Candy Crush Saga's Q1 2014 Profits Crush Nintendo

Candy Crush Saga's Q1 2014 Profits Crush Nintendo

Candy Crush Saga

Candy Crush Saga in Q1 2014 has managed to make more money than all of Nintendo's software during the duration of the past fiscal year.

Things haven't been going well for Nintendo recently. While the 3DS has been selling well, the Wii U has continued with its habit of missing sales goals by wide margins and costing the company millions of dollars in the process. Adding insult to injury, it's been revealed that Nintendo's profit margins may be facing some competition of the candy kind.

We're talking, of course, about Candy Crush Saga which, according to recent figures, earned more money on its own than all of Nintendo during the entirety of Q1 2014. The difference gulf between the two wasn't a small one either. Whereas Nintendo ended the fiscal year reporting a $455.3 million loss, Candy Crush Saga's developers at King earned a reported $641 million in profit, two-thirds of which has been attributed to the popular puzzle game.

Granted, comparing King and Nintendo is, in many ways, unfair. King isn't beholden to selling hardware the same way that Nintendo is. Likewise, while Nintendo is in-arguably in a rough spot right now, you could probably make a strong case for Big N's stable of long running franchises being more valuable in the long run than Candy Crush Saga which, in all likelihood, will probably be supplanted by some other super-addictive gaming phenomenon down the road. That said, it's hard not to look at information like this and not feel at least some mild shock at how badly things have been going for Nintendo lately. Here's hoping the company finds a way to pull its bacon from the skillet in the near future

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$641 million! Evil pays, and it pays well.

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Wow. This is a new low for the Escapist in terms of news article.

Really guys? Dipping your toes in new found clickbait articles?

Which ones next? "Angry Birds sells more units than all of Sony's new releases that year combined?"

Then again, the poster above me seems to have caught on to your patterns.

Casual Skinner-Box-on-a-Stick games are a blight on gaming.
Literally.
One will come in, sink into a population draining resources, spreading at an alarming rate. And to make things worse it corrupts the crop you want *Glares at EA*

Checks Kings financial results ... :|

Yeah typical poorly researched financial article.

That $641 million is NOT profit it's REVENUE and it's NON GAAP revenue which is not real.

Nintendo first quarter GAAP revenue $713 million and net income loss $328 million ( Okay that is terrible )

King first quarter GAAP revenue $606 million and net income profit of $127 million

Kumagawa Misogi:
Checks Kings financial results ... :|

Yeah typical poorly researched financial article.

That $641 million is NOT profit it's REVENUE and it's NON GAAP revenue which is not real.

Nintendo first quarter GAAP revenue $713 million and net income loss $328 million ( Okay that is terrible )

King first quarter GAAP revenue $606 million and net income profit of $127 million

The fact that King made almost as much as Nintendo did in revenue is still pretty impressive, given the relative size and history of the 2 companies.

Kumagawa Misogi:
Checks Kings financial results ... :|

Yeah typical poorly researched financial article.

That $641 million is NOT profit it's REVENUE and it's NON GAAP revenue which is not real.

Nintendo first quarter GAAP revenue $713 million and net income loss $328 million ( Okay that is terrible )

King first quarter GAAP revenue $606 million and net income profit of $127 million

Well corrected. I think King is doing what it thinks it has to, like what a lot of mobile and casual developers do who don't actually give half a shit about games, they are inflating revenue as high as possible in order to sure it flatering confidence.

The problem with this revenue is; there isn't much behind it. Investors have started to look deeper at tech companies and once the froth dies down King is left with very little in terms of physical, technological or IP assets. What does Nintendo have? It has a whole load of patents, physical hardware manufacturing, their hardware and software designs, The most recognizable IP in the gaming industry, long standing ties with game retailers worldwide. The company has a wealth of skills and knowledge too. Now that their big revenue has gone south they still have a great deal for investors to cling to, some of those assets are losing them money right now granted but they still have all that backing them up when they aren't making money.

What does King have? A single app making 2/3 of it's revue, an app based on user numbers alone. Some dubious IP they have had trouble enforcing. A load of staff outputting very little that makes money. Their ONLY noteworthy aspect is that they have made a large profit very quickly, much of that going into executives pockets. They hot air and fairy dust, fickle user numbers and lawyers.

Are we ready to throw in the towel on the Wii U yet? Honestly, I love Mario, and Smash Bros and Zelda and all the Nintendo IPs ( Well most of them at least ) as much as the next guy but I just can't bring myself to pay the price of a current generation console for a console that was damn near a generation behind before it was ever released. If Nintendo were to get serious about releasing a console that was up to date so that it had proper third party and online support I would buy the damn thing on launch. Hell, I'd probably be in line early right behind that fool in New York who wears his Power Glove out in public.

Super Not Cosmo:
Are we ready to throw in the towel on the Wii U yet? Honestly, I love Mario, and Smash Bros and Zelda and all the Nintendo IPs ( Well most of them at least ) as much as the next guy but I just can't bring myself to pay the price of a current generation console for a console that was damn near a generation behind before it was ever released. If Nintendo were to get serious about releasing a console that was up to date so that it had proper third party and online support I would buy the damn thing on launch. Hell, I'd probably be in line early right behind that fool in New York who wears his Power Glove out in public.

Were we ready to give up on the PS3 when it was released? Or on the Xbox brand since ever? They both had horrible jobs making a profit until late into the last generation. Currently, I'm more excited for games on Nintendo systems than for any other console except for maybe PC. Furthermore, are we still on the "Nintendo is behind this generation" bullcrap? Consoles are behind period. I think Smartphones will catch up to consoles within this generation. As long as the game is fun and has a consistent frame rate, I'm not seeing the care behind a 720p and 1080p.

OT: Well, these types of companies have a short life span if not done right, so we will see where this goes. Though, given King's tendency to be sue-happy, I'm not seeing a bright future for them.

xaszatm:
Were we ready to give up on the PS3 when it was released? Or on the Xbox brand since ever? They both had horrible jobs making a profit until late into the last generation. Currently, I'm more excited for games on Nintendo systems than for any other console except for maybe PC. Furthermore, are we still on the "Nintendo is behind this generation" bullcrap? Consoles are behind period. I think Smartphones will catch up to consoles within this generation. As long as the game is fun and has a consistent frame rate, I'm not seeing the care behind a 720p and 1080p.

If Nintendo were just losing money I wouldn't be calling for them to bow out. But on top of losing money the Wii U is seriously lacking when it comes to games. The third party support is nonexistent and first party titles aren't enough to keep the system afloat. Furthermore, third party titles won't be coming. It's the same old song and dance that Nintendo has been doing since the N64. They release an underpowered console that developers don't want to put games out for thus leaving the console to survive solely on the same IPs we've been playing for the past two decades. It simply isn't viable any longer as is evidenced by the sorry state of the Wii U.

Look, I love Nintendo developed games. However, I'm not buying an entire console to only play games from one developer. I wouldn't do for Rockstar or Blizzard or Valve or any other developer and I'm not going to do it for Nintendo. Furthermore, I think it's more than safe to say that I am far from alone in this. I wager there are tons of people who feel the exact same way in that they'd LOVE to be able to play the newest Mario game but aren't willing an entire new console to do so.

With the exception of the Wii, which caught on with the casual market that has now migrated to mobile gaming, Nintendo consoles haven been floundering since the N64. Nintendo at this point does two things well. They make good games and they make a good portable system. It's time they focused on those two things and give up on developing hardware for a home console market that has passed them by. Instead they should be putting their games out there on hardware that is with the times and has actual third party support to sell it and doesn't treat on line features as an afterthought. That is how they can turn things around. Until then it's going to be the same thing we've seen over and over and over for the past decade plus.

Super Not Cosmo:

xaszatm:
Were we ready to give up on the PS3 when it was released? Or on the Xbox brand since ever? They both had horrible jobs making a profit until late into the last generation. Currently, I'm more excited for games on Nintendo systems than for any other console except for maybe PC. Furthermore, are we still on the "Nintendo is behind this generation" bullcrap? Consoles are behind period. I think Smartphones will catch up to consoles within this generation. As long as the game is fun and has a consistent frame rate, I'm not seeing the care behind a 720p and 1080p.

If Nintendo were just losing money I wouldn't be calling for them to bow out. But on top of losing money the Wii U is seriously lacking when it comes to games. The third party support is nonexistent and first party titles aren't enough to keep the system afloat. Furthermore, third party titles won't be coming. It's the same old song and dance that Nintendo has been doing since the N64. They release an underpowered console that developers don't want to put games out for thus leaving the console to survive solely on the same IPs we've been playing for the past two decades. It simply isn't viable any longer as is evidenced by the sorry state of the Wii U.

Look, I love Nintendo developed games. However, I'm not buying an entire console to only play games from one developer. I wouldn't do for Rockstar or Blizzard or Valve or any other developer and I'm not going to do it for Nintendo. Furthermore, I think it's more than safe to say that I am far from alone in this. I wager there are tons of people who feel the exact same way in that they'd LOVE to be able to play the newest Mario game but aren't willing an entire new console to do so.

With the exception of the Wii, which caught on with the casual market that has now migrated to mobile gaming, Nintendo consoles haven been floundering since the N64. Nintendo at this point does two things well. They make good games and they make a good portable system. It's time they focused on those two things and give up on developing hardware for a home console market that has passed them by. Instead they should be putting their games out there on hardware that is with the times and has actual third party support to sell it and doesn't treat on line features as an afterthought. That is how they can turn things around. Until then it's going to be the same thing we've seen over and over and over for the past decade plus.

First off, Nintendo was screwed over by the same third party developers during the first year of the Wii U. Now, you can call it karma for the way Nintendo treated third party until the N64, but western third party made promises than ran off laughing. Secondly...you do know that the N64 and the Gamecube were on the high end of power for their generation, right? The Gamecube was the strongest console of that generation (seriously, look at Super Mario Sunshine's water graphics and let me know if there is anything that tops it today)...it was dead last. In fact, it is usually the weakest console that is the strongest in sales. And the strongest console usually places dead last. The only exception was the PS4 this yeah and that only happened at the tail end of this generation where it tied with the Xbox 360. Developers left Nintendo due to the draconian laws placed before them. Many developers jumped ship to Sony because they were offered a better deal, a deal that most of them have been happy to keep.

Furthermore, you do realize that only Mario and Zelda would survive a switch to third party. Nintendo relies on the huge successes on its largest titles to fund its lesser known products. No more Fire Emblem, No more Star Fox, No more Metriod. Heck, no more Bayonetta 2, X, and Wonderful 101 because they would no longer have the money to fund these projects. In fact, are you complaining about the over saturation of Mario games? Expect more releases in third party because that would be the only way for it to survive. Sega has shown us what happens when a developer goes third party, it goes kaput. Only recently last gen has it finally started to recover somewhat.

Now, is the Wii U doing poorly? Of course it is. No one is denying that. But giving up now would do more to harm the company. This isn't the Virtua Boy, where there were so few sales that dropping it was completely applicable. Screwing the current Wii U owners will have disastrous consequences PR wise.

Johnson McGee:
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This was my exact thought. Other might mobile publishers have come along and they rapidly expand and sell stock... then they tank because you can't make money off of a single game forever.

Who cares?!

Mario Kart 8 is out!!!

water_bearer:
Who cares?!

Mario Kart 8 is out!!!

Indeed; in fact, why the HELL did anyone bring up Nintendo in the first place? That seems outta left field, all things considered. I can understand needing to bring up something for sake of comparison, but there are other, far BETTER targets. It's like every time positive news happens with Nintendo somebody needs to do something negative lest Nintendo get really successful and gaming be forced to become more DIVERSE.

water_bearer:
Who cares?!

Mario Kart 8 is out!!!

This :3

also, it's not hard to beat a company when your game is designed from the ground up to rip people off who don't know better.

jeez, as much as I enjoy a good nintendo bashing (wiiU specifically) with their old traditional ways, this is a really odd correlation and seems out of left field that the connection was even made.

What purpose did this article servel beyond showing some obvious bias? Hell if you had at least linked the new mario kart in there somehow I might've understood due to that being recent, but this is just obvious clickbait.

Aiddon:
Indeed; in fact, why the HELL did anyone bring up Nintendo in the first place? That seems outta left field, all things considered. I can understand needing to bring up something for sake of comparison, but there are other, far BETTER targets. It's like every time positive news happens with Nintendo somebody needs to do something negative lest Nintendo get really successful and gaming be forced to become more DIVERSE.

Because it was an interesting snippet that a single game made more revenue then the entire library of Nintendo games combined in Q1 of 2014.

Also The Excapist did a ton of News Articles on Mario Kart 8, and a video review, and it scored a 4.5/5.

Is it really such a sin to post news about Nintendo that may be negative? This article isn't a lie, its completely factual, but instead of arguing the actual points of the article (aka how King got those numbers) they instead try to brush the article under the rug all while belittling and insulting both the author and this website.

But honestly no one takes the Nintendo diehards seriously on this forum, they've been a source of comical entertainment ever since Yahtzee reviewed his first Nintendo game.

Meaningless comparison. My left buttcheek made more money than Nintendo did last year.

NiPah:

Aiddon:
Indeed; in fact, why the HELL did anyone bring up Nintendo in the first place? That seems outta left field, all things considered. I can understand needing to bring up something for sake of comparison, but there are other, far BETTER targets. It's like every time positive news happens with Nintendo somebody needs to do something negative lest Nintendo get really successful and gaming be forced to become more DIVERSE.

Because it was an interesting snippet that a single game made more revenue then the entire library of Nintendo games combined in Q1 of 2014.

Also The Excapist did a ton of News Articles on Mario Kart 8, and a video review, and it scored a 4.5/5.

Is it really such a sin to post news about Nintendo that may be negative? This article isn't a lie, its completely factual, but instead of arguing the actual points of the article (aka how King got those numbers) they instead try to brush the article under the rug all while belittling and insulting both the author and this website.

But honestly no one takes the Nintendo diehards seriously on this forum, they've been a source of comical entertainment ever since Yahtzee reviewed his first Nintendo game.

You must certainly be the delight of parties. You attack the one person who doesn't go out of there way to point out how little something like this matters in the long run and say that that represents everyone.

Furthermore, what News Articles on Mario Kart 8? I think there was the review, and the bundle message. Was there more?

xaszatm:
You must certainly be the delight of parties. You attack the one person who doesn't go out of there way to point out how little something like this matters in the long run and say that that represents everyone.

Furthermore, what News Articles on Mario Kart 8? I think there was the review, and the bundle message. Was there more?

Just running a search netted me these:

I quoted Aiddon because I was answering a question he asked. It was a little easier answering his post then say quoting and answering Dragonbums who just accused the Escapist of Clickbaiting without actually posting worthwhile.

I mean what would I have said? It isn't rocket science that websites write stories to build interest and gain views.

And for you, how would I had approached your point? You said "hey ignore this point, last generation games sold bad too, threads like this are bullcrap, consoles sell worse then PCs, I'm looking forward to Nintendo games, King may or may die out soon".
How the hell do I argue with that? It didn't deal with Nintendo game revenue of Q1 2014 which was focused on in the article, it didn't deal with King's revenue of Q1 in 2014, the only relevant piece was when you compared Nintendo sales to Sony/MS during a similar period of their console lifetime but you neglected to post any relevant links backing this up (and like hell I'm going to look those up).

So yes, Aiddon has a nice short post which I could easily argue, was sensibly written, and he's a known Nintendo diehard so I quoted him.

xaszatm:

You must certainly be the delight of parties. You attack the one person who doesn't go out of there way to point out how little something like this matters in the long run and say that that represents everyone.

Furthermore, what News Articles on Mario Kart 8? I think there was the review, and the bundle message. Was there more?

I just find odd coincidences like I mentioned in my previous post fascinating. Heck, I find it even more fascinating how liking something is now considered an insult; like nobody is allowed to like anything without putting an asterisk next to it because because being called a "fanboy" would be too humiliating. Well, at least for anybody who didn't grow out of the insecure high school phase YEARS ago.

Aiddon:
I just find odd coincidences like I mentioned in my previous post fascinating. Heck, I find it even more fascinating how liking something is now considered an insult; like nobody is allowed to like anything without putting an asterisk next to it because because being called a "fanboy" would be too humiliating. Well, at least for anybody who didn't grow out of the insecure high school phase YEARS ago.

You make it sound like I consider you a fan of Nintendo.

All I see in this thread is people attacking an article comparing quarterly earnings of Nintendo to King. I argued some counter points and then said how amusing I found the Nintendo diehards, your fandom or admiration for Nintendo were never brought into question by me, just your arguments against this article.

NiPah:

All I see in this thread is people attacking an article comparing quarterly earnings of Nintendo to King.

And that's the issue here. Nobody is attacking the article because King was said to out make Nintendo in profits. They were attacking it because this isn't the first time Escapist pulled the "Mobile company makes more profits than [insert AAA company here] in quarterly earnings" like it's a huge fucking deal only to have them in the following months or year shut down or filing for bankruptcy.

I argued some counter points and then said how amusing I found the Nintendo diehards, your fandom or admiration for Nintendo were never brought into question by me, just your arguments against this article.

To find amusement in "Nintendo Diehards" within this thread would be to make a remark upon the very admiration they have for Nintendo in the first place. Otherwise you might as well of just been saying that to people who may have zero likes or affiliation with Nintendo to begin with.

If you were simply singling out one person in the entire thread (and we all know who it is) then you might as well just say that instead.

EDIT: Unrelated to the reply at hand I have also noticed with increased frequency that ever since jeffers was banned from the forums it seems that the people who made "Nintendo Defense Force" a legitimate thing here on the Escapist have been lacking a poster child to point to as a prime example of fanatical Nintendo fanboys.

xaszatm:

First off, Nintendo was screwed over by the same third party developers during the first year of the Wii U. Now, you can call it karma for the way Nintendo treated third party until the N64, but western third party made promises than ran off laughing.

Can Nintendo fans stop with the "broken 3rd party promises" tears already. 3rd party publishers promised nothing. They saw that the sales of their software on Nintendo consoles was literally not worth making games for the Wii U. Look at software sales for 3rd party games in the last 2 years of the Wii's lifespan. They were pretty abysmal.

This situation that Nintendo is in has been decades in the making. This has been years of Nintendo being literally the worst of the console manufacturers to work with since Sega stopped making consoles.

If you honestly think that one year of "broken promises" by 3rd party publishers is the sole reason for the piss poor sales of the Wii U, you're out of your gourd. One year of very little games hasn't affected the PS4/X1 sales, it didn't affect the PS3 sales as badly as its hurting Nintendo right now either.

This is mostly Nintendo's fault here. They shouldn't have been so damn difficult for the 3rd party for so damn long. And the lack of localization is another major factor. Honestly, we're almost 2 years into the Wii U being on shelves and fanboys can't stop blaming companies for not making games they would have most likely never bought in the first place?

What's going to be the excuse for Wii U Year 2? You have a Smash Bros game on the way, Mario Kart 8 is out, Super Mario 3D Land is out. You can't blame the 3rd party for not wanting literally to burn money on a console that's market won't touch their games. I mean for crying out loud, Rayman Origins failed to sell on the Wii.

This isn't just a Wii U problem.

It's a Nintendo problem.

AzrealMaximillion:

Can Nintendo fans stop with the "broken 3rd party promises" tears already. 3rd party publishers promised nothing.

Except for that whole video thing where they went on camera and stated that they will definitely be making games for the Wii U before it launched and the only company to even remotely keep their promise was Ubisoft.

You know, it's literally the same situation with Mass Effect 3's ending. Casey Hudson went on public record stating that the endings would most definitely not be an A, B, C ending. He said that in videos, he said that in gaming panels, and he said that in interviews. When the game came out it was an A, B, C ending and I didn't really see anybody claiming that Bioware didn't "break any promises" because their lies were right there for the whole internet to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFToeR_DJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldgF3bew1o

It's amazing how full of crock shit this industry is. Any other politician would be called out hard for pulling bullshit like this. Yet we are the only entertainment medium were people can pull shit like that, and get away with it with the simply excuse of "not enough power". (like that stopped them from supporting weaker consoles in the past)

Dragonbums:

And that's the issue here. Nobody is attacking the article because King was said to out make Nintendo in profits. They were attacking it because this isn't the first time Escapist pulled the "Mobile company makes more profits than [insert AAA company here] in quarterly earnings" like it's a huge fucking deal only to have them in the following months or year shut down or filing for bankruptcy.

It's an easy point to make, attack the article for the fact that King just has a single game which makes up 80% of it's earnings, how it's profits are drawn from advertisements which is very hard to value, its predatory tactics, or how it overvalued itself for public trading which resulting in huge earnings inflation. It's easy to say why the findings are meaningless, but instead the prevailing argument was that reporting negative news as a whole was the major fault here.

I'm arguing that this is newsworthy, it's not the death knell of Nintendo, and there's a high probability that King will be dead in a year, but it's still an interesting little statistical tidbit that doesn't deserve the err of the Nintendo Defenseforce for it's simply for existing.

To find amusement in "Nintendo Diehards" within this thread would be to make a remark upon the very admiration they have for Nintendo in the first place. Otherwise you might as well of just been saying that to people who may have zero likes or affiliation with Nintendo to begin with.

If you were simply singling out one person in the entire thread (and we all know who it is) then you might as well just say that instead.

Ah, the point I was making was more to say that being a fan of Nintendo wasn't why I was attacking Aidden, his entertainingly zealous defense of Nintendo was what I singling out. It was just an easy way to drive home the point.

EDIT: Unrelated to the reply at hand I have also noticed with increased frequency that ever since jeffers was banned from the forums it seems that the people who made "Nintendo Defense Force" a legitimate thing here on the Escapist have been lacking a poster child to point to as a prime example of fanatical Nintendo fanboys.

I'm just not sure you can be that person, your use of poor logic seems a bit too forced sometimes and in all honesty you're too likable. I would actually say Aidden would fit that role better since he's gone out of his way to be openly hostile towards Sony, but he doesn't really post enough. Xaszatm tends to make posts that are too long and superfluous, and often adds in unvarified data to support his arguments so it's too much of a pain to argue with.

Ah tis a troubling time, all we can hope for is JEFFERs being allowed back in.

NiPah:

I'm arguing that this is newsworthy, it's not the death knell of Nintendo, and there's a high probability that King will be dead in a year, but it's still an interesting little statistical tidbit that doesn't deserve the err of the Nintendo Defenseforce for it's simply for existing.

But it's not newsworthy in the slightest. Almost every single person has a phone. A large chunk of them are able to afford smartphones. People with smartphones far exceeds the amount of Playstation 3s, Xbox Ones, and Wii U's combined. So naturally a one shot dev that made on crack addicting game would make a fuck ton more than Nintendo, or Sony, or even Microsoft.

People are attacking the article because it is fucking stupid. I don't think even IGN or Kotaku reported it. And they are fucking masters at making articles that are stupid or irrelevant. But nope, obviously the people who called it out are apparently part of the NDF.
It has nothing to do with Nintendo at all. Or the supposed "death knell" this article is ringing.

Ah, the point I was making was more to say that being a fan of Nintendo wasn't why I was attacking Aidden, his entertainingly zealous defense of Nintendo was what I singling out. It was just an easy way to drive home the point.

Sorry for the misunderstanding then.

Ah tis a troubling time, all we can hope for is JEFFERs being allowed back in.

Well someone who also commented in this thread stated in another thread that I was apparently the new captain of the NDF since jeffers left. So I guess there is that.

I have no doubt he would be let back in within a year. His final post was an argument over hack and slash mechanics and if I remember both participants got a warning for being too heated. Granted for jeffers it was just the last straw.

They took a loss. By your rationale my small book publishing company is kicking Nintendo's ass because we made a profit.

This is such a silly comparison to bring up.

Dragonbums:

Except for that whole video thing where they went on camera and stated that they will definitely be making games for the Wii U before it launched and the only company to even remotely keep their promise was Ubisoft.

You know, it's literally the same situation with Mass Effect 3's ending. Casey Hudson went on public record stating that the endings would most definitely not be an A, B, C ending. He said that in videos, he said that in gaming panels, and he said that in interviews. When the game came out it was an A, B, C ending and I didn't really see anybody claiming that Bioware didn't "break any promises" because their lies were right there for the whole internet to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFToeR_DJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldgF3bew1o

It's amazing how full of crock shit this industry is. Any other politician would be called out hard for pulling bullshit like this. Yet we are the only entertainment medium were people can pull shit like that, and get away with it with the simply excuse of "not enough power". (like that stopped them from supporting weaker consoles in the past)

Why are we even still bringing up 3rd parties with Nintendo in regards to this thread? It doesn't pertain to the article and just comes off as derailing in order to get a rise out of people.

Heck, the biggest problem as somebody mentioned, was that this will probably ultimately mean nothing. Sure, the company is making the bank NOW, but as history has shown these kind of companies really just have a strip-mining method with no real interest in the long-term. This is what happens when you emphasize profit over longevity.

AzrealMaximillion:

xaszatm:

First off, Nintendo was screwed over by the same third party developers during the first year of the Wii U. Now, you can call it karma for the way Nintendo treated third party until the N64, but western third party made promises than ran off laughing.

Can Nintendo fans stop with the "broken 3rd party promises" tears already. 3rd party publishers promised nothing. They saw that the sales of their software on Nintendo consoles was literally not worth making games for the Wii U. Look at software sales for 3rd party games in the last 2 years of the Wii's lifespan. They were pretty abysmal.

This situation that Nintendo is in has been decades in the making. This has been years of Nintendo being literally the worst of the console manufacturers to work with since Sega stopped making consoles.

If you honestly think that one year of "broken promises" by 3rd party publishers is the sole reason for the piss poor sales of the Wii U, you're out of your gourd. One year of very little games hasn't affected the PS4/X1 sales, it didn't affect the PS3 sales as badly as its hurting Nintendo right now either.

This is mostly Nintendo's fault here. They shouldn't have been so damn difficult for the 3rd party for so damn long. And the lack of localization is another major factor. Honestly, we're almost 2 years into the Wii U being on shelves and fanboys can't stop blaming companies for not making games they would have most likely never bought in the first place?

What's going to be the excuse for Wii U Year 2? You have a Smash Bros game on the way, Mario Kart 8 is out, Super Mario 3D Land is out. You can't blame the 3rd party for not wanting literally to burn money on a console that's market won't touch their games. I mean for crying out loud, Rayman Origins failed to sell on the Wii.

This isn't just a Wii U problem.

It's a Nintendo problem.

Of course I don't think that the third party sales were the only problem. I have said (though not on this thread so I apologize for not saying here) that the two main causes behind Nintendo's woes were the lack of advertisements for the Wii U and their games (though Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Brothers might be an indication of change there) and the over emphasis on the 3DS during the first year of the Wii U, causing it to have an astonishing lack of first party titles. Now, for the first 6 months, third party was to cover for it but the lack of commitment shows in how little Wii U games were coming out. So, yeah, Nintendo is primarily to blame for its own woes.

But that wasn't the point here. We were discussing the lack of third party games aspect of the Wii U's state for my first point. And I noted that in the long run, Nintendo's draconian treatment of third parties from the NES onwards caused a lot of folks to jump ship at the first opportunity and why them getting screwed by third parties during that first 6 months can (and I emphasize the "can") be explained by the lack of trust Nintendo has. That still doesn't excuse the third party companies for jumping ship, but there is context there. So, yeah, you got completely the wrong message there. With this and given what I said above, you will realize that I am not saying Nintendo's problems were the cause of everyone else but them.

Furthermore, you do realize that the 2 times Nintendo backed the strongest console on the market, it was faced with dead last? It was only with the Wii and the Wii U that they placed dead last in the POWAH race. Power does not equal success in consoles.

Finally, I agree with your statement that the Wii U will do horribly during this second year. Iwata has only just recently started the teams to devote themselves to the Wii U and it will be during the 3rd year in which we will see a bigger flow of games from Nintendo because, quite simply, you can't makes games that fast. Currently, it has to do with the few high AAA third parties it's got and that just won't be enough. If Nintendo makes a profit this year, it will be due to the 3DS and not the Wii U. Whether the Wii U succeeds or fails in the future remains to be seen. Remember that the PS3 was touted as a dustbin product only the Slim was released. These game companies aren't completely stupid.

EDIT: But now we are going way off topic here. I apologize for veering this so far off course. My point for the topic is that most social games have a huge high then crash and burn. While it is possible that King will be able to keep this train flowing, with what we have seen of that company (it being copyright-sue happy), it isn't likely that the money flow will sustain. I went after you because your topic had nothing to do with the topic either and was rather anger-inducing.

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AzrealMaximillion:

Can Nintendo fans stop with the "broken 3rd party promises" tears already. 3rd party publishers promised nothing.

Except for that whole video thing where they went on camera and stated that they will definitely be making games for the Wii U before it launched and the only company to even remotely keep their promise was Ubisoft.

You know, it's literally the same situation with Mass Effect 3's ending. Casey Hudson went on public record stating that the endings would most definitely not be an A, B, C ending. He said that in videos, he said that in gaming panels, and he said that in interviews. When the game came out it was an A, B, C ending and I didn't really see anybody claiming that Bioware didn't "break any promises" because their lies were right there for the whole internet to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFToeR_DJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldgF3bew1o

It's amazing how full of crock shit this industry is. Any other politician would be called out hard for pulling bullshit like this. Yet we are the only entertainment medium were people can pull shit like that, and get away with it with the simply excuse of "not enough power". (like that stopped them from supporting weaker consoles in the past)

You do realize that
A) They didn't "promise" anything. The word promise never came out any 3rd party publisher's mouth. That's fanciful thinking. They merely said they'd be making games for the console.

and

B) All of what they said was prior to the abysmal sales that the Wii U had. Games get cancelled all the time. Ubisoft made Rayman Legends multiplatform due to the piss poor sales of Rayman Origins on the Wii.

If these major 3rd party publishers couldn't even sell well on the highest selling console of the 7th gen market (even while making a game that Nintendo's target audience should have bought in droves), why the hell should they spend the money to make a game that would assuredly flop?

A bunch of the games that Nintendo showed at the Wii U's unveiling E3 came out. Most of the companies that appeared in the videos you posted did make games for the Wii U. The only company I noticed not making a Wii U game has been Namco Bandai on the "Tekken Wii U Successor", and really, at this point can you blame them?

But not once was there any mention of a "promise". That's something Nintendo fans conjured up.

You'd have a better argument talking about Capcom cancelling Megaman Legends 3. The 3DS sales now are more than enough to warrant the release of a game that was nearly finished years ago. but as far promises go, there were none. Just a bunch of 3rd party devs and publishers excited for the console and then being scared off by Nintendo mishandling its unveiling so badly that CNN thought the Wii U was a new peripheral due to them not showing the console in 2011. Also but pricing it so close to the the PS4 that justifying it hardware wise was hard to do. And by the lack of games even from Nintendo themselves that would have moved units.

At this point as I've stated, blaming the 3rd party for not wanting to throw millions of dollars into a fire is asinine. I really worry for the people working at Platinum Games right now. As a small creative game studio build on the ashes of another small creative game studio I worry that if Bayonetta 2 bombs as badly as Wonderful 101 did, I really hope it doesn't hurt them too badly. Those guys have been on a thin line since their games lost them and Sega a bunch of money in that contract.

 

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