Chilean Newspaper Lists Shenmue, Okami as Part of "Worst Games of All-Time"

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Chilean Newspaper Lists Shenmue, Okami as Part of "Worst Games of All-Time"

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Chilean "videogame experts" Marco Bocaz and Tomás Cofré includes Shenmue and Okami in Chilean newspaper Las Ultimas Noticias' "Top 10 worst games of all-time" list.

While gamers around the world have different tastes, most of the time, a good game is considered good regardless of which part of the world the player is in. Apparently, that might not be the case in Chile -- at least according to the two "video game experts" entrusted by Chilean newspaper Las Ultimas Noticias (LUN) to run its "Top 10 Worst Games of All-Time" list. Just this weekend, the newspaper ran a piece about Microsoft's search for the E.T. cartridges. Given that the game was one of the catalysts for the big video game crash of the 80s, well, it's safe to say that the game wasn't a paragon of good video game design. Coinciding with this, the so-called experts who teach video games in Chile -- Marco Bocaz and Tomás Cofré -- have compiled the ten worst video games in history and for some reason, have included both Shenmue and Okami in the list.

1. ET (Atari - 1982)
2. Pac Man (Atari - 1982) *cites bugs for this version as to why it's included*
3. Desert Bus (Sega - 1995)
4. Grim Fandango (LucasArts - 1998)
5. Shenmue (Sega - 1999)
6. Daikatana (Eidos - 2000)
7. Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (Stellas Stone - 2003)
8. Psychonauts (Double Fine - 2005) Ufff...
9. Okami (Clover Studio - 2006) Just unbelievable...
10. Duke Nukem Forever (Gearbox - 2011)

As if including Shenmue and Okami weren't bad enough, the list also includes Pac Man and Double Fine's Psychonauts, too. Granted, taste is subjective, but it's hard to believe that SEGA's highly revered action game is worse than say, Aliens: Colonial Marines. For reference, over on Metacritic, Shenmue is sitting at an impressive 88 average, while it's user rating is at an astounding 9.7 average. As for Capcom's Okami, the PS2 version has nested itself at a very impressive 93 average, with users rating the Clover Studios-developed action-adventure game at 9.3. Before you label Chilean gamers as having bad taste, keep in mind that not every Chilean gamer is on the same boat. Over on NeoGAF where the finding was posted by maltrain, he cites that "every Chilean gamer" disagrees with this crappy ranking. You can check out Tomás Cofré's explanation over on his Facebook page if you wish.

Do you agree with the list that these ten games are the worst of all time? If not, what would your top ten be? And please don't tell me that includes Shenmue or Okami, too, alright?

Source: LUN via NeoGAF

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Alex did you really just fall for the click bait article? Are you going to post controversial top 10 blogs as news now as well? Or are you trying to create a click bait article?

One industry darling, maybe. But 4 on one list!?

These guys are just straight up trolling, there's no other way. Even if you don't like Okami, seriously naming it a worse game than Duke Nukem Forever makes me question your sanity.

Alex Co:

Do you agree with the list that these ten games are the worst of all time? If not, what would your top ten be? And please don't tell me that includes Shenmue or Okami, too, alright?

Mine would include, maybe ET, most likely Big Rigs and possibly one of the new mobile "remakes" of older games. (See Dungeon Keeper ect...) I guess if you wanted to make an honest "worst ten games" list it would be filled with ten games that are simply not playable.

But srsly, unless that "videogame expert" played nothing else but those ten games in his lifetime, this list has 0 justification. Yes, taste is subjective, but saying you don't like a certain game is something completely different from saying that game is bad, or even one of the worst games ever made.
That whole article is probably just click bait or something.

Obviously a troll or clickbait. Every game on there is either undeniable shit, or a cult classic. There's no faster way to get those clicks than to say a cult classic is garbage.

Eric the Orange:
Alex did you really just fall for the click bait article? Are you going to post controversial top 10 blogs as news now as well? Or are you trying to create a click bait article?

Oh, not really. Just wanted to post something entertaining on weekends. :) I mean, it's not like the people who made the list are your usual gamers, since they teach video games for a living and all that. Just curious why they'd even include those two in the list at all and thought other people might feel the same. =)

Mojo:

Alex Co:

Do you agree with the list that these ten games are the worst of all time? If not, what would your top ten be? And please don't tell me that includes Shenmue or Okami, too, alright?

Mine would include, maybe ET, most likely Big Rigs and possibly one of the new mobile "remakes" of older games.
(See Dungeon Keeper ect...)

But srsly, unless that "videogame expert" played nothing else but those ten games in his lifetime, this list has 0 justification. Yes, taste is subjective, but saying you don't like a certain game is something completely different from saying that game is bad, or even one of the worst games ever made.
That whole article is probably just click bait or something.

Yeah, I agree. It made me my head spin. Maybe that's their intention all along? But for two so-called experts who teach video games, that's highly unprofessional if so, no?

If this is not trollbait, it seems like this list counts commercial failures as bad games. In which case yes, Okami, Psychonauts, and Shenmue sadly all qualify.

Edit: as does Grim Fandango for that matter. So this is 6 bad games, and 4 commercial failures that nearly broke their studios.

Anyone that labels Psychonauts as worse than Duke Nukem Forever is an idiot...not just an idiot, but an ignorant idiot that's worse than those politicians who try to ban videogames to "save the children". YES! They're that stupid. Sorry, but truth hurts. These "experts" are nowhere near expert enough to judge the stench of their own farts, let alone videogames.

Eric the Orange:
Alex did you really just fall for the click bait article? Are you going to post controversial top 10 blogs as news now as well? Or are you trying to create a click bait article?

+1. When you're looking to the Chilean equivalent of the New York Post or the Daily Mail as your source to write click-bait articles, you know you're getting a bit too desperate!

>says a game isn't that bad
>cites metacritic

>Why the hell am I using greentext on a non-4chan website?

Eric the Orange:
Alex did you really just fall for the click bait article? Are you going to post controversial top 10 blogs as news now as well? Or are you trying to create a click bait article?

Dude, this has been a thing for a while now. I remember some article where the title proclaimed that Miyazaki hates weeaboos and said they need to get a life. In the linked video, however, he just said that inspiration comes from exploration and a lot of anime creators are anime fans who rely on what they've seen for inspiration instead of something new. I'm paraphrasing, but the point stands: Stick to the editorials and webcomics and you won't be disappointed.

Signa:
Obviously a troll or clickbait. Every game on there is either undeniable shit, or a cult classic. There's no faster way to get those clicks than to say a cult classic is garbage.

Hell one if them is not even a game. It's a mini game of another game, that is suppose to be bad.
And yea this is just click bate.

EDIT: On a side note, they have an uncredited photo in there from LRR

Alex Co:

Yeah, I agree. It made me my head spin. Maybe that's their intention all along? But for two so-called experts who teach video games, that's highly unprofessional if so, no?

Oh, absolutely. Who knows what was going on in their heads when they wrote that article.

Listing Desert Bus seems like cheating. It's a small part of Smoke and Mirrors, which wasn't even officially released.

But yeah, clickbait. Aaaand I fell for it. I'll go sit in the Corner of Shame now.

Oh, wait till Daystar sees this...
Armies will be shattered
Worlds will burn

If anybody cares to inspect the list up close you'll notice that the ranking is based chronologically.

1) ET (1982)
2) Pac Man (1982)
3) Desert Bus (1996)
4) Grim Fandango (1998)
5) Shenmue (1999)
6) Daikatana (2000)
7) Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (2003)
8) Psychonauts (2005)
9) Okami (2006)
10) Duke Nukem Forever (2011)

Another good reason not to take the list seriously.

Four of these could potentially be on a top 10 games list. Grim Fandango has no business being on this list either - even if you hate point and click adventure there are plenty of games in that genre worse than Grim Fandango. Is there a translated version of Thomas Cofre's explanation somewhere?

In case anyone was wondering Las Ultimas Noticias appears to deal with legitimate news. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_%C3%9Altimas_Noticias "Middle market", so maybe not the highest of caliber, but also not the kind of publication I'd expect to print intentionally slanted material just to get some extra clicks.

>Worst games of all time
>Psychonauts
>Psychonauts
>Fucking Psychonauts on the "Worst games of all time"

Alright. I just can't leave it like that, can I? Looks like I'm buying an axe and a ticket to Chile!

*Eye twitch*

I see...

No, no, it's grand, I'll just be over here.

Shattering armies...

Burning worlds...

Agree with the first three (Although with desert bus that's kind of the point). It's when I saw Grim Fandango I realized why people were pissed.

I'm looking at the Facebook comments and apparently this newspaper is the Chilean equivalent of the Daily Mail or Mirror. Make of that what you will.

Just to clear something up, listing Pac-Man for the Atari is justified, and pretty standard for these lists - it was a broken mess in the same vein as ET:

But yeah, the rest just makes it look like the guy's trying to look edgy. Then again, when asked my least favourite games I say Metroid: Other M and BioShock, so it's whatever :P

Roander:
Four of these could potentially be on a top 10 games list. Grim Fandango has no business being on this list either - even if you hate point and click adventure there are plenty of games in that genre worse than Grim Fandango. Is there a translated version of Thomas Cofre's explanation somewhere?

Tomás has replied on FB.

https://www.facebook.com/LasUltimasNoticias/photos/a.231372700297148.37376.231350380299380/485333034901112/?type=1

He says that he was interviewed by the magazine as a gaming dev, and did not have a hand in writing or co-writing the article. He publishes the questions they sent and the answers he gave back. I don't feel like translating the entire post, it's pretty hefty, but summing it up:

1) He talks about the 1983 game crash.

2) He mentions some of the worst videogames in history are ET "of course", Daikatana - mentioning its "insulting publicities" but nothing regarding the game - and Duke Nukem Forever, "a frankly embarrassing" product that took 15 years to develop.

3) When asked about Desert Bus he explains what we all know, that it was part of a game pack that never got an official release. He also mentions Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.

4) He gives reasons as to why Atari buried the ET cartridges.

Bottom line is Tomás Cofré didn't come up with a Top Worst list for videogames. He was interviewd on a number of subjects and only mentioned ET, Daikatana, Duke Nukem Forever and Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing as being horrible. He does NOT mention Shenmue, Okami, Psychonauts, Pac Man or Grim Fandango at any point.

We have to assume the other guy credited for the article (Marco Bocaz) came up with the other nominees, and/or the magazine just drew names off the "worst commercial failures" bag as a means of quickly coming up with a story in light of the Atari burial site reveal. If you read the actual article you'll notice most of it is about the big reveal of the ET burial site cartridges and the gaming crash of '83. The ranking seems like poorly researched filler.

Top three worst video game experts of all time:

1. Marco Bocaz
2. Tomás Cofré
3. Michael Pachter (Couldn't resist...)

As a Chilean, let me clarify a few points:
*Las Ultimas Noticias can only charitably be called a newspaper, it's more like a tabloid- a print version of something like buzzfeed.

*Tomás Cofré's contrubitions to the article were intelligent and well informed- the link in this article to his Facebook explanation (in spanish, being Chile) isn't controversial at all, he explains the 1983 Atari games crash, some of the biggest failures in videogames (he mentions E.T., Daikatana and Duke Nukem Forever), and mentions that another game on the list (Big Rigs) was really awful. That's it, there's no mention whatsoever of Shenmue, Psychonauts, Okami or Pacman; so he at least should be innocent of that abortion of a list.

*No, Chilean gamers don't agree with the list at all. I mean, I never thought much of Psychonauts or Okami, they just weren't my style, but I'd never include them in a top 10 worst games of all time, that's where you put games like Earth: Year 2066, Aliens: Colonial Marines, or Half-Life 2 (I kid, I kid)

MazokuRanma:
Top three worst video game experts of all time:

1. Marco Bocaz
2. Tomás Cofré
3. Michael Pachter (Couldn't resist...)

Duuuude read my post above yours. All Cofré did was say ET, Daikatana and Duke Nukem Forever suck.

It make me wonder how much of a nerdrage it would take for those two to make a rebuttal to their top 10 decisions.

Disregarding this being blatantly obvious clickbait that really doesn't deserve being covered on a respectable gaming website, yeah, the list is garbage.

That said, I can understand calling Shenmue a bad game. I enjoyed it but depending on your criteria as a game I can easily see it ranking in the "not good" category. I can also totally understand calling out Pac-Man. It, like many other "classics," were good for their time but just don't hold up as more than a few minute diversion today. Neither, however, are games I would ever consider putting on a "worst ever" list.

Well, obviously, these people are fecking morons. Even taking popular opinion of Duke Nukem into account, DNF doesn't belong there, because there are games that are just absolute unworkable shit out there. Where's Colonel Marines? Where's Cosmic Race? Where's that one that TotalBiscuit was in a fight over?Gimmer a royal ass break.

I wish the article states what's so bad about Okami.* I mean, the ratio of actual gameplay to unskippable, snail-paced cut scenes can make playing it feel like a goddamned endurance test sometimes, but top ten worst games of all time?

*unless it does actually say what's so bad about Okami, in which case I wish it would say so in English so I can understand it

I'm a bit curious how the author of the escapist article missed mentioning Grim Fandango, which is a game of arguably superior quality to Shenmue or Okami (though a different genre)?

Grim Fandango was one of the greatest point and click adventure games.....I would pretty much like to know their rationale on putting this game on their list.

JimB:
I wish the article states what's so bad about Okami.* I mean, the ratio of actual gameplay to unskippable, snail-paced cut scenes can make playing it feel like a goddamned endurance test sometimes, but top ten worst games of all time?

*unless it does actually say what's so bad about Okami, in which case I wish it would say so in English so I can understand it

This article hit me because after years of being told Okami was the crown of the PS2, I just bought Okami HD for the PS3 yesterday, and have had to walk away after 2 hours of play. The obnoxious character "voices" and the constant pressing of X for 20 minutes before you even get to play the game.

Oh, but wait you walk 3 steps into a tree-cave enterance and "whoa there buddy, that's enough excitement for you, here have another cut-scene"

I hope the combat improves as it's currently just the same "mash one button" approach. And even for a tutorial section the opening was holding my hand so tightly I could feel the circulation being cut off.

Once my blood-pressure's gone down I'll attempt another 2 hours and pray it gets as good as people say because I don't want to have lost £10.

It's not the worst game I've ever played, but from my early experience it's far from even some of the "good" games I've played.

You know, Okami keeps grabbing my eye in the PSN store. I'm glad this list came along and dissuaded me from wasting my money on it....

Daystar Clarion:
*Eye twitch*

I see...

No, no, it's grand, I'll just be over here.

Shattering armies...

Burning worlds...

Oh? Are you a fan of one of these games or something?

erbkaiser:
If this is not trollbait, it seems like this list counts commercial failures as bad games. In which case yes, Okami, Psychonauts, and Shenmue sadly all qualify.

Edit: as does Grim Fandango for that matter. So this is 6 bad games, and 4 commercial failures that nearly broke their studios.

Okami got a DS sequel and an HD remaster. Do they do that for commercial failures?

This is aa serious question, BTW, because if it was really a failure it seems counter-intuitive to make an HD re-release.

I don't know about the rest. Okami's the only one I've paid even remote attention to.

Johnny Novgorod:
If anybody cares to inspect the list up close you'll notice that the ranking is based chronologically.

1) ET (1982)
2) Pac Man (1982)
3) Desert Bus (1996)
4) Grim Fandango (1998)
5) Shenmue (1999)
6) Daikatana (2000)
7) Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (2003)
8) Psychonauts (2005)
9) Okami (2006)
10) Duke Nukem Forever (2011)

Another good reason not to take the list seriously.

Are you kidding? That's the best reason TO take it seriously. Old games, frankly, suck more than newer ones!

I don't think Shenmue or Psychonauts are near being the worst games ever, but persoally i on't think any of the games are particularily good. Psychonauts is a poorly made platformer with questionable art direction that just happens to have a decent and inventive Story/World, but not anything that really caught my interest. Shnmue is just a bit boring, in my eyes, too many QTE, too much work and the story is slow and dull. I liked fighting, but then i might as well just play Virtua Fighter, then i don't have to deal with all the less interesting stuff.

But what's the point of revealing a list if we don't get their arguments? I can see why some people would cite these games as bad and i can see why some people would disagree. The only interesting thing about a list like this would be the arguments else we're just gonna end with a thread where people call them out for being incompetent or whatever.

ExtraDebit:
Grim Fandango was one of the greatest point and click adventure games.....I would pretty much like to know their rationale on putting this game on their list.

Click bait, or maybe it wasn't translated into Spanish properly...Or maybe a chilian writer didn't like the Mexian atmosphere....Either way it's an amateurs attempt to write a gaming list....

...Wait, someone wrote a shitty top-10 list that would never be read. And it appeared on the Escapist, I see who the real click baiters are here!!!

It must be a slow news day at the escapist if a clickbait Top Ten article from Chile is worthy of a story simmering with indignant outrage.

EDIT: In fact, after reading Johnny Novgorod's post, maybe you should think about removing the sarcastic inverted commas from the description of the pair as gaming experts.

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