Wisconsin Teens Claim They Stabbed Friend To Please Slenderman: Update

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Wisconsin Teens Claim They Stabbed Friend To Please Slenderman: Update

Update: The Creepypasta community has started a fundraiser in aid of the stabbing victim.

"We, as the Creepypasta Community wish to save this girl's life and prove that the community is made up of strong, sane individuals and not those depicted from the suspects," says Creepypasta in an official statement. "All proceeds will go directly to the family for medical expenses, and court expenses."

The fundraiser is backed by CNN, Inside Edition, YouCaring, and the Waukesha PD. Further details can be found at YouCaring.

"The bad part of me wanted her to die, the good part of me wanted her to live," one of the girls allege.

Two teenage girls from Wisconsin claim they stabbed a friend 19 times on May 31st in order to please the fictional horror icon Slenderman. According to their statement the crime had been planned for months, and the two hoped to become Slenderman proxies, or helpers, as a result. The two struggled to decide who would carry out the deed, and according to detectives expressed some regret for what they had done.

"The bad part of me wanted her to die, the good part of me wanted her to live," said one, as they described what took place. They decided to kill her at a local park, in one of the bathrooms so the blood would go down the drain, but when the moment arrived neither could bring themselves to stab their friend. The actual attack took place some time later, out in the woods; one held the victim down, and both stabbed her and left her to die.

The victim later crawled away and was rescued by a cyclist who found her on the sidewalk. Of her 19 wounds in her chest, arms and legs, one - close to her heart - was a millimeter away from fatality. Her attackers have been charged as adults with first degree attempted Homicide which, if convicted, could mean each spends up to 65 years in prison.

The two would-be proxies became aware of Slenderman through the Creepypasta wiki. According to the statement of one of the attackers, they hoped that by becoming proxies they would show that Slenderman really existed. The other attacker seems to have believed that, if they didn't go through with it, "he" - presumably Slenderman - would kill her family.

Creepypasta site admin Sloshedtrain describes this as an isolated incident, which does not represent the Creepypasta community as a whole. "Our hearts go out to the families affected by this crime," he posts, and reiterates that all works presented on the wiki, including Slenderman, are fictional creations.

"Something like this was bound to happen, considering the size of the Creepypasta community," claims Sloshedtrain. "All it takes is one person to do something insane and radical in the name of someone or something."

Source: Wired

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As a sterotipycal black man would say: "These girls be cray-cray".

As the middle-class, 21-year old, white male that I am would say: [see above]

Either they're batshit crazy or have less mental capacity than a jellyfish. I'm no fan of horror or the like, but I'm happy that the community manager defended the community.

Heard about this yesterday from a friend. I'll just file this away under my ever-growing file of "The Human Race Has Collectively Gone Insane" evidence.

See? This is what happens when you "empower" young women. #YesAllWomen

Glad the potential sacrifice lived. Probably wouldn't have happened if the attackers were male. /sexualdimorphism

;P

Seriously, though. Can we take a good hard look at the American healthcare and education systems? Please?

MinionJoe:
Can we take a good hard look at the American healthcare and education systems? Please?

If they won't for children getting gunned down, they certainly won't do it for this. Maybe if her parents were rich...

OT; They have a confession of pre-meditated murder. They're going away.

The fun facts as I've come to understand it:

The girls planned this for almost a year...

They (the parents) allowed 11 to 12yr olds unsupervised access to the internet - and clearly unsupervised access to an internet browser that had no child-safety restrictions on - because I can't imagine any digi-nanny program letting kids near stuff with Slenderman or creepypasta

MinionJoe:
Seriously, though. Can we take a good hard look at the American healthcare and education systems? Please?

The NRA would argue that if the victim had a gun she'd have been fine, and that spending tax money on healthcare and education is a communist plot which would only lead to more of this kind of thing.

Seriously though, I get very pissed off when people blame their crimes on fiction, it gives the sort of people who want to censor that fiction ammunition to scare the mumsnet brigade into action.

Wow. She survived. That is the only positive from this. Perhaps a good revenge story could come of this. I would happily help! :D

The slenderman connection is irrelivant, the 2 girls may have had a concious or subconcious real reason to target that girl. One of them most probably is more strong willed than the other, imposing their strange choice of thinking as the way young people do. Without the existance of slenderman, their dubious state of mind would have found a different idol to excuse their release of anger and hate.

Is there actually lore to slenderman at all? I assumed otherwise. I just don't get what the exact details of the girl's thought processes were supposed to be.

So two young girls have basicaly condemned themselves to a lifetime in prison over something that was (to my understanding) not supposed to be taken seriously.

Only in 'murica, right?

Well probably not, last year in London we had an African family torture and execute one of thier daughters because the mother thought she was a witch.

Xsjadoblayde:
Wow. She survived. That is the only positive from this.

Agreed. Hopefully she will make a full recovery both physically and mentally. It's got to be even worse considering they were her "friends". That's quite likely going to make it hard for her to trust people again.

Stu35:

MinionJoe:
Seriously, though. Can we take a good hard look at the American healthcare and education systems? Please?

The NRA would argue that if the victim had a gun she'd have been fine, and that spending tax money on healthcare and education is a communist plot which would only lead to more of this kind of thing.

Seriously though, I get very pissed off when people blame their crimes on fiction, it gives the sort of people who want to censor that fiction ammunition to scare the mumsnet brigade into action.

Which will lead to overzealous moral guardians and the oncoming moral panic to ensue.
In all seriousness this is really sad. I'm just surprised that they haven't blamed video game on this one (yet).

Only in America would the thought "these young girls thought a fictional character was real" be followed by the though "lets try them as adults".

Kudos to the Escapist for not publishing the girls names, so many other rags seem to think it's ok to violate the privacy of children just because they're allowed to.

Legion:

Xsjadoblayde:
Wow. She survived. That is the only positive from this.

Agreed. Hopefully she will make a full recovery both physically and mentally. It's got to be even worse considering they were her "friends". That's quite likely going to make it hard for her to trust people again.

Sincerely doubt that she'll ever make a full recovery on the mental side of things. Wounds heal, therapy helps with coping, but the little niggling thought in the back of her mind that's screaming "they did this because...?" is always going to be there.

That's the sort of confusion that'll linger.

Normal 12 year olds can tell the difference between stories and real life.

Just browse around DeviantART and it's clear many tweens and young teens are into this stuff.
This crime isn't an issue of age, rather of mental illness.

Xsjadoblayde:
The slenderman connection is irrelivant, the 2 girls may have had a concious or subconcious real reason to target that girl. One of them most probably is more strong willed than the other, imposing their strange choice of thinking as the way young people do. Without the existance of slenderman, their dubious state of mind would have found a different idol to excuse their release of anger and hate.

At this point that's just conjecture, not enough details are known about the situation to come to a conclusion like that. Personally, I just adhere to the belief that there are such things in this world known as "crazy people". People that cannot separate fantasy from reality. Is it a bit unfair to call kids "crazy" in that sense? Perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that they couldn't separate fantasy from reality. And you know the crazy thing about crazy people? They tend to do crazy stuff...like believe they could become Slender Proxies by ritualistically sacrificing some when...

Is there actually lore to slenderman at all? I assumed otherwise. I just don't get what the exact details of the girl's thought processes were supposed to be.

Actually (to my knowledge) there really isn't much lore at all about Slenderman. The details are pretty general in nature. He's supposed to be a mysterious entity that chooses victims seemingly at random to stalk and torment them with visions and nightmares until they go completely insane. He then captures them and drags them off to the woods. What happens from there varies, some are just never seen again, some are eaten and the whole "stalk and torment" thing is apparently Slenderman's way of preparing them to be a meal, and with others he ends up disemboweling them and leaving their innards in sacks hanging from trees. That's...pretty much all there is to the original notion of Slenderman. Certainly nothing about becoming one of his servants by committing human sacrifice. But if one of the girls actually believed that she was being stalked by the creature and had to commit this murder or the Slenderman would kill her family, that just goes towards my notion of "can't separate fantasy from reality".

Legion:

Xsjadoblayde:
Wow. She survived. That is the only positive from this.

Agreed. Hopefully she will make a full recovery both physically and mentally. It's got to be even worse considering they were her "friends". That's quite likely going to make it hard for her to trust people again.

Indeed. I truly feel for the poor girl. Trust is going to be very difficult to gain for a long time, let alone all the other issues that can come from such an attack at her age.
Even with the best therapist/psychologist, she will have a hard time ahead of her.

Legion:

Xsjadoblayde:
Wow. She survived. That is the only positive from this.

Agreed. Hopefully she will make a full recovery both physically and mentally. It's got to be even worse considering they were her "friends". That's quite likely going to make it hard for her to trust people again.

She probably wont make a full physical recovery but she might make it through life without too much problems. If anything those scars wont go away.

webkilla:
The fun facts as I've come to understand it:

The girls planned this for almost a year...

They (the parents) allowed 11 to 12yr olds unsupervised access to the internet - and clearly unsupervised access to an internet browser that had no child-safety restrictions on - because I can't imagine any digi-nanny program letting kids near stuff with Slenderman or creepypasta

Yeah but the problem with supervision is that you can't shadow kids 24-7. I mean there's nothing inherently bad about creepypasta. It's no worse than anything Goosebumps or heck traditional fairy tales. Everyone loves a good spooky story. But these too... I'm gonna be offensive here.

I'd put them in the chair.

Also seriously where are these girls getting this crap from. Everyone knows you don't gain demonic pacts by sacrifice like that. You don't make pacts by cutting out the liver of some random person... you gain pacts by cutting out your *own* liver. Geez, first rule. If the sacrifice isn't yours then the powers won't be yours.

Demonology 101 people.

1. If you lack faith in the entity and would not cut out your own liver. The pact is false
2. If you lack the will/courage to cut out your own liver, you are useless to the entity and the pact will be rejected.

The fact that she managed to crawl out of the woods after being stabbed is honestly miraculous. It's also really lucky that a passer by just happened to find her. It's sad that this will likely have a devastating effect on her mental state but at least she can live on and her attackers brought to justice.

webkilla:
The fun facts as I've come to understand it:

The girls planned this for almost a year...

They (the parents) allowed 11 to 12yr olds unsupervised access to the internet - and clearly unsupervised access to an internet browser that had no child-safety restrictions on - because I can't imagine any digi-nanny program letting kids near stuff with Slenderman or creepypasta

My 12yo sister has full, unrestricted access to the internet at her home because our parents, and myself, trust that she has a solid head on her shoulders and wouldn't ever pull shit like this. You can't always treat children like some beings of inherent purity that need to be sheltered, you need to treat them like smaller adults that don't have as much life experience as you do. That's how my parents treated me and my sister and I've certainly turned out to be a far more functional member of society than most, considering I'm now a scientist.

Restricting a person's access to the internet is restricting their access to the greatest pool of human knowledge and wisdom that has ever existed. Sure, there's bad stuff on the internet that a child shouldn't have to see, but that goes double for the real world. They usually won't find the really nasty stuff unless they go searching for it anyway.

MinionJoe:
See? This is what happens when you "empower" young women. #YesAllWomen

Glad the potential sacrifice lived. Probably wouldn't have happened if the attackers were male. /sexualdimorphism

;P

Seriously, though. Can we take a good hard look at the American healthcare and education systems? Please?

Empower? This is more like what happens when a whole community looks at girls as powerless and innocent. People, especially family and teachers, probably dismissed all the warning signs as just harmless, annoying PMS.

Either mental therapy or even hormonal therapy in the simple form of birth control pills could have prevented all this. But the latter is a whole host of other problems belonging to general social ignorance and attempts at controlling the female gender in a powerless position.

A better healthcare and educational system probably would have recognized the dangers these girls posed.

BigTuk:

Yeah but the problem with supervision is that you can't shadow kids 24-7. I mean there's nothing inherently bad about creepypasta. It's no worse than anything Goosebumps or heck traditional fairy tales. Everyone loves a good spooky story. But these too...

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Supervision in that context is EASY. You just don't let them online unsupervised until they've been trained properly in it.

VanQ has an example of that - he has a 12yr old sister who is trusted to handle herself online. That implies that she's shown that she knows what's what and can handle herself.

These girls here clearly didn't go through that process first.

I am well aware that 11 or 12yr olds can usually understand and handle things far above what most stereotypes and age-restrictions would seem to imply. All you usually have to do is explain things directly and pause every now and then and ask if they understand what you're talking about. No really, kids can be quite perceptive in this respect.

The problem comes when they're not explained things properly - because they'll fill out the gaps themselves with their own imagination... and guess what happened here. Though, if at 12 they don't know that killing someone else is bad? Ya... something went VERY wrong there

I read this and the phrase, "What the fuck is wrong with you" comes to mind. Seriously, those girls are most likely insane in need of some serious help. Also, the fact that that girl was stabbed 19 times and survived is impressive.

I guess they can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.

Since when were 12 year olds teenagers? Hm, sad all around for both the victim and the attackers, I won't pretend to understand why a rare few children go through with things like this. Perhaps they weren't quite right in the head, or were victims of abuse. I don't get why in some U.S. states children can be tried as adults though, I mean whatever they've done they're still kids, they aren't capable of fully mature decisions like we are and while obviously there has to be consequences for their actions, their age should be taken into account when determining their future.

Jupiter065:
Only in America would the thought "these young girls thought a fictional character was real" be followed by the though "lets try them as adults".

Kudos to the Escapist for not publishing the girls names, so many other rags seem to think it's ok to violate the privacy of children just because they're allowed to.

fun fact, if a minor is being tried as an adult, their names are published as part of public records, thus any journalist covering the story would have access to those names because the DA and Police filed those.

So, no, it's not violating people's privacy when it's part of public records.

OT: Cue Fox News going batshit bananas in 3. 2. 1.

Oh, Also Jupiter065, it even says in that video that if suspects over the age of 10 are accused of murder or attempted murder, they are set in an Adult court.

So, once again, completely legal to name Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weier as suspects since they are being tried as adults

I like to pretend I am a poke-master and go about challenging others to duels whether they believe or not....why could this not be the story instead of 2 girls almost stabbing another to death over a horror fantasy!?

fyi I do not challenge others to poke duels :)

Stories like this is reason why I keep telling my 10 year old to not have friends! No friends until you are an adult! Even then there are still chances are crazies stab murdering you to death.

MORAL of this story is to stay inside, lock the door and only go out to work and come back home....safe safe home (/slips on floor, snaps neck, dies).

Getting to a different point, no they're not likely to be convicted as adults.
They, as children, have shown that they're not really competent to aid in their own defense or understand their rights.

And quite frankly, the maximum punishment for this as children along with the realization of what they've done when they get their heads straightened out and the lingering societal stigma of being convicted of this is probably enough... unless you're a strict retributionist (in which case, hi there, did you know your views on ethics are so flawed that it turns out you don't need to punish the right person? as well as you violating pretty much every wider form for ethical guideline.)

webkilla:

Supervision in that context is EASY. You just don't let them online unsupervised until they've been trained properly in it.

VanQ has an example of that - he has a 12yr old sister who is trusted to handle herself online. That implies that she's shown that she knows what's what and can handle herself.

These girls here clearly didn't go through that process first.

I am well aware that 11 or 12yr olds can usually understand and handle things far above what most stereotypes and age-restrictions would seem to imply. All you usually have to do is explain things directly and pause every now and then and ask if they understand what you're talking about. No really, kids can be quite perceptive in this respect.

The problem comes when they're not explained things properly - because they'll fill out the gaps themselves with their own imagination... and guess what happened here. Though, if at 12 they don't know that killing someone else is bad? Ya... something went VERY wrong there

Actually that's where children have a problem. They can process the information well enough but they tend to lack 'contextual weight'. Most children understand the concept of death but the true reality of it is something that escapes them. Heck it escapes many of us until we've had to deal with it on a deeply personal level, until we have to look down in that casket and then a week later when we feel the void left in our homes, minds and souls.

To be less morbid. You can describe a 'burn', you can describe the pain and they will understand it based on that level but the actual experience of being burned carries much greater 'contextual weight'.

To the matter of supervision, as said...if you keep your playboys locked up, they'll find someone who's playboy mags aren't locked up. Ask any parent, their kids will get into things and their ability to supervise does not extend beyond the parent's direct area of control. They can lock down every computer in their house but there's always the neighbor's house, or the library, or the school etc etc.

'Murica.

Stabbing teenaged girls to death in the woods to appease your holy God.

This isn't an issue of "they were crazy" or the Creepypasta community. Obviously, the first is true.

But how stupid and uneducated were these dipshits if they thought a fictional character - and all appearances of which are almost always labelled this character is fictional? This obviously goes much deeper than "they're white, so they've got a freak mental disorder", or "feminism gone wrong", which this is quickly what this is going to be filed under in less than a week. Seriously, it will.

Stu35:

MinionJoe:
Seriously, though. Can we take a good hard look at the American healthcare and education systems? Please?

The NRA would argue that if the victim had a gun she'd have been fine, and that spending tax money on healthcare and education is a communist plot which would only lead to more of this kind of thing.

Seriously though, I get very pissed off when people blame their crimes on fiction, it gives the sort of people who want to censor that fiction ammunition to scare the mumsnet brigade into action.

To the NRA I'd then argue that if she'd been shot 19 times she'd be dead long before all 19 rounds were fired. But I'm not American, so I don't have to bother with that particular brand of madness.

Anyhow provided they are not found to be truly delusional and/or in desperate need of mental care - as they'd then be better served with forced treatment with transfer to regular incarceration once they are deemed cured, as well as able to fully understand why they are being incarcerated and the gravity of their crime - it seems right to try both of them as adults. I assume the law will still take their age into account, to some degree.

And that poor victim, I can't even imagine what she's been through or what she'll have to live with. I just hope she can get the help, the love and the support she needs to go on and live a long and happy life.

This saddens me quite deeply.

These 2 young girls plotted to kill their "friend" to appease a fictional character.

My main though running through my head, is (I am not placing blame with this, it is merely conjecture) whether this would have occurred whether they knew about the slenderman or not. They planned this girls death (I read somewhere) months in advance. So I'm wondering whether the slenderman phenomenon was the tipping point, or whether it was the catalyst.

Also, and I know they are only 12, but how do/did they not know that slenderman was a fictitious character?

...Ugh....psycho crazy kids not raised to understand the difference between fantasy and reality...

Jail won't help them. They need to be put away in a mental institution. Probably permanently.

The one who took the lead on this and wanted to become Slenderman's "helper" should clearly never see the light of day again. The other one who was afraid slender would come for her family...I'm more inclined to not think of her as badly, probably since the other girl is likely to have pushed that idea on her.

I notice a lot of people stating that they shouldn't be trialed as adults because they didn't know the consequences of their action. They were planning for months how to do it, as in how to get away with it. People only plan how not to get caught if they are aware they are going to get punished for it. From the sounds of this I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them turned out to be a sociopath, they wanted to murder someone, they picked a target that would easily trust them and most people would not suspsect them of murdering i.e. a friend (I am guessing that most of us here would not be suspected if one of our friends was murdered), they get someone of a weaker will and convince them to go along with this plan. Lets say convince them that a made up monster that they beleived in would murder her family if this didn't happen. If everything goes smoothly they get to kill someone and go off scott free, if theres a hitch then they can play the insanity card (which many socipaths have doen in the past several where succesful at it), which would give them a much lighter sentence, especially in jouvinile court. Once thier free they know how to get away with it more easily.

In short, one of them should probably get a second chance while the other is a danger to society and should have the book thrown at her.

kaizen2468:
I guess they can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.

No. They made a choice to prefer their own constructed fiction *over* reality. It's the same process that creates gods for people to worship - it's a preferential choice.

There's no logical reason in a dying world why this shouldn't happen more often. Bringing the Slenderman to life is a way to condemn the real world - it's saying "yeah, Slenderman is terrible, but not so terrible as reality itself".

Calling the girls "cray-cray" is turning off one's brain to the full reality, and the resulting ignorance will only encourage future similar actions.

BigTuk:

Actually that's where children have a problem. They can process the information well enough but they tend to lack 'contextual weight'. Most children understand the concept of death but the true reality of it is something that escapes them. Heck it escapes many of us until we've had to deal with it on a deeply personal level, until we have to look down in that casket and then a week later when we feel the void left in our homes, minds and souls.

To be less morbid. You can describe a 'burn', you can describe the pain and they will understand it based on that level but the actual experience of being burned carries much greater 'contextual weight'.

To the matter of supervision, as said...if you keep your playboys locked up, they'll find someone who's playboy mags aren't locked up. Ask any parent, their kids will get into things and their ability to supervise does not extend beyond the parent's direct area of control. They can lock down every computer in their house but there's always the neighbor's house, or the library, or the school etc etc.

Oh I would NEVER lock away handheld gaming devices from kids. They're the new walkman/discman/thing to hand your kids when driving or flying long distance.

I meant not giving unsupervised access to the internet. That, I believe, I far more doable. Just put a password on your ipad's web browsers when you give your kid the thing to play flappy bird or cupcake-maker - and make your PC off limits unless you're there to supervise in person... with google safesearch on.

And you're right about the contextual weight. That was exactly what I meant earlier.

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