Nintendo Says No To Same Sex Relationships For Tomodachi Miis

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Nintendo Says No To Same Sex Relationships For Tomodachi Miis

Your friends, your drama, your life, but no social commentary please, says Nintendo.

Tomodachi Life - "your friends, your drama, your life" - suffered from a bug back in 2013 that effectively enabled same sex marriage between miis, or at least the closest facsimile of it. Nintendo patched that out; "human relations become strange," as Nintendo described it, wasn't supposed to be on the menu, and besides it broke the game. The Western Tomodachi is due in June, and some fans have been calling for same sex mii marriage to be included. Nintendo has refused, saying it never intended to make any form of social commentary with its 3DS title.

"The relationship options in the game represent a playful alternate world rather than a real-life simulation," says Nintendo. "We hope that all of our fans will see that Tomodachi Life was intended to be a whimsical and quirky game, and that we were absolutely not trying to provide social commentary." Nintendo points out that same sex mii relationships weren't coded into the Japanese original, and its Western version is based on that same code.

Except avoiding the social commentary angle isn't as easy as Nintendo would like to believe. "It's more of an issue for this game because the characters are supposed to be a representation of your real life," says Tye Marini, one of the loudest voices calling for same sex Miiquality. "You import your personalized characters into the game. You name them. You give them a personality. You give them a voice. They just can't fall in love if they're gay."

Nintendo has said it will continue to listen and think about the feedback. Whether or not that's Nintendo being polite, or sincere, is an open question. Gay marriage isn't legal in Japan, and it's possible Nintendo's worried about the fallout back home if it opts in favor of Western miiquality. Sales of Tomodachi Life have been stellar in Japan so far, with 1.83 million copies sold.

"We're using this as an opportunity to better understand our consumers and their expectations of us at all levels of the organization," says Nintendo.

Source: Associated Press / ABC

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Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.

I'm more interested if Movie extreme liberal Nintendo fan Bob will bring this up?

Since anything anti-homosexual usually gets attacked by him on one of his blog's but now it's Nintendo I expect him to stay silent while advocating boycotting/blacklisting every other company that ever says/does anything that could be considered prejudiced against homosexuals.

Funny how someone already made a thread about people going freakout mode about this.
Also the main point of the bug back in 2013 was that Males could get pregnant. Funny how that wasn't mentioned at all.

While I'm all for pushing for equality, we need to keep in mind that Nintendo isn't Western. They have their own complicated culture back home that they have to deal with which is probably the most important to them.

That being said, enabling same sex marriages based on region mightn't be a bad idea.

It's a simple decision, Nintendo. Despite your adamant stance on the subject, some traditions need to die due to its narrow-minded background.

Nintendo makes a sims knock off. Doesn't include the freedom to go with your virtual life.

If they are going to ape a franchise, try not to neuter it by removing the one thing that makes a game of life interesting.

Possibility.

Who cares if the player wants a gay character? Or wants to be an egomaniac super villain? or a super hero? or a super scientist with robots and a time travel police box? Or wants to be a wizard? Its well within their right to dream.

The sims is heavily censored. Its a whimsical alternate world. But gays still make it in. Its not social commentary for them, its a simple play style among mountains of play styles.

If EA can have gays without trouble, Nintendo can too.

Just from a design perspective, why didn't they just release a single character type with access to a few body types and all male AND female aesthetics? By putting different sexes in the game, something like this was bound to happen no matter what.

RatherDull:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.

Eh, their social issues stuff in Japan are very different I presume so they will probably take more time to be more open about this, with that said I understand not wanting to buy this game based on that info since I bet a big part of the game will be creating a love life for the avatar.

What I dont get is what does every other Nintendo game would have to do with anything, give it a few more years and the CEO changes meaning that whatever stance the company held probably change too.

As they said "we were absolutely not trying to provide social commentary.", they are ignoring the fact that gays exist but they arent against it meaning that it probably wont take long untill the company starts having a more open view on the subject (although Nintendo barely does anything that touches these subjects to begin with).

Since their other games dont have anything to do with this sort of stuff I really dont see why this game would be enough to "block".

"We're not trying to provide social commentary", except, you know, that you are.

Such as that homosexual relationships have no place in a 'whimsical quirky world'. Only straight people allowed there.

Really? Great job Nintendo. Now I'll make it a point to buy a WiiU this year.

So we're having a really good discussion here http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.849366-Tomadachi-Life-Conspiracy-Because-Nintendo-Just-cant-catch-a-break-these-days , in the main post about how Nintendo is getting so much hate from both sides about how wrongly this issue is being reported and more notably " The bug " everyone is referring to, then the next day, front page another article with bad information.

There wasn't a bug that allowed same sex relationships, There was a bug that broke the game if a person imported their mii from the previous game that was fixed because it stopped you from being able to progress. The same sex stuff was brought up because people were wondering why some people were able to have relationships with on the outside "appeared" to be same sex but people were just coding their male mii as female or vice versa, Something that hasn't been patched out because all it is is code that reads gender.

sid:
Just from a design perspective, why didn't they just release a single character type with access to a few body types and all male AND female aesthetics? By putting different sexes in the game, something like this was bound to happen no matter what.

According to somebody further up the thread, pregnancy is a thing in the game, which means unless you want players to have to flip a coin on whether the man or the woman gets pregnant, you have to include sex of character somewhere.

RatherDull:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge them, they've got to keep in mind what the current viewpoint in their home country is as opposed to what they may feel.

CpT_x_Killsteal:
Funny how someone already made a thread about people going freakout mode about this.
Also the main point of the bug back in 2013 was that Males could get pregnant. Funny how that wasn't mentioned at all.

While I'm all for pushing for equality, we need to keep in mind that Nintendo isn't Western. They have their own complicated culture back home that they have to deal with which is probably the most important to them.

That being said, enabling same sex marriages based on region mightn't be a bad idea.

Thank you for mentioning my forum topic because...

OT: Wrong, wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong!!!!!

*Deep Breath*

OK, I know jumping on the stinking bandwagon is popular and all, but this is ridiculous. For goodness sake, when IGN of all websites is more nuanced than most websites about Nintendo, something is wrong.

IGN Link (AGAIN!): http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/05/nintendo-on-gay-marriage-and-tomodachi-life

There was no glitch that allowed same sex marriages. That was a translation error. What the article meant was two different points. The first point talked about a glitch that happened when people transferred their old Tomadachi characters to the new one: it corrupted the save file. They fixed that glitch. The second article was stating how people got around the no hommosexual relationships. They did it by cross-dressing one of the Mii's so it LOOKED like a guy getting pregnant. They did not "fix" this.

Secondly, coding homosexual marriage into this game at this point, with the game release for almost a year in Japan, would be hard at the very least. While I don't know the code, I'm assuming a game based around relationships would have multiple lines of data for how relationships work. While allowing homosexual marriage would be great, it probably be too much work to handle for a game already a year old. Is it sad? Yes, but it's also realistic. Tai also knows this which brings me to my final point.

Miiquality had a second goal: to still buy the game even if Nintendo didn't fix the problem. Miiquality stated in its video that they wanted Nintendo to be aware of this problem in hopes the would fix it in later games if not this one, but also to make sure Nintendo saw this as a viable franchise to make more games. This backlash is probably going to make Nintendo less into release Japanese-type games to the US, which is bad for everyone all around.

Fasckira:

RatherDull:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge them, they've got to keep in mind what the current viewpoint in their home country is as opposed to what they may feel.

Home country view is irrelevant when they're so deeply involved with Western affairs.

sid:
Just from a design perspective, why didn't they just release a single character type with access to a few body types and all male AND female aesthetics? By putting different sexes in the game, something like this was bound to happen no matter what.

They did. All aspects are shared between both genders. Males can dress up as females and females can be dressed up as males. These characters can marry the opposite gender even if they look like the same gender. Nintendo noted this a year ago and found it interesting. While not the ideal solution to the current issue, it's the best this game is probably getting.

Even then, people don't seem to understand coding and game code. Because originally the "Same Sex" ability was a bug error that corrupted and killed game files in the original game. And so for the ability to have same sex marriage/couples/relationships in the game? Most likely a complete rewrite of the game's code. Seriously, how much work would that take? It could possibly take a year or two because of issues with bugs and such that that could be created.

This is a localization port that is hitting the lowest amount of money used because Nintendo has no idea how the game would even be received. Expecting something like an entire code rewrite within a year for a major part of a game is really, really ignorant of costs and time management. Plus I see no one complaining about a lack of gay lifestyle stuff in Sony/Microsoft games, so where's the outrage there?*

*That last bit's a hammed up fake argument. But seriously, the "cool" anti-Nintendo stuff's getting really really annoying with their intensity. Even for illogical things that would be way too expensive to do.

RatherDull:

Fasckira:

RatherDull:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge them, they've got to keep in mind what the current viewpoint in their home country is as opposed to what they may feel.

Home country view is irrelevant when they're so deeply involved with Western affairs.

But this game was released in Japan a year ago. It was never supposed to have a Western release. The fact that they decided to release a localization speaks volumes on how they are testing the waters. And if people are just vile here, then why should they release any other game of this series in the west?

Miiquality wanted people to buy the game still, as he understood that patching a year old game in a way that required re-writing the entire code was a fairly unrealistic option. He mainly wanted Nintendo to be aware of this problem so that they could add it in the next game, if not this one. If sales are lackluster here, Nintendo might just never make another game in that series, defeating the purpose of Miiquality in the first place.

RatherDull:

Fasckira:

RatherDull:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge them, they've got to keep in mind what the current viewpoint in their home country is as opposed to what they may feel.

Home country view is irrelevant when they're so deeply involved with Western affairs.

Well to be fair, people asked for a game that was already made, be brought over for the west, so they did. Despite the bad reporting, this was never an option in the game, and the US version is the same code as the original version. the game wasn't made with western affairs in mind.

Eve Charm:

RatherDull:

Fasckira:

I wouldn't be so quick to judge them, they've got to keep in mind what the current viewpoint in their home country is as opposed to what they may feel.

Home country view is irrelevant when they're so deeply involved with Western affairs.

Well to be fair, people asked for a game that was already made, be brought over for the west, so they did. Despite the bad reporting, this was never an option in the game, and the US version is the same code as the original version. the game wasn't made with western affairs in mind.

Then it should have been in the original game.

We didn't excuse Chik-fil-a for coming from a Christian background and we shouldn't excuse Nintendo here.

I don't think this is out of malice or anything, Nintendo just has a long tradition of not wanting to be yelled at by religious nut jobs. They didn't like any religious iconography on games released on their systems, they had midway remove the blood from Mortal Kombat 1, and they wouldn't allow Binding of Issac to be released on the ds or 3ds.

Worgen:
I don't think this is out of malice or anything, Nintendo just has a long tradition of not wanting to be yelled at by religious nut jobs. They didn't like any religious iconography on games released on their systems, they had midway remove the blood from Mortal Kombat 1, and they wouldn't allow Binding of Issac to be released on the ds or 3ds.

When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.

RatherDull:

Worgen:
I don't think this is out of malice or anything, Nintendo just has a long tradition of not wanting to be yelled at by religious nut jobs. They didn't like any religious iconography on games released on their systems, they had midway remove the blood from Mortal Kombat 1, and they wouldn't allow Binding of Issac to be released on the ds or 3ds.

When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.

RatherDull:

Eve Charm:

RatherDull:

Home country view is irrelevant when they're so deeply involved with Western affairs.

Well to be fair, people asked for a game that was already made, be brought over for the west, so they did. Despite the bad reporting, this was never an option in the game, and the US version is the same code as the original version. the game wasn't made with western affairs in mind.

Then it should have been in the original game.

We didn't excuse Chik-fil-a for coming from a Christian background and we shouldn't excuse Nintendo here.

Look, the "You're either with us or you're against us" mentality will not be healthy for the LGBQT community. People who are "against" us fall into two different groups: hate and ignorance. People who hate the LGBQT community are people in which the more vile tools of protest, while not encouraged always, are certainly understandable. People who are ignorant of said biases, however, must be made known about the bias. Attacking people who are ignorant are a fast way to make people hate the attacker. Knowledge and understanding is what is ultimately required for the LGBQT community to be universally accepted in the world community. By attack blindly with anyone who disagrees with you without checking to see why they disagree with you will do more bad than good in the long run.

RatherDull:

Worgen:
I don't think this is out of malice or anything, Nintendo just has a long tradition of not wanting to be yelled at by religious nut jobs. They didn't like any religious iconography on games released on their systems, they had midway remove the blood from Mortal Kombat 1, and they wouldn't allow Binding of Issac to be released on the ds or 3ds.

When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.

I didn't say it wasn't a dumb thing to not allow same sex relationships. It's just that if there was a console maker who would initially take the stance of "no same sex stuff" it would be nintendo. They usually back track when they find out that the outcry for not allowing it is greater then the idiots they initially tried to placate with their initial stance. As we saw with Mortal Kombat 2.

RatherDull:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.

It's not about homophobia as much as trying to avoid controversy, controversy that might drastically hurt sales in some regions.

Regardless of your stance on the issue it's worth saying that it still is a hotly debated and controversial issue that has also been highly politicized.

However it shows that they have no sense over at Nintendo. if it was a bug, genuinely, they should have just shrugged and left it as is.

'Programmers weren't thinking of that possible result when they coded'

Sort of like the person who designed the digital display for calculator never thought about people using 80085 to spell out 'BOOBS'

And left it at that statement. In an attempt to avoid making social commentary by having the bug in the game have made just as much if not louder social commentary by removing the bug SO again Nintendo, maybe you know... think...

I don't know, does the real blame lie with Nintendo or the shit heads who will loose their minds over same sex marriage being included?

Sure, you could argue that Nintendo has a social responsibility to push gay marriage so as not to add to the stigma against it as something "strange".

But then on the other hand, Nintendo has a reputation for being "family friendly" in the States and I'm sure that they aren't blind to the controversies it's caused in the past.

Granted in the two examples I'm thinking of, the Old Republic and Mass Effect, were made by EA, a company many feel are more "soulless" corporate entities concerned with the bottom line, so you could argue that the "strictly business" argument doesn't really work in this case.

On the other hand (how many hands to be have by now, four?) the people making the decisions for Nintendo are based half way across the world and therefore have a different world view to those at EA. I am hesitant to make any broad assumptions about an entire culture, but I feel that this decision fits into the "don't rock the boat" mentality that is supposedly pervasive in Japanese culture. Add to the fact that Nintendo hasn't been too hot financially lately with the failure to launch of the Wii +, and I can understand, if not excuse totally excuse Nintendo making this decision.

I also have two additional question that I hope you could humor.

1. If Japan had same sex implemented in Japan and not the states, would you feel angry at Nintendo, or ashamed of your country?

2. To those wanting to boycott Nintendo, if they do relent and add same sex partnerships to the game will you continue to boycott?

Silly Nintendo, you can't escape politics.

Really they might as well, saying "gay people exist" really isn't social commentary. And I doubt anybody would be that offended since they already have heterosexual relationships in the game.

RatherDull:
When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.

So someone from a group that hates blanket statements and painting people in broad strokes is doing exactly that. Please, go on. I really do love it when the hypocrisy in identity/representation seeking groups emerge like this.

People aren't required to care about you or your problems. It's not morally wrong nor morally right. You're not entitled to sympathy. No one is.

I saw a very long, typically dramatic piece on Polygon calling Nintendo "intolerable Heteronormative Biggots". This is a tad extreme. I think Nintendo is guilty of what it has been guilty of since the turn of the century; lack of effort and complete lack of progression. This is part of their wider refusal to recognize the existence of their massive western audience. It also shows how utterly stuck in time they are. I don't think this is outright flagrant bigotry but they are in the wrong. Nintendo, once again, proves it's self to be living in it's own little bubble 20 years in the past.

Localize your content properly. This isn't some sort of anti-gay crusade it's part laziness, part cowardice. This is modern Nintendo; completely inept at moving forward.

Kumagawa Misogi:
I'm more interested if Movie extreme liberal Nintendo fan Bob will bring this up?

Since anything anti-homosexual usually gets attacked by him on one of his blog's but now it's Nintendo I expect him to stay silent while advocating boycotting/blacklisting every other company that ever says/does anything that could be considered prejudiced against homosexuals.

Bob say something negative about Nintendo? Yeah that'll be the day. His occasional social justice grandstanding comes second to his blind love of Nintendo... and slightly over the top obsession with Spiderman.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

A stance of apathy is probably the most sensible way to go... it'd draw the least amount of rage.

You can't avoid making social commentary. The smart money is on allowing same sex Mii marriage (As ridiculous as that was to type) Purely on a practical level. I doubt many homophobic skinheads will be playing the game.

RatherDull:

Worgen:
I don't think this is out of malice or anything, Nintendo just has a long tradition of not wanting to be yelled at by religious nut jobs. They didn't like any religious iconography on games released on their systems, they had midway remove the blood from Mortal Kombat 1, and they wouldn't allow Binding of Issac to be released on the ds or 3ds.

When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.

The irony is attitudes such as this are what cause so many people to avoid getting involved. I care about LGBT rights but I'd rather stay silent than be associated with people who use bullying and aggression as their means of getting them.

If somebody wishes to act morally superior it's best they act moral in the first place.

RatherDull:

Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

When it comes to issues of LGBTQ, if you're not with us then you're part of the problem.
The biggest issue being faced is apathy or indifference to the issue and having it be ignored.

This is what really pisses me off about the Social justice warrior mentality. People have a right not NOT be actively involved in a controversial debate. Saying someone is 'part of the problem' because they aren't waving a giant rainbow flag really turns those people off. The 'LGTBQ' (god how many letters are we adding each week?) online movement is in danger of looking... well... intolerant of people without strong views on the subject.

This is the kind of blanket statement i would think someone advocating against generalizing people would avoid. It comes of hypocritical to call those people out who simply don't feel like having this debate every minute of every day. Saying "You are either entirely on my side, advocating my points, agreeing with all my opinions or you are part of the problem" makes you sound like a massive morally superior jerk.

Just because someone is not a vocal supporter of a cause does not make them against it. Some people find this exact mentality is what puts them off from actively supporting equal rights. I know i sometimes have to distance myself from people who i think are acting in a way that sheds a negative light. I don't want to be associated with massive assholes screaming at people, even if i do believe in equal rights.

BigTuk:

RatherDull:
Well, that's one more company to add to the block list for homophobia.

Such a shame, I really liked Nintendo too.

It's not about homophobia as much as trying to avoid controversy, controversy that might drastically hurt sales in some regions.

Regardless of your stance on the issue it's worth saying that it still is a hotly debated and controversial issue that has also been highly politicized.

However it shows that they have no sense over at Nintendo. if it was a bug, genuinely, they should have just shrugged and left it as is.

'Programmers weren't thinking of that possible result when they coded'

Sort of like the person who designed the digital display for calculator never thought about people using 80085 to spell out 'BOOBS'

And left it at that statement. In an attempt to avoid making social commentary by having the bug in the game have made just as much if not louder social commentary by removing the bug SO again Nintendo, maybe you know... think...

The thing is, there was no bug that did that. That was a simple mistranslation of the article. Said article was about two different things. The first was a bug involving transferring characters from the DS tomadachi to the 3DS one. The second was about how people got around there being no homosexual option: by cross-dressing. There was no homosexual glitch. And even if the transfer glitch somehow caused the homosexual baby, they fixed it because the transfer glitch corrupted the save file and risked damaging the 3DS itself.

Ok so from the sound of it Nintendo is in one hefty pickle. They are shipping the same game to the states, but the LGBT community is angry that there is no same-sex relation-ships. Why not just request it to be a feature in the sequel or a free update? Saying "NINDTENDO IS HOMOPHOBIC AND MUST BE PUNISHED IF THEY DON'T GIVE ME WHAT I WANT" will solve nothing. In fact, it may result in Nintendo from localizing and releasing more games in the US.

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