Alleged Con Man Blows Cash On Thousand Dollar Evony Addiction

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Alleged Con Man Blows Cash On Thousand Dollar Evony Addiction

David "Kawika" Buchanan of Hawaii's charged with wire fraud, and could get 20 years in prison.

David "Kawika" Buchanan of Molokai, Hawaii, who allegedly passed himself off as a financial advisor, is charged with wire fraud. In one instance he allegedly conned a woman into handing over $40,000, plus an additional $5,000 for taxes, claiming he could turn that money into $300,000, representing a 650% rate of return on her investment. According to the charges against him, Buchanan used the money for "personal travel, an online strategy video game called Evony, Western Union wire transfers to an internet girlfriend in the Philippines, online shopping, credit card payments and miscellaneous personal expenses of the defendant and the defendant's brother."

So how much was spent on online strategy title Evony, best known for its cleavage-heavy advertising? Well into the thousands of dollars, according to the FBI agent who investigated Buchanan. Agent Tom Simon describes Buchanan as a shut-in, and says cash was spent on Evony directly and via Facebook.

"As a middle-aged, admittedly square, FBI Special Agent who doesn't play video games, I was understandably perplexed when, during the 'follow the money' analysis, I kept seeing payments being made to something I'd never heard of called Evony," says Simon. "I was ... puzzled how anyone could possibly spend thousands of dollars on a video game. I wasn't being judgmental about the societal value of gaming. I was just dumbfounded that any video game could possibly cost that much."

Evony's reputation is not the best. It's been accused of using shady tactics to suck as much cash as possible out of its free-to-play model, harvesting user data, spamming marketing and partnering with Chinese gold farmers. It tried to sue one of its critics into silence, but dropped the case after only two days in court.

Buchanan is scheduled to appear in court on May 8th. Should he be found guilty, the statutory maximum is a 20 year sentence.

Source: Kotaku

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I like the way how that FBI-Man qualified his statements. Makes him sound competent to me.

So er... how does a guy like that trick someone out of a few hundred thousand dollars. Seriously I know people are daft but come on, heard the phrase 'too good to be true?'

650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

Wait wait wait. Are you telling me that not only is Evony a game that still exists, but people are still actually playing it and spending money on it? That's a shocker.

Wow, Evony still... exists? Wow. That's just depressing.

BigTuk:
650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

well, the fast credit firms do get 650% returns out of suckers that borrow money from them.
in fact jsut last year a law passed that their loan rate cannot legally go above 1500% and quite a few had to cut it down to comply. 1500% loan rate. and people use them.

Strazdas:

BigTuk:
650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

well, the fast credit firms do get 650% returns out of suckers that borrow money from them.
in fact jsut last year a law passed that their loan rate cannot legally go above 1500% and quite a few had to cut it down to comply. 1500% loan rate. and people use them.

Yeah but loans are risks. as in They're only worth something if the borrower actually you know, pays back.

BigTuk:
They're only worth something if the borrower actually you know, pays back.

Oh gods how I wish this was true, with all the deregulation that has gone on in the financial district you can make money out of literally nothing.

ohnoitsabear:
Wait wait wait. Are you telling me that not only is Evony a game that still exists, but people are still actually playing it and spending money on it? That's a shocker.

Someone Depressing:
Wow, Evony still... exists? Wow. That's just depressing.

Evony was just adhead of the curve. Shitty extortion mobile 'games' like Clash of Clans and it's many imitators are built with the same goals in mind of pressuring the player into paying real money for every step of Gameplay.

Well here they are games industry, your much sought after 'Free to play Whales'. You can't be a stable person and spend into the thousands on games like this, all their talk about these people misses the point hat they are often spending money their either don't have or is this case isn't even theirs.

**Slop clap** good job mobile gaming. You've officially caught up to open scam games and the the scum of the earth.

Ninmecu:

BigTuk:
They're only worth something if the borrower actually you know, pays back.

Oh gods how I wish this was true, with all the deregulation that has gone on in the financial district you can make money out of literally nothing.

Which explains so much about the current state of the global economy. Common sense. If someone promises you that kind of return ... it's a lie or illegal, or likely both. Because honestly if someone had a way to get that much of a return they wouldn't be talking to you... they'd have taken out a bank loan and invested that. with that level of return the yield vastly outstrips the cost. If you borrow 40K and get back 240K you've pretty much walked out with a mint after 1 iteration and you can use the 100K of your 200K profit to invest in the next iteration and get 600K.

See, people who have the ability to spin chafffe into gold likely wouldn't want to share that with anyone.

I guess this is the end for Evony then.

Like when half of the liquor stores on Boston closed down after Teddy Kennedy died.

BigTuk:
So er... how does a guy like that trick someone out of a few hundred thousand dollars. Seriously I know people are daft but come on, heard the phrase 'too good to be true?'

650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

Wow, that's not racist at all...

Floppertje:

BigTuk:
So er... how does a guy like that trick someone out of a few hundred thousand dollars. Seriously I know people are daft but come on, heard the phrase 'too good to be true?'

650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

Wow, that's not racist at all...

No it's pretty factual from what I hear. If you look vaguely muslim in the US and start quoting the quaran in an airport you will become very familiar with rubber gloves. You're also likely going to be walking to where ever you were planning on flying to.

BigTuk:

Ninmecu:

BigTuk:
They're only worth something if the borrower actually you know, pays back.

Oh gods how I wish this was true, with all the deregulation that has gone on in the financial district you can make money out of literally nothing.

Which explains so much about the current state of the global economy. Common sense. If someone promises you that kind of return ... it's a lie or illegal, or likely both. Because honestly if someone had a way to get that much of a return they wouldn't be talking to you... they'd have taken out a bank loan and invested that. with that level of return the yield vastly outstrips the cost. If you borrow 40K and get back 240K you've pretty much walked out with a mint after 1 iteration and you can use the 100K of your 200K profit to invest in the next iteration and get 600K.

See, people who have the ability to spin chafffe into gold likely wouldn't want to share that with anyone.

That's why I find the "Science of Economics" so god damned funny. Unlike other fields of science which develop more complex theories and methodologies to analyze things they couldn't have imagined without the more advanced theories developed, the economics field creates complexity simply to hide from common knowledge how certain things work. Watch a few interviews where people ask how certain aspects of the financial market work, they either dodge the question entirely or simply laugh it off and try and change the subject. It's lamentable to me that we still rely on Fractal Reserve Banking. But that's a whole other issue.

BigTuk:

Floppertje:

BigTuk:
So er... how does a guy like that trick someone out of a few hundred thousand dollars. Seriously I know people are daft but come on, heard the phrase 'too good to be true?'

650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

Wow, that's not racist at all...

No it's pretty factual from what I hear. If you look vaguely muslim in the US and start quoting the quaran in an airport you will become very familiar with rubber gloves. You're also likely going to be walking to where ever you were planning on flying to.

Except the way you phrased it, it comes across as if you're implying a muslim reciting the Quran in an airport terminal SHOULD set off the alarm.

Poorly put.

Karloff:
Union wire transfers to an internet girlfriend in the Philippines

Karloff:
Agent Tom Simon describes Buchanan as a shut-in

That is some prime fedora-tipping material, right there.

So, we got a con-man who is a fucking idiot and a non-gamer FBI agent who is not being judgmental of games even with an example as horrible as this, which I like.
I want a movie about these guys.

Lieju:

BigTuk:

Floppertje:

Wow, that's not racist at all...

No it's pretty factual from what I hear. If you look vaguely muslim in the US and start quoting the quaran in an airport you will become very familiar with rubber gloves. You're also likely going to be walking to where ever you were planning on flying to.

Except the way you phrased it, it comes across as if you're implying a muslim reciting the Quran in an airport terminal SHOULD set off the alarm.

Poorly put.

Eh? Not sure how you got a should out of that.

You know, if someone took my money, I'd at least want them to spend it on something awesome, like fast cars, cocaine and trips to Vegas. This would just be the turd-flavoured icing on a shit cake.

20 years for defrauding 45.000 dollars? Outrageous. And in the meantime, people who've damaged the entire economy, defrauded for billions and caused harm to countless people everywhere get away with basically nothing. I honestly hope this guy doesn't get anywhere near that high a punishment.

Well...at the agent seems like a smart guy. Don't worry Mr.FBI, I don't get it either, at least, definitely not a game like that. I'm glad someone isn't jumping on the "I don't play video games, so therefore they must be evil as a whole" bandwagon. Was this case of spending a lot of money on a game bad? Yes. Is it reflective of all gaming? No. And it's nice to see that guy might understand that.

This kind of reminds me of those politicians and preachers who spend thousands of dollars on "Porn addiction". You know Mr. con-man, there are these games called Age of Empires and Civilization, if you wanted to play a game like that you can get older ones for free or just pay the 10-20 it takes for a modern strategy game. There are cheap solutions to your cravings.

I think this all boils down to if you spend that much money on something that is cheap or even can be free you are an idiot who is terrible with money.

So am I, comrade Agent. So am I.

If he had spent the corresponding amount on booze, women and fine dining, it'd at least have stimulated the local economy a bit, but I dread to think where exactly the Evonymoney goes.

Floppertje:

BigTuk:
So er... how does a guy like that trick someone out of a few hundred thousand dollars. Seriously I know people are daft but come on, heard the phrase 'too good to be true?'

650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

Wow, that's not racist at all...

Islam is not a race.

Back on topic though, thousands of dollars on Evony? He could have at least picked a better game... I wonder if the FBI agent tried it to see what the fuss was about.

BigTuk:

Floppertje:

BigTuk:
So er... how does a guy like that trick someone out of a few hundred thousand dollars. Seriously I know people are daft but come on, heard the phrase 'too good to be true?'

650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

Wow, that's not racist at all...

No it's pretty factual from what I hear. If you look vaguely muslim in the US and start quoting the quaran in an airport you will become very familiar with rubber gloves. You're also likely going to be walking to where ever you were planning on flying to.

SHOULD is the operative word here. Someone reciting the quaran SHOULD set of no more alarms than someone reciting a bible.

Isra:

Islam is not a race.

Fine, it's discrimanatory. Either way it's not cool.

Evony still exist...
I guess the tactic of misleading clickbait boob and skimpy women ads actually is working for them pretty well.
that actually working is quite sad.

"As a middle-aged, admittedly square, FBI Special Agent who doesn't play video games, I was understandably perplexed when, during the 'follow the money' analysis, I kept seeing payments being made to something I'd never heard of called Evony," says Simon. "I was ... puzzled how anyone could possibly spend thousands of dollars on a video game. I wasn't being judgmental about the societal value of gaming. I was just dumbfounded that any video game could possibly cost that much."

Jesus, that quote was amazing.

In any case, I'm glad they caught the guy but, seriously, how in the hell does someone spend thousands on a game and not start to feel at least a little bit like shit. The number of things this dude could've done with that stolen money and he pisses it away on Evony.

Floppertje:

BigTuk:

Floppertje:

Wow, that's not racist at all...

No it's pretty factual from what I hear. If you look vaguely muslim in the US and start quoting the quaran in an airport you will become very familiar with rubber gloves. You're also likely going to be walking to where ever you were planning on flying to.

SHOULD is the operative word here. Someone reciting the quaran SHOULD set of no more alarms than someone reciting a bible.

Isra:

Islam is not a race.

Fine, it's discrimanatory. Either way it's not cool.

Geez must be tough being a comedian in the US. Can't tell a joke without offending someone.. well unless it;s a heterosexual white male between the ages of 18 and 42 apparently. Most folks would have just chuckled at the sarcasm.

Mega Messiah:
"As a middle-aged, admittedly square, FBI Special Agent who doesn't play video games, I was understandably perplexed when, during the 'follow the money' analysis, I kept seeing payments being made to something I'd never heard of called Evony," says Simon. "I was ... puzzled how anyone could possibly spend thousands of dollars on a video game. I wasn't being judgmental about the societal value of gaming. I was just dumbfounded that any video game could possibly cost that much."

Jesus, that quote was amazing.

In any case, I'm glad they caught the guy but, seriously, how in the hell does someone spend thousands on a game and not start to feel at least a little bit like shit. The number of things this dude could've done with that stolen money and he pisses it away on Evony.

It does raise the old question: if you're the only sane man in an insane world, is it in fact you who is insane?

If I was a complete sociopath, do you know what I'd do? Set up an online "bingo" site in the Caymans somewhere. At least there are laws regulating how much money slot machines in casinos pay out.

TheMadDoctorsCat:

Mega Messiah:
"As a middle-aged, admittedly square, FBI Special Agent who doesn't play video games, I was understandably perplexed when, during the 'follow the money' analysis, I kept seeing payments being made to something I'd never heard of called Evony," says Simon. "I was ... puzzled how anyone could possibly spend thousands of dollars on a video game. I wasn't being judgmental about the societal value of gaming. I was just dumbfounded that any video game could possibly cost that much."

Jesus, that quote was amazing.

In any case, I'm glad they caught the guy but, seriously, how in the hell does someone spend thousands on a game and not start to feel at least a little bit like shit. The number of things this dude could've done with that stolen money and he pisses it away on Evony.

It does raise the old question: if you're the only sane man in an insane world, is it in fact you who is insane?

If I was a complete sociopath, do you know what I'd do? Set up an online "bingo" site in the Caymans somewhere. At least there are laws regulating how much money slot machines in casinos pay out.

And here I'd do something like jet ski skydiving.

They're usually pretty persistent catching people when it comes to wire fraud. It can be a bit slow sometimes, but they usually inevitably end up caught. May as well do something you'll never be able to do otherwise with that cash.

Must be a poor Con-man is he gets tricked by the Evony makers.
Wait... Evony still exists?

Please, please, PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one who got an Evony ad when I opened this page on Firefox...

Exterminas:
I like the way how that FBI-Man qualified his statements. Makes him sound competent to me.

If only Fox News could do that, eh? =D

ohnoitsabear:
Wait wait wait. Are you telling me that not only is Evony a game that still exists, but people are still actually playing it and spending money on it? That's a shocker.

I concur! And for that matter, why Evony? Why not a GOOD Free-To-Play game, like Battle Nations?

Wow, is Evony even an actual game? I thought if I clicked an ad it would just take me to a gallery of photos of attractive women and make me pay by credit card to view the next one.

Honestly though, I am a bit dumbfounded myself as to how one spends thousands of dollars in F2P transactions. In Warframe or TF2 or something like that you would be set for life well before a thousand dollars. But no doubt Evony has some sort of ridiculously overpriced option for these people.

Exterminas:
I like the way how that FBI-Man qualified his statements. Makes him sound competent to me.

Agreed, it was good to see someone who isn't into games nor knows much about them have a rational view of what he's discovered. Defiantly an unusual amount of money spent on the game, I'd never spend anything like that myself.

BigTuk:

Strazdas:

BigTuk:
650% Return....be serious. No seriously. be serious.. if someone comes with a deal *that* good that should set off alarms like muslim reciting the quaran in an airport terminal.

well, the fast credit firms do get 650% returns out of suckers that borrow money from them.
in fact jsut last year a law passed that their loan rate cannot legally go above 1500% and quite a few had to cut it down to comply. 1500% loan rate. and people use them.

Yeah but loans are risks. as in They're only worth something if the borrower actually you know, pays back.

In theory, yes. in practice, some loads are lost, some are insured, some are extorted back. while the quick loan with this percentage usually dont have this, the regular bank loans are insured to the point where if you fail to pay back they actually get more out of it.

Ninmecu:

That's why I find the "Science of Economics" so god damned funny. Unlike other fields of science which develop more complex theories and methodologies to analyze things they couldn't have imagined without the more advanced theories developed, the economics field creates complexity simply to hide from common knowledge how certain things work. Watch a few interviews where people ask how certain aspects of the financial market work, they either dodge the question entirely or simply laugh it off and try and change the subject. It's lamentable to me that we still rely on Fractal Reserve Banking. But that's a whole other issue.

I dont know how much of a "Scientist" you would consdier me, but i got a bachelors in economics with masters in accounting, so i experienced the "Science" for many years. I would like to disagree with that completely. In fact ALL our current economic models are simplified to be understood more easily in comparison to more complex reality, which often lead to not precise prognosis of course. the problem is that the real life market invents new tricks to avoid being caught in simplified models, hence we can sometimes be blind to coming problems (our models are too simple). another problem, that is HUGE, is that economics "Science" is extremely politicized. you could prove with facts that raising tax X would be beneficial in the long run, but the guy wants to be reelected in 6 months and wont do it.
financial market is a cancer of economy really. the speculation part of it is anyway. its made there for sole purpose to make money out of nothing and runs on hearsay more than anything else. its hard to explain how it works in practice is because its hard to explain humans. thats like trying to explain human psychology without getting into terminology - wont happen. I do agree that a lot of "public people" dodge questions about it, for what i can only assume is their personal motivation. there is also a lot more inner disagreement here. to pick a popular example, whole economy community is basically split into Smithsonian and Keynesian economy view of life, and thants to piliticizing it goes as far as "your dumb to believe that when i believe another" almost to the level of people who use "liberal" as an insult. see, the problem with economy is that unlike, say, physics, its changing all the time and inventing new things, whereas physics are mostly static. yes there are brekathroughs, but its not like somone is going to invent a imaginarry product that will disable gravity at will in a year. on the other hand they managed to invent a nonexisting product that caused the crysis of 2008 within couple years.

tl;dr do not underestimate science of economy.

Isra:

Floppertje:

Wow, that's not racist at all...

Islam is not a race.

Ironically, racism isnt all about race. Legally, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.{source}

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