Joss Whedon Is Making Avengers 2's Ultron Sound Awesome

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Joss Whedon Is Making Avengers 2's Ultron Sound Awesome

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Ultron is probably going to be a mentally ill robot with mommy/daddy issues, just like God intended.

With Captain America: The Winter Soldier an enormous hit, people are beginning to wonder when the Marvel Backlash is going to start. My money is on "not soon, unless Guardians is a terrible movie." But assuming Guardians of the Galaxy ends up being as awesome as we hope it is, another decent candidate for official start of the Marvel backlash is Avengers: Age of Ultron.

The sequel/attempt to capture lightning in a bottle a second time, currently under production, is a big operation. It has the 7 of the 8 core characters from the first film (Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Captain America and Nick Fury), is adding James Rhodes/Iron Patriot, Vision, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, there's a good chance it'll also include Anthony Mackie as Falcon, not to mention supporting characters like Pepper Potts and Maria Hill, and that's not even getting into the fact that Baron Strucker appears early in the film before Ultron takes over as the main villain. That's... a lot to cram into two and a half hours.

Fortunately, most of the characters above have already appeared in several films, which means we can at least count on the audience to know why Tony Stark or Thor act the way they do. Not so Ultron, who is not only one of the less well-known villains from the comics, but is also being seen for the first time in Avengers 2. (Loki, on the other hand, was also the deuteragonist of Thor.) To ground a film overstuffed with characters around a relative unknown character, director Joss Whedon and his cowriters are going to have to get things exactly right. Fortunately, at least judging what said in an interview with Empire magazine, he's got the matter well in hand.

I'm having a blast with Ultron. He's not a creature of logic - he's a robot who's genuinely disturbed. We're finding out what makes him menacing and at the same time endearing and funny and strange and unexpected, and everything a robot never is.

This is... genuinely awesome. Ultron is a weird character to try and turn into a compelling villain. He's basically an obsessive stalker with a serious Oedipal complex who is also something like a living computer virus. His schemes, already crazy when he debuted in the 60s, get gradually more and more over-complex and insane until he eventually takes over the world while somehow living in the future. It is batshit insanity in the best possible way.

Whedon seems to get how absurd (in an awesome way) the character is, and that's a great sign, especially since Ultron is being portrayed by the great James Spader. So what say you, commenters? Does Whedon's comment sound like the right track? And while we're at it, how do you feel about Ultron generally? Sound off in the forums.

Source: Empire Magazine, via Badass Digest.

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Hey, Ultron's already a decent villain for the Avengers. If they can make him compelling and interesting on a personal side as well, more the gooder.

To me the more I read about Avengers 2 the more I worry. Its just sounding too...Whedon. A little to in love with itself.
How best to put it...It sounds like the producers have already decided on our behalf that this movie is going to make a gazillion dollars so they told the Whedons to just do whatever. Don't bother keeping the tone or themes of the other Marvel movies, go full Michael Bay. Its not like those die hard Whedon fans aren't going to see this.
I guess my problem is that no matter what they do, its going to make SO much money that it won't matter if they put effort into it. They can make an Bay's Optimus Prime clone and still everyone in the world is going to see it. And I'm not sure anyone should be cut a blank check THAT big.

Silentpony:
To me the more I read about Avengers 2 the more I worry. Its just sounding too...Whedon. A little to in love with itself.
How best to put it...It sounds like the producers have already decided on our behalf that this movie is going to make a gazillion dollars so they told the Whedons to just do whatever. Don't bother keeping the tone or themes of the other Marvel movies, go full Michael Bay. Its not like those die hard Whedon fans aren't going to see this.
I guess my problem is that no matter what they do, its going to make SO much money that it won't matter if they put effort into it. They can make an Bay's Optimus Prime clone and still everyone in the world is going to see it. And I'm not sure anyone should be cut a blank check THAT big.

Eh, from everything I've heard about it, the one thing we definitely don't need to worry about is anyone phoning it in.

That's not to say it's guaranteed to be a good movie; after all, I could easily see this becoming a bit too "Whedon", for lack of a better phrase. Dude's almost certainly got all but absolute creative control, and some of his more annoying tendencies could easily run rampant since there's no one to stop him. I just don't think "well, we have all the money in the world, so fuck it we'll just make whatever" is going to be the result.

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Also, shame on you Escapist. I totally thought this article was gonna be about how they're doing fancy shit to Ultron's voice and that there'd be a soundbyte to show off about it.

Ah well, this is good news anyway.

Wait, since when was Ultron ever an obscure villain? He's right up there with Loki and Kang on the Avengers' usual To-Do list.

Also, it's funny when people talk about the "Marvel backlash". You do realize we're nine movies in, right? Marvel's already had its sophomore slump -- in the form of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk -- and it's survived. They've got the action-comedy-superheroics formula down pat, the way Michael Bay knows how to distract the world with tits and explosions.

Same day we get an announcement about Cyborg for Man of Steel 2 (aka Superman vs Batman aka it is really Justice League ) we get some news about Ultron. At this rate they will reveal the new Batman suit at the same time they reveal Black Panther's movie (he better get one Marvel...please!!).

But........he doesn't even look like ultron. I don't mind they change the aesthetic but you have to change it so that it's realistic and make sense while at the same time with on look it's recognizable.

Akiraking:
Same day we get an announcement about Cyborg for Man of Steel 2 (aka Superman vs Batman aka it is really Justice League ) we get some news about Ultron. At this rate they will reveal the new Batman suit at the same time they reveal Black Panther's movie (he better get one Marvel...please!!).

I disagree about a black panther movie, black panther just doesn't make sense as a concept, he was supposed to be from a secret advance city in africa, a continent with so much war and problem of its own and the only superhero there choose to help......americans? That just don't make SENSE!

Besides we already got Captain America, black widow and hawkeye....super heroes that doesn't have flashy super power. Black Panther would be a redundant that adds nothing to the story.

They don't need to add more heroes, what they need is more villains. Superheroes story is only as good as its villains, lex luther to superman, joker to batman, magneto to xmen etc.

romxxii:
Also, it's funny when people talk about the "Marvel backlash". You do realize we're nine movies in, right? Marvel's already had its sophomore slump -- in the form of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk -- and it's survived. They've got the action-comedy-superheroics formula down pat, the way Michael Bay knows how to distract the world with tits and explosions.

Even those weren't really slumps. Those were more along the lines of, "The first one was better, but that wasn't too bad, I guess." What we're all dreading is the box office bomb that critics universally despise. The Batman and Robin, if you will. The one that risks the whole franchise.

Hm...it does sound like the cast of characters is getting perhaps a bit too big. The Hobbit suffers from this, in that the extra dwarves don't get much of a chance to shine. But, the fact that many of these character have already been established in other movies, this could possibly work.
Also, it's entirely possible that some of these characters won't be in the entire movie, or just have side rolls. Hill was barely in The Avengers, but she still came off well and as a good character. So it can be done.
Just...when Avengers 3 comes around, trimming the character roster might be a good idea. Maybe at the end, have every single surviving Avenger all appear on screen together, but let's try to keep things reasonable.

Still looking forward to this and Guardians of the Galaxy like no other.

Nooners:

romxxii:
Also, it's funny when people talk about the "Marvel backlash". You do realize we're nine movies in, right? Marvel's already had its sophomore slump -- in the form of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk -- and it's survived. They've got the action-comedy-superheroics formula down pat, the way Michael Bay knows how to distract the world with tits and explosions.

Even those weren't really slumps. Those were more along the lines of, "The first one was better, but that wasn't too bad, I guess." What we're all dreading is the box office bomb that critics universally despise. The Batman and Robin, if you will. The one that risks the whole franchise.

Depending on who you ask, Iron Man 2 and/or 3 were already the first "bad" Marvel films. Some folks dislike Thor 2, as well. By contrast, I've seen people actually defend Batman and Robin as a great film. It's sorta pointless to base the franchise's "death" on a single film by this point, especially since bad reviews are rarely what sink a franchise. Heck, look at Spider-Man 3, which was originally gonna have a fourth film despite how genuinely awful it was. It only didn't get one because Raimi backed out, as did a number of the old cast members.

The one with the biggest risk to really "blow it" from a financial standpoint, at the moment, is Guardians of the Galaxy. It's by far the biggest "risk" of the bunch to date, with a significant tonal shift compared to most of the other films, and it features folks who most audiences won't recognize in any form. It'd be easy for them to botch it from a story standpoint, too, as some of the characters and cast are potentially off-putting. My hope, however, is that they knock it out of the park so hard that people stop panicking about the inevitable "bad" movie that will have to come along eventually.

There's always a "bad" egg. There's no real point in worrying about when it'll arrive, because it's obviously going to eventually.

Nooners:

Even those weren't really slumps. Those were more along the lines of, "The first one was better, but that wasn't too bad, I guess."

Iron Man 2 still made money its lukewarm reception from critics. Compare to The Incredible Hulk, whose global box office returns failed to exceed twice its budget. In industry terms, it lost money, and is definitely a box office failure. Thankfully, none of the succeeding Marvel movies have ever performed as poorly.

What we're all dreading is the box office bomb that critics universally despise. The Batman and Robin, if you will. The one that risks the whole franchise.

Critical panning won't do it; Even Iron Man 3's controversial plot points were nevertheless received well by majority of audiences and critics. IMHO, it's going to take a string of box office failures to take down the Marvel machine at this point.

CriticKitten:
The one with the biggest risk to really "blow it" from a financial standpoint, at the moment, is Guardians of the Galaxy. It's by far the biggest "risk" of the bunch to date, with a significant tonal shift compared to most of the other films, and it features folks who most audiences won't recognize in any form.

People forget that Iron Man was, at best, considered a third-string hero, and at worst, was unknown to anyone who hadn't picked up a comic. Yet here we are, nine films later, and he's headlining The Avengers. If GotG bombs, it's not because the "characters are obscure". More likely, it'll happen because, and I quote:

It'd be easy for them to botch it from a story standpoint, too, as some of the characters and cast are potentially off-putting.

Emphasis mine. If they fail to make it an engaging film, and fail to tap in to the knowledge they've acquired from making nine of these bad boys, then yes, it's possible that GotG will bomb.

I feel they need to focus more on creating good villains now. So far the only recurring villains have been Loki and HYDRA agents, while everyone else has been offed in their respective films. The cast of heroes grows larger, but the villains get no such time to truly develop their motivations or become more threatening over time.

In all fairness to Whedon, I feel like this is the thing he is actually good at; juggling worlds with characters who are all too large for the same screen. It's why the avengers work and its why his TV shows work. Its all his ordinary characters that seem to be he most worthless cannon fodder. I don't know where that stems from but it sounds like he'll do ok with this. Taking Whedon on his own merits this is kind of his wheel house.

Sniper Team 4:
Just...when Avengers 3 comes around, trimming the character roster might be a good idea.

Lucky for you, Avengers 3's plot will be all about "trimming" the cast. What with the inevitable villain for that movie.

OT:
Ultron is already one of the more interesting Avengers villains. So knowing Joss will give him beefier depth than he already has is gonna be tons of fun! Maybe making him a sort of Nega-Tony Stark, snarking it up as he smacks heroes into the dirt letting them know how f***ed they are logically...

Ultron is no joke man, I cannot wait for his debut.

romxxii:
Wait, since when was Ultron ever an obscure villain? He's right up there with Loki and Kang on the Avengers' usual To-Do list.

Also, it's funny when people talk about the "Marvel backlash". You do realize we're nine movies in, right? Marvel's already had its sophomore slump -- in the form of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk -- and it's survived. They've got the action-comedy-superheroics formula down pat, the way Michael Bay knows how to distract the world with tits and explosions.

You do realise that comics are obscure right? and that Ultron has never featured in a particularly successful cartoon either. The most likely place non-comic fans have come to know of Ultron is from the 'The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes' cartoon were he was one of the least interesting enemies.

I'm as cynic as you can get, thus the fartest from pledging allegiance to a brand or company. Just not so too long ago I was really jaded with how movies seemed cynical and calculated products for profit by CEO committees. I was through with movie theaters. But Marvel studios has really given me hope that some people make movies because they actually want to tell a story, to dazzle us with a marvelous yarn to spin. I can't but root for that spirit. Being somewhat of a geek and a nerd, but mostly a huge fan of creativity, I'm rooting for Marvel and Whedon to keep their hearts and brains brimming with passion to tell these wonderful stories of cosmos, courage and heroism.

I've never been much of a comic book guy, although I love to draw and write, but these movies ignited me curious about Guardians of The Galaxy, so I went back and read the whole 2008~9 to present run and it was fantastic. Seriously, it's some of the best, most endearing, dynamic, intelligent and clever storytelling I've found. I'm rooting for these guys so much. Not because I want to see a corporation make millions, or see a brand crush it's rival; I don't care for any of that: The more people telling good stories, the better for us all. I just want to see a movie that is engaging, fantastic, innovative and charming; made by people with passion, with a twinkle in their eye and their tongue firmly planted in their cheek.

These projects have rejuvenated the storyteller in me, they've brought me back to a place of gleeful, wide-eyed innocence where a film exists to tell a story that needs to be told by those who lovingly want to craft it. It's a childlike sense of wonder that I've long believed lost and I've recently recovered. How can I not root for these guys? These guys got me back to the movie theaters.

Also, James Spader as Ultron: Fuck yes. I'm on board.

PS: I had to look up "deuteragonist" and I'm so glad to have learned such a useful, fancy new word!

romxxii:
Wait, since when was Ultron ever an obscure villain? He's right up there with Loki and Kang on the Avengers' usual To-Do list.

Lets be honest here, we're talking obscure from a mainstream point of view, and none of those villians were known to anyone before now. Heck I didn't know who Ultron was before now, and I consider my geek card pretty well stamped. I thought we were still on queue to have Thanos as the villian. (I read DC). Lokis only so popular because Tom Hiddleson propelled him into the limelight.

Heck before the age of Whedon, the only character with any recognition was Spider Man, and The Hulk and Spideys not even part of the Whedon-verse. People /may/ have heard of Captain America, but not in the good way. Even the villians rosters are going to be hithertoo unknown before now. The only villains people would've been able to name were The Joker and Lex Luthor, the mainstream public don't exactly have comics on the brain.

Silentpony:
To me the more I read about Avengers 2 the more I worry. Its just sounding too...Whedon. A little to in love with itself.

if there is anything about Avengers 2 we dont need to worry about it is Whedon. Whedon was in love with sci-fi and comics throughout his career and he really has the talent to pull this off. He was finally given the chance to shine in big wig industry, and the result was best superhero movie of all time. So while it is hard to beat himself, phoning it in is certainly not going to be the case. not with Whedon on board.

Nooners:
The Batman and Robin, if you will. The one that risks the whole franchise.

Two words: Mr. Freeze. The rest of the movie can be whatever tud it was, Mr. Freeze alone is worth the watch.

Lucky for you, Avengers 3's plot will be all about "trimming" the cast. What with the inevitable villain for that movie.

Trimming in the Book/Wash sense?

Also its out on 24th April in the UK, and a week later in the US. Not sure why. Either way, only a year to go.

Would be cool if like 2/3 of the movie is only about ultron, don't even show our heroes just why is he so fucked up AND THEN EPIC FIGHTS ENSUE

I'm still looking forward to it, but, along with the character-cramming, that line about him possibly having mommy/daddy issues...worries me. I mean if he's got a good reason to be angry, fine, but I'm really hoping it's not something slapdash like "Nobody love me!" or "I'm a freak!" Come to think of it though, if that does end up happening, QS and SW will probably be the ones to talk him off the ledge so to speak.

Sniper Team 4:
Hm...it does sound like the cast of characters is getting perhaps a bit too big. The Hobbit suffers from this, in that the extra dwarves don't get much of a chance to shine. But, the fact that many of these character have already been established in other movies, this could possibly work.
Also, it's entirely possible that some of these characters won't be in the entire movie, or just have side rolls. Hill was barely in The Avengers, but she still came off well and as a good character. So it can be done.
Just...when Avengers 3 comes around, trimming the character roster might be a good idea. Maybe at the end, have every single surviving Avenger all appear on screen together, but let's try to keep things reasonable.

Still looking forward to this and Guardians of the Galaxy like no other.

I am inclined to agree with you on this. Having Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk, Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury, Maria Hill, the Vision, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (plus possibly War Machine and Falcon) really runs the risk of overkill. Granted, the Twins will probably start off working for HYDRA and switch sides after Baron von Strucker gets defeated, but even then you have what sounds like two separate villain plots for him and Ultron. Bloat is a very real concern at this point.

It probably won't matter too much in the future, though. I think we can expect Iron Man and Cap to be phased out a bit in the next, well, Phase, since their contracts are almost up. That's when they need the B-listers like Ant-Man, Black Panther and the Guardians of the Galaxy to take off, so they can hold the franchise in the absence of the heavy-hitters.

And then they need to make a Runaways movie. Because Runaways.

ExtraDebit:
But........he doesn't even look like ultron. I don't mind they change the aesthetic but you have to change it so that it's realistic and make sense while at the same time with on look it's recognizable.

You do know that every time Ultron has appeared, his look changed.

And while we are at it, if you are going to have Scott Lang as Ant-Man, can we get a glimpse of his daughter Cassie? You know, the girl who will be Stature. Then from there, I have two words, Young Justice.

Ultron is being portrayed by Alan Motherfucking Shore?!!

I want this movie to be released. Like, yesterday.

Truthfully I think Ultron will be fine, and I think they also have humble hopes when it comes to Guardians of the Galaxy. I think if it's a runaway success, they'll be surprised. They know it's a risk, and they're probably prepared if it doesn't do as good as the other movies. And to me it looks like they spent less money on big name actors and giant action shots in favor of keeping the budget down and making the movie 'feel' like what defines the comic.

Also, I had wondered how they were going to make another Hulk movie down the line, and why they waited so long to make another attempt (and I think it's happening after Avengers 2). I think the answer is in the plot of the Cap 2 movie. The Hulk was never going to run amok as long as SHIELD was around to keep and eye on him; they were always going to have several contingency plans if he lost control. Well... now SHIELD can't really watch him like that anymore, certainly not as well as they used to. This gives them an opportunity for Banner to be accosted much easier than before the big plot points in Cap 2. Banner might be mostly on his own now, and it sets the stage for him having to recklessly defend himself in another movie.

Soviet Heavy:
I feel they need to focus more on creating good villains now. So far the only recurring villains have been Loki and HYDRA agents, while everyone else has been offed in their respective films. The cast of heroes grows larger, but the villains get no such time to truly develop their motivations or become more threatening over time.

OT: Age of Ultron has the potential to be the epitome of a singular universe media endeavor. But also, at worst, it could be good. Win/win for Marvel in all honesty.

romxxii:
Wait, since when was Ultron ever an obscure villain? He's right up there with Loki and Kang on the Avengers' usual To-Do list.

Also, it's funny when people talk about the "Marvel backlash". You do realize we're nine movies in, right? Marvel's already had its sophomore slump -- in the form of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk -- and it's survived. They've got the action-comedy-superheroics formula down pat, the way Michael Bay knows how to distract the world with tits and explosions.

I didn't say obscure, I said relatively unknown. And I was, of course, speaking of moviegoers. I promise you that the vast majority of people going to see this movie won't really have a clue who Ultron is in the comics, and this will be his first appearance. As I said, Loki benefitted from being Thor's deuteragonist, so audiences were already familiar with him enough by The Avengers.

Am I the only one, or is there anyone else who thinks we actually saw the origin of Ultron already?

romxxii:
Iron Man 2 still made money its lukewarm reception from critics. Compare to The Incredible Hulk, whose global box office returns failed to exceed twice its budget. In industry terms, it lost money, and is definitely a box office failure.

"Failed to exceed twice its budget" does not mean it lost money, nor does it mean that the movie was a failure. Typically a movie whose gross box office figures exceed its budget is deemed "successful", not a failure.

People forget that Iron Man was, at best, considered a third-string hero, and at worst, was unknown to anyone who hadn't picked up a comic. Yet here we are, nine films later, and he's headlining The Avengers.

But that has far less to do with the "good writing" of the character and far more to do with the fact that RDJ was the selling point of the character of Iron Man.

Also, I'm not sure where in the world you got the idea that Iron Man was a "third-string hero" that was completely unknown to the public. It's always hilarious that people act like, before the RDJ movies, there was just zero cultural awareness of Iron Man whatsoever.

He had several runs of solo comics as well as appearances in virtually every major crossover story (where he often played a leading role), he was a founding member of the original Avengers, and that's not to mention the fact that he showed up in multiple TV shows, made decently regular appearances in any Marvel-based video game....yeah, under no circumstances could someone argue that Iron Man wasn't at least a remotely prominent character.

GotG, by comparison, is a far less well known series which carries virtually NONE of that background and is pretty much ONLY known to the comic book audience. Ergo the "obscurity" argument is totally valid here.

Akiraking:
the same time they reveal Black Panther's movie (he better get one Marvel...please!!).

2018 or 2019, by my calculations, unless Marvel actually DOES amp up their release schedule to 3 or 4 movies per year, as Kevin Feige has speculated they might.

medv4380:
Am I the only one, or is there anyone else who thinks we actually saw the origin of Ultron already?

No, that wasn't it. Ultron will almost certainly be a derivative of JARVIS.

Knocker:
And while we are at it, if you are going to have Scott Lang as Ant-Man, can we get a glimpse of his daughter Cassie? You know, the girl who will be Stature. Then from there, I have two words, Young Justice.

Young Avengers*

vid87:
that line about him possibly having mommy/daddy issues...worries me.

Those issues are what pretty much define Ultron as a character. His mind is based on Hank Pym, for which he has an irrational hatred, and he's in love with/obsessed with the Wasp - Hank's girlfriend/wife who is kinda Ultron's "mom".
Ultron is a really fucked up robot.

Strazdas:

Silentpony:
To me the more I read about Avengers 2 the more I worry. Its just sounding too...Whedon. A little to in love with itself.

if there is anything about Avengers 2 we dont need to worry about it is Whedon. Whedon was in love with sci-fi and comics throughout his career and he really has the talent to pull this off. He was finally given the chance to shine in big wig industry, and the result was best superhero movie of all time. So while it is hard to beat himself, phoning it in is certainly not going to be the case. not with Whedon on board.

Bingo. Whedon has actually written a good bit of comics for Marvel. He originally wrote an awful lot of the Wasp into the first Avengers, and kept having to reel it in so he didn't go overboard because he loves writing for her character - so it's safe to say Whedon knows his Ant-Man/Wasp/Ultron material.
And Whedon's been writing and refining Avengers 2 since Avengers 1 came out. Nothing about this is remotely phoned in.

Soviet Heavy:
I feel they need to focus more on creating good villains now. So far the only recurring villains have been Loki and HYDRA agents, while everyone else has been offed in their respective films. The cast of heroes grows larger, but the villains get no such time to truly develop their motivations or become more threatening over time.

Red Skull will be back.
Threads of Thanos have been building up since Thor, essentially.
The Mandarin and the Ten Rings have been building up since Iron Man.
The Kree are starting to pop up.
The Leader and the Hulkbusters are bound to show up in the Hulk sequel.

ExtraDebit:
But........he doesn't even look like ultron. I don't mind they change the aesthetic but you have to change it so that it's realistic and make sense while at the same time with on look it's recognizable.

A. That's probably an Ultron drone.
B. They've already said Ultron will change forms several times in the movie as he does his trademark upgrading to more powerful bodies.

romxxii:

Also, it's funny when people talk about the "Marvel backlash". You do realize we're nine movies in, right? Marvel's already had its sophomore slump -- in the form of Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk -- and it's survived. They've got the action-comedy-superheroics formula down pat, the way Michael Bay knows how to distract the world with tits and explosions.

Predicting the eventual downfall of a franchise is like predicting winter is coming. It's a safe and utterly unimpressive prediction that almost certainly will come true. It's very likely that people will eventually become disinterested in the Marvel movies. Bands will breakup, franchises will end, the price of stamps will soar ever higher....These aren't guarantees, but they are safe bets.

The most annoying part is that people will predict this for films to come--even if there are 500 successful Marvel films--and should the day come that they fail--even if it starts with the 501st Marvel film--people will act like they were freaking psychics.

ExtraDebit:

I disagree about a black panther movie, black panther just doesn't make sense as a concept, he was supposed to be from a secret advance city in africa, a continent with so much war and problem of its own and the only superhero there choose to help......americans? That just don't make SENSE!

Panther spends a lot of time dealing with the issues of Wakanda. But if we're talking sense, isn't it amazing that most of the global threats are not only local to America, but New York specifically? If I had super powers, and 99% of the world domination attempts started in Cambodia, wouldn't you expect me to be showing up in Cambodia a whole lot?

Sonicron:
Ultron is being portrayed by Alan Motherfucking Shore?!!

Yeah, but without Denny Crane, it won't be the same.

They had me sold on this when they cast Alan Shore as Ultron.

Strazdas:

Silentpony:
To me the more I read about Avengers 2 the more I worry. Its just sounding too...Whedon. A little to in love with itself.

if there is anything about Avengers 2 we dont need to worry about it is Whedon. Whedon was in love with sci-fi and comics throughout his career and he really has the talent to pull this off. He was finally given the chance to shine in big wig industry, and the result was best superhero movie of all time. So while it is hard to beat himself, phoning it in is certainly not going to be the case. not with Whedon on board.

Nooners:
The Batman and Robin, if you will. The one that risks the whole franchise.

Two words: Mr. Freeze. The rest of the movie can be whatever tud it was, Mr. Freeze alone is worth the watch.

Agreed, some people need to CHILL OUT!

We're talking about Joss Whedon. If there's anything he can get right, it's group dynamics. We are going to be fine here people.

I will also point out that no matter how hard a Marvel Movie tanks, there will always be DC movies, and Fox or Sony productions of Spidey and the X-men to make them seem awesome by comparison.

I doubt Marvel will flop too hard unless they decide to make X-Factor a thing. (Although, if they managed to do x-factor better than X-men I would Laugh myself literally to death.)

So long as they have this line in the movie I will be happy:

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Sounds like Joss is on the right track.

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