Charizard And Greninja Join Super Smash Bros. 4 - Update

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Charizard And Greninja Join Super Smash Bros. 4 - Update

Super Smash Bros. For Wii U and 3DS is getting two new playable Pokemon.

Update 2: Added screenshots.

Update: Nintendo has updated its official Smash Bros. website, adding character introductions and screenshots for Greninja and Charizard.

Original Story: Today's Super Smash Bros. For Wii U and 3DS Nintendo direct had a wealth of information on the new titles, but what is, of course, most interesting for long-time fans of the series is the new character reveals. At the very end of the presentation, a familiar face showed up: Charizard. In Brawl, Charizard was a part of the Pokemon Trainer character, but it looks like he will be his own character in the new game, complete with a mega-evolution Smash attack.

And how do you counter a fire Pokemon? With a water Pokemon, of course! Alongside Charizard came the announcement of Pokemon X and Y's Greninja, a water-dark type Pokemon that screams "ninja". Greninja seems to have a very agile movie set, that uses both traditional Pokemon attacks such as water gun, and "ninja" tricks such as smoke bombs. He seems somewhat similar to the previously released Lucario, who was also shown in the video to have a mega-evolution.

As for other returning character news, Yoshi fans can breathe easy, as Nintendo confirmed that the green dinosaur would be returning to the game, and fans that preferred to play as Zero Suit Samus and Sheik rather than regular Samus and Zelda will be please to know that they are, like Charizard, now their own separate characters.

A whole bunch of other Pokemon appeared in the video, although they appeared to simply be the 'mons that would spawn from the Poke-ball item when used in game.

Charizard has been my favorite Pokemon since I was 10 years old, so I am super excited that he's being fleshed out as his own character this time around.

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*hears new characters*
Did they reveal Cap...oh...okay...

OT: Well I have to say that I really like Greninja's moveset a lot, and Chizard can finally be a fully realized dragon now in games. Also, just to gloat, go Team Froakie, we now have a representative in Smash Bros for Team Froakie! >:D

YESH! They listened and made Charizard his own character. Personally, I never liked playing as Ivysaur or Squirtle in Brawl at all and hated how they would force you to switch characters to restore effectiveness.

Greninja however looks rather... OP'd. Anytime they put in a character with really good speed, I get really worried. It happened with Fox in the first one, Fox (again), Falco, and Marth in Melee, and Metaknight in Brawl. To be fair in Brawl though, Metaknight was OP'd in almost every respect and not just speed.

Sheik as a standalone!?

I KNOW WHO I'LL BE MAINING!!!

Stoked to hell on that. As for the Pokémon? Eh, I preferred the Trainer more. I always thought it was a very cool mechanic.

WHY NO BAYONETTA?!

*grumble grumble*

I mean, I like Greninja and all, but it's yet another Pokemon and the likes of Captain Falcon have been removed too, then I'd be a little disheartened.

Also sincerely, congratulations on spelling Sheik right, nearly everyone else spelt it Shiek the first time I saw it. Which made me see it as Shrek a few times, and then I laughed at the thought of Shrek in a fighting game. Then I remembered that such a thing existed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrek_SuperSlam

Time for MAXIMUM OGREDRIVE!

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Charizard: Yes. I didn't like Squirtle or Ivysaur.

Greninja: I'd be happier if it didn't occupy a slot for a Pokemon that could have been more...unexpected?

I never tend to match the popular opinion on what Pokemon I love and use, and it's sad that I'll likely never have a "misfit" Pokemon to play in Smash Bros besides Jigglypuff.

Headsprouter:

Greninja: I'd be happier if it didn't occupy a slot for a Pokemon that could have been more...unexpected?

Are you telling me you honestly saw Greninja COMING!? Impossible, He's a Ninja.

UPDATE

Internet celeb and comic book critic Linkara brought up an interesting question on his Twitter account regarding the lack of any grass-type Pokemon in the new SSB. Will Venusaur be coming back? If so, will he be a separate character like Charizard or is he stuck with the possibly returning Pokemon Trainer? Maybe it might be a a new grass-type Pokemon. If that is the case, who would be a better substitute for Venusaur?

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The Super Smash Bros website has been updated with the 5 new characters. Link is posted below.

http://www.smashbros.com/us

In regards to the 3DS coming out before the WiiU version, I'm guessing it will be a late summer release since not all the remaining characters have been reveals. But don't hold me to that. What is interesting is that Zero Suit Samus, Sheik, and Charizard are now their own characters. I wonder what this will mean for the Pokemon Trainer? Is he no longer part of the game or will he (or perhaps she) be getting new Pokemon to play with? Nice to see a X/Y character on the roster. Even cooler that it a frog ninja.

Hope more info comes down the pipe. This game is getting all the more hype.

LunaticPanda:

Headsprouter:

Greninja: I'd be happier if it didn't occupy a slot for a Pokemon that could have been more...unexpected?

Are you telling me you honestly saw Greninja COMING!? Impossible, He's a Ninja.

greninja is just the replacement for metaknight, i guess???

substitute is almost a direct copy of metaknight's counter

Charizard has proven in the anime that it doesn't really need a trainer. Looks like with the added focus it could be a real powerhouse but that Greninja...damn...came out of freaking nowhere and looks like it'll be able to stand up to Mac and The Villager (ie: another potential OP character)

I thought I'd be maining Mega Man but after seeing Greninja...damn...

Shoggoth2588:

I thought I'd be maining Mega Man but after seeing Greninja...damn...

I like Megaman's Final Smash really, but I wonder what Greninja's Final Smash is. Also was surprised that in Megaman's Final Smash actually showed both Volnutt and Star Force Megaman because those two are usually always forgotten because people always clamor about only X or Classic. Maybe some day I'll get my Legends 3...T^T

Maybe it's just my headphones, but was that video really quiet?

Neronium:

Shoggoth2588:

I thought I'd be maining Mega Man but after seeing Greninja...damn...

I like Megaman's Final Smash really, but I wonder what Greninja's Final Smash is. Also was surprised that in Megaman's Final Smash actually showed both Volnutt and Star Force Megaman because those two are usually always forgotten because people always clamor about only X or Classic. Maybe some day I'll get my Legends 3...T^T

I was under the impression that the many directional (Omnislash) that Greninja did in front of the sky was his Final Smash.

Overall, I don't mind the additional Pokemon. Greninja seemed like a solid Fighter choice, and Charizard has been shipped to the nine realms and back. Wish he would use MegaZardY more often though.

Still waiting for Isaac to be in here, although if He does get it that means I'll need to find a way to decide who the hell I'm maining. Too many choices, Link, Mega-Man, Little Mac, Sonic and possibly him if he's in.

Would like to see some other franchises get some Love other than just Pokemon and Mario. I know that They're Nintendo's main franchises and I love them to death but something just feels off with them having so many reps.

Oh! New Idea! have Wonder Red in there as a character or assist at least. I think that would be pretty badass

Neronium:
*hears new characters*
Did they reveal Cap...oh...okay...

Didn't this interview from three months ago sort of confirm Captain Falcon for SSB4?

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/30/sakurai-importance-balancing-next-super-smash-bros/

"Sakurai also talks about the difficulty in adjusting balances for things such as four player free-for-alls and 1-on-1 fights, as their circumstances are completely different. This can't be helped at times, he says. For example, some attacks such as Captain Falcon's "Falcon Punch" might work well when there's more players, but might not ever hit during a 1-on-1 fight."

Hopefully it's a confirm for him, would be sad to see him gone.

Soviet Heavy:
Maybe it's just my headphones, but was that video really quiet?

It's not just you, and thanks for reminding me to turn my volume back down. I would've had a heart attack the next time I watched a video.

So...one third of my Pokemon Y team is in Smash Bros? Interesting.

I have to say I'm amused by this choice. Sort of sad to believe that the who Pokemon Trainer concept has been (maybe) scrapped in favor of making Charizard a standalone. I always liked the Trainer's concept even if I don't think I knew anyone who actually enjoyed playing him.

Other than that, I can get behind this. I'm just glad I know how Greninja is this time and I'm not being blindsided by a new pokemon that I've never heard of (Lucario).

Okay, I shall get the news which disappoints me out of the way first. The lack of being able to transform in the midst of battles, outside of characters such as Lucario having a Mega Evolution which is more of a power up than a transformation, was disappointing for several reasons, in fact it's probably the most disappointing thing I've heard in regards to this series... ever. This however, the lack of Pokémon Trainer and the resulting Charizard as a standalone character, is one of the key reasons it is disappointing. While I disliked the inclusion of Pokémon Trainer for being yet another Gen 1 Pokémon character, I loved the inclusion of Pokémon Trainer for bringing a vastly different form of representation for the Pokémon series to SSB. Considering that the trainer's are just as integral to the Pokémon world as the Pokémon themselves, I found it to be a wise decision to represent that aspect through a character. Now that unique form of representation is gone, and instead of simply removing the Pokémon Trainer's Pokémon whom don't signify anything special in terms of representation anymore, we get Charizard as a standalone character. Yep, now he just represents another Gen 1 Pokémon, something that is already covered by the always in SSB Pikachu and the sure to return Jigglypuff.

The inclusion of Greninja on the otherhand is... I'm a little mixed on it but overall I think it's a good thing. I did want a Gen 6 playable Pokémon, and was overall not too fussed on who that Pokémon would be. That said, my expectations were more towards either a 6th Gen Pokémon Trainer (to replace the 1st Gen Pokémon Trainer), Sylveon (it did receive a lot of promotion), or Diancie (upcoming movie and there is currently no playable legendary Pokémon). The inclusion of Greninja I find a bit strange, for instance, why Greninja over the other two starters? I personally find Greninja rather dull compared to Delphox and Chesnaught, and considering the newcomers so far, would have preferred to see a slower and/or heavier newcomer at the moment rather than the lightning fast Greninja, but I in no way dislike the Pokémon and do feel the inclusion of a playable Gen 6 Pokémon is a great thing to have.

Yay, the most overrated Pokemon in existence + a random starter.

Nintendo must have been up at all hours to think this up.

Sould1n:
ow that unique form of representation is gone, and instead of simply removing the Pokémon Trainer's Pokémon whom don't signify anything special in terms of representation anymore, we get Charizard as a standalone character. Yep, now he just represents another Gen 1 Pokémon,

In all fairness, I would argue that Charizard isn't just 'another Gen 1 Pokemon', but rather THE signature representative of Gen 1 (with Pikachu being more the signature pokemon of the franchise as a whole rather than Gen 1 specifically). He was the mascot of red version, the only version of the 3 to make it to North America in both the original generation and the remake (as Green never came to NA the first time, and Blue was never remade at all the second time). Not only that, but it was also the only coloured version to essentially be declared as canon over its opposite version, since Red becomes the final challenge of Gold/Silver using the original player character appearance while Blue has the Rival's sprite and is given the lowly post-game gym leader role. So I would argue of all Gen 1 pokemon other than Pikachu, Charizard is probably the most fitting.

That said, I still miss Mewtwo. I loved the way he played in Melee and Lucario does not compare. I also still want to see Jigglypuff return (along with Ness and Captain Falcon) if only because I'd hate for any member of the original 12 to be cut.

Greninja. Huh. Well... That's one way to sneak Strider Hiriyu into the game. Seriously, except for the Water Shuriken, he uses Strider's move set, even the Ragnarok as his Final Smash (is that supposed to be Night Slash?). He looked so much like Mewtwo in shadow I got excited there for a minute, but I guess this is cool too.

Sheen Lantern:
Yay, the most overrated Pokemon in existence + a random starter.

Nintendo must have been up at all hours to think this up.

On the contrary. It's "a freaking dragon" pokemon and "a freaking ninja" pokemon.

Charizard was a powerhouse for the Pokemon Trainer in Brawl and a staple pokemon from the very beginning of Smash (his pokeball release rate was slightly higher, in my experience). Furthermore, Charizard just got his own Mega-evolution, which is an ideal Final Smash to replace Triple Finish. There's very little reason not to allow Charizard to return. Besides, they confirmed Ridley is in the game (as a "boss fight" level mechanic), and that characters can have costumes that don't exactly resemble their original form ("Wire Mac"). Charizard gives them a way to sneak in a playable Ridley, which is the next best thing to actual playable Ridley.

Greninja, on the other hand, has become an absolute staple in competitive Pokemon, thanks to its Protean ability. Protean gives it guaranteed attack bonuses on any move it can learn, as well as the ability to manually control its typing for defense (that nobody ever does, but it's cool anyway). Greninja, competitively, is in the common "Overused" tier - one of only three Starters to make it - and could theoretically rival Uber-tiered Blaziken (who deserves to be in this game, by the way) as the most powerful starter. Besides... there can never be too many ninjas. (...oh wait, yes there can. heh)

Come to think of it, they could fairly easily implement stand-alone Venusaur or Blastoise too... but it's dangerously close to "too many pokemon" already.

Point is, they have very good reasons for including these two... despite my disagreeing with their choices. (where the F is Mewtwo!?)

Like I said on another thread, it would be nice to include a final form grass starter considering the other two are represented. If it was Serperior I would be so happy, and it would be an interesting character since it would move unlike any other fighter, being a snake and all.

Happy to see Greninja since it was my favorite of the new starters. Even though I really like Charizard, I am in the camp that thinks it gets a little too much spotlight.

Am I the only one who really doesn't like Greninja? And it's not because to me he looks very OP. He's just really ugly, I mean really ugly. Maybe it's the tongue scarf? Or the fact he has triangles for hair?
Any way, my biases aside, I think they could have put any of the Pokemon X and Y starters in there and they would fit as fighters since they are based off of fantasy hero stereotypes. I guess the best of them got to be a fighter? Urgh, I can't stand to look at him...he's so goofy and I'm really shallow.

I guess I'm also one of the very few to mourn Pokemon Trainer? I thought he was a really cool idea. I'm willing to give Charizard a chance since his move set looks so neat but damn it, I like unique fighting styles like the pokemon trainer.

I still absolutely loathe Samus in her Zero Suit. It's practically become a fetish costume by this point, so dedicating an entire slot to her is extremely weird. You could perhaps argue that there are at least multiple Zeldas, but Zero Suit Samus and normal Samus taking up two spots on a roster still yearning for OTHER characters is about as disappointing as I felt when Dr. Mario was one of the special unlockable characters. Whoopdeedoo.

Sheen Lantern:
Gosh, if we're basing a Pokemon's worthiness on their competitive power, I guess Charizard is out of the question, with it's below-mediocre stats and crippling weakness to Stealth Rock.

Actually with the nerf to Stealth Rock, and Mega-Charizard X losing it's weakness, charizard has seen some competitive play recently.

Sheen Lantern:

So did the other Kanto starters. But I guess they don't count, because they're not Charizard.

Charizard got 2 megas, which is more than every other pokemon save 1, Mewtwo. It's also the most popular starter and a version mascot for 2 games.

Greninja is probably the most popular new pokemon from X/Y which is why he's included here. He's also fantastic in his own right, has a cool signature move and is the starter chosen for the anime. He's an ideal choice.

Gizen:

Sould1n:
ow that unique form of representation is gone, and instead of simply removing the Pokémon Trainer's Pokémon whom don't signify anything special in terms of representation anymore, we get Charizard as a standalone character. Yep, now he just represents another Gen 1 Pokémon,

In all fairness, I would argue that Charizard isn't just 'another Gen 1 Pokemon', but rather THE signature representative of Gen 1 (with Pikachu being more the signature pokemon of the franchise as a whole rather than Gen 1 specifically). He was the mascot of red version, the only version of the 3 to make it to North America in both the original generation and the remake (as Green never came to NA the first time, and Blue was never remade at all the second time). Not only that, but it was also the only coloured version to essentially be declared as canon over its opposite version, since Red becomes the final challenge of Gold/Silver using the original player character appearance while Blue has the Rival's sprite and is given the lowly post-game gym leader role. So I would argue of all Gen 1 pokemon other than Pikachu, Charizard is probably the most fitting.

That said, I still miss Mewtwo. I loved the way he played in Melee and Lucario does not compare. I also still want to see Jigglypuff return (along with Ness and Captain Falcon) if only because I'd hate for any member of the original 12 to be cut.

You do raise some good points, though overall I feel it was better in the circumstance of Charizard being a part of Pokémon Trainer, as this allowed another aspect of the Pokémon series to be represented in SSB. I'd say that Mewtwo would have also worked better than Charizard for representation, simply for the case of being able to represent a different aspect of the Pokémon series, legendary Pokémon.

Overall my personal preference for the Pokémon reps is for Gen diversity, I haven't been a fan of the 3 Gen 1 Pokémon case that has applied to Melee, Brawl, and I assume this SSB (I doubt Jigglypuff will be removed, though in this case I consider that a good thing).

Story:
I guess I'm also one of the very few to mourn Pokemon Trainer? I thought he was a really cool idea. I'm willing to give Charizard a chance since his move set looks so neat but damn it, I like unique fighting styles like the pokemon trainer.

I am also disappointed at the loss of Pokémon Trainer, as Charizard alone I feel doesn't cut it for representation (though frankly I'd say that for any Pokémon rep which already has it's gen represented in playable form, not counting Jigglypuff due to original 12 tradition). In fact, the removal of transformation/swapping in the midst of battle for characters is the biggest disappointment for me for this game, maybe even the entire series. It makes little sense as to why they'd remove the unique Pokémon series representing aspect of the trainer, as well as making Samus into two separate characters.

Perhaps this is the first case of something being due to 3DS hardware limitations, though I think Olimar's decreased Pikmin count is also a result of this, as I just can't see why they'd remove a unique factor to quite a few characters. It boggles my mind.

Sweet Greninja made it in, definitely my favorite Gen 6 pokemon.

I know some people wanted Swift Swim Carracosta or something but at the end of the day unless your Jiggypuff only the A-list pokemon make it in.

daibakuha:

Actually with the nerf to Stealth Rock, and Mega-Charizard X losing it's weakness, charizard has seen some competitive play recently.

Charizard-X is still weak to rock.

Charizard has always seen competitive play. Regardless of whether it's actually worth a shit in battle.

Charizard got 2 megas, which is more than every other pokemon save 1, Mewtwo. It's also the most popular starter and a version mascot for 2 games.

Once again, I'm already fully aware that Charizard is overrated and over-marketed, no more convincing needed.

Greninja is probably the most popular new pokemon from X/Y which is why he's included here.

I would argue that's Talonflame.

Sheen Lantern:

Charizard-X is still weak to rock.

2x instead of 4x, combined with the nerf to stealth rock means that it's far more competitive now than it has been previously.

Charizard has always seen competitive play. Regardless of whether it's actually worth a shit in battle.

Sheen Lantern:

Once again, I'm already fully aware that Charizard is overrated and over-marketed, no more convincing needed.

Then why are you even wondering why they did this? These games have always included popular characters to major franchises.

Sheen Lantern:

I would argue that's Talonflame.

I don't think so. If you follow the pokemon community at all, Greninja is one of, if not the most popular pokemon to be released in a long time.

I'm extremely excited for this game. I'm actually glad they made Charizard his own character - I didn't really care for Ivysaur and I only used Squirtle when it wasn't wise to use Charizard.

I AM disappointed at the lack of transformations, though. I don't mind not swapping between pokemon, but it does kind of suck to not be able to switch from Zelda to Sheik just whenever.

daibakuha:

Sheen Lantern:

Charizard-X is still weak to rock.

2x instead of 4x, combined with the nerf to stealth rock means that it's far more competitive now than it has been previously.

Unless you lead with Charizard, and the only reason you would want to do that is if you're doing that is if you're running Bellyzard, you're still going to have to switch in as Fire/Flying.

Then why are you even wondering why they did this?

Umm, I'm not. I'm expressing anger that they did.

I don't think so. If you follow the pokemon community at all

I do.

Greninja is one of, if not the most popular pokemon to be released in a long time.

One of, certainly. I still think Talonflame and Hawlucha are more generally loved.

Its like every time Nintendo realizes its not 2001 anymore they add a new character. Don't worry fanboys, NOW its good. Before? No, that was total crap. THIS is the real Smash Bros!

Sheen Lantern:

Umm, I'm not. I'm expressing anger that they did.

I know right? Why the hell are they forcing us to play these characters and not the ones we want to play.

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