Doctor Who Season 8 Premieres August 23rd

Doctor Who Season 8 Premieres August 23rd

Peter Capaldi will star in his first full episode as the Doctor on BBC and BBC America August 23rd.

Though the BBC had teased us with the tiniest possible teaser trailer and a promise of August, today they've released a slightly longer teaser trailer with an actual date: August 23rd. Along with the date we get a slightly less tiny trailer in that there's actually dialog... albeit not much of it.

"Am I a good man?" Capaldi asks... and that conceit is really what makes Doctor Who's regeneration episodes so interesting. The new actor doesn't yet quite know who he's playing, the audience doesn't quite know who they're watching, and the character himself doesn't yet have the answer to who he is. Regeneration episodes are usually full of surprises... but we can already say for a fact that Capaldi's Doctor is better on the post-regeneration "good man" front than Colin Baker's Doctor, who attacked his companion immediately after regenerating. (In the show's defense, that was during the 1980's.)

Are you looking forward to this new era of Doctor Who are are you already over this 50-year old show? Either way, it's coming to your TV this summer.

Source: io9

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Had to go to the BBC's own website to view this, because despite being from the show's country of origin, the trailer above can't be viewed in this country!

Would it be considered an extreme ideological viewpoint to want the death penalty for anyone publishing or advocating region-locked content?

Region locking the trailer for a show made in my own country.

Seems legit.

That aside, I'm totes hyped for this. I only started watching Dr Who this year, watched everything from Eccleston up to the end of Smith.

Gonna be awesome :3

Daystar Clarion:
Region locking the trailer for a show made in my own country.

Seems legit.

That aside, I'm totes hyped for this. I only started watching Dr Who this year, watched everything from Eccleston up to the end of Smith.

Gonna be awesome :3

You should check out some Classic who to hold you over there's tons of eps to watch.

OT: So excited for this im so glad to have a old man doctor again and not that manchild doctor

My body, is ready.

I rather enjoyed the previous Doctors, even if Moffats gone full on retarded with a lot of the stuff.

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

Seriously BBC? Why the hell would you region lock a trailer, surely you want people to see it, especially those from your own country. I can't see the motivation there at-all, unless they're trying to attract attention to their own website. For any other British Whovians, here's a link that works:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p021r78j

On-topic, I'm excited for this, I was getting a little tired of Smith's Doctor to be honest so I'm hoping this new guy will be a breath of fresh air for the role.

My love of Capaldi has me hopfull but my hope is being kept in cheak by my dislike of Moffat.

But role on a darker Doctor. From what little has been said about Capaldi's Doctor it sounds like he will spend this series doing his best not to become the Valeyard. I imagin it will take him time to get over Trezilor as well. Who knows how long he was on that planet, fighting of all the bad guys. That would screw anyone up.

Of course I'm looking forward to this! Heh, was there ever a doubt? And that's not all I'm looking forward to...

I really wish region locking would go die in some horrid fire and then fall in a pool of acid, region locking only serves to piss us off and tell us we're not welcome.

With that said I can't wait to see what the new doctor brings, I loved Peter's acting in the Thick of it, all those swears.

Also lol at Master Race mention in the clip.

Just expressing the same sentiment as the first post. From the UK, but the video hasn't been made available. Serious /facepalm

Shadow-Phoenix:
I really wish region locking would go die in some horrid fire and then fall in a pool of acid, region locking only serves to piss us off and tell us we're not welcome.

With that said I can't wait to see what the new doctor brings, I loved Peter's acting in the Thick of it, all those swears.

Also lol at Master Race mention in the clip.

Well... that was something.

I can't even imagine the doctor swearing like that.

But 23-8 can't wait.

BAH! I can't watch the trailer!! Stupid region locking!
Anyway, I'm going into this new season with a great deal of apprehension. I do not like Steven Moffit's writing.

harpere:

Though the BBC had teased us with the tiniest possible teaser trailer and a promise of August, today they've released a slightly longer teaser trailer with an actual date: August 23rd.

I'm glad you emphasised slightly, because this is still almost nothing. And it's weird they're trying to be all mysterious here. It's not like we don't know who the Doctor is played by, or Peter Capaldi is an unknown actor, or anything.

canadamus_prime:

Anyway, I'm going into this new season with a great deal of apprehension. I do not like Steven Moffit's writing.

I love his writing. I basically just dislike everything else about his run on the show. He seems unable to structure a long-term narrative, seems to recycle ideas to death (including his own), and seems to just think some rather stupid things.

But Moffatt's credits include many of my favourite New Who episodes. I just would rather he not be the show's front runner.

And sometimes, that he just wouldn't speak.

Zachary Amaranth:

canadamus_prime:

Anyway, I'm going into this new season with a great deal of apprehension. I do not like Steven Moffit's writing.

I love his writing. I basically just dislike everything else about his run on the show. He seems unable to structure a long-term narrative, seems to recycle ideas to death (including his own), and seems to just think some rather stupid things.

But Moffatt's credits include many of my favourite New Who episodes. I just would rather he not be the show's front runner.

And sometimes, that he just wouldn't speak.

I suppose I can agree with that. However I don't know how many plot devices he's introduced and then never utilized properly.

Zachary Amaranth:

I love his writing. I basically just dislike everything else about his run on the show. He seems unable to structure a long-term narrative, seems to recycle ideas to death (including his own), and seems to just think some rather stupid things.

But Moffatt's credits include many of my favourite New Who episodes. I just would rather he not be the show's front runner.

And sometimes, that he just wouldn't speak.

Moffat has penned some of my all time favourite episodes but the last couple of seasons have had some serious stinkers.
The last season in particular was just kind of painful to watch.

I think he needs someone to rein him in.
Someone to go "No, Moffat, no more wibbly wobbly today" or someone to put a quota on how many times he can get characters to say "Doctor Who" in an episode. I think he's just too much of a fanboy so he tries to make everything as Who-y as possible and, in doing so, just makes some really convoluted story arcs.

That and the "River Song" female characters need to stop, you know the type.
I miss the days when the companion wasn't a big mysterious timey wimey entity and Eccleston just picked up Rose in an estate.

Well, another resident of the British Isles who had to go searching for an alternative source for this trailer for a British tv series uploaded by to an official BBC youtube channel.

I guess we'll just have to see what the "new" New New Who episodes will be like. There was an article in some SF magazine over here that made everything sounds great (on paper) but whether all that can translate into a good season in practice remains to be seen.

I think Moffat should just stick to writing the occasional good episode (which we know he can do) and not try to pen some insanely convoluted story only matched in complexity of his relationship with whoever he runs into this episode.

Gizmo1990:
My love of Capaldi has me hopfull but my hope is being kept in cheak by my dislike of Moffat.

But role on a darker Doctor. From what little has been said about Capaldi's Doctor it sounds like he will spend this series doing his best not to become the Valeyard. I imagin it will take him time to get over Trezilor as well. Who knows how long he was on that planet, fighting of all the bad guys. That would screw anyone up.

I'm really hoping they do something regarding the Valeyard, it's been touched on with Tennants darker side and it would be absoloutely pointless for Richard E Grants character (Symion?) to mention the Valeyard if they wern't going to use it. Plus Capaldi is certainly the man who could pull it off; dude looks ominous enough as it is.

canadamus_prime:

I suppose I can agree with that. However I don't know how many plot devices he's introduced and then never utilized properly.

I'ma go with "all of them."

....Well, okay, he's not that bad, but things do seem to be dropped. One of the big complaints I've seen about the final special with Matt Smith is that they still left a bunch of things unfinished. The ones I know they finished up were mostly unsatisfactory.

And then there's the things he doesn't drop, like Season 6's arc. I liked a lot of the individual episodes, but GAWD.

Colour Scientist:

Moffat has penned some of my all time favourite episodes but the last couple of seasons have had some serious stinkers.
The last season in particular was just kind of painful to watch.

I think he needs someone to rein him in.
Someone to go "No, Moffat, no more wibbly wobbly today" or someone to put a quota on how many times he can get characters to say "Doctor Who" in an episode. I think he's just too much of a fanboy so he tries to make everything as Who-y as possible and, in doing so, just makes some really convoluted story arcs.

That and the "River Song" female characters need to stop, you know the type.
I miss the days when the companion wasn't a big mysterious timey wimey entity and Eccleston just picked up Rose in an estate.

He really does need to be reined in.

I'm hoping the Buffy Speak will be toned down for 12 and Capaldi. From the very little I know, it doesn't seem he's going to be a similar Doctor. With Smith it was somewhat forgivable, as he was playing a 900+ year old child. The guy who didn't want to be a grown-up. But if he continues it with a more serious Doctor, yeah. Ugh. And the "Doctor Who?" thing, hopefully the limit counts all the extras he's accrued, because I could do a couple years without hearing it. It's cute occasionally, but...Blarg.

Moffatt repeats a lot of things, though. The "River Song" type character as you mention, but also things like killing Rory over and over again, or parting ways with Rory/Amy or Clara over and over again, the ad nauseum drama of Amy "choosing" between the Doctor and Rory (doesn't she make the same choice like, twice a season), etc. I know the examples I give are mostly Amy-centric, but they were a big part of two of the seasons.

This was also the case before he became the lead, but his adventures were more spaced out and didn't have an overall arc going on. He's got like three times the episodes to his name and he's setting the overall plot. It's a loooooooot easier to see a pattern.

So yeah. Rein him in indeed. And maybe get someone to go over his work for retreads.

Zachary Amaranth:

canadamus_prime:

I suppose I can agree with that. However I don't know how many plot devices he's introduced and then never utilized properly.

I'ma go with "all of them."

....Well, okay, he's not that bad, but things do seem to be dropped. One of the big complaints I've seen about the final special with Matt Smith is that they still left a bunch of things unfinished. The ones I know they finished up were mostly unsatisfactory.

And then there's the things he doesn't drop, like Season 6's arc. I liked a lot of the individual episodes, but GAWD.

The most egregious I can think of is the whole Trensalor thing. After seeing the battlefield of Trenselor in "The Name of the Doctor" I was expecting something epic out of that, but nope;

What a disappointing send off for Matt Smith too. Also I thought that whole 12 regenerations thing had been retconed or something.

canadamus_prime:

The most egregious I can think of is the whole Trensalor thing. After seeing the battlefield of Trenselor in "The Name of the Doctor" I was expecting something epic out of that, but nope;

What a disappointing send off for Matt Smith too. Also I thought that whole 12 regenerations thing had been retconed or something.

In fairness, they've established several times that there are ways around the 12 regeneration limit since Classic Who, but I don't think they ever retconned it out entirely. I could be wrong, as my viewing of the classic series was long subject to availability and so I've missed quite a few serials. I mean, we knew the show wouldn't end, but I think there was still technically a cap. I think New Who even referenced it a couple of times.

Trenzalor was a letdown on so many levels. It was payoff that didn't pay off.

And overall disappointed with Smith's farewell. Then again, in New Who, Eccleston's end is the only one I've been even remotely satisfied with. And even then, well...Rose.

Ah, well. At least he didn't say something like "I don't want to go."

Zachary Amaranth:

canadamus_prime:

The most egregious I can think of is the whole Trensalor thing. After seeing the battlefield of Trenselor in "The Name of the Doctor" I was expecting something epic out of that, but nope;

What a disappointing send off for Matt Smith too. Also I thought that whole 12 regenerations thing had been retconed or something.

In fairness, they've established several times that there are ways around the 12 regeneration limit since Classic Who, but I don't think they ever retconned it out entirely. I could be wrong, as my viewing of the classic series was long subject to availability and so I've missed quite a few serials. I mean, we knew the show wouldn't end, but I think there was still technically a cap. I think New Who even referenced it a couple of times.

Trenzalor was a letdown on so many levels. It was payoff that didn't pay off.

And overall disappointed with Smith's farewell. Then again, in New Who, Eccleston's end is the only one I've been even remotely satisfied with. And even then, well...Rose.

Ah, well. At least he didn't say something like "I don't want to go."

I wasn't sure. My access to so-called "Classic Who" (I've never understood the need to differentiate between "Old" and "New") has been limited to what's on Netflix which isn't much. That was actually the first time I'd actually heard the 12 regeneration limit mentioned in-show. The only reason I knew it existed before hand was through talking to other Doctor Who fans.

Speaking of Trenzelor, wouldn't the Doctor surviving it mean that Clara wouldn't become the Impossible Girl?

canadamus_prime:

I wasn't sure. My access to so-called "Classic Who" (I've never understood the need to differentiate between "Old" and "New") has been limited to what's on Netflix which isn't much. That was actually the first time I'd actually heard the 12 regeneration limit mentioned in-show. The only reason I knew it existed before hand was through talking to other Doctor Who fans.

I don't know if they've explicitly mentioned it since the revival. One of the main reasons I distinguish between the two is that the new show changed some of the rules, so it became both a revival and a bit of a reboot. As such, if they didn't mention it at all, then I could expect that it was dropped. But there have been a few references, if not direct, to a regeneration limit. Two come up during the River Song arc, for better or worse. I should say at least two, because I think there was one in the Wedding of River Song, too.

This also brings up a problem for season six. The entire arc revolved around the Doctor being executed before he could regenerate in a fixed point in time (which I didn't like to begin with). Well, that's fine, he has 1-2 regenerations left. Except he then confirms onscreen that both the War Doctor and the Tenth Doctor's first regeneration counted, and Moffatt confirmed it was canon, which means he didn't have any left. This would be fine if they had dropped or changed the regeneration limit, but then they confirmed that. and made a plot point out of it.

To be honest, this is something I would probably have dropped if I were bringing the show back. I know it would probably become a ranting point with Whovians, but with an average lifespan of about four years (I think Baker skews the average a bit up from there, but still), it no longer really made sense from a behind-the-scenes perspective.

And I don't say that lightly. There are only about three shows I have ever seriously considered how I would handle writing for/running them.

Speaking of Trenzelor, wouldn't the Doctor surviving it mean that Clara wouldn't become the Impossible Girl?

Oh God, if only it had.

Unfortunately, I'm sure the explanation is "Wibbly Wobbly, Timey Wimey."

Zachary Amaranth:

canadamus_prime:

I wasn't sure. My access to so-called "Classic Who" (I've never understood the need to differentiate between "Old" and "New") has been limited to what's on Netflix which isn't much. That was actually the first time I'd actually heard the 12 regeneration limit mentioned in-show. The only reason I knew it existed before hand was through talking to other Doctor Who fans.

I don't know if they've explicitly mentioned it since the revival. One of the main reasons I distinguish between the two is that the new show changed some of the rules, so it became both a revival and a bit of a reboot. As such, if they didn't mention it at all, then I could expect that it was dropped. But there have been a few references, if not direct, to a regeneration limit. Two come up during the River Song arc, for better or worse. I should say at least two, because I think there was one in the Wedding of River Song, too.

This also brings up a problem for season six. The entire arc revolved around the Doctor being executed before he could regenerate in a fixed point in time (which I didn't like to begin with). Well, that's fine, he has 1-2 regenerations left. Except he then confirms onscreen that both the War Doctor and the Tenth Doctor's first regeneration counted, and Moffatt confirmed it was canon, which means he didn't have any left. This would be fine if they had dropped or changed the regeneration limit, but then they confirmed that. and made a plot point out of it.

To be honest, this is something I would probably have dropped if I were bringing the show back. I know it would probably become a ranting point with Whovians, but with an average lifespan of about four years (I think Baker skews the average a bit up from there, but still), it no longer really made sense from a behind-the-scenes perspective.

And I don't say that lightly. There are only about three shows I have ever seriously considered how I would handle writing for/running them.

Speaking of Trenzelor, wouldn't the Doctor surviving it mean that Clara wouldn't become the Impossible Girl?

Oh God, if only it had.

Unfortunately, I'm sure the explanation is "Wibbly Wobbly, Timey Wimey."

Well I was under the impression that it was all part of the same series. Esp. considering "New Who" seems to carry on from "Classic Who." It's not like it started over from Square One.
Anyway, funny you should mention that thing with season/series 6, because that's been bugging me too. If the Doctor had no regenerations left how could he be seen to start regenerating in "The Impossible Astronaut?" Of course that could be written of since it turned out that that wasn't actually the Doctor, but a robotic suit thing. However, in "Let's Kill Hitler" when the Doctor is dying of the poison and talking to the TARDIS voice interface he mentions the need to regenerate which the TARDIS tells him he can't because the poison has disabled his ability to do so (or something). However if he was out of regenerations, and apparently knew he was out of regenerations, why would he even think of trying to regenerate?

Truthfully, the regeneration limit was probably introduced because they didn't expect the show to go on this long or had initially planned a limited run. However it seems that the show can last much longer than originally planned so having a limit on regenerations no longer makes sense.

Well I like Clara, but it still doesn't make sense for the Doctor to survive Tenzalor and still have her become the Impossible Girl.

canadamus_prime:

Well I was under the impression that it was all part of the same series. Esp. considering "New Who" seems to carry on from "Classic Who." It's not like it started over from Square One.

It is the same series, but they've changed the rules and rewritten canon to an extent that it is kind of an issue. This has led to a bunch of Whovians complaining about plot holes that aren't holes so much as they are retcons, often mentioned at some point in the show.

Granted, it could also be argued that the rules changed depending on the show's era, Doctor, and need, so maybe it's an artificial distinction. A lot of things classic who fans bitch about were present in the old show. Since the revival, they've attempted to codify it more (which, oddly enuogh, only seems to make the screw-ups more apparent).

Anyway, funny you should mention that thing with season/series 6, because that's been bugging me too. If the Doctor had no regenerations left how could he be seen to start regenerating in "The Impossible Astronaut?" Of course that could be written of since it turned out that that wasn't actually the Doctor, but a robotic suit thing. However, in "Let's Kill Hitler" when the Doctor is dying of the poison and talking to the TARDIS voice interface he mentions the need to regenerate which the TARDIS tells him he can't because the poison has disabled his ability to do so (or something). However if he was out of regenerations, and apparently knew he was out of regenerations, why would he even think of trying to regenerate?

Yup. And if this was the final regeneration of the Doctor, they wouldn't need to go to these lengths to kill him off in some funky way. Ironically, these attempts eventually lead him to Trenzalor, where he's granted more regenerations. Which would be cool if it was a stable time loop (which is sort of the case with the cracks in time, or is the case with "Blink," and several other times we've seen), but this is more an asspull.

I guess we could argue that they didn't know, but they seem to know so much about the Doctor.

Truthfully, the regeneration limit was probably introduced because they didn't expect the show to go on this long or had initially planned a limited run. However it seems that the show can last much longer than originally planned so having a limit on regenerations no longer makes sense.

Oh, totally. The regeneration thing was a brilliant way to extend the show, and when they first established it, I doubt anyone foresaw it lasting as long as it did, especially considering it's one of the few shows to successfully be revived. I sincerely doubt anyone who was involved when they came up with regeneration pictured that we'd be talking about the viability of regeneration in an ongoing show in 2014. As such, I have no problem with the limit. When the show was revised, though, it was probably time to shelf it.

Ah well, we're here anyway.

Well I like Clara, but it still doesn't make sense for the Doctor to survive Tenzalor and still have her become the Impossible Girl.

I dislike Clara's importance to the plot, I guess. Which mostly has to do with her being "The Impossible Girl."

Either way, I'm pretty sure the events on Trenzalor should constitute a paradox, since The Impossible Girl and the Doctor's death are necessary for him to get to Trenzalor in the first time.

Zachary Amaranth:

canadamus_prime:

Well I was under the impression that it was all part of the same series. Esp. considering "New Who" seems to carry on from "Classic Who." It's not like it started over from Square One.

It is the same series, but they've changed the rules and rewritten canon to an extent that it is kind of an issue. This has led to a bunch of Whovians complaining about plot holes that aren't holes so much as they are retcons, often mentioned at some point in the show.

Granted, it could also be argued that the rules changed depending on the show's era, Doctor, and need, so maybe it's an artificial distinction. A lot of things classic who fans bitch about were present in the old show. Since the revival, they've attempted to codify it more (which, oddly enuogh, only seems to make the screw-ups more apparent).

Anyway, funny you should mention that thing with season/series 6, because that's been bugging me too. If the Doctor had no regenerations left how could he be seen to start regenerating in "The Impossible Astronaut?" Of course that could be written of since it turned out that that wasn't actually the Doctor, but a robotic suit thing. However, in "Let's Kill Hitler" when the Doctor is dying of the poison and talking to the TARDIS voice interface he mentions the need to regenerate which the TARDIS tells him he can't because the poison has disabled his ability to do so (or something). However if he was out of regenerations, and apparently knew he was out of regenerations, why would he even think of trying to regenerate?

Yup. And if this was the final regeneration of the Doctor, they wouldn't need to go to these lengths to kill him off in some funky way. Ironically, these attempts eventually lead him to Trenzalor, where he's granted more regenerations. Which would be cool if it was a stable time loop (which is sort of the case with the cracks in time, or is the case with "Blink," and several other times we've seen), but this is more an asspull.

I guess we could argue that they didn't know, but they seem to know so much about the Doctor.

Truthfully, the regeneration limit was probably introduced because they didn't expect the show to go on this long or had initially planned a limited run. However it seems that the show can last much longer than originally planned so having a limit on regenerations no longer makes sense.

Oh, totally. The regeneration thing was a brilliant way to extend the show, and when they first established it, I doubt anyone foresaw it lasting as long as it did, especially considering it's one of the few shows to successfully be revived. I sincerely doubt anyone who was involved when they came up with regeneration pictured that we'd be talking about the viability of regeneration in an ongoing show in 2014. As such, I have no problem with the limit. When the show was revised, though, it was probably time to shelf it.

Ah well, we're here anyway.

Well I like Clara, but it still doesn't make sense for the Doctor to survive Tenzalor and still have her become the Impossible Girl.

I dislike Clara's importance to the plot, I guess. Which mostly has to do with her being "The Impossible Girl."

Either way, I'm pretty sure the events on Trenzalor should constitute a paradox, since The Impossible Girl and the Doctor's death are necessary for him to get to Trenzalor in the first time.

Well since it was not actually a reboot, the distinction seems arbitrary to me, but then again I started watching Doctor Who with the "New" series. I don't know much of the previously established rules, but I did notice that visuals did seem to change slightly with the era, presumably as technology and film techniques (and budget) improved. I imagine the shift between "Classic" and "New" is probably the most jarring so people seem to notice and dwell on it more.

Those Silence guys did seem to go to great lengths to try and kill the Doctor, didn't they? Esp. since going to Trenzalor was more detrimental to the Doctor than it was for them.

Well the Impossible Girl thing isn't the worst thing Moffat's ever written.

 

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