Frank Miller Wants to Write Captain America

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Frank Miller Wants to Write Captain America

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Controversial onetime comics legend wants a crack at Marvel's star-spangled Avenger

Once upon a time, Frank Miller was one of the biggest names in American comics; famed for his character-redefining run on Daredevil, reviving public interest in Batman with The Dark Knight Returns and upending the medium with his groundbreaking series Sin City. Over the last decade, though, his name has come up most often as a punchline - either about his difficulty writing women, his increasingly unhinged political rants, directing one of the worst films of the 21st Century or just not being good at making comics anymore.

But now the erstwhile auteur thinks he's found the perfect way to come back: He wants to take over Captain America duties at Marvel.

Speaking on a Reddit AMA to promote Sin City: A Dame To Kill For, Miller told a questioner that he'd like to take on Cap because he "features virtues that my country has either lost or misplaced for a very long time," and that "I remember telling people at Marvel, just a few days after 9/11, that I hoped they realized what they had there, because Captain America's reaction to 9/11 would have been pretty direct."

Reached for comment, Marvel executive editor Tom Brevoort didn't exactly close the door but specified that it would depend on what Miller actually wanted to do with the character, stating: "I don't think, for example, we'd have gone ahead with Holy Terror as a Captain America story." Holy Terror was a superhero 9/11 revenge fantasy originally pitched as a Batman story but was reworked to feature new characters after DC said "no thanks." The resulting comic was widely panned by critics, with Wired.com calling it "a screed against Islam, completely uninterested in any nuance of empathy."

Source: THR

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I wonder just how hard the big wigs at Disney/Marvel's movie department are laughing right now...

I really don't see the two lining up well. I can see Captain America going into dark, potentially politically charged stories but Marvel would be wise to hesitate giving it to someone so... radical.

Also the links don't seem to work.

MovieBob:
The resulting comic was widely panned by critics, with Wired.com calling it "a screed against Islam, completely uninterested in any nuance of empathy."

Yeah, because when I think of comic books, I think of nuance and depth, not political points being sledgehammered home with giant fists of ham.

How about no?

I sometimes feel like Marvel has issues with letting their heroes be heroes in the comics, sometimes derailing characters in order to better serve the plot in their crossover events, and I am not confident Frank Miller would help with that at all if he took over solo issue duties.

Especially with Captain America. Which makes me morbidly curious about what the end result would be. Just picture it:

"I'M THE GODDAMN CAPTAIN!" Steve exclaimed as he gleefully caved in the skulls of more terrorist scum.

Yes? No?

Patriotism?

I was about to say go for it, I would love to see Captain America written by Frank Miller but then I realized I got him mixed up with Alan Moore. I always get them mixed up because I think whoever wrote Dark Knight Returns probably wrote Watchmen. They just seem similar to me. So yeah not saying it has to happen and it has already happened but I have to admit Captain America's reaction to America no longer being the America he was born in is the only thing I really like about the character.

Frank Miller.... writing Captain America............... after all the nutty stuff he seems to have written and said then I'm not sure if he'd be anywhere near the best choice for the good ol' Cap'n.

croc3629:
Just picture it:

"I'M THE GODDAMN CAPTAIN!"

Close. My bet is on "I AM GODDAMN AMERICA!"

No, no, nonononono NOPE. Horrible, horrible idea. I didn't think it could get worse after Remender's hatchetjob of the character but this would probably even top that. Frank Miller is the last person I want to see writing Cap, it'd be a disaster of epic proportions

As a story idea it sounds interesting if it was treated with some self awareness (like the Mandarin subversion in Iron Man 3). But an unironic "'Merica the best" story? Nooo

MovieBob:
not being good at making comics anymore.

Bob, that implies that Frank Miller was ever any good at making comics.

Anyway, on to the topic at hand. Should we give a character who specializes in the examination of patriotism and morality to the industry's most detestable human being, a card-carrying misogynistic psychopath who accomplishes the impossible by having a more pronounced rape fetish than Alan Moore does, who has never written anything worth reading, and who poisoned superhero comics beyond repair in the mid-eighties by ushering in the Dark Age?

What do you think, Darth Vader?

Jinjer:
No, no, nonononono NOPE. Horrible, horrible idea. I didn't think it could get worse after Remender's hatchetjob of the character but this would probably even top that. Frank Miller is the last person I want to see writing Cap, it'd be a disaster of epic proportions

Yes. It would be such a disaster I almost want to see it, but no.

I do like Dark Knight Rises, but I can't think of anything else of his 'good stuff' I've read.
Well, Sin City maybe. It wasn't really for me though, so I'm not sure how good it was since I quickly lost interest in it.

I remember when Frank Miller started talking about Muslims and then Holy Terror and we were all like, "Woah. Frank Miller is racist, that came out of no where." And then we looked back on Dark Knight Returns and Sin City and it was like, "Oh... Ohhhhh..."

Seriously, when he says Captain America represents lost aspects of America, he means bigotry. He could write plenty of characters terribly, but if he wrote Captain America, ugh...

This would be considered tame in comparison:

Am I seriously the only one here that's always seen Frank Miller as nothing but a complete idiot since the first time I heard about him?

My reaction won't be terribly original: No. Frank, after Holy Terror, All-Star Goddamn Batman and Robin Boy Wonder, Age Twelve and Dark Knight Strikes Again, nobody would be braindead enough to give you a mainstream superhero, and the one that has a movie franchise around him at taht.

JoshuaMadoc:
Am I seriously the only one here that's always seen Frank Miller as nothing but a complete idiot since the first time I heard about him?

No, your not.
However, he has done some good writing in the past. While in recent years being a complete political nutjob, should be considered in the complete rejection of this idea.
Cap is not the right character for Miller's style of writing. At all, ever.

Lieju:

Jinjer:
No, no, nonononono NOPE. Horrible, horrible idea. I didn't think it could get worse after Remender's hatchetjob of the character but this would probably even top that. Frank Miller is the last person I want to see writing Cap, it'd be a disaster of epic proportions

Yes. It would be such a disaster I almost want to see it, but no.

I do like Dark Knight Rises, but I can't think of anything else of his 'good stuff' I've read.
Well, Sin City maybe. It wasn't really for me though, so I'm not sure how good it was since I quickly lost interest in it.

His Daredevil run was magic and renewed my love of comic books for a decade. One issue has Captain America in it. It is told from Matt Murdock's perspective. He can tell someone outside his building wants to speak to him in private. He exits and chases someone so fast and graceful, he can't keep up. He hears a window creak under the weigh of the person swinging from it (cap) and thinks the person must weigh at least 300 lbs. Just really cool. And his cap is really cool.

That written, I was so excited to see Robocop 2 as he was writing the screenplay. It was so ugly and episodic I nearly walked out. I never walk out of a movie. And this really tempted me a lot.

300 was fantastic, but I don't know how involved he was with it. Sin City? Meh. He is so hit or miss, I really want them to stick with the guys that wrote Cap 2. Best movie of the season IMHO.

Sigfodr:

This would be considered tame in comparison:

Dear god, what happened to Cap's face? He looks like a freaking zombie! Also, racism from someone who fought with a Frenchmen. Nice.

OT: Honestly, I kind of want this to happen, so we can have something to point to and say "THIS IS WHAT YOU DON'T DO WITH CAPTAIN AMERICA!" for future reference. Sure, it'd be a Metroid Other M/Highlander The Source/Teen Titans Go style canon defiler, but Cap can be kind of tricky to write without just turning him and his enemies into strawmen sometimes. Having something that we can definitively point to and say "don't write him like this" could be useful.

Yeah, because what I want in a Captain America film is him breaking into random civilian houses and fucking up farmers 'Taken' style so he can find leads on TUURREREST hideouts.

This honestly sounds like the worst freaking idea Marvel could do... although I actually kind of liked 'The Spirit'.

Sigfodr:

This would be considered tame in comparison:

I truly, TRULY despise this attitude that France is some how cowardly for surrendering, it's not like they had a choice and their civilians still fought back as best they could. Especially coming from American patriots, took you guys a good few years to even get involved, also, wasn't there a more recent war where you guys surrendered. I don't want to step on the toes of any soldiers, those guys/gals have enough to deal with but this anti-french attitude has always pissed me off...

AND I'M ENGLISH!

JoshuaMadoc:
Am I seriously the only one here that's always seen Frank Miller as nothing but a complete idiot since the first time I heard about him?

Well, I didn't always feel that way... back in the days when sin city was still his most prominent credit, I kind of regarded him the same way I do michael bay... man does jingoism and violence. Not for me, but whatever.

Then all star batman and robin happened... and then I heard about how he wanted to use batman as the hero of a catharsis comic in which he went around torturing and killing brown people.

Now, I, too, suspect he's a few apple dippers short of a kid's meal.

Thats a shame, could have seen Captain America flying into Pakistan to knock out Bin Laden with his shield. A modern take on the comic in which he knocked out Hitler. lol.

Yeah, I have a feeling we should probably keep Frank Miller away from Captain America. Like, forever.

And now the "Whores" comic. Because, hey, it's a Miller thread it has to be posted at-least once:

Oooooh I bet he does. Captain Patriot act himself would be right at home, and I'm sure he would do his best to make those winged ears looks curiously like bat ears.

PunkRex:
Yeah, because what I want in a Captain America film is him breaking into random civilian houses and fucking up farmers 'Taken' style so he can find leads on TUURREREST hideouts.

This honestly sounds like the worst freaking idea Marvel could do... although I actually kind of liked 'The Spirit'.

Sigfodr:

This would be considered tame in comparison:

I truly, TRULY despise this attitude that France is some how cowardly for surrendering, it's not like they had a choice and their civilians still fought back as best they could. Especially coming from American patriots, took you guys a good few years to even get involved, also, wasn't there a more recent war where you guys surrendered. I don't want to step on the toes of any soldiers, those guys/gals have enough to deal with but this anti-french attitude has always pissed me off...

AND I'M ENGLISH!

I agree with the whole "knock off the French-bashing." As an American, I keep in mind that their involvement in the Revolution is a major reason my country even exists. If anything, shouldn't the US helping to liberate France in WWII sort of count as returning a favor?

That said, I actually find that last panel kind've hilarious just in the coupling of the gritty setting with such a stupid line.

Hyperstorm:

croc3629:
Just picture it:

"I'M THE GODDAMN CAPTAIN!"

Close. My bet is on "I AM GODDAMN AMERICA!"

my bet is "I AM 'MURICA!"

vid87:
As an American, I keep in mind that their involvement in the Revolution is a major reason my country even exists.

I guess it is fairly American to be against a stereotype because you're cripplingly incompetent at history.

The US was aided in its revolution by the French Monarchy, that was quite literally five countries ago, historically. The current nation referred to as 'France' is usually called 'the Fifth republic' for a reason, and it's not that they're the same country that shared the geographic location in the 1770s. The handoffs between the imperial and republic nations weren't exactly peaceful affairs focused on maintaining cultural continuity, either.

Even the most forgiving estimates of what constitutes being the "same country" would start France in the 1870s at best (the last time the transition _officially_ consisted of a mob running around killing everyone and starting from scratch).

(All this aside, it's fairly appropriate for Captain America to pull that joke out of his hat because his ostensible generation was the one that started the meme/joke during WW2.)

vid87:

PunkRex:
Yeah, because what I want in a Captain America film is him breaking into random civilian houses and fucking up farmers 'Taken' style so he can find leads on TUURREREST hideouts.

This honestly sounds like the worst freaking idea Marvel could do... although I actually kind of liked 'The Spirit'.

Sigfodr:

This would be considered tame in comparison:

I truly, TRULY despise this attitude that France is some how cowardly for surrendering, it's not like they had a choice and their civilians still fought back as best they could. Especially coming from American patriots, took you guys a good few years to even get involved, also, wasn't there a more recent war where you guys surrendered. I don't want to step on the toes of any soldiers, those guys/gals have enough to deal with but this anti-french attitude has always pissed me off...

AND I'M ENGLISH!

I agree with the whole "knock off the French-bashing." As an American, I keep in mind that their involvement in the Revolution is a major reason my country even exists. If anything, shouldn't the US helping to liberate France in WWII sort of count as returning a favor?

That said, I actually find that last panel kind've hilarious just in the coupling of the gritty setting with such a stupid line.

Aye, I never understood where the French bashing came from for some Americans, especially considering their precious Statue of Liberty was constructed by the French as a result of (like you say) the American revolution.

I mean the French and the English rib each other because we spent many years fighting each other. Even then, we don't say anything about them being /cowards/, just garlic munching bastards.

I'll just steal this image from the Facebook comments to show how Cap /should/ be written.

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Jim_Callahan:

vid87:
As an American, I keep in mind that their involvement in the Revolution is a major reason my country even exists.

I guess it is fairly American to be against a stereotype because you're cripplingly incompetent at history.

The US was aided in its revolution by the French Monarchy, that was quite literally five countries ago, historically. The current nation referred to as 'France' is usually called 'the Fifth republic' for a reason, and it's not that they're the same country that shared the geographic location in the 1770s. The handoffs between the imperial and republic nations weren't exactly peaceful affairs focused on maintaining cultural continuity, either.

Even the most forgiving estimates of what constitutes being the "same country" would start France in the 1870s at best (the last time the transition _officially_ consisted of a mob running around killing everyone and starting from scratch).

(All this aside, it's fairly appropriate for Captain America to pull that joke out of his hat because his ostensible generation was the one that started the meme/joke during WW2.)

Sorry, you're calling him cripplingly incompetent at History for...what exactly? What's your point?

You said it yourself, "The US was aided in it's revolution by the French Monarchy". He never mentioned anything to do with French Political upheaval or French history, just that the French helped America during the American Revolution, which they did. The people in whatever shape, politically or geographically it is now were and still are French. It was was still France in the 1770s, regardless of how it was run, and the people living there were French. Ergo it is not "cripplingly incompetent" to refer to the people there in the 1770s as French.

Also, I've NEVER heard France referred to as the Fith Republic before now. Ever. I know that it is the case now, but noone I know has ever heard France called the Fith Republic.

Actually that's a point, it's the FITH repbulic of France.

Gorfias:

Lieju:

Jinjer:
No, no, nonononono NOPE. Horrible, horrible idea. I didn't think it could get worse after Remender's hatchetjob of the character but this would probably even top that. Frank Miller is the last person I want to see writing Cap, it'd be a disaster of epic proportions

Yes. It would be such a disaster I almost want to see it, but no.

I do like Dark Knight Rises, but I can't think of anything else of his 'good stuff' I've read.
Well, Sin City maybe. It wasn't really for me though, so I'm not sure how good it was since I quickly lost interest in it.

His Daredevil run was magic and renewed my love of comic books for a decade. One issue has Captain America in it. It is told from Matt Murdock's perspective. He can tell someone outside his building wants to speak to him in private. He exits and chases someone so fast and graceful, he can't keep up. He hears a window creak under the weigh of the person swinging from it (cap) and thinks the person must weigh at least 300 lbs. Just really cool. And his cap is really cool.

I too love his run on Daredevil, but sadly if he were writing it today Nuke would've probably been a hero rather than a tragic villain.

Anyway, there's no way that Disney-owned Marvel is going to let him anywhere near any of their movie franchised characters, he's toxic at this point (and has diminished as an artist/storyteller). There's nothing stopping him making an ersatz Cap and doing his own thing though, but he seems to really crave that iconography for his own political reasons.

Jim_Callahan:

vid87:
As an American, I keep in mind that their involvement in the Revolution is a major reason my country even exists.

I guess it is fairly American to be against a stereotype because you're cripplingly incompetent at history.

The US was aided in its revolution by the French Monarchy, that was quite literally five countries ago, historically. The current nation referred to as 'France' is usually called 'the Fifth republic' for a reason, and it's not that they're the same country that shared the geographic location in the 1770s. The handoffs between the imperial and republic nations weren't exactly peaceful affairs focused on maintaining cultural continuity, either.

Even the most forgiving estimates of what constitutes being the "same country" would start France in the 1870s at best (the last time the transition _officially_ consisted of a mob running around killing everyone and starting from scratch).

(All this aside, it's fairly appropriate for Captain America to pull that joke out of his hat because his ostensible generation was the one that started the meme/joke during WW2.)

*broadly insults all Americans, calling them "incompetent at history"
*doesn't know how centuries work

The American revolution started less than 250 years ago. Even rounding up, that's only three centuries.

Even if you want to stretch and count part of a century as "a historical century" (we're only 14 years into ours), well, let's see. Currently it's the 21st century. 20th, 19th, 18th... still three.

Before calling people "cripplingly incompetent", you should really check your own math.

Looks like im not the only one morbidly curious to see what would happen if miller did write a captain America story

I liked Robocop 2, but the Miller who wrote that and the Miller of today are very different people.

He can write the US Agent movie. Or maybe the Punisher.

Short version...

Not sure if Frank Miller is Dutch or not, but you get the idea.

Frank, whatever notions you have of reclaiming your former glory better be prepped to be burned along with the rest of your career. I'd list all of your faults and failures, but I'm sure the Internet (Linkara mostly) has done that job for me.

Although we're still waiting (and dreading) for an Atop The Fourth Wall review of Holy Terror.

Mr. Miller, I defer to Dr. Cox on this matter.

MovieBob:
"features virtues that my country has either lost or misplaced for a very long time," and that "I remember telling people at Marvel, just a few days after 9/11, that I hoped they realized what they had there, because Captain America's reaction to 9/11 would have been pretty direct."

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE.

I don't have enough NOPE in my body to accurately portray the amount of NOPE I am brimming with.

JoshuaMadoc:
Am I seriously the only one here that's always seen Frank Miller as nothing but a complete idiot since the first time I heard about him?

Considering my first impression of him was "What, are you an idiot? Are you RETARDED or something? I'm the GODDAMNED BATMAN", no, no you are not. :P

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