Explosions Seen over Gaza in "Saddest Photo Yet" from Space

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Explosions Seen over Gaza in "Saddest Photo Yet" from Space

An astronaut in the International Space Station took a photo of Gaza and Israel. Explosions and rocket fire can be seen even from space.

Astronaut Alexander Gerst tweeted a nighttime photo of the war zone in the Gaza-Israel conflict. Amid the snaking street lights coalescing into bright city centers can be seen the flashes of rocket fire and explosions.

"My saddest photo yet," writes Gerst. "From the ISS, we can actually see explosions and rockets flying over Gaza & Israel."

Gerst has been living and working aboard the International Space Station for almost two months and has been regularly tweeting photographs taken in orbit of our planet. Previously featured in his images have been Mt. Etna, the pyramids of Egypt, Utah's Great Salt Lake, and other wondrous sights. His photo of the Gaza-Israel area serves as a grim reminder of the violence humanity brings to the world.

Over 600 people have died in the conflict in the two weeks since Operation Protective Edge began, a quarter of which have been children. Almost 5000 people have been wounded. The Gaza-Israel conflict began in 2006.

Born in Germany, Gerst was selected as an astronaut in 2009 by the European Space Agency. He is scheduled to return to Earth from his first spaceflight in November 2014.

Source: The Sydney Morning Herald

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The only thing I can think of is that maybe if the terrorist group Hamas didn't keep surrounding themselves and their installations with children for propaganda photo ops, then maybe those children would still be alive.

Cue Mad World

LysanderNemoinis:
The only thing I can think of is that maybe if the terrorist group Hamas didn't keep surrounding themselves and their installations with children for propaganda photo ops, then maybe those children would still be alive.

Assuming that is true, which it almost definitely is, it doesn't stop the Israeli military from from firing on them anyway.

As has been the case with just about every war in history, both sides have blood on their hands and neither is the good side.

Chimpzy:

LysanderNemoinis:
The only thing I can think of is that maybe if the terrorist group Hamas didn't keep surrounding themselves and their installations with children for propaganda photo ops, then maybe those children would still be alive.

Assuming that is true, which it almost definitely is, it doesn't stop the Israeli military from from firing on them anyway.

As has been the case with just about every war in history, both sides have blood on their hands and neither is the good side.

So very true. As Bertrand Russell said, war doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.

What a harrowing photo :(

Guys, view the full photo on the Sydney Morning Herald. It's actually depicting a visually quite Gaza strip and a pretty "flaming" Israel - the entirety of it, even the parts in the West Bank which aren't involved in the conflict.
Conclusion - those aren't explosion, but urban lights. The explosions are too small and aren't simultaneous so they can barely be seen in standard photography.
It's also worth noting that most of the Gaza strip doesn't have electricity due to Hamas firing a rocket which hit a major electricity transformer which supplied it power from Israel. Israel wasn't able to fix the problem due to it being in a high danger zone.

BTW, I'm an Israeli - that's why I know the geography that well. The little bay on the top is the Gulf of Haifa, for a quick reference.

Made in China:
Guys, view the full photo on the Sydney Morning Herald. It's actually depicting a visually quite Gaza strip and a pretty "flaming" Israel - the entirety of it, even the parts in the West Bank which aren't involved in the conflict.
Conclusion - those aren't explosion, but urban lights. The explosions are too small and aren't simultaneous so they can barely be seen in standard photography.
It's also worth noting that most of the Gaza strip doesn't have electricity due to Hamas firing a rocket which hit a major electricity transformer which supplied it power from Israel. Israel wasn't able to fix the problem due to it being in a high danger zone.

BTW, I'm an Israeli - that's why I know the geography that well. The little bay on the top is the Gulf of Haifa, for a quick reference.

Most of the lights in the picture are normal city lights, yes. But the astronaut who took the photo said he was seeing explosions, and I trust that he knows what he's saying. He must have been seeing short-lived flashes. It's tough to say which of those may be seen in the photo, but I see at least one light pattern that looks like the shape of an explosion.

Made in China:
Guys, view the full photo on the Sydney Morning Herald. It's actually depicting a visually quite Gaza strip and a pretty "flaming" Israel - the entirety of it, even the parts in the West Bank which aren't involved in the conflict.
Conclusion - those aren't explosion, but urban lights. The explosions are too small and aren't simultaneous so they can barely be seen in standard photography.
It's also worth noting that most of the Gaza strip doesn't have electricity due to Hamas firing a rocket which hit a major electricity transformer which supplied it power from Israel. Israel wasn't able to fix the problem due to it being in a high danger zone.

BTW, I'm an Israeli - that's why I know the geography that well. The little bay on the top is the Gulf of Haifa, for a quick reference.

There's at least one puff of smoke along the northern edge that is in fact an explosion. You can see the fire reflected off the smoke in halo, like a thundercloud with lightning firing off within, except it's orange.

Chimpzy:

LysanderNemoinis:
The only thing I can think of is that maybe if the terrorist group Hamas didn't keep surrounding themselves and their installations with children for propaganda photo ops, then maybe those children would still be alive.

Assuming that is true, which it almost definitely is, it doesn't stop the Israeli military from from firing on them anyway.

As has been the case with just about every war in history, both sides have blood on their hands and neither is the good side.

Yeah...I don't agree. At all. What's Israel supposed to do, not fight back at all? Just let Hamas (and every one of Israel's immediate neighbors) just wipe them out? How can Israel avoid civilian casualties when Hamas specifically engineers situations to make that the outcome? Israel's military doesn't want to hurt civilians, they're not chomping at the bit to kill people. They're trying to defend themselves against an enemy that knows that a lot of people (including the vast majority who will comment on this story) will buy their propaganda and claim moral equivalency or just shrug and move on, when we should all be supporting Israel at least with moral support so they actually feel like the entire world doesn't hate them.

LysanderNemoinis:

Chimpzy:

LysanderNemoinis:
The only thing I can think of is that maybe if the terrorist group Hamas didn't keep surrounding themselves and their installations with children for propaganda photo ops, then maybe those children would still be alive.

Assuming that is true, which it almost definitely is, it doesn't stop the Israeli military from from firing on them anyway.

As has been the case with just about every war in history, both sides have blood on their hands and neither is the good side.

Yeah...I don't agree. At all. What's Israel supposed to do, not fight back at all? Just let Hamas (and every one of Israel's immediate neighbors) just wipe them out? How can Israel avoid civilian casualties when Hamas specifically engineers situations to make that the outcome? Israel's military doesn't want to hurt civilians, they're not chomping at the bit to kill people. They're trying to defend themselves against an enemy that knows that a lot of people (including the vast majority who will comment on this story) will buy their propaganda and claim moral equivalency or just shrug and move on, when we should all be supporting Israel at least with moral support so they actually feel like the entire world doesn't hate them.

The Israelis could I dunno. Leave the land they have no claim to and are on illegally I suppose. Then no one would be firing weapons at them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories

But according to the western media, it's only sad when Palestinians are doing the bombing.

God, such brainwashing and warmongering.

Cecilo:
The Israelis could I dunno. Leave the land they have no claim to and are on illegally I suppose. Then no one would be firing weapons at them.

Unfortunately that isn't true. I think Israel should end the occupation, but that wouldn't stop Hamas. They will not rest until they destroy Israel or die trying. Too much bad blood and too little intelligence and enlightenment.

LysanderNemoinis:

Chimpzy:

LysanderNemoinis:
The only thing I can think of is that maybe if the terrorist group Hamas didn't keep surrounding themselves and their installations with children for propaganda photo ops, then maybe those children would still be alive.

Assuming that is true, which it almost definitely is, it doesn't stop the Israeli military from from firing on them anyway.

As has been the case with just about every war in history, both sides have blood on their hands and neither is the good side.

Yeah...I don't agree. At all. What's Israel supposed to do, not fight back at all? Just let Hamas (and every one of Israel's immediate neighbors) just wipe them out? How can Israel avoid civilian casualties when Hamas specifically engineers situations to make that the outcome? Israel's military doesn't want to hurt civilians, they're not chomping at the bit to kill people. They're trying to defend themselves against an enemy that knows that a lot of people (including the vast majority who will comment on this story) will buy their propaganda and claim moral equivalency or just shrug and move on, when we should all be supporting Israel at least with moral support so they actually feel like the entire world doesn't hate them.

They could stop firing on UN-run shelters for a start...

BBC News link

Both sides are guilty of killing civilians, and you saying that one side deserves our moral support whilst they continue to be as bad as the people they fight is just wrong.

Cecilo:
The Israelis could I dunno. Leave the land they have no claim to and are on illegally I suppose. Then no one would be firing weapons at them.

Yep, that worked well even in the 1900-century - and even in the USA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States#Early_Twentieth_Century
(No need to play the Nazi card!)

Also, the Arabs have tried to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth even before it started to spread, making attacks as early as 1948 and again in 1967 (the "Trololo War", as I like to call it).

But if we really want to observe who has the right to be there, we can start blaming the friggin' Romans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora

Who doesn't know history is forced etc. etc...

LysanderNemoinis:
Yea...I don't agree. At all. What's Israel supposed to do,

Leave the unrightfully occupied areas.

LysanderNemoinis:
not fight back at all? Just let Hamas (and every one of Israel's immediate neighbors) just wipe them out?

No Israel has the right defend itself but there is a difference between being the victim and being the aggressor.
Israel started out as the victim no doubt about it but the situation changed when Israel did not release the occupied areas.
Israel is actively opposing the UN in this matter and the terrorists are quite frankly the desperate answer of Israel's unrightfully occupation and in the UNs inability to do anything about it.

LysanderNemoinis:
How can Israel avoid civilian casualties when Hamas specifically engineers situations to make that the outcome?

They just need to not shoot.

LysanderNemoinis:
They're trying to defend themselves against an enemy that knows that a lot of people (including the vast majority who will comment on this story) will buy their propaganda and claim moral equivalency or just shrug and move on, when we should all be supporting Israel at least with moral support so they actually feel like the entire world doesn't hate them

... what? I certainly don't approve of the Hamas shooting useless stuff at Israel but just like that I certainly do not support Israel's claims to the occupied territories.
Those two thing are linked.
If Israel wants to be the good guys here then follow the UN ruling...

LysanderNemoinis:

Chimpzy:

LysanderNemoinis:
The only thing I can think of is that maybe if the terrorist group Hamas didn't keep surrounding themselves and their installations with children for propaganda photo ops, then maybe those children would still be alive.

Assuming that is true, which it almost definitely is, it doesn't stop the Israeli military from from firing on them anyway.

As has been the case with just about every war in history, both sides have blood on their hands and neither is the good side.

Yeah...I don't agree. At all. What's Israel supposed to do, not fight back at all? Just let Hamas (and every one of Israel's immediate neighbors) just wipe them out? How can Israel avoid civilian casualties when Hamas specifically engineers situations to make that the outcome? Israel's military doesn't want to hurt civilians, they're not chomping at the bit to kill people. They're trying to defend themselves against an enemy that knows that a lot of people (including the vast majority who will comment on this story) will buy their propaganda and claim moral equivalency or just shrug and move on, when we should all be supporting Israel at least with moral support so they actually feel like the entire world doesn't hate them.

If only Israel had some kind of multi-million dollar missile defence system... Nope, the only way to defend themselves is by bombing civilians who can't run away. You know, for peace.

muslims have way less claim to Israel and those territories, having invaded some time after mohammed died. the Jews have been that the 3000 years and there is historical evidence to prove that.

The two state solution occurred early in the 20th century when Jordan was split off, it was 75% of the British mandates mass and that wasn't good enough for them.

Israel has done everything it can to minimise casualties and if it was America bombing gaza a lot more people would have been killed. hamas launched over 6000 rockets before operation cast lead and the moment hamas was able to, they started all over again with even greater intensity. they are dedicated to the extermination of Israel, they deserve everything that is coming to them and 100 times more.

Israel does not teach its children to slaughter muslims even if it means committing suicide acts. they do not use ambulances as armoured personnel carriers or surround missile batteries with children.

Israel willingly left gaza as part of a peace agreement which gazans responded to by putting hamas in power, a group whose very charter calls for the extermination of israel. those territories are not occupied, they are disputed, there is a big difference.

There is no such land. Palestine is a term invented by the Zionists. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our land was for hundreds of years a part of Syria.
Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, 1937 Peel Commission

Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all. This land is nothing but the southern portion of Greater Syria...
Ahmed Shukari. Founder of the PLO from the UN podium 1956

A country named 'Palestine' has never existed.
the late Syrian President, Hafez al-Assad,. 1987

Wilco86:

Cecilo:
The Israelis could I dunno. Leave the land they have no claim to and are on illegally I suppose. Then no one would be firing weapons at them.

Yep, that worked well even in the 1900-century - and even in the USA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States#Early_Twentieth_Century
(No need to play the Nazi card!)

Also, the Arabs have tried to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth even before it started to spread, making attacks as early as 1948 and again in 1967 (the "Trololo War", as I like to call it).

But if we really want to observe who has the right to be there, we can start blaming the friggin' Romans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora

Who doesn't know history is forced etc. etc...

Even if you want to try to blame it all on people hating the jewish people. At the moment they actually have a reason to hate the Jewish people. They are illegally ON THEIR LAND. The Gaza strip does not belong to Israel as determined by the United Nations and a previously signed pact.

If the Hamas still attack the people of Israel after that they lose their sympathy from me. But right now ya know, They have a legitimate reason to attack and hate Israel. They are occupying their homes and settling their land.

CriticalMiss:
If only Israel had some kind of multi-million dollar missile defence system... Nope, the only way to defend themselves is by bombing civilians who can't run away. You know, for peace.

The defense systems have little use against short-range missile fire, as the system can't properly react to so small targets so quickly. If it could, we wouldn't have news about rockets hitting anywhere in Israel - they do hit, btw, but casualties have been small.

Also, I live next to oh-so-dear Russia, and I can say I wouldn't want them sending missiles against me almost every day even if we had something to block them. So I should just play this song?:

Perspective

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_military_conflicts

And if you don't like wikipedia, just google "list of ongoing wars" and see the results for yourself.

Cecilo:
The Gaza strip does not belong to Israel as determined by the United Nations and a previously signed pact.

So the attacks against Israel were sanctioned by UN? Good to know...

Also, in 1967 Israel's counterattack made them capture wast areas of land next to Egypt - that they later gave back after Egypt ceased hostilities against Israel. Just a hint to the surrounding Arabs, but they won't learn...

Israel agreed a ceasefire via Egypt - Hamas said no. Hamas fired rockets at Israel, they are not victims - just stupid when Israel could crush them anytime they wish. Also Hamas is a terrorist group firing/storing missiles from schools and hospitals putting innocents in danger. In the end its another conflict, like the Shia/Shiites muslims,that will go on forever until one wipes out the other because their issues will never be solved peacefully. And, as usual, its the innocent people on both sides of the conflict that pay with their lives.

This really isn't the site to discuss this and before my absolute disgust for the Zionist murderers spills out into something uncontrollable this is all political, they are killing Palestinians to win votes because that's what makes you popular.

The killing of children also shows the disregard Israel has for Palestinian lives. The names of Umama Al-Hayyeh, age nine; Dima Isleem, age two; Mohamad Ayyad, age two; Rahaf Abu Jumaa, age four as well more than 130 other children killed are a reminder that every single Palestinian is a possible target for Israel.

The deaths on the Palestinian side is nearing 800 and every innocent son, daughter, mother, sister, brother or father they butcher they will create more and more people who will hate Israel for a lifetime and can you blame them?

Adam Jensen:
But according to the western media, it's only sad when Palestinians are doing the bombing.

God, such brainwashing and warmongering.

Cecilo:
The Israelis could I dunno. Leave the land they have no claim to and are on illegally I suppose. Then no one would be firing weapons at them.

Unfortunately that isn't true. I think Israel should end the occupation, but that wouldn't stop Hamas. They will not rest until they destroy Israel or die trying. Too much bad blood and too little intelligence and enlightenment.

There is no occupation of Gaza Israel pulled out in 2005, to the point where they were dragging settlers from their homes. Hamas responded to the end of the occupation and the removal of settlements with suicide bombings and rocket fire.

Israel have also repeatedly offered the Egyptians back their land (Gaza) which Egypt has refused and the same with the West Bank and Jordan.

And, my apologies, but what media are you watching? Most of the western media seems to be trying to demonize the Israelis.

Well that must be a depressing thing to watch from space :/

LysanderNemoinis:
Israel's military doesn't want to hurt civilians, they're not chomping at the bit to kill people.

The UN Goldstone report into Operation Cast Lead, a 2008/2009 attack on Gaza , begs to differ.

Also don't understand why you're asking the entire world to have sympathy for the side currently doing the most fucked up shit, I kinda have more sympathy for the Palestinians. Seriously at the very least you should know about the israeli warship that fired on those kids on the beach (btw, the rest of those kids family got killed recently in an airstrike if a poster in another thread is to believe..), unless you're saying they were aiming for hamas members sunbathing on the beach next to them then there is no defending that BS with even that flimsy pretence that israeli forces only aim for suspected hamas sites (a claim which un reports found to be untrue, just wanna emphasize that again).

vallorn:

And, my apologies, but what media are you watching? Most of the western media seems to be trying to demonize the Israelis.

They don't have to try really hard though given what's going on. I honestly don't understand how you people can hear of Israels actions and and still think they have some sort of moral high ground in this situation.

Its a chunk of land ppl have been fighting over for ages due to its holy ness ness. Youd think they would not want to damage any of the land. But anyway google Palestine. Its does not even show up on the map anymore. The fact that their country is split in half.....barely any offical Palestine land left. You really think they are going to sit back and take it ? No one would. Not taking sides but who has an ARMY outside Gaza's doorstep ? and what does Gaza really have ? The Media over here in England anyway paints Isreal as the victims and have lost so much. And maybe 2 mins of the ppl of Gaza.

I don't want to get too political- but the thread is bound to be. No point throwing my opinions into the mix or trying to persuade others (enough smashing my face into a brick wall recently).

I just want to say that the idea that human conflict is this ordinary and mundane is pretty disgusting when you think about it.

Isn't it ironic that Israelis are now the nazis?
Well either way what they are doing is inhuman and should be sanctioned by the UN or whoever has the authority to do so. But lets be real, it won't happen since the big brother will approve of their action.
There is a fine difference between defense and mass murder of civilians. Latest news reports state that there are 750 civilian deaths and 17 Israeli military deaths. You can hardly call that self defense. Attempted genocide would fit better to describe this situation.

Fun fact: Both sides have a majority that think the "two state" system is for the best, but both shitty governments like to keep shooting at each other.

Adam Jensen:

Unfortunately that isn't true. I think Israel should end the occupation, but that wouldn't stop Hamas. They will not rest until they destroy Israel or die trying. Too much bad blood and too little intelligence and enlightenment.

After Israel signed the ceasefire agreement back in Nov 2012, there was no rocketfire from Hamas for 3 months, and they even even tried to stop rocket fires from smaller factions. This conflict resumed only after Israel broke the terms of ceasefire. Of the 120 Israeli ceasefire violations during that period, all we got from the mainstream media was the number of rockets from Gaza. Here's a graph of Israeli vs Hamas ceasefire violations.

LysanderNemoinis:

Israel's military doesn't want to hurt civilians, they're not chomping at the bit to kill people.

IDF killed 4 kids on the beach playing football (such an amazing threat), 4 hospitals hit (IDF even admitted that they knew there were no weapons stored in the Al Wafa hospital), along with targeting a UNRWA schools that held over 300 Internally Displaced People (no weapons) and red crescent ambulances trying to retrieve the dead being hit, sniping at municipal workers trying to retrieve the wounded...

For fuck's sake, these were the people who were dropping white phosphorus on civilian populations back in 2009.

Craig Rigby:
muslims have way less claim to Israel and those territories, having invaded some time after mohammed died. the Jews have been that the 3000 years and there is historical evidence to prove that.

Okay, I have to stop you right there because that is a horrible argument. There is no square feet on this planet that haven't changed owner at least five times during human history. I always considered the formation of Israel to be a very dangerous precedent, as it could potentially be used to flare up all the other land claims based on "historical ownership" (and AFAIK, it already does so).

What's next? Let the Turkish have back all the Mid-Eastern European countries? But then what if Hungary shows up and demands them instead because they were there first? And then the Italians, because the Romans were there even before that?! And then the French identifying as Celts because they were there even before that?!

Once you starts playing the "historical ownership" game, everyone loses...

There are no civilians in a country that votes in terrorists, and then shelters said terrorists from counter attacks.

RA92:

Adam Jensen:

Unfortunately that isn't true. I think Israel should end the occupation, but that wouldn't stop Hamas. They will not rest until they destroy Israel or die trying. Too much bad blood and too little intelligence and enlightenment.

After Israel signed the ceasefire agreement back in Nov 2012, there was no rocketfire from Hamas for 3 months, and they even even tried to stop rocket fires from smaller factions. This conflict resumed only after Israel broke the terms of ceasefire. Of the 120 Israeli ceasefire violations during that period, all we got from the mainstream media was the number of rockets from Gaza. Here's a graph of Israeli vs Hamas ceasefire violations.

LysanderNemoinis:

Israel's military doesn't want to hurt civilians, they're not chomping at the bit to kill people.

IDF killed 4 kids on the beach playing football (such an amazing threat), 4 hospitals hit (IDF even admitted that they knew there were no weapons stored in the Al Wafa hospital), along with targeting a UNRWA schools that held over 300 Internally Displaced People (no weapons) and red crescent ambulances trying to retrieve the dead being hit, sniping at municipal workers trying to retrieve the wounded...

For fuck's sake, these were the people who were dropping white phosphorus on civilian populations back in 2009.

Everything you've linked is a lie. You're using a source that says that CNN is Israeli State TV and a youtube video that is so fake its ridiculous. Its just like the Palestinians and their supporters, fake videos, fake images, fake graphs. Do you remember when you guys photoshopped Beirut during the Second Lebanon War? And used photos from Syria claiming they are Gaza? Or claimed that every Hamas death is a civilian death? Everyone wants to believe their lies because they feel sorry for them (which I understand as its a reasonable response).

FogHornG36:
There are no civilians in a country that votes in terrorists, and then shelters said terrorists from counter attacks.

Careful with that argument, the Arabs say that there are no Israeli civilians because all Israeli civilians are technically soldiers. Once you start dehumanizing people for "legitimate' arguments you go down a very bad spiral.

I hope the pro-Israels in this thread respond to the people offering counter-evidence. I'd like to hear more points of view, and if they can respond at all. At the moment it seems both sides are fucked but Israel has the bigger guns (and hence commits more atrocities). I'm not convinced that if Hamas had the upper hand we wouldn't be seeing the same numbers - if not higher - of civilian casualties on Israel's side.

BiH-Kira:
Isn't it ironic that Israelis are now the nazis?
Well either way what they are doing is inhuman and should be sanctioned by the UN or whoever has the authority to do so. But lets be real, it won't happen since the big brother will approve of their action.
There is a fine difference between defense and mass murder of civilians. Latest news reports state that there are 750 civilian deaths and 17 Israeli military deaths. You can hardly call that self defense. Attempted genocide would fit better to describe this situation.

Attempted genocide is hardly an apt description. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, they could easily do it. The fact that they go out of their way to minimize civilian casualties, either by warning shots, flyers, phone calls and messages, whathaveyou, kind of goes against the definition of genocide.

We could argue whether Israel's response is appropriate or not, I happen to believe that it is at least to a modest extent understandable and reasonable, but this does not change that Hamas purposefully centers themselves in civilian centers to act as human shields to purposefully exacerbate any civilian casualties. Hamas would report them as civilian, Israel would report them as terrorist. It's a messy situation.

Cecilo:
Even if you want to try to blame it all on people hating the jewish people. At the moment they actually have a reason to hate the Jewish people. They are illegally ON THEIR LAND. The Gaza strip does not belong to Israel as determined by the United Nations and a previously signed pact.

Pretty sure Israel de-occupied the area in 2005, though there could be an argument for lingering influence I suppose.

If the Hamas still attack the people of Israel after that they lose their sympathy from me. But right now ya know, They have a legitimate reason to attack and hate Israel. They are occupying their homes and settling their land.

I would like to think there's no sane reason to deliberately attack innocent civilians (key word: deliberately).

RA92:
After Israel signed the ceasefire agreement back in Nov 2012, there was no rocketfire from Hamas for 3 months, and they even even tried to stop rocket fires from smaller factions. This conflict resumed only after Israel broke the terms of ceasefire. Of the 120 Israeli ceasefire violations during that period, all we got from the mainstream media was the number of rockets from Gaza. Here's a graph of Israeli vs Hamas ceasefire violations.

That graph and source seem incredibly, incredibly biased. I would imagine Hamas rocket fires would count as violations, though the graph clearly intends to stack it on one person over another.

Grouchy Imp:
They could stop firing on UN-run shelters for a start...

BBC News link

Both sides are guilty of killing civilians, and you saying that one side deserves our moral support whilst they continue to be as bad as the people they fight is just wrong.

Hamas uses the UN schools as rocket depots and firing centers. Video is fine, don't want to cite the entire website for potential bias.

A major difference is the fact that Hamas deliberately target civilian centers, whilst Israel actively tries to minimize civilian casualties. Arguments could be made for the effectivness, and perhaps maybe true intent, of these attempts, but there is a distinct difference between the two sides regarding civilians.

Baresark:
Fun fact: Both sides have a majority that think the "two state" system is for the best, but both shitty governments like to keep shooting at each other.

I really hope that's true. For all our sake's.

Look, I've been entrenched in this shenanigans for a while. I have family in the area, and I won't say where because I feel it is irrelevant. Family is family, and people are people.

Israel is stuck in a messy situation. I don't think it is unreasonable for them to want to stop the rocket fire. I'd imagine most nations would prefer rockets to stop being fired at them, especially rockets specifically targeted towards their civilians.

I'm reminded of a scenario, can't remember if it's apocryphal or if I was asked this directly. "What would you do if were a soldier and you saw a child suicide bomber running right at you?" You shoot the kid and save yourself and your squadmates, they use his death as a tool. You don't, you die. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't envy Israel in this position. (I will note, when googling "Children Suicide Bombers" the first link was this. I find that depressing)

On the topic of this picture, I dislike it because it implies that the whole image is full of bombs and destruction. In actuality it's just the lights to the cities of the area. And whatever bombs you might be able to see, they are small and barely noticeable.

Useless war if there has ever been one.
They're just breeding terrorists. Every death is another reason for someone to snap and go blow himself in a bus or something.

And I can't believe the world is just sitting by and doing nothing.

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