Game of Thrones Book Series May Extend to Eight Books - Update

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Game of Thrones Book Series May Extend to Eight Books - Update

George RR Martin

An eighth kingdom may move George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series to be eight books long.

Update: In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, George R. R. Martin clarified his plans for A Song of Ice and Fire. "My plan is to finish in seven," he said. "But my original plan was to finish in three. I write the stories and they grow. I deal with certain things and sometimes I find myself not at the end of a story. My plan right now is still seven. But first I have to finish Book Six. Get back to me when I'm halfway through Book Seven and maybe then I'll tell you something more meaningful."

Beyond the book series, Martin praised actor Pedro Pascal for his performance as Oberyn Martell. He also said he suspects the Game of Thrones producers' plan of telling the story in seven seasons will not be enough to cover everything. One solution Martin likes is Game of Thrones feature films, but HBO is against this.

Original story: George R. R. Martin's A Song Of Ice And Fire series, filmed for TV as Game of Thrones, may move from his book series being seven books long to a total of eight books, according to Anne Groell, the editor of the book series.

In a Q&A with fans, Groell revealed conversations she had with Martin about the series' length. "I remember when he called me, years and years back, to confess that his little trilogy was... well... no longer a trilogy," Groell said. "He predicted four books. I said, 'Seven Books for Seven Kingdoms.' Then he said five books. I said, 'Seven Books for Seven Kingdoms.' Then he went to six. I said... Well, you get it. Finally, we were on the same page. Seven Books for Seven Kingdoms."

While editing The World of Ice and Fire, a companion book to be published this fall, Groell learned there is an eighth kingdom. The contract stipulates Martin will write seven books for A Song of Ice and Fire.

Jane Johnson, UK publisher for A Song of Ice and Fire, is unsure how long the series will end up being. "I know there's been some speculation that A Song of Ice and Fire may run to more than the seven books we currently have under contract, but in all honesty only George knows how many books there will be in the series," Johnson said. "Indeed at this stage of the writing, with the many branching pathways of characters' stories still to intersect, he may not know. As an editor I can say that it feels as if there's a lot to tie up in just two more novels - albeit very long novels - but if George continues to kill off characters in his usual ruthless fashion, it could easily be over in the planned seven books!"

Years go between the releases of books in the series. The fifth book, A Dance with Dragons released in 2011, six years after the previous book, and the sixth, titled The Winds of Winter, is still forthcoming.

Source: Suvudu Universe via The Guardian

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That's kind of a misleading title guys, there wasn't even a comment from George for you to make that assertion.

For the sake of my sanity, please just come out & say there's never going to be a conclusion to the saga.

Did ol' Georgie promise to live to 1000 too?

lemby117:
That's kind of a misleading title guys, there wasn't even a comment from George for you to make that assertion.

Yeah, way to make an ass out of the Emergency Response Team.

Cousin_IT:
For the sake of my sanity, please just come out & say there's never going to be a conclusion to the saga.

If I were the author, I'd have a ready written contingency novel set to be published upon my death entitled "The Throes of Death(or How the Ice Zombies Killed Everyone - Yes, Even Tyrion)."

lemby117:
That's kind of a misleading title guys, there wasn't even a comment from George for you to make that assertion.

Good, that means I still have time to say there will definitely be eight books in the series, before George does. This seems as good a place as anywhere to put it in writing.

Uggh, so we get another 700 pages where nothing happens? How long have we been waiting for the Battle of Meereen, since Book 3? Frickety frick.

lemby117:
That's kind of a misleading title guys, there wasn't even a comment from George for you to make that assertion.

You could also blame The Guardian for it, since the source's tittle is even worst.

So you think Martin will milk the series till it's dead dry?... You don't say!

Scars Unseen:
"The Throes of Death(or How the Ice Zombies Killed Everyone - Yes, Even Tyrion)."

I'd read that.

Cousin_IT:
For the sake of my sanity, please just come out & say there's never going to be a conclusion to the saga.

I figured that is a foregone conclusion at this point.

OT: Gotta keep those checks coming. Why stop when you can write anything and fanboys will eat that shit up and declare it the best tasting shit one could hope for.

He needs an eighth book for new material to murder whimsically, clearly. Murdering stale, old characters is no fun!

Oh please. That's absurd on the face of it. There is 0% chance there will be an eighth book, regardless of what GRRM intends. Let's do the math.

Dance with Dragons came out in 2011. Let's ignore the fact that each subsequent book has taken longer to write than the previous ones, and stick to the assumption he will publish once every 6 years (the amount of time between Feast and Dance). And don't even try to talk to me about how he will go faster and the time intervals will shorten. Any such silly talk will be met with an expression which is a mixture of exasperation and amusement at your naivety.

Such as timeline would mean book six will be published in 2017, book seven in 2023, and this theoretical book eight in 2029.

As of right now, GRRM is 65. That makes him 68 at the publish of book six. 74 at the publish of book seven. And 80 at the publish of book eight.

80, you are thinking, that is not so old in this day and age. Well, sure, for someone that takes care of themselves, I would give pretty good odds on hitting 80. But GRRM does not. Go look at a picture of him. Not to be all ghoulish and stuff, but the dude is not exactly the picture of health, and I recon the chances of him hitting 80 and still being of right mind and body such that he can still write are about as good as me hitting the lotto.

No way are we getting an eighth book. I give 50/50 odds on us even getting a book six, and maybe half that on getting to number 7. Maybe.

No, your best bet on getting a ending to this series is not through GRRM written word. It's though D&D over at HBO.

Scars Unseen:

Cousin_IT:
For the sake of my sanity, please just come out & say there's never going to be a conclusion to the saga.

If I were the author, I'd have a ready written contingency novel set to be published upon my death entitled "The Throes of Death(or How the Ice Zombies Killed Everyone - Yes, Even Tyrion)."

Pretty sure he addressed this. I believe he discussed at length with the show creators the major beats of future books. I also believe he has prepared notes for a ghost author, should one be required after he passes (much like Sanderson for Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series).

Until such time, I am sort of keeping myself from getting too invested in anything, simply enjoying the scenes I catch in the TV series. I am one of those people who likes to marathon complete works.

This isn't news to anyone who's even remotely familiar with the books. George has been saying 'yeah it'll totally be 7 unless I can't finish it in 7' for years now. This is just the speculation of his editor, who hasn't even read the majority of his TWOW material yet.

Cousin_IT:
For the sake of my sanity, please just come out & say there's never going to be a conclusion to the saga.

Yeah, there isn't gonna be. If he took 2 years per book I'd give it a 50-50 chance. At 5+ years, you can forget it.

This is the longest @$!#ing prolog I've ever read already, will book 8 finally get to the actual story? I'm tired of the aimless dicking around.

Lucky Brandon Sanderson puts out better books faster.

Here's hoping he lives to write these books. I think he's a great guy, and goddamnitall I really want to read the next book the wait is killing me it's like waiting for Harry Potter 7 all over again. Come on Mr Martin, I need these books! I need them! I must know what happens at the end. I must know everything there is to know. Give me more books! O_O

Dance with Dragons was so dull I'm not sure I can stomach another one. It seems to have fallen into the same problem that Wheel of Time did in that things are just getting dragged out mercilessly.

Scars Unseen:

Cousin_IT:
For the sake of my sanity, please just come out & say there's never going to be a conclusion to the saga.

If I were the author, I'd have a ready written contingency novel set to be published upon my death entitled "The Throes of Death(or How the Ice Zombies Killed Everyone - Yes, Even Tyrion)."

It really isn't that crazy of a thought, any author who cared about his fans would have some sort of plan in case they could no longer finish the series, at least a rough outline of what they feel should happen and a list of authors they'd respect enough to finish the series.

From what I've read however, it seems like George R. R. Martin doesn't give a shit and is going as slow as he wants with no indication as to what he's actually been up to and then comparing it to telling Tolkien he's going to die while writing the Simarillion whenever someone tells him to hurry up with the story.

Ukomba:
This is the longest @$!#ing prolog I've ever read already, will book 8 finally get to the actual story? I'm tired of the aimless dicking around.

Lucky Brandon Sanderson puts out better books faster.

I haven't read any of the books, just watched the show. Just based on this (and knowing some things were changed for the adaptation) I can't say Martin is a good writer at all. Oh, he may be good with dialogues and making up cool scenes and cliffhangers, but he doesn't know how to trim his story. Details are what make good characters come to life, but a good author also knows that you shouldn't go into everything in full depth. I keep hearin that in the books the overall arc just keeps being dragged around, plot lines that branching rather than convergin. To me, that's the sign of a writer who has been giving way to much reign and not enough slaps on the hand to keep focused.

shiajun:

Ukomba:
This is the longest @$!#ing prolog I've ever read already, will book 8 finally get to the actual story? I'm tired of the aimless dicking around.

Lucky Brandon Sanderson puts out better books faster.

I haven't read any of the books, just watched the show. Just based on this (and knowing some things were changed for the adaptation) I can't say Martin is a good writer at all. Oh, he may be good with dialogues and making up cool scenes and cliffhangers, but he doesn't know how to trim his story. Details are what make good characters come to life, but a good author also knows that you shouldn't go into everything in full depth. I keep hearin that in the books the overall arc just keeps being dragged around, plot lines that branching rather than convergin. To me, that's the sign of a writer who has been giving way to much reign and not enough slaps on the hand to keep focused.

I haven't seen the show but have read all his books and I'm really not impressed. The fact that this has gotten so popular, I think, is likely because the producers of the show have managed a good adaptation.

So ya, it drags and has no focus. It really comes off like a really elaborate setup for a future book series. Not sure how he managed it, but it comes off like he's writing prequels.

I've strongly suspected that 8 books might be necessary but this is not evidence to support that idea.

Darkong:
Dance with Dragons was so dull I'm not sure I can stomach another one. It seems to have fallen into the same problem that Wheel of Time did in that things are just getting dragged out mercilessly.

I'm not sure if you're just baiting fans of Martin, like myself, with that comment, but I just had to respond. While the quality of book 4 and 5 are debatable, they are still no where near Jordan's rambling middle books. I made it to book six of the Wheel of Time before I gave up on the series. By book 5, Jordan's storyline was a bloated, directionless mess. The Wheel of Time is a classic example of a series that started off with some promise, and then proceeded to squander it thoroughly. Jordan is to Martin as beef jerky is to steak.

Yeah, I dunno. I get this sinking feeling it's never going to be completed, too. It seems like the most likely outcome at this point. At least he's told the producers of the TV show how it ends. ...And to be honest, ADWD was so terribad that I'd put money on them doing it as well as GRRM at this point, or possibly even better, if he plans to phone everything else in too.

Maybe, Daenerys Targaryen finally takes back the Iron Throne. I'm rooting for you girl.

At this point, I'm pretty sure that A Song of Ice and Fire is the living manifestation of Zeno's paradox about Achilles and the tortoise, meaning we'll never reach the end and it'll just stretch out for decades until Martin dies. Hell, it might turn out to be a curse, with any subsequent authors who take up the series failing to finish it as it stretches to infinity, not because they continue the story, but rather because they can't ever finish the current story... :p

Steve2911:
This isn't news to anyone who's even remotely familiar with the books. George has been saying 'yeah it'll totally be 7 unless I can't finish it in 7' for years now. This is just the speculation of his editor, who hasn't even read the majority of his TWOW material yet.

Considering he originally planned 3 and now it's up to 7, with the possibility of an 8th now, is anyone thinking his editor needs to actually hold the line here(which editors apparently get afraid to too once someone gets popular)?

Can we get the man a "Wrap it up" Box?

Dalisclock:

Steve2911:
This isn't news to anyone who's even remotely familiar with the books. George has been saying 'yeah it'll totally be 7 unless I can't finish it in 7' for years now. This is just the speculation of his editor, who hasn't even read the majority of his TWOW material yet.

Considering he originally planned 3 and now it's up to 7, with the possibility of an 8th now, is anyone thinking his editor needs to actually hold the line here(which editors apparently get afraid to too once someone gets popular)?

Can we get the man a "Wrap it up" Box?

See: Wheel of Time. Planned 3 books, ended up taking the rest of the author's life, and beyond.

Dirty Apple:

Darkong:
Dance with Dragons was so dull I'm not sure I can stomach another one. It seems to have fallen into the same problem that Wheel of Time did in that things are just getting dragged out mercilessly.

I'm not sure if you're just baiting fans of Martin, like myself, with that comment, but I just had to respond. While the quality of book 4 and 5 are debatable, they are still no where near Jordan's rambling middle books. I made it to book six of the Wheel of Time before I gave up on the series. By book 5, Jordan's storyline was a bloated, directionless mess. The Wheel of Time is a classic example of a series that started off with some promise, and then proceeded to squander it thoroughly. Jordan is to Martin as beef jerky is to steak.

Don't get so defensive, I never said it was as bad as Wheel of Time, that became so slow I skipped a Jordans last book and jumped straight to the Sanderson ones, but that it was falling into that slow, rambling, lots of people moving around but doing nothing problem that WoT did, if it ever gets that bad we'll all be dead of old age before SoIaF finishes.

Dalisclock:

Steve2911:
This isn't news to anyone who's even remotely familiar with the books. George has been saying 'yeah it'll totally be 7 unless I can't finish it in 7' for years now. This is just the speculation of his editor, who hasn't even read the majority of his TWOW material yet.

Considering he originally planned 3 and now it's up to 7, with the possibility of an 8th now, is anyone thinking his editor needs to actually hold the line here(which editors apparently get afraid to too once someone gets popular)?

Can we get the man a "Wrap it up" Box?

Why is it in his editor's interest to pressure him to end the series? The more books he writes, the more books get sold.

You could read her comments here and come to the conclusion that she's actually been arguing him up over the years. ;)

Hey, as long as he actually manages to get it out, considering he said the series will end with him, I'm game.

Seracen:
Pretty sure he addressed this. I believe he discussed at length with the show creators the major beats of future books. I also believe he has prepared notes for a ghost author, should one be required after he passes (much like Sanderson for Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series).

Nope. He's said many times that the series dies with him. He will not allow another author to finish it. Which is a total dick move, but it's his IP.

Now, I think you are correct in that D&D know some details on how it goes. So if nothing else, at least we will get the screen adaptation (if you adapt from a book that doesn't exist, is it still an adaptation?)

I'm going to say this a couple times for clarity's sake : I'm all for authors making pots of money so long as fans are having fun, and writing at whatever pace most pleases them. That being said, GoT has completely pulled a WoT (Wheel of Time).

Both had superb introductions and solid second books. They so, so needed to stop at three. It was painfully obvious the scope of the story had been budgeted for three books. ( I really wanted to read the end as it should have been, with the same attention to economic storytelling. ) Either series could've bloated to four or - if carefully paced to completion - five and not suffered for it, but beyond that? Nope. Jordan wasn't capable of coherence at that length and neither is (in my opinion) Martin.

Dance with Dragons was a mess. Again, I like that Martin's making bank as an author and I think fans who demand output on a certain schedule ought to be laughed off. But that was not six years of the quality of work he showed with the first two books. He's slipping badly.

I'm glad the tv show is doing so well and (as someone who had waaaay too many Forgotten Realms books back in the day) I'm pleased that a fantasy series is doing so well without existing as a byproduct for an RPG. But what I'd like most is for him to bring it to a close as neatly as he opened it. I'm ok with an off book - one of five (so far) isn't bad - but at this point I seriously question if he can rein it in. From a technical / plotting standpoint it's got to be incredibly tough and, frankly, I question if Martin has the ability to close it off as neatly has he started it up.

Whether or not he wants to end it is a completely different matter and, eh. *shrug* I can't exactly fault him, or any author, for opting to print money as opposed to not print money. But snark aside, I think the question at hand is can, not would or should, he end the song.

Also, whatever editor they assign has to [gender]-up and do the work that earns them their paycheck. Authors, however good, need editors.

Side note : wouldn't it be cool if at the series's end he pulled a WildCards ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Cards ) and open sourced the Westeros setting?

Dirty Apple:

Darkong:
Dance with Dragons was so dull I'm not sure I can stomach another one. It seems to have fallen into the same problem that Wheel of Time did in that things are just getting dragged out mercilessly.

I'm not sure if you're just baiting fans of Martin, like myself, with that comment, but I just had to respond. While the quality of book 4 and 5 are debatable, they are still no where near Jordan's rambling middle books. I made it to book six of the Wheel of Time before I gave up on the series. By book 5, Jordan's storyline was a bloated, directionless mess. The Wheel of Time is a classic example of a series that started off with some promise, and then proceeded to squander it thoroughly. Jordan is to Martin as beef jerky is to steak.

Want bait? Here's bait for ya; GRM wishes he could be as good as Jordan was, and that's coming from someone who never liked Jordan. I cannot understand the praise Martin gets, because it's not like when people praise Jordan and I can sort of understand the charm, or when people claim this or that fantasy author is awesome. But Martin...Why? The "surprise character kill!"-gig and a loose focus seems to be what places him apart. And hell, Feist did the "Oops, did I kill off your favorite character?!"-thing long before Martin.

Add to that that he has a very obnoxious fan following who praise the man to the high heavens and you have a recipe for "Cannot tolerate. Get out."

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