Global Warming a Threat to Human Security, Says UN Science Report

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Global Warming a Threat to Human Security, Says UN Science Report

Global Warming

Report says that there is "robust evidence" for global warming as a threat to national security.

The UN-sanctioned Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is releasing a new report that connects global warming with global security problems, including civil wars, refugees, and tension between nations. The report includes a 63-page chapter on security problems in which it says that there is "robust evidence" that "human security will be progressively threatened as climate changes." The IPCC is not claiming that climate change will cause violence, but rather that it will be an additional factor in the destabilization of nations, as conflicts over resources such as water and energy break out.

"Climate change will not directly cause conflict - but it will exacerbate issues of poor governance, resource inequality and social unrest," retired U.S. Navy Adm. David Titley, now a Pennsylvania State University professor of meteorology, wrote in an email. Titley, who wasn't part of the IPCC report, went on to say that "if you are already living in a place affected by violent conflict, I suspect climate change becomes the least of your worries."

In its strategic review earlier this month, the U.S. Department of Defense called climate change a "threat multiplier" to poverty, political instability and social tensions worldwide.

In December 2007, the IPCC was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change."

Source: The Seattle Times

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All the more reason to pour all our resources into space exploration so we can hurry up and get the hell off this wasted mud-ball of a planet. :P

Does it mention over population in the report? Seems to hardly ever come up at least in a lot of news stories when it comes to environmental issues.

No politician wants to admit that as a major problem.

Stabby Joe:
Does it mention over population in the report? Seems to hardly ever come up at least in a lot of news stories when it comes to environmental issues.

No politician wants to admit that as a major problem.

That's probably because over population isn't really the issue with global warming. Even in many first world countries where over population isn't even remotely a danger at the moment, greenhouse gas emissions are rising steadily.

Of course much of that has to do with an irrational fear of nuclear preventing us from not killing ourselves.

It only threatens humans, though. The Earth will live on. We change the planet, but the planet is a lot more durable than we give it credit. Even if it ends up being uninhabitable for humans, life on Earth will likely do just fine as animals adapt to the new environment.

RJ 17:
All the more reason to pour all our resources into space exploration so we can hurry up and get the hell off this wasted mud-ball of a planet. :P

The irony is, this planet will be just fine no matter what we do but for us... not so much. I have an idea... how about we remedy the real problem, the lack of knowledge or awareness of GW.

How about people actually start getting the information out to the public and show everyone the undeniable evidence that shows Global Warming is real and serious. lets get that ball rolling and start getting everyone informed. Get a show out there to raise awareness in the vein of Cosmos that lays out the evidence in a way that people will understand and can digest.

I am not a scientist, I have no idea how to properly research this stuff to find the most reliable information for this evidence for myself. I doubt most other people do as well, get that information to us, get us informed about what is happening and what can be done about it. I have a hard time finding reliable info about GW that someone wasn't trying to sneak in their political ideology alongside it, take that crap out and give it to the public straight.

That is my take on GW.

They foiled my plans of destroying the ozone layer with CFCs, but they can't ban carbon dioxide this time! Mwahahahaha!!!

Captcha: that's all folks

Indeed, Captcha. Indeed...

Coreless:
I have a hard time finding reliable info about GW that someone wasn't trying to sneak in their political ideology alongside it,

And that's the problem with the global warming issue right there: it's way too tied into politics. Especially when things like happening like all those emails between climate research scientists that were released a couple years ago that called into question the validity of their work by making them seem like all their research was being done specifically to further a political cause.

I'm not saying it's a bunch of BS and I'm not insisting that it's true, but those emails were released and it certainly did nothing to help the image of those arguing that man-made global warming is a thing. I tried to post a link to a Forbes article on it but apparently the link shrinks down to just the Forbes home page. Just google "global warming email scandal" and the news stories should pop right up.

RJ 17:
All the more reason to pour all our resources into space exploration so we can hurry up and get the hell off this wasted mud-ball of a planet. :P

And go where? in case you ain't noticed most of the planets in our solar systems are straight up designed to murder the crap out of life.

And we ain't getting out of this solar system...nearest star is what 2 light years away... yeah, light takes 2 years to get there and light is pretty much the universal speed limit. Nope we stuck hre.

But take heart, Global Warming is a threat...you know what else was a threat... Saber toothed Tigers...do you see any of those around. Nope Because e murdered the crap out of them. We will murder the crap out of global warming too . There is no problem humanity cannot solve with enthusiastic murdering.

Seriously, Small Pox, Murdered it, Dire Wolves, Murdered Them, Sharks, Most are on the endangered species list so yeah, murder., Lions, Endangered, Tigers, Endangered, Bears, Endangered, Wolves, Protected in most areas... recovering from being endangered. There is nothing we will not try to murder...and so far there is nothing we haven't found a way to murder so Global Warming best be watchin it's step before we get all Nuclear Winter up in it's hizzle.

BigTuk:
Snip.

That's why we need to pour our resources into space! Develope me a frickin' warp drive so I can tell Ensign Fig-Nuts to "engage!" :P

Seriously, my original post was a joke. Unless we find some Prothean ruins on Mars, we are indeed stuck here.

I'm all for murdering things to further the cause of humanity though. :3

RJ 17:

Coreless:
I have a hard time finding reliable info about GW that someone wasn't trying to sneak in their political ideology alongside it,

And that's the problem with the global warming issue right there: it's way too tied into politics. Especially when things like happening like all those emails between climate research scientists that were released a couple years ago that called into question the validity of their work by making them seem like all their research was being done specifically to further a political cause.

I'm not saying it's a bunch of BS and I'm not insisting that it's true, but those emails were released and it certainly did nothing to help the image of those arguing that man-made global warming is a thing. I tried to post a link to a Forbes article on it but apparently the link shrinks down to just the Forbes home page. Just google "global warming email scandal" and the news stories should pop right up.

I have always been a skeptic, I was raised by skeptical parents who never trusted anything and they fostered that idea in me. With Global Warming I find my "wait..what?" meter wailing and I wish that was because I actually had information to go off. I don't want to be skeptical of GW, I want to know what the facts are, if our future is truly in jeopardy and politicians are really f**king this up by injecting their nonsense into it. Why is it that I can go to the Science Channel or Youtube and find like 20 programs or videos about the freaking multi-verse and yet I can't find a damn thing I could trust about GW?

RJ 17:

Coreless:
I have a hard time finding reliable info about GW that someone wasn't trying to sneak in their political ideology alongside it,

And that's the problem with the global warming issue right there: it's way too tied into politics. Especially when things like happening like all those emails between climate research scientists that were released a couple years ago that called into question the validity of their work by making them seem like all their research was being done specifically to further a political cause.

I'm not saying it's a bunch of BS and I'm not insisting that it's true, but those emails were released and it certainly did nothing to help the image of those arguing that man-made global warming is a thing. I tried to post a link to a Forbes article on it but apparently the link shrinks down to just the Forbes home page. Just google "global warming email scandal" and the news stories should pop right up.

too much money in global warming carbon offsets, exepensive as hell toxic batteries, and as a bonus not only can you milk people ro loads of cash while you warn them about man made disasters that only we could prevent if we had the money and the power, so we are going to take away your choice and rights because they are bad for the climate.

they can get away with just about anything with a good enough crisis and each and every time one of these things come out remember that. and ask yourself how much money al gore and all his earth buddies made riding around in prvivate jets living in massive mansions and driving gas guzzling suvs. the father of the modern biggest cash and rights grab in modern history short of the war on terror. they just not gotten a big enough disaster they can link warming to or change or w/e bullshit they are pedaling today.

RJ 17:

Coreless:
I have a hard time finding reliable info about GW that someone wasn't trying to sneak in their political ideology alongside it,

And that's the problem with the global warming issue right there: it's way too tied into politics. Especially when things like happening like all those emails between climate research scientists that were released a couple years ago that called into question the validity of their work by making them seem like all their research was being done specifically to further a political cause.

I'm not saying it's a bunch of BS and I'm not insisting that it's true, but those emails were released and it certainly did nothing to help the image of those arguing that man-made global warming is a thing. I tried to post a link to a Forbes article on it but apparently the link shrinks down to just the Forbes home page. Just google "global warming email scandal" and the news stories should pop right up.

Those emails where debunked you know, there where carefully edited to remove context and quote mine "juicy bits". Where the raw emails showed a discussion about how to best present the data and remove all but the most conservative claims the bloggers and main stream media used mined quotes to show how the scientists where carefully selecting what to present and what not to present, in other cases where the emails discussed flawed studies with bad methodology and exlcuding them from the debate the bloggers claimed it was proof that alternate views where being excluded. Yet when it came to discussion about well written papers and studies with alternate views about anthropogenic climate change and no mention of excluding them the same tinfoil hatters and bloggers didn't seem to notice that at all... Then the whole thing became an echo chamber with all of the conspiracy theorists, bloggers and news outlets all quoting each other as a source.

Climate change is abused though, governments are using as a way to get extra tax and corporations use it to get subsidies and tax breaks.

Coreless:

I have always been a skeptic, I was raised by skeptical parents who never trusted anything and they fostered that idea in me. With Global Warming I find my "wait..what?" meter wailing and I wish that was because I actually had information to go off. I don't want to be skeptical of GW, I want to know what the facts are, if our future is truly in jeopardy and politicians are really f**king this up by injecting their nonsense into it. Why is it that I can go to the Science Channel or Youtube and find like 20 programs or videos about the freaking multi-verse and yet I can't find a damn thing I could trust about GW?

https://www.skepticalscience.com/ is pretty good. It was primarily written by a solar scientist who does 'believe' in GW, but the entire website is evidence based. A large amount of the site is directed towards refuting the usual arguments against GW, since that was what originally inspired the website (seeing the same arguments come up over and over again).

Vivi22:

Stabby Joe:
Does it mention over population in the report? Seems to hardly ever come up at least in a lot of news stories when it comes to environmental issues.

No politician wants to admit that as a major problem.

That's probably because over population isn't really the issue with global warming. Even in many first world countries where over population isn't even remotely a danger at the moment, greenhouse gas emissions are rising steadily.

Of course much of that has to do with an irrational fear of nuclear preventing us from not killing ourselves.

Indeed. Overpopulation is still a long way away from being a crippling issue on its own. The US alone could produce enough food to feed everyone in the world if the system was optimized for it. The problem with overpopulation is that it's a compounding factor when it's combined with the use of the forms of energy that are causing climate change. That's the main reason China and India are looking to be huge problems on that front in the years to come.

The problem is that we're all so dependent on forms of energy which are neither sustainable nor environmentally friendly, and that the groups that provide those types of energy are incredibly powerful and influential to boot. Fossil fuels are not something we should see as our main, preferred form of power. We should be treating them for exactly what they are, a temporary (undeniably useful, but temporary) solution that we can use as a stepping stone to get ourselves to forms of power that will take us into the future.

Nuclear power is definitely an option, but until we figure out fusion, or ways to deal with the waste that don't involve burying it in the desert and hoping that no one ever stumbles across it ever, fission is a bit of a stepping stone sort of power in its own right.

I honestly don't get the climate change debate. Even if you don't believe in it at all, surely we can all agree that basing the power needs of our *entire species* around forms of energy that are literally *finite* and prone to catastrophic spills and accidents that can severely impact peoples' lives is not an ideal arrangement. Climate change should be the third or fourth issue on the list when discussing why we need to find alternate, sustainable sources of energy, and new ways to create the various synthetic materials that are so vital to everyday life.

How many times do reports with overwhelming facts till they do something ?

But i think we still have to consider the very real danger of MAN BEAR PIG

Coreless:

RJ 17:
All the more reason to pour all our resources into space exploration so we can hurry up and get the hell off this wasted mud-ball of a planet. :P

The irony is, this planet will be just fine no matter what we do but for us... not so much. I have an idea... how about we remedy the real problem, the lack of knowledge or awareness of GW.

How about people actually start getting the information out to the public and show everyone the undeniable evidence that shows Global Warming is real and serious. lets get that ball rolling and start getting everyone informed. Get a show out there to raise awareness in the vein of Cosmos that lays out the evidence in a way that people will understand and can digest.

I am not a scientist, I have no idea how to properly research this stuff to find the most reliable information for this evidence for myself. I doubt most other people do as well, get that information to us, get us informed about what is happening and what can be done about it. I have a hard time finding reliable info about GW that someone wasn't trying to sneak in their political ideology alongside it, take that crap out and give it to the public straight.

That is my take on GW.

There are a lot of scientists trying to do just that. If you haven't heard of them, then I think the reason for that is what we need to identify.

Coreless:

I have always been a skeptic, I was raised by skeptical parents who never trusted anything and they fostered that idea in me. With Global Warming I find my "wait..what?" meter wailing and I wish that was because I actually had information to go off. I don't want to be skeptical of GW, I want to know what the facts are, if our future is truly in jeopardy and politicians are really f**king this up by injecting their nonsense into it. Why is it that I can go to the Science Channel or Youtube and find like 20 programs or videos about the freaking multi-verse and yet I can't find a damn thing I could trust about GW?

Then you should go to the IPCC site (http://www.ipcc.ch/) and read the most recent report. They have a Summary for Policymakers that boils it down for the people we are unfortunate enough to have representing us. If you want excruciating detail, the body of the report lays it all out.

The most recently released SPM is by Working Group Two, which focuses on human impact and adaptation. The one you might be more interested in is by Working Group One, which focuses on the the physical evidence for climate change. You can download it here: http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf

J Tyran:

RJ 17:

Coreless:
I have a hard time finding reliable info about GW that someone wasn't trying to sneak in their political ideology alongside it,

And that's the problem with the global warming issue right there: it's way too tied into politics. Especially when things like happening like all those emails between climate research scientists that were released a couple years ago that called into question the validity of their work by making them seem like all their research was being done specifically to further a political cause.

I'm not saying it's a bunch of BS and I'm not insisting that it's true, but those emails were released and it certainly did nothing to help the image of those arguing that man-made global warming is a thing. I tried to post a link to a Forbes article on it but apparently the link shrinks down to just the Forbes home page. Just google "global warming email scandal" and the news stories should pop right up.

Those emails where debunked you know, there where carefully edited to remove context and quote mine "juicy bits". Where the raw emails showed a discussion about how to best present the data and remove all but the most conservative claims the bloggers and main stream media used mined quotes to show how the scientists where carefully selecting what to present and what not to present, in other cases where the emails discussed flawed studies with bad methodology and exlcuding them from the debate the bloggers claimed it was proof that alternate views where being excluded. Yet when it came to discussion about well written papers and studies with alternate views about anthropogenic climate change and no mention of excluding them the same tinfoil hatters and bloggers didn't seem to notice that at all... Then the whole thing became an echo chamber with all of the conspiracy theorists, bloggers and news outlets all quoting each other as a source.

Climate change is abused though, governments are using as a way to get extra tax and corporations use it to get subsidies and tax breaks.

As I said in the quoted post: I'm not saying it's all the truth or that it's all a bunch of BS. My point was the very fact that such a thing happened (and there are other cases similar to that one) is the kind of thing that raises doubt and skepticism about man-made global warming.

Soviet Heavy:
It only threatens humans, though. The Earth will live on. We change the planet, but the planet is a lot more durable than we give it credit. Even if it ends up being uninhabitable for humans, life on Earth will likely do just fine as animals adapt to the new environment.

Well humans and a good chunk of the biosphere, see the Middle Miocene Disruption for a good example of how a relatively sudden change in climate can fuck shit royally.

OT: It would be fantastic if policy makers took their thumbs out of their arses and actually did something vaguely leaning towards getting this shit sorted rather than arguing if it's our fault. Here's a useful little titbit: even if we aren't solely to blame for it, we are certainly not fucking helping the situation. We are perfectly capable of moving to other forms of energy to at least slow our march to the precipice (see France's shift from natural gas to nuclear (which actually gives them an energy surplus which they can sell to neighbouring countries) as an example).

Yeah the saving the planet spiel pisses me off! Get it right saving our own sorry arses is what were trying to do the planet will get along just fine without those pesky hairless apes fucking everything up.

Also politicians definitely aren't helping either.

Global warming is undeniable the planet has gotten warmer ever since thw Ice Age as it has done many times before on alternating periods of cooling and warming. The question is how much influence do we actually have. I know that the UN was quick to solve the aerosol crisis where it was impossible to ignore the ties between humanity and the thinning of the ozone layer.

On the other hand we know that our planet like its life forms is adaptable and is anything but static, where there once was lakes there are now deserts and vice versa. That is also why I believe that man made or not we cannot stop the planet from warming or cooling, we should focus on adapting to a future as the climate changes, not trying to stop the inevitable.

It's generally accepted that politicians don't give a shit about the environment, just money and power.
I think that reports like these, while true in many aspects, are mostly made to give the politicians the fear of losing their money and power so that they will finally do something about global warming.
Even if it doesn't work, it's still a good try.

Coreless:

RJ 17:
All the more reason to pour all our resources into space exploration so we can hurry up and get the hell off this wasted mud-ball of a planet. :P

The irony is, this planet will be just fine no matter what we do but for us... not so much. I have an idea... how about we remedy the real problem, the lack of knowledge or awareness of GW.

How about people actually start getting the information out to the public and show everyone the undeniable evidence that shows Global Warming is real and serious. lets get that ball rolling and start getting everyone informed. Get a show out there to raise awareness in the vein of Cosmos that lays out the evidence in a way that people will understand and can digest.

I am not a scientist, I have no idea how to properly research this stuff to find the most reliable information for this evidence for myself. I doubt most other people do as well, get that information to us, get us informed about what is happening and what can be done about it. I have a hard time finding reliable info about GW that someone wasn't trying to sneak in their political ideology alongside it, take that crap out and give it to the public straight.

That is my take on GW.

I guarantee you that building vaults like in Fallout 3 is cheaper, more possible and might actually work.

Global warming can only be solved by reducing and modifying human input into the problem. Even if it turns out that humans had no impact on it, we still have to adapt and fix the damn problem.

I am reminded of the sad sunchips story. Sunchips made a bag that biodegrades fast and is really cheap. But the bag is noticeably different from a normal chip bag. BOTH ARE FREAKING BAGS OF CHIPS. Sunchips removed the new bag due to backlash over the feel and difference of the bag material

rcs619:
I honestly don't get the climate change debate. Even if you don't believe in it at all, surely we can all agree that basing the power needs of our *entire species* around forms of energy that are literally *finite* and prone to catastrophic spills and accidents that can severely impact peoples' lives is not an ideal arrangement. Climate change should be the third or fourth issue on the list when discussing why we need to find alternate, sustainable sources of energy, and new ways to create the various synthetic materials that are so vital to everyday life.

People who make money from non-renewables hire lobbyists to run interference for them and spread FUD about sustainable energy and the need to act on climate change, simple as that. Why else does 'wind farm syndrome' get so much attention despite having no scientific basis and mysteriously vanishing as soon as people realise they can make money off them by selling excess power?

I thought The Escapist was about escapism and escapist accessories. Can someone explain to me see how it's about games, movies, comics, or anything escapist?

The report should be titled "Humans a threat to Human Security". I guess that'd be too accurate to tell the general public though. The follow-up line could be "Planet Earth will outlive the human population indefinitely" to really drive the point home.

i say we nuke mother nature once and for all, bitch has been giving us a hard time ever since we refused to put up with her shit

Sonichu:
I thought The Escapist was about escapism and escapist accessories. Can someone explain to me see how it's about games, movies, comics, or anything escapist?

Feel free to not read the article if it's not what you're interested in. Many of us are nerds, and many nerds have an interest in science-related news. I have no interest in ponies or pokemon, so I don't read pony or pokemon-related articles. I don't complain about them either.

Is that a first big name scientist finally getting what was public knowledge for at least couple years now? looks like we are moving forward indeed. Well, as long as at least some politicians understand the message.

Vivi22:

That's probably because over population isn't really the issue with global warming. Even in many first world countries where over population isn't even remotely a danger at the moment, greenhouse gas emissions are rising steadily.

Of course much of that has to do with an irrational fear of nuclear preventing us from not killing ourselves.

Um what? Overpopulation not a danger? overpopulation already exists. we have 8 billion humans on this planet. way more than there should be. but of course noone wants to hear about not letting idiots raise 6 kids. apperently somone even decided its human right to make babies everywhere.

rcs619:

Nuclear power is definitely an option, but until we figure out fusion, or ways to deal with the waste that don't involve burying it in the desert and hoping that no one ever stumbles across it ever, fission is a bit of a stepping stone sort of power in its own right.

granted you may not be aware, but modern nuclear plant produces 2 teaspoons of waste in a whole year of operation. storing waste from modern nuclear plant is cheap and easy and requires no burrying. Fusion is obviuosly more powerful and produces no waste whatsoever, but we still dont have that, while we had fission for decades.

Oh and overpopulation is already an issue.

AstaresPanda:
How many times do reports with overwhelming facts till they do something ?

sorry, not possible to answer, because the answer would be "infinite". except it would be wrong, becuase they woudl still do nothing about it.

Sonichu:
I thought The Escapist was about escapism and escapist accessories. Can someone explain to me see how it's about games, movies, comics, or anything escapist?

considering that global warming may end human life as we know it, it involves everything to do with human life, escapism included.

McMullen:

Sonichu:
I thought The Escapist was about escapism and escapist accessories. Can someone explain to me see how it's about games, movies, comics, or anything escapist?

Feel free to not read the article if it's not what you're interested in. Many of us are nerds, and many nerds have an interest in science-related news. I have no interest in ponies or pokemon, so I don't read pony or pokemon-related articles. I don't complain about them either.

It's not The Nerd. It's The Escapist.

"Founded in 2005, The Escapist is a leading video gaming destination offering video game enthusiasts high-quality, innovative and exclusive content with a considered approach to its audience. The mouthpiece of the gaming generation, The Escapist aims to capture and celebrate the contemporary video gaming lifestyle and the diverse global video game culture by way of in-depth features, thought provoking articles and relevant columns authored by leading video game authorities, as well as cutting-edge video shorts, engaging forums and robust social media elements that incorporate the video gaming experience."

es·cap·ism (ĭ-skā′pĭz′əm)
n.
The tendency to escape from daily reality or routine by indulging in daydreaming, fantasy, or entertainment.

Also click http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/tag/global+warming to see how it had started reasonably on topic before it went out of control.

Sonichu:

es·cap·ism (ĭ-skā′pĭz′əm)
n.
The tendency to escape from daily reality or routine by indulging in daydreaming, fantasy, or entertainment.

Day dreaming about the potential end of the world seems like escapism to me. It's tied in to all that post-apocalyptic stuff that makes for such great video games.

Dni0:

Sonichu:

es·cap·ism (ĭ-skā′pĭz′əm)
n.
The tendency to escape from daily reality or routine by indulging in daydreaming, fantasy, or entertainment.

Day dreaming about the potential end of the world seems like escapism to me. It's tied in to all that post-apocalyptic stuff that makes for such great video games.

There was no mention of post-apocalyptic fiction to even force in this completely random article (second by the same author recently).

Sonichu:

McMullen:

Sonichu:
I thought The Escapist was about escapism and escapist accessories. Can someone explain to me see how it's about games, movies, comics, or anything escapist?

Feel free to not read the article if it's not what you're interested in. Many of us are nerds, and many nerds have an interest in science-related news. I have no interest in ponies or pokemon, so I don't read pony or pokemon-related articles. I don't complain about them either.

It's not The Nerd. It's The Escapist.

"Founded in 2005, The Escapist is a leading video gaming destination offering video game enthusiasts high-quality, innovative and exclusive content with a considered approach to its audience. The mouthpiece of the gaming generation, The Escapist aims to capture and celebrate the contemporary video gaming lifestyle and the diverse global video game culture by way of in-depth features, thought provoking articles and relevant columns authored by leading video game authorities, as well as cutting-edge video shorts, engaging forums and robust social media elements that incorporate the video gaming experience."

es·cap·ism (ĭ-skā′pĭz′əm)
n.
The tendency to escape from daily reality or routine by indulging in daydreaming, fantasy, or entertainment.

Also click http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/tag/global+warming to see how it had started reasonably on topic before it went out of control.

Science is entertainment for some. You're probably the only commenter here who isn't interested in this topic. Again, you are free to not read it.

Strazdas:
Is that a first big name scientist finally getting what was public knowledge for at least couple years now? looks like we are moving forward indeed. Well, as long as at least some politicians understand the message.

Vivi22:

That's probably because over population isn't really the issue with global warming. Even in many first world countries where over population isn't even remotely a danger at the moment, greenhouse gas emissions are rising steadily.

Of course much of that has to do with an irrational fear of nuclear preventing us from not killing ourselves.

Um what? Overpopulation not a danger? overpopulation already exists. we have 8 billion humans on this planet. way more than there should be. but of course noone wants to hear about not letting idiots raise 6 kids. apperently somone even decided its human right to make babies everywhere.

Too many humans is not the problem. Too many RICH humans is the problem.

A poor (by our standards) family in rural India for example has a tiny impact on the planet- they walk, cycle or use public transport, they've never been on a plane, they don't own any fancy electronic devices or buy things online that get delivered by airmail and they don't eat meat. Earth could comfortably sustain 20 billion such people- far beyond our current population of 7.22 bilion. However...

The richest 1 billion humans (the global rich and "middle classes") account for about 85% of the planet's resource use. We have cars and air conditioning and foreign holidays and a thousand restaurants in easy reach offering meaty goodness from factory farmed animals fed on the wrong diet that's causing them gastric distress and pushing up our methane emissions. All the climate-change-exacerbated disasters we've seen in the last couple of decades- the superstorms, the droughts, the floods- are OUR FAULT. Anyone with access to the technology to read these words shoulders their share of the blame. Pointing the finger at big families in poor countries is a fallacy. WE need to get our shit together. WE need to develop the clean energy and clean engines and recycling technology to sustain OUR lifestyles without making the rest of the human race suffer. If we want more and more people to join us in riches and luxury (and we'd better because that's the way our economies have been designed, even if it seems to have been working in reverse the last few years) then we're going to have to find a way for the Earth to cope with their burden as well as ours.

Skeptics like to yell about freedom and nameless others trying to take away their choices, and in a way they're right. We've been *too* free to exploit our world and our brothers and sisters in poorer countries to sustain our ever-swelling consumer lifestyles. We have to take responsibility for that and get our houses in order. It doesn't mean the end of the world or even the end of humanity if we don't- it just means that an unimaginable number of people who aren't responsible for the changes will starve and drown and get horrible diseases from hordes of migrating insects and microbes.

So... yeah. Overpopulation. Not the problem. The numbers just don't add up.

-Nick

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