Gary Oldman Slams "Political Correctness," Calls Dark Knight Movies "Work"

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Gary Oldman Slams "Political Correctness," Calls Dark Knight Movies "Work"

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The Dawn of The Planet of The Apes star burns some bridges in blistering interview with Playboy

If you live in the Los Angeles area and happened to hear a blood-curdling scream earlier this evening, it might well have been 20th Century Fox's investors for Dawn of The Planet of The Apes getting word that the July/August issue of Playboy Magazine includes an in-depth interview in which star Gary Oldman slams "political correctness," defends Mel Gibson's anti-semitic rants and mused about calling U.S. Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi "a f****** useless c***."

The famously private acting legend, whose stature as a rare conservative-leaning Hollywood presence has been long known, unloaded on these and a variety of topics toward the end of the lengthy interview when the subject turned to public controversies involving celebrities like Alec Baldwin and Gibson (whom Oldman describes as being "...in a town that's run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he's actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him") before segueing into a rant against Jon Stewart and Bill Maher being able to "hide behind comedy and satire." He also came to the defense of a Creationist schoolteacher being sued for discrimination by the parents of a Buddhist student.

Elsewhere in the interview (which is quite a fascinating if lengthy read), Oldman talks candidly about raising his sons, his battle with alcoholism and subsequent sobriety. He also offers negative appraisals of some of his most famous roles, some of which are guaranteed to shock many fans: Sid & Nancy? "I didn't want to make it in the first place." Immortal Beloved: "I was the wrong person to play Beethoven." The Fifth Element: "Oh no. I can't bear it." He also dismissed his fan-favorite roles in the Harry Potter and Dark Knight franchises with "It was work."

It wasn't all doom and gloom, though: Oldman did offer praise to the script of Apes, along with expressing admiration for conservative political commentator Charles Krauthammer, David Bowie and Demi Moore (who he credited with convincing him to get sober over a decade ago). After Apes, he will next be seen in Child 44.

Source: Playboy
(Note: It's PLAYBOY, so link is obviously NSFW.)

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so no one is doubting the legitimacy?

Otherwise, meh, actors are people and just like people have opinions ranging from stupid to interesting

Well after reading the article it's not as bad as I thought, I mean he's really just mad about the double standards that Hollywood seems to have a lot of the time.

I'm really just hoping this doesn't blow up into some massive controversy because I'd hate to see him get blacklisted for having an opinion that's different from everyone else.

Hawk eye1466:
Well after reading the article it's not as bad as I thought, I mean he's really just mad about the double standards that Hollywood seems to have a lot of the time.
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what double standards? just out of interest?

Some of these celebrities really need to learn moderation. When Alec Baldwin says something like this or does something stupid, it's never anything particularly huge and he's done it enough times that nobody thinks any less of him for it, just a quirk of being Alec Baldwin. Then there's Mel Gibson and Charlie Sheen, who have gone so long that they just let it out all at once, burning all the bridges in one giant atom-splitting blast of verbiage. That kind of retention can decrease your lifespan by 10 years! I had respect for Gary Oldman, even with the silly string of commercials he's been in lately. He's a solid thespian. But he hasn't punched the proverbial nun in the face yet so I forgive him for being a conservative. It's just too bad he thinks so badly of his previous works, although this is a curse of many great artists.

Deadcyde:
so no one is doubting the legitimacy?

Despite what some may believe, Playboy interviewing someone as big as Oldman isn't something of particular note given the magazine's history. They have far to much to lose if it was fake, and that's before going into the long history they have with interviewing celebrities. Plus they're editors are probably to smart to allow something like this to be released if it was fake given it would open them up for a lawsuit because of slander (it might not be that much, but you're dame sure I would be pissed if someone accused me of defending Gibson)

Sid and Nancy has 92%. Immortal Beloved has 58%. Fifth Element has 71%. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has 91%. Dark Knight movies have over 85%.

These are not exactly bad movies, or shameful in any way. Accepting them when you have options and then calling them "just work", is arrogant and narcissistic. He's a good actor, but my god is he an asshole.

P.S. And really? We're back to that "jews run the hollywood" bullshit? Fucking grow up, man. So dumb.

"Bitter, old actor yells racist things at cloud, more at 11"

Eh, pretty standard whine from somebody who doesn't know when to shut up. If I got worked up over everybody who has ever had a racist opinion I'd be angry for the rest of my life.

Remus:
Some of these celebrities really need to learn moderation. When Alec Baldwin says something like this or does something stupid, it's never anything particularly huge and he's done it enough times that nobody thinks any less of him for it, just a quirk of being Alec Baldwin. Then there's Mel Gibson and Charlie Sheen, who have gone so long that they just let it out all at once, burning all the bridges in one giant atom-splitting blast of verbiage. That kind of retention can decrease your lifespan by 10 years! I had respect for Gary Oldman, even with the silly string of commercials he's been in lately. He's a solid thespian. But he hasn't punched the proverbial nun in the face yet so I forgive him for being a conservative. It's just too bad he thinks so badly of his previous works, although this is a curse of many great artists.

Oldman's is from Lewisham and in Lewisham calling someone a f****** useless c*** is quite mild.

I'm kind of curious, but maybe Jews actually run Hollywood? Leading actors in the industry would know best. Obviously it's run by money first and foremost, but technically you could make that statement without any antisemitism, like one may say Italians run the mob or Vietnamese have the market cornered on pedicures. I'm a Western Canadian, so the concept of 'antisemitism' is kind of foreign to me. I'm just wondering that maybe Hollywood was founded by some old Jewish families, wouldn't really be anything wrong with that.

Or it could be these guys are semi-conspiracy nuts that think the Jews are running everything, in that case forget what I said above!

Vault101:

Hawk eye1466:
Well after reading the article it's not as bad as I thought, I mean he's really just mad about the double standards that Hollywood seems to have a lot of the time.
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what double standards? just out of interest?

Hollywood is traditionally seen as being extremely liberal, politically. Lots of trends have popped up over the years as Hollywood's political angles influenced the films they created. Look no further than the Vietnam War. With huge political backlash and negative public opinion, the vast majority of films set in Vietnam lambast the conflict and offer very negative viewpoints. I can only think of one film that was pro-Vietnam, The Green Berets. And that film probably only managed to get made due to John Wayne's star power.

Well, I disagree with him on a lot of things then, but once again we see the controversy machine firing up and that's what I don't like. Whatever his opinions may be I hope this doesn't impact his job prospects or anything like that, although I doubt it will. For some reason while an opera singer can be forced out of a production over a homophobic post, actors still get work no matter what they say, which is how it should be.

Lol, that is the very first time I have ever read playboy just for the article.

Giving the other high profile incidents that happened this year, I'm really surprised anyone in the public eye would let out a rant like that.

He also came to the defense of a Creationist schoolteacher being sued for discrimination by the parents of a Buddhist student.

I suppose with that comment I've relegated Mr Oldman to the same slot as Tom Cruice; actors I hold on great esteem due to their capability as actors but that pretty much loath as people.

Soviet Heavy:

Vault101:

Hawk eye1466:
Well after reading the article it's not as bad as I thought, I mean he's really just mad about the double standards that Hollywood seems to have a lot of the time.
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what double standards? just out of interest?

Hollywood is traditionally seen as being extremely liberal, politically. Lots of trends have popped up over the years as Hollywood's political angles influenced the films they created. Look no further than the Vietnam War. With huge political backlash and negative public opinion, the vast majority of films set in Vietnam lambast the conflict and offer very negative viewpoints. I can only think of one film that was pro-Vietnam, The Green Berets. And that film probably only managed to get made due to John Wayne's star power.

Which is funny because extras casting tends to be racist for a "liberal" industry.

Whenever they ask for a Hispanic or Latin people for casting, they don't mean real hispanics or latins with actual genetics.

They mean brown people, no tans, with only the darkest skin tones they can find. Hell, when my uncle on set for one of those cop shows as on extra (too many to remember what name, I hate those shows) the terrorists were all of Mexican descent and with only the darkest skin tones they could find. The reasoning that they told him was "middle easterners didn't look middle eastern enough. Mexicans look middle eastern to the average joe." And almost every job after that has the same theory to it. They called him in because he had a dark skin tone and it was a villain, terrorist, or bad guy. Or a patient in a run down hospital.

and if you ask on why they called him specifically, you can sign up with a casting company with a picture. You are then on file and if you are chosen you get called to see if you're available. Most common ones are TV.

They never seem to use anyone in between. Its either white or dark. There is no middle ground in the industry that "hates" racism yet panders to the average racist who can't tell the difference. In fact, looking back that's a common theme in hollywood in all media I have seen.

Then again, these are those pandering cop shows which tend to be the worst but also most prolific employers. The kind of TV shows that think the motherboard and the hard drive were the same thing.

albino boo:

Remus:
Some of these celebrities really need to learn moderation. When Alec Baldwin says something like this or does something stupid, it's never anything particularly huge and he's done it enough times that nobody thinks any less of him for it, just a quirk of being Alec Baldwin. Then there's Mel Gibson and Charlie Sheen, who have gone so long that they just let it out all at once, burning all the bridges in one giant atom-splitting blast of verbiage. That kind of retention can decrease your lifespan by 10 years! I had respect for Gary Oldman, even with the silly string of commercials he's been in lately. He's a solid thespian. But he hasn't punched the proverbial nun in the face yet so I forgive him for being a conservative. It's just too bad he thinks so badly of his previous works, although this is a curse of many great artists.

Oldman's is from Lewisham and in Lewisham calling someone a f****** useless c*** is quite mild.

That's usually how they greet the boss the the morning.

I suppose it shouldn't surprise me at this point that someone would skew their take on the article and present in such a fashion as to drum up even more controversy than it's going to garner on it's own.

I mean, it'd be nice to see an impartial take on the matter, but I don't really expect it.

RandV80:
I'm kind of curious, but maybe Jews actually run Hollywood? Leading actors in the industry would know best. Obviously it's run by money first and foremost, but technically you could make that statement without any antisemitism, like one may say Italians run the mob or Vietnamese have the market cornered on pedicures. I'm a Western Canadian, so the concept of 'antisemitism' is kind of foreign to me. I'm just wondering that maybe Hollywood was founded by some old Jewish families, wouldn't really be anything wrong with that.

Or it could be these guys are semi-conspiracy nuts that think the Jews are running everything, in that case forget what I said above!

Its the second. There are some well known and well connected Jews in hollywood, but the majority of actors and money are white christians as in every industry. People get mad at Jews being "over represented", which means that some industries have more Jews as a percentage then there are Jews as a percentage of the total country. I believe that today Jews represent 0.3% of the US, so if there is an industry with 5-10% Jews, these antisemites jump on the JEWS RULE THE WORLD train. Its true, Jews as a people are under represented in blue collar work and over represented in the white collar industries such as finance, accounting, medicine, entertainment, etc because that's culturally what we idolize and are pushed towards.

"...in a town that's run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he's actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him."

I always love it when this kind of thing is called "political correctness". It furthers my opinion that PC is code word for "acting like a jerk", and that a bunch of angry privileged men are mad at being called out on it.

Yeah, his thesis about "political correctness" seems to be that world would be a better place if we could all just admit that everybody is racist, because apparently people who "persecute" others for their use of racial slurs are hypocrites, because they DEFINITELY use the same words all the time, and in the same context.

Man...I don't even know where to begin with this. I guess, I'll start by saying "No, Gary Oldman. I have actually never called someone a nigger, nor have I ever referred to someone as 'that fucking jew'. So if I object to others speaking like this, I am not actually a hypocrite. Racism is not universal."

Also, he seems to think that a fucking educator "teaching" children the Bible as fact is basically just the teacher sharing their opinion, and Buddhist family suing is somehow suppression of religious freedom. Yes Gary Oldman, let's fucking TALK about double standards.

Sidmen:

"...in a town that's run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he's actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him."

I always love it when this kind of thing is called "political correctness". It furthers my opinion that PC is code word for "acting like a jerk", and that a bunch of angry privileged men are mad at being called out on it.

Uh...Yeah, that's pretty much it.

After reading the article and interview, i really think as often is the case, his comments have been kind of misrepresented here on the escapist.

He really didn't defend Mel Gibson's comments, but his right to say them, and attacked his attackers for being hypocrites.

And yeah, he came to the defense of the creationist teacher, not because it seemed like he thought she was above reproach, but he was attacking the litigious nature of America.

That's how i took it anyways.

Sensationalists will be sensationalists and all that.

I don't agree with everything he did say, but i certainly don't think he came off as bigoted or racist to be honest. I think he just came off as honest, and not afraid to say something that might ruffle some feathers.

WWmelb:
After reading the article and interview, i really think as often is the case, his comments have been kind of misrepresented here on the escapist.

He really didn't defend Mel Gibson's comments, but his right to say them, and attacked his attackers for being hypocrites.

No, that's not what he did. What he did was call JEWS hypocrites in that scenario. Specifically. He specifically said that Jews run Hollywood, and its the fault of the Jews. And then he compared it to Jews using "Kraut" as an insult. Beyond that being rare as hell, unlike antisemetism, when did the Jews kill 6 million of Gibson's people? Never you say? So even if some old Jew says Kraut as an insult, we tend to let it slide because of history (likely his/her family or themselves were victims of Nazis) and the fact that the Germans are hardly a vulnerable people what with being one of the strongest countries in the world militarily and economically. So don't give me that, you are completely misrepresenting what he said to make it more palatable.

"So they persecute. Mel Gibson is in a town that's run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he's actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him-and doesn't need to feed him anymore because he's got enough dough. He's like an outcast, a leper, you know? But some Jewish guy in his office somewhere hasn't turned and said, "That fucking kraut" or "Fuck those Germans," whatever it is?"

The fact that he then goes on and uses the old "everyone's racist" line does not absolve him of what he said specifically in relation to the Gibson case.

AJey:
Sid and Nancy has 92%. Immortal Beloved has 58%. Fifth Element has 71%. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has 91%. Dark Knight movies have over 85%.

These are not exactly bad movies, or shameful in any way. Accepting them when you have options and then calling them "just work", is arrogant and narcissistic. He's a good actor, but my god is he an asshole.

A lot of the actors aren't as enthusiastic about the movies they do, despite their commercial success, cult status or whatever, as the general public is. Alec Guinness (Ben Kenobi) for example pretty much hated Star Wars and thought very little of the script. That's a star actor in one of the (I think THE, actually) most commercially successful films of all time, which is also a cult movie and very well received and rated.

People do jobs. Regardless of what you may think of the job done, it doesn't mean the person who did it loved doing it. I may love how friendly the cashier in the local grocery store is, but that doesn't mean she's sitting there thinking "this is the best job in the world!". Same goes for any profession.

On those other opinions though... yeah, he sounds a bit nuts, though not enough so for me to stop appreciating him as an actor.

Sidmen:

"...in a town that's run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he's actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him."

I always love it when this kind of thing is called "political correctness". It furthers my opinion that PC is code word for "acting like a jerk", and that a bunch of angry privileged men are mad at being called out on it.

That's right on the spot, well said.

This is pretty much why I avoid reading interviews with actors and musicians I like. It's quite disappointing realizing that a person whose work you've enjoyed is a fucking moron. I know it's silly, but there's a definite stain associated with that.

I know this may be hard for people to wrap their heads around, but there are, in fact, parts of this country where liberalism has become so entrenched that it has devolved into its own kind of conservatism - dogmatic, self-justified, and intolerant/dismissive of anyone who fails to tow the party line. As someone who grew up in litigious, left-leaning California, I can tell you personally that it can be really insidious, especially if you actually uphold liberal principles on a personal level but feel alienated from the indoctrinated mainstream.

Politics at large are always subject to human nature, and people at all levels of society claiming to represent unimpeachable liberal moral standards can be pretty damn cynical in their approach to power that brings, particularly in a left-leaning environment where those views are considered the norm. The irony is that when you strip away the specifics, this is not so unlike the way people treat religious morality in predominately conservative environments.

As for what the New York Times has called Oldman's "Profanity Laced Tirade", his main point seems to be that everyone has said vulgar, intolerant things at some point in their lives and that the media is overeager to scapegoat famous people for doing so because it makes money and furthers their own politics. I can't really speak to the examples Oldman chooses to make his point, but I think the heart of the matter is that they don't really matter, because he's just an actor and should be entitled to his beliefs, whether or not anyone else likes them. If his views really bother you, I suppose you should boycott his movies, though unless he is putting his money towards his own politics, this seems somewhat intolerant of an artist who before now has been generally known for keeping his mouth shut about what he believes.

If you felt alienated and under constant scrutiny, regardless of the specifics of your views versus those of the people around you, you'd probably get pissed from time to time as well. Now, the guy is probably going to be painted as a monster by left-leaning media outlets looking to turn a quick buck by sensationalizing the matter.

I dare anyone reading this to claim they've never said anything that would get them figuratively crucified by at least half of the country if it were published all over the national news tomorrow. (If you do, sir or madame, I will be happy to kindly inform you that you are full of shit.)

Joos:

He also came to the defense of a Creationist schoolteacher being sued for discrimination by the parents of a Buddhist student.

I suppose with that comment I've relegated Mr Oldman to the same slot as Tom Cruice; actors I hold on great esteem due to their capability as actors but that pretty much loath as people.

Just note that everything he said is being quoted out of context, this article is misssing the point by miles. He didn't defend the teacher, he latched out at the parents for suing instead of just complaining. And he didn't call anyone a c***, he just stated that if he were to do so, he would get in trouble, but if he did it as part of Jon Stewarts comedy act, it would be A-Ok.

AJey:
Sid and Nancy has 92%. Immortal Beloved has 58%. Fifth Element has 71%. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has 91%. Dark Knight movies have over 85%.

These are not exactly bad movies, or shameful in any way. Accepting them when you have options and then calling them "just work", is arrogant and narcissistic. He's a good actor, but my god is he an Asshole.

He isn't obligated to like the movies he stars in, it is his work and he just happened to tell the truth, that doesn't devalue his performance. I would imagine that he probably have different taste, maybe he would be more favourable if he talked about Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy or some of his other well recieved movies.

Has anyone here actually read the interview instead of just this article that seemingly reeks of sensationalism and intentional misrepresentation ?

James Crook:
Has anyone here actually read the interview instead of just this article that seemingly reeks of sensationalism and intentional misrepresentation ?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Okay got that out of my system.

Read a linked to article before posting are you serious.

PLAYBOY: What's your view of the future? Are you optimistic about where society is heading?

OLDMAN: [Pauses] You're asking Gary?

PLAYBOY: Yes.

Okaaay...... a little odd....

Chairman Miaow:
PLAYBOY: What's your view of the future? Are you optimistic about where society is heading?

OLDMAN: [Pauses] You're asking Gary?

PLAYBOY: Yes.

Okaaay...... a little odd....

They're in the middle of talking about the upcoming Planet of the Apes film in which he plays the leader of a band of human survivors. I guess he wanted to clarify whether the interviewer was asking "What's your character's view of future society?" or "What's your view of future society?".

James Crook:
Has anyone here actually read the interview instead of just this article that seemingly reeks of sensationalism and intentional misrepresentation ?

This is an article with a sensationalist title about a semi-conservative celebrity's interview containing semi-conservative views, posted on a mainly liberal gaming site, so no, most people here will just knee-jerk and will not read the original Playboy interview before commenting.
I'm mostly liberal minded myself and still I can agree with some of the stuff Oldman says. Then again I have no issue with Tom Cruise either, he's awesome. Charlie Sheen on the other hand...

maxben:

WWmelb:
After reading the article and interview, i really think as often is the case, his comments have been kind of misrepresented here on the escapist.

He really didn't defend Mel Gibson's comments, but his right to say them, and attacked his attackers for being hypocrites.

No, that's not what he did. What he did was call JEWS hypocrites in that scenario. Specifically. He specifically said that Jews run Hollywood, and its the fault of the Jews. And then he compared it to Jews using "Kraut" as an insult. Beyond that being rare as hell, unlike antisemetism, when did the Jews kill 6 million of Gibson's people? Never you say? So even if some old Jew says Kraut as an insult, we tend to let it slide because of history (likely his/her family or themselves were victims of Nazis) and the fact that the Germans are hardly a vulnerable people what with being one of the strongest countries in the world militarily and economically. So don't give me that, you are completely misrepresenting what he said to make it more palatable.

"So they persecute. Mel Gibson is in a town that's run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he's actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him-and doesn't need to feed him anymore because he's got enough dough. He's like an outcast, a leper, you know? But some Jewish guy in his office somewhere hasn't turned and said, "That fucking kraut" or "Fuck those Germans," whatever it is?"

The fact that he then goes on and uses the old "everyone's racist" line does not absolve him of what he said specifically in relation to the Gibson case.

And the spin you put on this is just as bad.

Here is the WHOLE Paragraph

"Alec calling someone an F-A-G in the street while he's pissed off coming out of his building because they won't leave him alone. I don't blame him. So they persecute. Mel Gibson is in a town that's run by Jews and he said the wrong thing because he's actually bitten the hand that I guess has fed him-and doesn't need to feed him anymore because he's got enough dough. He's like an outcast, a leper, you know? But some Jewish guy in his office somewhere hasn't turned and said, "That fucking kraut" or "Fuck those Germans," whatever it is? We all hide and try to be so politically correct. That's what gets me. It's just the sheer hypocrisy of everyone, that we all stand on this thing going, "Isn't that shocking?" [smiles wryly] All right. Shall I stop talking now? What else can we discuss?"

Yeah, how he phrases things is insensitive, but that seems to be kind of his point.

Anyway, you started your quote from the article at a point where he was talking about Alec Baldwyn, who insulted someone with a pretty bland but insensitive insult, then cut the quote off halfway through, and finished it with your own interpretation of what he said, not his actual words.

He said everyone's a hypocrite but when it sells to do so they'll stand on they're soapboxes and act like it's the end of the fucking world.

And you know what? He's not far off there about society in general.

I'm not defending him either by the way, a lot of his comments left a really bad taste in my mouth, but, you know what? i get where he is coming from. He's pissed off at having tiptoe around everyone and act all PC all the time, for the hypocritical masses who will jump on anyone for anything, when.. in all seriousness, MOST people have fucking said something stupid/insensitive/hurtful in their lives, but won't forgive it of anyone else.

Oh and seriously

maxben:

So even if some old Jew says Kraut as an insult, we tend to let it slide because of history (likely his/her family or themselves were victims of Nazis) and the fact that the Germans are hardly a vulnerable people what with being one of the strongest countries in the world militarily and economically.

I'm sorry that doesn't fly with me. Yes the holocaust was fucking tragic, and we all wish it never happened, however.

Racism isn't a pissing contest. "I've been more persecuted than you in the past so it's A-OK if i'm a bigot towards a nationality.

I don't accept that.

Like i said, he old Gary comes off as a prick in this interview, but dear god do i find it refreshing reading an interview like that isn't just all smiles and PC responses and movie plugs.

The man's human, and not the most likable one, but definitely a real one.

Really earning that surname, Gary.

For the record, I don't think Gary was defending Baldwin or Gibson. It's still pretty awful of him to keep bringing up the "run by Jews" stereotype of Hollywood. (After seeing the whole quote, I now believe he may have been defending them)

So basically, Gary Oldman is kind of an asshole. Okay, I gotcha. Guess that makes Zorg getting his has blown up funnier now.

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