Super Smash Bros. Wii U Will Use NFC Toys Like Skylanders

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Super Smash Bros. Wii U Will Use NFC Toys Like Skylanders

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Super Smash Bros. is one of Nintendo's flagship franchises, so it makes sense to introduce NFC with it.

Stephan Bole, managing director of Nintendo France, has just announced that the upcoming Super Smash Bros. title for Wii U will utilize near-field communication toys, somewhat similar to Skylanders and Disney Infinity. Nintendo announced that it was planning such a system of figurines earlier in the year, and now it's looking like its flagship Wii U title will utilize it.

"E3 will be an opportunity to show the use of NFC technology on Nintendo consoles. NFC will be used in the Wii U version of Super Smash Bros.," Bole told French newspaper Le Figaro in an interview.

From what we know of Nintendo's figurine platform (NFP) plans, it will support training and upgrading in-game versions of figures of various Nintendo characters; and support multiple games on both Wii U and Nintendo 3DS. Nintendo said at the time that it plans to release the first NFP-compatible titles on Wii U by the end of the year, which coincides with Super Smash Bros. Wii U release.

Bole specifically said that only the Wii U version would use NFC, which also falls in line with what Nintendo said earlier, in that the NFC technology wouldn't be utilized on the 3DS until 2015.

Source: Le Figaro (French) via Polygon

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yeah this seems like a great way to add the cost of 7 or 8 $15 figurines to a $60 video game.... not super thrilled but I only own a 3ds so i'm only playing it on there.

So... what does this add to the game? No, seriously. This just seems like a way to add additional costs to a game. If they start locking character's behind this sort of gimmick than it's just going to piss people off.

FancyNick:
So... what does this add to the game? No, seriously. This just seems like a way to add additional costs to a game. If they start locking character's behind this sort of gimmick than it's just going to piss people off.

I don't think they will, it will most likely just add costumes, they are experimenting with this and I am sure they will release a good game, figurines or not.

FancyNick:
So... what does this add to the game? No, seriously. This just seems like a way to add additional costs to a game. If they start locking character's behind this sort of gimmick than it's just going to piss people off.

A level of frustration? Microtransactions targeting gullible kids? Money in the bank? Wait, that last one isn't about the game...

Yeah, I agree with you. I have been waiting for this game and I am still looking forward to it, but this is a steaming pile of bullshit if I ever saw one. I consider this worse than the standard microtransactions because of the way it's engineered towards kids and making them nag at their parents until they cave in.

I can't see how they'll implement toys on Smash Bros., beyond special costumes and the like, but... I think it kinda makes sense, Smash has always been about miniatures fighting each other and the figurines theme has been retained throughout the entire series (collectible trophies, assist trophies and such).

So yeah, even if I get ahold of the game itself (and console) someday, I wouldn't use it in the slightest, but it's still a pretty neat idea.

Nintendo ruining a successful franchise by trying to make some income off a new idea by shoehorning it in. all this is going to do is alienate existing fans and exclude potential new ones.

Nintendo theme song:
Er'ry Drain I'm Circlin'
Er'ry Drain I'm Circlin'...

Oh I can see this going down well with the Nintendo Defense Force.

So you're locking characters behind pay walls now? And not just any pay walls, but toys?

That's a shame. I would have bought Smash Bros. I guess my money is better spent elsewhere.

Adzma:
So you're locking characters behind pay walls now? And not just any pay walls, but toys?

That's a shame. I would have bought Smash Bros. I guess my money is better spent elsewhere.

Way to jump to conclusions there my friend.

I actually really liked the concept of the toys in Skylanders. From my understanding there was only a small amount of content that required extra toys and you only needed one of each type rather than all of them to get it. It seemed to me, to be more like being able to play with your real-life toys in a game than it did needing to buy toys to play a game. 10 year old me would have loved that.

Can't say I find the news they'll be in smash bros particularly exciting though since adult me doesn't really want cheap toys to play with in a game. I've no objection to DLC characters, not that I really go for that kind of thing anyway but I think it would be pretty lousy for those that do want that stuff to have to pay extra for toys they don't want. Hope for them there's another way to get that stuff.

I can't wait for the irony of all the people who bashed Skylanders to oblivion defending this because it's Nintendo doing it now.
OT: I'm going to say about this the same thing I said about Skylanders and Disney Infinity, if I were ten years old this would be the coolest thing ever, unfortunately I am twenty years old and couldn't care less. As long as the core game is still proper Smash Bros. with a full character roster and this is all just cosmetic or personal preference stuff then I have absolutely no problem with it.

Hm. I'm not opposed to this so long as it doesn't lock the character roster behind a pay wall. If it's for some kind of cosmetic extras or something, then fine. Hell, I might even buy into that despite being a freaking adult. Still, I am a little worried.

I personally think that the Skylanders model was pretty ingenious, if not a little unscrupulous.

I'm surprised... I'd have expected this to be coming out for Pokemon first, after all 700+ characters, blind packs at $4 being the only way to get shiny and legendary Pokémon. Exclusive signature edition starter Pokemon with unique colouring/move set.

I would have thought that would be the obvious starting point.

Also and I know I'm horribly misogynistic for saying this: Bunny Ears Samus makes me feel tingly in places. :/

I'm going to go against the current common opinion and say I'm cautiously optimistic for this. There are multiple ways that Nintendo can handle this, rather than what everyone is jumping towards saying it'll lock the roster behind a paywall(seriously, they'd have to be brain-dead to have a version with the entire roster available and another where you'd need to buy toys to get the full roster). That being said, one thing I could see them doing is essentially use the toys to contain character data for things such as customized movesets like they've shown you can do. Imagine being able to go to a friend's house to play, and all you'd need to do is bring this little figure to have your favorite character customized how you want all ready to go to battle it out with your friends. Or imagine something like an RPG mode where your smash characters actually level up and gain stats or new moves that you can swap in, and the figure contains all that info. After all there is going to be a Wii-U exclusive mode announced to coincide with the Smash Run mode exclusively for 3DS, so I could see something like this that makes good use of the figures happening. They could even do something like patch it in for the 3DS version when NFC usage gets added, so you can easily move the character you've been working on to the 3DS version or something.

Super Smash Bros Wii U $60 for all arena's and 1 figure/fighter additional fighters/figures only $20 each.

Nintendo posts first profit in 3 years. :)

I, er, I quite like the idea... its a bit of fun for those who like to get invested in it, it provides some additional gaming collectables to go on the shelf once Im bored with the game and from a kids perspective it'll be a hoot.

Thinking way ahead here, but it'd be kind of neat if we could 3d print our own models, scan them in and give them stats in a pre-game stage then play with them. Meh, ignore me, not had a coffee yet this morning.

Oh...well, fuck, I don't like that. One of the things I always enjoy about Nintendo games is the fact that they're normally complete experiences with little to no hoops to jump through (Pokemon being an exception by way of sequels). Small things like costumes won't bother me so much, but that's assuming they don't release new characters/items/stages/packs/finishing moves/etc. later and have them act as DLC figurines (man, that was weird to type).

I don't know. I'm still on board because it's Smash Brothers and I enjoy the games, but this really bugs the shit out of me. I guess I'm just pessimistic about the issue, but I just don't see anything good coming out of this.

I'd like to take a minute to remind everyone that we still don't know much about what Nintendo is doing.

I think doing the Skylanders thing by locking the characters behind a paywall is stupid. Like, profoundly stupid. I mean, lots of characters in past game were hidden, yeah, but you could always get them if you were willing to put in the effort, and you didn't have to pay a dime or keep track of a toy that you can easily lose (seriously, how many toys have you bought in your lifetime, and how many of those can you locate today?).

Nintendo usually has a pretty good idea how players feel when it comes to some of the newer practices in the industry, such as the whole used game thing.

hmmm... this... feels like the kind of thing that Nintendo Direct would have mentioned before now. Though it does explain the gap between 3DS and WiiU versions...
I'm going to wait before passing judgement but I can't say I'm super thrilled at the prospect right now.

That's weird...

Normally Nintendo only copies the more obscure stuff.

I wouldn't have been surprised if Nintendo would have been the first to do this, but we already had Disney ripping off Activision and Activision being the one who ripped off the more obscure (but still popular and profitable) source known as UB Funkeys.

Well, I've only seen a few people jump to the conclusion that this will mean locking the characters unless you have the figurine here, so that is definitely less than the amount on Miiverse jumping to that conclusion. Nintendo have previously said when announcing the NFP figures that they wern't going to make a game reliant on the figurines. As this is only available for the Wii U version, and not the 3DS version of Super Smash Bros 4, I highly doubt that they'll have altered the character unlocking method between each version.

What I think is most likely is that the figures will take advantages of a Wii U version's specific feature of Super Smash Bros 4, such as the ability to customise your own characters (which has not been shown on the 3DS version to date). You customise your character, save it onto that respective figure, and can then take your customised character to other people's Wii U's. That sounds like an awesome additional feature for a bonus non-core part of the game. It hasn't been confirmed, but that is what I expect will happen.

I came here for some good old cooperate back lashing, yet the overall feel of the thread is; "well if they don't lock characters behind it that's fan-dabby-dabulous."

Where's the knee jerking?!

I suppose Nintendo hasn't had a (passable) online infrastructure for ages so they haven't 'matured' into the bleeding them dry strategy.

Ever since they introduced a story to the game, Smash Bros. has been about toys/figurines battling each other (and collecting them, lest we forget the Trophy Room). They just took the next logical step into immersion, stopping just short of making a Nintendo-brand 3D printer that gave you a real-life trophy every time you collected one in-game... which they should totally do, should the technology become inexpensive and safe enough for mass-production.

The real question is: how does this affect the game and how reliably can I ignore it? If that gets answered, I might actually pay attention to E3 this year.

...no I won't. I'll wait for someone I like to relay the news back to me.

MrHide-Patten:
I came here for some good old cooperate back lashing, yet the overall feel of the thread is; "well if they don't lock characters behind it that's fan-dabby-dabulous."

Where's the knee jerking?!

I suppose Nintendo hasn't had a (passable) online infrastructure for ages so they haven't 'matured' into the bleeding them dry strategy.

I'll do some knee jerks for five dolla.

Nintendo's gone shill! My console gamer hopes are crushed! IT'S OVER! IT'S ALL OVER!

THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT IS GONE! CONOLES DEAD! MY CHILDHOOD IS DEAD!

or do you want PC gamer kneejerking?

PC EPIC RICE GAMMING FTW! TEH WINZ OVER TEH PEZANTS!

SMOKE WEED EV'RY DAY! SWAG! YOLO! SWAG! YOLO! WOOP THERE IT IS! #PCmasterrace #90skidz #capsRserious #CONsulsaredum

OT (serious this time): Well duh. Nintendo has been bleeding money. Its only natural they go down this route. People are only surprised because Nintendo used to be above everything.

It isn't anymore. Now it has to work for a living.

The investors would have to be stupid to not want Nintendo to sell out and get its hands dirty by now. They need action.

Gaming isn't what it used to be. There is competition and chaos now. Something Nintendo hasn't dealt with in quite a long time.

Not that I have a WiiU, but I'd still be happy to play this if those toys would have zero impact on the actual gameplay.

If they do, well, then I'll just be going back to Melee.

Is there a bunny ears Samus figure?

That's obviously the most important question.

I don't quite get it. So we'll get toy's with the game (ones we can choose?) and they somehow connect with the game to an account, and we can train up and upgrade that account? What will we be training?

I don't get who this is aimed at. Yes it seems to be a pass at those kids who bought skylanders but so far it seems like the Audience for this Smash Bros, a long running series, is older Nintendo fans. The deographics of the Wii-U aren't the same as the Wii or even the PS3/360, it hasn't reached that critical mass of mainstream audience where this would make sense.

It depends which route they go with it but this kind of move only serves to upset Nintendo's already rattled base of fans. Near-feild tech games like Disney Infinity or Skylanders tend to be built from the ground up around that fact. If nintendo doesn't make the tech essential to the game then why would consumers buy it? The Nintendo fanbase might like some miniaturizes but they distrust being nickled and dimed and the wider audience simply won't care unless they feel they have to use them.

There is also the issue that this sounds like some kind of account locking, online integration type deal. Nintendo doesn't exactly have the best track record with implementing new systems. Smash Bros is also overwhelmingly a local multi-player game. How will this effect that?

Ed130 The Vanguard:
Oh I can see this going down well with the Nintendo Defense Force.

Owing to thier name and reputation, theyll still defend it.

The only real problem I have with this is why Smash Brothers? Why not create a new IP that would benefit from it more?

That is the only criticism I can really think of because if it done right, its not a bad idea, for the brief drunken time I played it, Skylanders is pretty damn fun

so I guess DLC will now be represented in a physical form... that's pretty cool if you ask me. Skylander and Disney Infinity figurines, even though I don't buy them I gotta admit they do look pretty cool. So me buying these things will depend on how well they're made. Fingers crossed on finally getting a cool Link figurine

BRING IT!! The chance to own a complete, matching set of all the best Nintendo characters? Yes please!

Why are people worried about this? It's not like they're going to gate off characters so you can't play as them unless you buy the toy. My guess is it'll be to do with the character customisation- personalise Link's move set on your Smash, save that move set to your Link figurine, take your Link figurine to your friend's house, and BAM, there's all your records and custom moves.

Why is everyone raging about this?

I had to go back to read the article, but what I get from this, is that if you have one of the toys close to the WiiU, then you can add like an extra skin in game or similar, it said nowhere that not having a toy = not getting the character.

No idea about this Disney infinty or Skylander thing it's being linked to...

Also, since when has making toys been a bad thing?
Just because they are a bit late with SmashBros, Pokémon toys have been around for ages, superhero toys even longer. No one rages about that?

What am I missing here?!?!

Guffe:
No idea about this Disney infinty or Skylander thing it's being linked to...

What am I missing here?!?!

There's what you're missing I think. In Infinity and Skylanders buying a figure = buying a character. Without real details in the article itself on what the figures do besides a comment that they'll be similar to Skylanders and Infinity, the natural jump is to guess that buying the figures will give you, if not direct access to the character, at least a sizeable advantage.

Of course, this may not be the case at all, but without exact details and having only the previous examples and the wording from the polygon article that it will allow 'training and upgrading in-game versions of characters' it's not hard to see why people might be worried.

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