War Prime Sci-Fi Miniatures Come To Kickstarter

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War Prime Sci-Fi Miniatures Come To Kickstarter

War Prime

The miniatures include design by a Diablo and Borderlands veteran.

Kingmaker games has launched a Kickstarter for a new line of Sci-Fi miniatures called War Prime. The miniatures, representing a variety of aliens, soldiers, and vehicles from a far-future setting, are in the same 28mm scale used by most other popular Sci-Fi tabletop games - most notably Warhammer 40,000. Citing an increase in the cost of miniatures in the past few years, Kingmaker hopes that its War Prime line of minis will stand as a lower-cost alternative to others' products. If the current Kickstarter successfully funds, Kingmaker will distribute their miniatures through online channels afterwards.

War Prime is set in a future space where humanity rules a large empire that is being decimated by a "cosmic anomaly of unknown origin." Seeing the humans' weakness, other alien races step in to conquer long-lost territory or simply seek revenge on the dominant species.

You can check out the full project on Kickstarter.

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They look like someone spliced a terran marine with a 40K astartes

A cheaper but comparable game to tabletop Warhammer 40k, we should all be interested. That shit is way too expensive.

So...Warhammer 4000K but affordable? Sneaky.

Personally I don't like it. This is almost Fortresscarft levels of copying. Making an almost carbon copy of someone else's work is just wrong.

How affordable is "affordable"? Because it had better be about 1/5th of the price of Games Workshop. I love the universe and such of Warhammer 40K, but that shit is just far, FAR too overpriced. Its about time some competition came along and forced them to re-think their pricing model.

Good luck to them, for themselves and for the sake of Games Workshop. Maybe if they get their arses kicked enough they will sort themselves out, these guys are supporting things like "Bitz" and kitbashing which are pretty important things to a lot of war gamers. Stuff that GW have gone out of their way to stamp out when they used to support it, GWs treatment of retailers has been even worse than the customers too and those guys are as much as lifeblood of the community as the players themselves.

A company that deals with the small hobby shops and online retailers in a fair way will find itself with an inherent advantage in the first place as they are more likely to get shelf space and website updates, combine that with decent prices on the miniatures in the first place and support for the hobbyists and modellers and they could do well.

I don't want GW to die and I have liked the 40k universe for decades but their anti consumer and anti retailer practices crossed the line a long time ago, unless they shape up they deserve to go out of business.

epicdwarf:
Making an almost carbon copy of someone else's work is just wrong.

Warhammer 40K is built on homages, appropriations, and downright ripoffs. It just has twenty years of lore built up.

It looks way to similar to 40K and even though i'm all for sticking it to those money hun-

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Wa... was that a alien riding a dinosaur?

Soviet Heavy:

epicdwarf:
Making an almost carbon copy of someone else's work is just wrong.

Warhammer 40K is built on homages, appropriations, and downright ripoffs. It just has twenty years of lore built up.

...And twenty years legal experience too. Good lawyers can enable nearly any business strategy.
Even those that are the most infuriatingly hypocritical.

Looking at the artwork I smell a GW lawsuit coming in 3, 2...

Hope some of that money is going to hiring some good lawyers.

I wish them the best quite frankly. As others have said, GW pricing is so ridiculous when compared to other tabletop wargames.

Sincerely hope this succeeds, sounds like a promising thing.

May donate once they get some stuff sorted out for the EU.

Humans do look rather like Space Marines, then again so many things look like Space Marines including no shortage of things older. The Kelk look cooler though and the teasers of the unannounced seem promising.

Can't wait to pit my army of totally-not-space-marines against the armies of totally-not-Orks and totes-not-Eldar.

As a 40K player, I see stuff like this all the time. Best of luck to them, but it seems like they're just taking the 40K setting, reskinning it slightly, coming up with a different ruleset, and selling it to us cheaper.

Cheaper is good, but the thing that gets people into tabletop wargames like this is community. It's hard to change the direction of communities like this when everyone has already bought into it to a substantial degree. Why has no MMO killed WoW? Because it has one of the largest communities that's invested a lot of time, so they aren't willing to leave it behind. This actually is a legitimate phenomenon known as the sunk cost fallacy.

With 40K, take the same amount of time spent using our MMO example and add upwards of $2,000 a person that they've invested. That's a tough thing to ask people who make up your core demographic to do. And, honestly, they probably won't.

The best thing you can do is offer a different, unique experience that isn't playing to capture players. Look at LoL and DotA. They became the next big thing by being a new thing rather than something that is just a fresh coat of paint on the old thing.

Vivi22:
Looking at the artwork I smell a GW lawsuit coming in 3, 2...

I'm honestly suprised they hadn't received a take down notice before this story posted. This has no chance of going forward. Even if the kickstarter could hire a lawyer to fight the suit they are clearly in the wrong here.

el_kabong:
Look at LoL and DotA. They became the next big thing by being a new thing rather than something that is just a fresh coat of paint on the old thing.

Not sure that's the best example to use. Modern DOTA clones are very much a fresh coat of paint on an old thing.

Specifically they go all the way back to the Aeon of Strife map from the original Starcraft. Which was created as a sort of "streamlined" version of Starcraft itself, controlling a single hero unit. From there the idea was refined and along came the massively popular Defense of the Ancients for Warcraft 3 upon which basis League was built; with Valve picking up the license for DOTA itself to make DOTA2.

Being based on a ~15 year old concept isn't exactly a new thing.

Lightspeaker:

el_kabong:
Look at LoL and DotA. They became the next big thing by being a new thing rather than something that is just a fresh coat of paint on the old thing.

Not sure that's the best example to use. Modern DOTA clones are very much a fresh coat of paint on an old thing.

Specifically they go all the way back to the Aeon of Strife map from the original Starcraft. Which was created as a sort of "streamlined" version of Starcraft itself, controlling a single hero unit. From there the idea was refined and along came the massively popular Defense of the Ancients for Warcraft 3 upon which basis League was built; with Valve picking up the license for DOTA itself to make DOTA2.

Being based on a ~15 year old concept isn't exactly a new thing.

Standing on the shoulders of giants to offer something new is not the same as what I see going on in this kickstarter. Having roots in something does not equal no innovation and doesn't mean that it's invalid as a separate creative entity.

I'm not sure if you watched the same video I did, but this seemed like a direct play to try to offer 40K on the cheap, rather than being it's own creative entity, which is why I think it will ultimately fail. I mean, even the setting and major plot is lifted wholesale from 40K fluff: a collapsing human empire that is beset on all sides by alien attackers. In the grim, darkness of the far flung future, there is only war...and unoriginal, uninspired cash grabs.

Raziel:

Vivi22:
Looking at the artwork I smell a GW lawsuit coming in 3, 2...

I'm honestly suprised they hadn't received a take down notice before this story posted. This has no chance of going forward. Even if the kickstarter could hire a lawyer to fight the suit they are clearly in the wrong here.

They're fine. It's an utterly unnewsworthy kickstarter, as dozens of people have done the exact same thing. Many, many companies, notably Mantic, make their money entirely through 40k proxies. It's a time honored tradition that has been repeatedly defended in court.

oh wow. After watching the vid i really see what some people have said about the starcraft and 40k mashup. REEEEKS of it. BUT like many others when i was a kid early teens i did not have the cash to piss away on GW and soon totally fell out of it around 3rd or 4th edtion but still read the books

Meh,I Kinda just want to get them so I can paint them but that would seem like a waste.

If they make good Imperial Guard esque models, I'll buy them and call them the Krieg Primaris VII regiment.

In all seriousness, if they make the models cheaper they won't be selling rulebooks but models, a lot more models. If they look sufficiently awesome and close enough to the source material then its not a stretch for modelers, players, adn fluff lovers to incorporate them in armies, and for a few armies there isn't anything GW can do.

Orks? Yeah those ork boyz riding the giant dinosaurs is legit.

Imperial guard? They are from a new world! Liek the Tanith, or Cadian, or Catachan.

Ftaghn To You Too:
They're fine. It's an utterly unnewsworthy kickstarter, as dozens of people have done the exact same thing. Many, many companies, notably Mantic, make their money entirely through 40k proxies. It's a time honored tradition that has been repeatedly defended in court.

Did you know who or when? This seems a pretty clear violation of trademarks. I find it odd how often gamesworkshop sues people if they often loose the case.

Raziel:

Ftaghn To You Too:
They're fine. It's an utterly unnewsworthy kickstarter, as dozens of people have done the exact same thing. Many, many companies, notably Mantic, make their money entirely through 40k proxies. It's a time honored tradition that has been repeatedly defended in court.

Did you know who or when? This seems a pretty clear violation of trademarks. I find it odd how often gamesworkshop sues people if they often loose the case.

The one that stands out is GW vs. Chapterhouse Studios. Most of the claims came up in CH's favor, as it was decided that GW did not actually hold a trademark on how big pauldrons can be, or on selling miniatures called "Space Marines". Some things GW did win, like individual characters that CH was selling, and power fists, coming out to about a third of the total claims. However, the underlying shapes and sizes of the miniatures, and especially the shoulder pads because where would we be without shoulderpads in 40k, are perfectly allowed to be used by competitors. You can even use some trademarked terms while advertising.

GW got $25,000 out of the deal due to claims they actually won, but that legal precedent stands. All of this happened some time last year.

Could be decent, but my interest hinges on:
1. Are the rules both good and comprehensible without years of study?
2. Are the models customizable and fun to build like Wh40k?
3. Is it interesting enough to convince my friends to switch over with me?

If it can pull off those then "40K but cheaper" certainly has appeal to it.

Those prototypes are damn ugly, even if the 3D sculpts seems ok i'm not really going to look after that kickstarter. i can't feel "the spark" to be honest.

Not really interested in many of those, maybe the guard models. Good luck though, there are plenty of small "not 40k, honest" miniatures companies out there but it's only really Mantic that manage to do them much cheaper and Mantic played it safer with their "space marine" faction.

As far as the rules goes, while they are free, GW has the visible and comparatively accesible shops to go and play in (I think there was a good point in one of the DnD podcasts about WoTC taking steps to foster a community of players and give them places to meet up and play and I think that's all the more relevant here) whereas this is going to be just another small competing game system in a FLGS that already has the likes of Warmachine, Infinity and GW's stuff to compete with. Warmachine's done well by being it's own thing, it looks distinct from 40K and from what I'm told is a smaller skirmish game that plays differently and Infinity at least ripped off Masamune Shirow for it's look. I don't think people will be playing War Prime, they'll be playing 40K with their mini's.

Raziel:
Did you know who or when? This seems a pretty clear violation of trademarks. I find it odd how often gamesworkshop sues people if they often loose the case.

http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/chapterhouse-vs-games-workshop-update.html

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/06/legalwatch-games-workshop-vs_14.html

Some info. IIRC they also lost the rights to tyranid spore mines and the doom of malantai because they hadn't made models for them (at least since the early 90's in the case of spore mines) and other companies filled the gap.

Also, if Scibor Miniatures can get away with it for all these years then I think these guys will be fine. Seriously, have a look and tell me those aren't Space Wolves, Dark Angels etc.

Not to mention Raging Heroes who's business seems to be "Do Warhammer's female models wear too much clothing for your tastes? Well do we have the product for you!"

I wish them good luck, let them tear GW a new asshole and fuck them hard. FUCK THEM HARD IN EVERY HOLE THEY HAVE!!!

And when you're done with that. JUST KEEP MAKING NEW HOLES AND KEEP FUCKING THEM!!!!!!!

Seriously, fuck GW.

el_kabong:
Can't wait to pit my army of totally-not-space-marines against the armies of totally-not-Orks and totes-not-Eldar.

I think I saw some definitely-not-necrons and tau-what-are-those in the video as well.

OT: I'm slightly conflicted about this. On one hand, good on them for making a more affordable 40k alternative, but on the other hand they seem to have ripped off 40k whole-hog in the process. I know 40k isn't the most original thing in the world, but this game only hurts itself by being so outwardly similar. It would have been much more advantageous to make a more original setting.

Risingblade:
Meh,I Kinda just want to get them so I can paint them but that would seem like a waste.

Hey, there's nothing wrong with this. There are people who don't play these games at all, but have a business painting models - or just do it for fun! It's hours of hobby time.

I actually own a WH40K starter pack (Space Marines and Orks) that I didn't really get around to paint and whatnot. I probably wouldn't get around to doing that with these, either, but I'd really love to just combine the models into one Space Marine army. They are so obviously, erm, inspired by WH40K that I think they might be quite nicely compatible.

For those of you who don't get the joke here. They are suppose to look like 'Not Space Marines' because Games Workshop has pretty bad business practices and charges too much fro their products. IT is actually pretty hard and intimidating for people with lower incomes to get into warhammer. I hope this project succeeds but he will probably be sued by GW who think they own the word Space and Marine and anything that looks similar to it.

I like the look! Looking forward to seeing more.

Soviet Heavy:

Warhammer 40K is built on homages, appropriations, and downright ripoffs. It just has twenty years of lore built up.

There is a difference between homage and literally making an almost carbon copy of someone else's product. Example: Fortresscraft

Vivi22:
Looking at the artwork I smell a GW lawsuit coming in 3, 2...

If not GW, Blizzard may or even Privateer Press, some of those armies where ripoffs of different ones already established (I know there can only be so many iteration or "new ideas" but jeez) Good luck I guess but this is becoming rather over saturated with companies like Anvil Industries making figures and there own game.

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