs the characters and enemies.

Rule 63 Cloud is NOT someone I want having a cameo in future games.

Then, again, I doubt it matters.

FF is dead to me.
Love live Atlus.

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Because I had to add another one to this thread.

Unless they are making her a skin swap DLC or something, I just don't understand why they really want to bring back a character that represents a constant dumping on the franchise. Seriously, just let this thing, that pretends it's a character, die already!

It used to be a reset every game, now they seem invested in making sequels for utter garbage. I swear, Square is just taking the piss right now. Ever since they lost the talent that created Mistwalker, they don't know their arses from their elbows. I wouldn't even care that much, except Mistwalker hasn't done much either.

Tanis:
Rule 63 Cloud is NOT someone I want having a cameo in future games.

Then, again, I doubt it matters.

FF is dead to me.
Love live Atlus.

Amen brother! Does anyone even like this travesty of a "character?"

Can we NOT do that please. I liked FFXIII, I was ambivalent about XIII-2, Lightning's return was pants. Can we please just stop with lightning.
Don't get me wrong I like lightning as a character. I often feel that people who didn't like her character barely played FFXIII and as a result completely missed the point of her character, or just have weird taste, but enough is enough.

Don't worry guys, he's just talking about the meteorological phenomenon.

Lightning has no personality and I wish that she would stop getting forced down our throats. The only reason she's even popular is because SE told everyone that she's popular. >>

Haven't you had enough of ruining Square Enix and Final Fantasy Toriyama?

YOUR MIND ISN'T REALITY.

Trishbot:

Stop it, Toriyama! Just STOP!

Given all the seriously creepy quotes he's claimed about her, from how she's the perfect woman, how she's the "first" strong female protagonist, how she's an "icon" of Japanese gaming, how she's the "face" of Square Enix, how she's "extremely popular" (despite her newest game being outsold in Japan by a port of the 13 year old Final Fantasy X and the brand new IP of Bravely Default), how he's printed off a giant picture of her that hangs over the whole office with statements like "it's like she's there supporting us" and "she must never be forgotten", on and on and on... he's delusional.

The fact this idiot is the same hack who utterly butchered the Parasite Eve franchise, and is one of the key members on the "Final Fantasy Quality Assurance Team" (I'm sure his standards are VERY high...), only fills my fangirl heart with rage and loathing.

Perhaps there's something that gets lost in translation when the FF13 series goes west; because even when trying to give the Lightning Returns demo the benefit of the doubt, her VA really is as flat as a pancake and on top of that the script seems awkward and hollow at best. For that matter, most of the English voice cast seem to have ceased giving a f*ck (if they ever did in the first place).

From what I've heard, the FF13 series has supposedly been sustained by resilient popularity in Japan; so maybe some proper voice-work can genuinely help somewhat with the lifting for the story & characters, which appear sterile and suffer for execution, though some plot elements have potential conceptually.

Though if the stuff like this that goes around is anything to go by:

http://www.p4rgaming.com/motomu-toriyama-frustrated-by-girlfriend-refusing-to-dress-up-as-lightning-for-the-third-time/

Then maybe there is some delusion going on.

StewShearer:
While we're sure that the company has many favorite characters from its various games, it might not be a stretch to say that Square Enix has a bit of a thing for Lightning.

Ohhh, no, no. Square Enix doesn't have a thing for Lightning. Fucking Toriyama does. His adoration for Lightning has reached critical mass and at this point is both pathetic and creepy.

The ONLY reason I'm remotely interested in FFXV is that Toriyama doesn't have a hand in it. Having Nomura direct it is one of the smartest things Square has done in recent memory.

Does Toriyama really that big of a crush on Lightning? Or is that just an exaggeration people like to make?

If the whole thing between him and Lightning is true then I kinda worry about Square Enix's future. Major business decisions being made by a man who worships a fictional character. That would be one for the history books.

Anyway, personally, I thought FFXIII was okay for what it was. Although it definitely didn't need a sequel and it's kinda clear that the majority of the people who played the game absolutely despised it. So why even bother trying to make games that relatively few people actually want?

To be fair, the piece I linked was from a site that deals largely in satire. I don't know what the deal really is either.

Sidmen:
Maybe Lightning loses a lot in the translation to English, but she was my 2nd-least liked character from XIII, right above that whiny little boy whose name I can't be bothered to remember. Heck, I've even ignored the rest of the XIII line because I was informed she would feature prominently in the rest of its arc.

How do you forget Hope's name, he's used as the games main metaphor and they non-ironically use the word hope around Hope every 10 fucking sentences. Dude I think your brain's trying to hide trauma.

Also, who are these people that are asking for more FFXIII and more Lightning. Final Fantasy XIII sold >1,000,000 units, Final Fantasy XIII-2 sold 524,000 copies and Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII sold 277,000 units in their respective first weeks in Japan. Each game sold half of the previous title, even people in Japan seem to be sick of this crap. Let 13 and Lightning die already, God.

I'm sorry, that was uncharacteristically mean of me. It's just been a while since I played a decent game from my favourite JRPG franchise and well, ever since I started playing JRPGs, I felt that Yoshinori Kitase and Motomu Toriyama were just hacks who were lucky enough to be allowed to make games, over talented people like Hiroyuki Ito, Hiroshi Minagawa, Tetsuya Nomura and Takashi Tokita.

What ever happened to Takashi Tokita?

And where is Penelo's game!?

Lightning though is too grumpy as a main for me. (Only played 13)
Fang seemed a more interesting character in the game out of the party.

The only character I find vaguely welcome in Lightning Returns is Lumina, and that's basically coz she seems to like trolling everyone. If they dialled that up, I wouldn't mind seeing more of her.

Just to swim against the current, I'd like the idea of seeing Lightning in FFT-style cameos... I just hope Toriyama doesn't write the story. He's got a way of taking a simple plot and making it annoyingly complicated and 'deep'.

I always found Lightning to be the least interesting character in 13 and was only interesting in 13-2 because of how bland Noel and Serah were. However, I certainly didn't dislike her and if they have a valid reason for her to come back then I'm all for it. Plus, I like to think of this as a giant middle finger to all the people who have endlessly complained about the 13 series, which brings a smile to my face

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No more Lightning! She's just a plain boring character that doesn't need to turn up in any other games, even if she's a cameo. We had an entire console gen with her and her games, so please! just focus on the newest cast for the eventual FF15 instead.
Someone just give Toriyama a Lightning Dakimakura already.

Uratoh:
Which Toriyama is this, anyway? Not the same one of DBZ/DQ art fame, is it?

The DBZ one's Akira Toriyama, this one's the awful version that just keeps trying to push a character which he claims is the one and only representation of a good/strong female lead. Yet they make her boobs bigger and added "pole-dancing" to the latest game...

Grabehn:

Uratoh:
Which Toriyama is this, anyway? Not the same one of DBZ/DQ art fame, is it?

The DBZ one's Akira Toriyama, this one's the awful version that just keeps trying to push a character which he claims is the one and only representation of a good/strong female lead. Yet they make her boobs bigger and added "pole-dancing" to the latest game...

Pole dancing? You mean the pole slide? I agree it's a pointless addition, but it's hardly a dance.

Every time I've seen her she comes across as a completely unlikeable bitch. It seems I'm not the only one that feels this way.

While I can agree that Lightning is getting old now(and that's coming from someone with XIII in their top 5 Final Fantasy games), one thing people need to remember: Square Enix's main audience absolutely adores her and the XIII saga in general. Pretty much take the love you'll see Western gamers throw at the feet of VII, double it, and you have Japan's love of XIII. It's kind of like how the West was pretty receptive to XII but Japan wasn't keen on it. I remember seeing some character and game polls about a month or so back on some gaming forums for Japan's favorites, and Lightning and XIII both won handily. I'll see if I can dig them up again and link them here.

Interestingly it's been especially popular in the cosplay community there. My girlfriend and I regularly get issues of cosplay magazines like Cosmode, and where before there was a nice mixture of Final Fantasy cosplays it's now mostly dominated by XIII cosplays with a few sprinklings of the others here and there.

I just dong get the whole lighting thing, she has the most generic arc ever she is basically just cloud with boobs tell you can even get a cloud outfit for her.

I mean fine one game i could take that not an amazing character but i could live with that if the game was good but 3 games and cameos to come ?

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Okey being a uge non fan of Final Fantasy in general, and being familliar with Lightning character from Spoony review of FFXIII. I still have to wonder... Does there even his anything likable about this character? Even forgetting all the non sense bullshit that was all around her and for a matter the whole FFXIII plot?

I'm just asking because like i said, i don,t know much about it

Oh, for crying out loud. Part of what always made Final Fantasy so great was how each world was different, unique, and most importantly a stand-alone product. That's what made me hate X-2, that's part of what made me hate XIII-2, that's what's making me refuse to play Lightning Returns. It's always cool to see what new crazy world they create, going from the flying buildings of FFVIII to the medieval-ish world of FFIX and so on.

Then there's an entire goddamn console generation where Squeenix decides not only to create the dullest world and character roster it's pretty much ever had, but to carry it on for the entire goddamn 8 years. OK, I can deal with that. I played XIII, I stopped an hour or two into XIII-2, and will not play Lightning Returns. Who cares?

But now, you're bringing this into the rest of your games? Come the fuck on, Squeenix. Create something new, without having to find a reason for Lightning (who is the most boring protagonist you've had since the NES Final Fantasy III, I might add) to show up. Give us something exciting, something we all know you can create, because for 13 games, that is exactly what you did, and you did it masterfully.

Khanht Cope:

Though if the stuff like this that goes around is anything to go by:

http://www.p4rgaming.com/motomu-toriyama-frustrated-by-girlfriend-refusing-to-dress-up-as-lightning-for-the-third-time/

Then maybe there is some delusion going on.

That... that is just so silly it borders on parody. Hireing prostitutes... just to get them to dress as Lightning? Accidentally calling his girlfriend Lightning? "Seven out of ten is a wonderful score for this game because seven is Lightning's favorite number."

Either there is a lot of delusion or The Onion is branching out.

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