NIS America Pulls GaymerX Sponsorship, Devolver Digital Steps Forward - Update

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NIS America Pulls GaymerX Sponsorship, Devolver Digital Steps Forward - Update

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NIS America will not pay sponsorship fees of $3,000 from this year's GaymerX, but Devolver Digital and others have agreed to pledge.

Update: NIS America and GaymerX have issued statements regarding the miscommunication over sponsorship of the conference. NIS America has fulfilled the $3,000 promised to GaymerX.

"I want to publicly apologize for any pain or distress I may have caused NIS America or their team - they have been very genuine and sincere in fixing the issue and have confirmed that payment will be made in full," GaymerX founder Matt Conn said. "They have been nothing but professional during this process after the initial email, and it can't be understated the fact that, unlike most conservative AAA companies, they were willing to take the risk of being associated with a queer event and they went out of their way to be a part of it. That statement alone is huge and I feel as though my statements were taken out of context. I in no way intended for the dialog to be that they had made this action because we are a LGBTQ organization, my point, at the time, was that I did not feel like that email would have been sent to a larger convention or organization, and felt bullied because of that."

David Alonzo of NIS America gave his own apology as well. "I'd like to sincerely apologize once again for all the miscommunication on my end, as I should have been more clear about things from the start," Alonzo said. "I also want to say that as a part of the LGBTQ community, I will always be supportive of queer rights. I obviously got overzealous in wanting to support you guys, but because of this I failed to follow the proper internal protocol. Fortunately, NISA wholeheartedly endorses the community, and has fulfilled what was promised."

Original: An oversight at NIS America, publisher of games such as Danganronpa, Disgaea, and Hyperdimension Neptunia, has left LGBT-centric gaming conference GaymerX short on sponsorship money by $3,000.

After taking to social media in frustration, GaymerX founder Matt Conn has said the situation will be worked out. Conn tweeted an email from a NIS America representative that broke the news NIS America was unable to fulfill the sponsorship. "When I talked with you, I checked to see that we still had spend[ing] (sic) left in our games budget," the representative said. "Unfortunately, during this time our games producer was out and I didn't find out until today that the remainder of the budget had already been allocated."

Yesterday Devolver Digital, publisher of Hotline Miami, Luftrausers, and the upcoming Titan Souls, wrote on Twitter that it will pledge $3,000 for a 2015 GaymerX sponsorship. The company also challenged others to do the same. Mike Bithell, developer of Thomas Was Alone followed suit, matching Devolver Digital's pledge. Other matches include Tinsley PR and Coffee Stain Studios, Goat Simulator developer.

GaymerX has been in financial trouble. In April GaymerX organizers announced this year's GaymerX, held in San Francisco from July 11 to July 13, would be the last due to the burden of costs. Despite a successful Kickstarter, GaymerX costs a lot of money that the event often doesn't receive from corporate sponsorships. "We're certainly not against it coming back in some other, more sustainable form, but we were basically trying to produce something that was a bit too large and ambitious for the amount of corporate interest in supporting queer geek culture," Conn said at the time. The hotel bill for GaymerX2 was over $90,000.

GaymerX has three projects, one finished and two underway. The first is the documentary Gaming in Color that explores queer gaming. The second is a game called Read Only Memories, a cyberpunk adventure game out this November on PC, Mac, and OUYA. The last is two projects in one: GaymerXTalks and GaymerXJam. The talks are all of the GaymerX2 panels, which will be edited and distributed online for free to view on YouTube. The jam is a two and a half days of "giving all gamers the ability to make a game exploring SOMETHING queer." Participants will be able to speak with professors to work with tools like Twine, Unity, and Renpi. The event will take place this December. Kickstarter campaigns for both events will launch in a few weeks.

GaymerX is an important conference for the queer community, which often feels left out of games. While programming has been a success for the conference and companies like BioWare have been happy to support it, it is financially instable.

Source: Devolver Digital via Polygon

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Why, those Devolver Digital chaps seem like quite the compassionate bunch!

Once again NISA shows how horrible they are as a game company, being the face of everything terrible involving Japanese gaming from pandering to creepers to localizing shovelware that should stayed in Japan while good games like Yakuza 5 never comes over.

gyrobot:
Once again NISA shows how horrible they are as a game company, being the face of everything terrible involving Japanese gaming from pandering to creepers to localizing shovelware that should stayed in Japan while good games like Yakuza 5 never comes over.

Oi, Yakuza 5 is SEGA's fault, not NIS. Second of all this sounds like a budget screwup, which is a simple mistake and Gaymer X seems to be capitalizing on.

gyrobot:
Once again NISA shows how horrible they are as a game company, being the face of everything terrible involving Japanese gaming from pandering to creepers to localizing shovelware that should stayed in Japan while good games like Yakuza 5 never comes over.

Yeah. how dare they localize fun video games that are a break from the norm, all games should be the same brown uninteresting shooters or shitty "deep" indie games.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/28/5946619/gaymerx-nis-america-gaymerx2
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NISA screwed up and was unable to provide $3,000 which was going to an open bar, and the con chair flips the fuck out and paints it as an attack on queer people?
Next time don't spend 15k on a VIP party and maybe the loss of $3k wouldn't put you in dire straights.

gyrobot:
Once again NISA shows how horrible they are as a game company, being the face of everything terrible involving Japanese gaming from pandering to creepers to localizing shovelware that should stayed in Japan while good games like Yakuza 5 never comes over.

Somebody already pointed this out, but it really does seem like it was just a case of the right hand not knowing what the left was doing. I'm not the biggest fan of NIS, but I'd hardly call them the epitome with all that is wrong with Japanese style gaming. Not to mention that without them there's just one less localization house, so even fewer Japanese games would see US shores period.

OT: Well at least they got the funding, and Devolver Digital proves to be good at being good. If only Chucklefish were on board you'd have sponsorship from both my favorite US publishers.

InB4 someone accuses NISA of homophobia (I'm probably too late).

Also, I still don't understand why "Gaymer" exists. And, given its financial troubles, it seems that the market doesn't either.

gyrobot:
Once again NISA shows how horrible they are as a game company, being the face of everything terrible involving Japanese gaming from pandering to creepers to localizing shovelware that should stayed in Japan while good games like Yakuza 5 never comes over.

NISA have been responsible for bringing over some of the best (critically) games out of Japan that many other publishers would not bother with. Also, Yakuza 5 is SEGA, not NISA and if you've seen the trailers for that game you'd see that it also appeals to the creepers.

TL;DR: You're talking out your arse.

It's worth noting that running a convention is NOT easy, and if you don't have some experience with the thing, or delegate the right people to manage various parts of the event- failure is PRETTY DAMN EASY. Not saying that every beginning convention is going to be a DashCon... but just because your event is in trouble, doesn't mean it's because the market can't handle it, or doesn't want it, or it's DESTINED to fail.

I sense many financial 'issues' with this convention, but since I'm not managing the thing, I can't say rightly that is the case (however, an open bar at a convention, gay attendees or otherwise is just a bad idea financially).

I still don't really see what the point of this whole convention is. I understand that the LBGTetcetc community is sadly/vastly underrepresented in the gaming industry...but here's where my confusion comes in: I thought the primary goal of the LBGTetcetc community was acceptance and equality, something that I'm all for. How does self-segregation by creating a con specifically for homosexuals and such promote the goal of acceptance and equality? Isn't it rather exclusionary? It's not like E3 has a big "NO GAYS ALLOWED!" banner hanging over the front door. "Well straight people are more than welcome to this convention too." True, but here-in lies the difference: the GaymerX con is a convention that, by it's very name, focuses on homosexuality. That, itself, leaves an implication of exclusion towards straight people. Cons like E3 are...well...just gamer cons. All gamers, be they black, white, gay, straight, male, or female are all welcome. There is no implied exclusion.

Isn't it this very type of exclusion and segregation the type of thing that the LBGTetcetc community opposes whenever it pops up in the straight community?

But then again, I'm just a stereotypical straight white male, so I'm likely completely ignorant on the entire subject. :P

More on the topic at hand:
It'll be fun to watch this topic and do the "who actually read the article" test. There will be those that understand that NIS meant no ill will, it was just an accounting error that made them unable to produce the funds. Then there will be those that see the headline and immediately assume that NIS America is a bunch of bigoted homophobes who should be boycotted until their CEO is forced to resign. :P

RJ 17:
I still don't really see what the point of this whole convention is. I understand that the LBGTetcetc community is sadly/vastly underrepresented in the gaming industry...but here's where my confusion comes in: I thought the primary goal of the LBGTetcetc community was acceptance and equality, something that I'm all for. How does self-segregation by creating a con specifically for homosexuals and such promote the goal of acceptance and equality? Isn't it rather exclusionary? It's not like E3 has a big "NO GAYS ALLOWED!" banner hanging over the front door. "Well straight people are more than welcome to this convention too." True, but here-in lies the difference: the GaymerX con is a convention that, by it's very name, focuses on homosexuality. That, itself, leaves an implication of exclusion towards straight people. Cons like E3 are...well...just gamer cons. All gamers, be they black, white, gay, straight, male, or female are all welcome. There is no implied exclusion.

Isn't it this very type of exclusion and segregation the type of thing that the LBGTetcetc community opposes whenever it pops up in the straight community?

But then again, I'm just a stereotypical straight white male, so I'm likely completely ignorant on the entire subject. :P

GaymerX isn't about segregation, but about creating a safe space. I've gone to PAX East the past few years and while I love going I don't feel particularly welcomed. In the same way that a small minority of people make Call of Duty a miserable game to play without everyone muted, a small, but vocal, minority at cons make me feel not welcome. It would take a significant amount of effort and probably more resources than they have to make a con like PAX actually gay-friendly, which is why they had a diversity lounge. Sometimes you need to segregate yourself in order to get away from all the idiots that are ruining your day. The only implicit exclusion at GaymerX is towards those people who still think it's okay to say things like "That's so gay" instead of "That's so stupid".

RJ 17:
I still don't really see what the point of this whole convention is. I understand that the LBGTetcetc community is sadly/vastly underrepresented in the gaming industry...but here's where my confusion comes in: I thought the primary goal of the LBGTetcetc community was acceptance and equality, something that I'm all for. How does self-segregation by creating a con specifically for homosexuals and such promote the goal of acceptance and equality? Isn't it rather exclusionary? It's not like E3 has a big "NO GAYS ALLOWED!" banner hanging over the front door. "Well straight people are more than welcome to this convention too." True, but here-in lies the difference: the GaymerX con is a convention that, by it's very name, focuses on homosexuality. That, itself, leaves an implication of exclusion towards straight people. Cons like E3 are...well...just gamer cons. All gamers, be they black, white, gay, straight, male, or female are all welcome. There is no implied exclusion.

Isn't it this very type of exclusion and segregation the type of thing that the LBGTetcetc community opposes whenever it pops up in the straight community?

But then again, I'm just a stereotypical straight white male, so I'm likely completely ignorant on the entire subject. :P

More on the topic at hand:
It'll be fun to watch this topic and do the "who actually read the article" test. There will be those that understand that NIS meant no ill will, it was just an accounting error that made them unable to produce the funds. Then there will be those that see the headline and immediately assume that NIS America is a bunch of bigoted homophobes who should be boycotted until their CEO is forced to resign. :P

Well part of it is providing a safe zone for the LGBT community. I mean when you get a huge group of people together for something like E3 or PAX believe it or not there are going to be some people that don't get along for a myriad of reasons. PAX especially can be quite vile to certain groups of people because the Penny Arcade guys aren't the kindest and most understanding of people from time to time. So GaymerX lets them have a place of safety where they know they won't be judged for who they are. It also has to do with the fact that at GaymerX they can focus more specifically on topics that they believe are important to the LBGT community at large. You'll find a much more diverse range of topics for the panels then you will at other Expos.

HOWEVER, that being said I too believe that GaymerX is nothing more then a waste of time and money. It's not a BAD waste per say, but it doesn't do much harm. Keyword there being "much". There is that slight stigma of segregation to it. The fact that it is a con about video games made by LGBT people for LGBT people does make it seem a bit awkward to people like you and me who sit here thinking, "Wait, what does sexuality have to do with being a gamer?" But the harm is minimal at best. I don't think it really does any good either. You know what would do some good? Fighting to get those panels introduced into other Cons. Heck if you could get some of those panels into PAX that would do worlds more of good then GaymerX. Really I don't see GaymerX as much more then a way for people to earn street cred as LGBT supporters. "Oh you went to E3? Well I went to GaymerX. Don't you care about the plight of the LBGT community in the video game industry?"

In short. GaymerX, not a bad thing. But I don't think it does much good either.

As for the topic at hand. It's a budget error. NISA shouldn't be heckled over such a trivial thing. Though I do think it's being spun as a publicity stunt. But if it gets them their funding, then the stunt served its purpose.

bistod:
GaymerX isn't about segregation, but about creating a safe space. I've gone to PAX East the past few years and while I love going I don't feel particularly welcomed. In the same way that a small minority of people make Call of Duty a miserable game to play without everyone muted, a small, but vocal, minority at cons make me feel not welcome. It would take a significant amount of effort and probably more resources than they have to make a con like PAX actually gay-friendly, which is why they had a diversity lounge. Sometimes you need to segregate yourself in order to get away from all the idiots that are ruining your day. The only implicit exclusion at GaymerX is towards those people who still think it's okay to say things like "That's so gay" instead of "That's so stupid".

I can certainly see where you're coming from with that. I can't say I've ever had to deal with any of the social issues that come with being homosexual. But I think that Frozengale did a really good job at summing up my thoughts on the matter. Namely that making a con specifically catered to the LBGT community might not be hurting anyone, but like I said in my previous post: it doesn't really do anything to help that community reach it's goals.

Frozengale:
Well part of it is providing a safe zone for the LGBT community. I mean when you get a huge group of people together for something like E3 or PAX believe it or not there are going to be some people that don't get along for a myriad of reasons. PAX especially can be quite vile to certain groups of people because the Penny Arcade guys aren't the kindest and most understanding of people from time to time. So GaymerX lets them have a place of safety where they know they won't be judged for who they are. It also has to do with the fact that at GaymerX they can focus more specifically on topics that they believe are important to the LBGT community at large. You'll find a much more diverse range of topics for the panels then you will at other Expos.

HOWEVER, that being said I too believe that GaymerX is nothing more then a waste of time and money. It's not a BAD waste per say, but it doesn't do much harm. Keyword there being "much". There is that slight stigma of segregation to it. The fact that it is a con about video games made by LGBT people for LGBT people does make it seem a bit awkward to people like you and me who sit here thinking, "Wait, what does sexuality have to do with being a gamer?" But the harm is minimal at best. I don't think it really does any good either. You know what would do some good? Fighting to get those panels introduced into other Cons. Heck if you could get some of those panels into PAX that would do worlds more of good then GaymerX. Really I don't see GaymerX as much more then a way for people to earn street cred as LGBT supporters. "Oh you went to E3? Well I went to GaymerX. Don't you care about the plight of the LBGT community in the video game industry?"

In short. GaymerX, not a bad thing. But I don't think it does much good either.

Rather than getting a boat-load of cash to try and fund a full-blown convention, it would likely be cheaper AND a better use of resources to try and get a foot-hold into one of the major cons. Rather than a GaymerCon, have a Gaymer panel and some booths. Raise awareness, spread the word, all that fun stuff. At a Gaymer convention, you're preaching to the choir. At another convention, you'll be preaching to those who actually need to hear it if there's any hope of things changing for the better.

RJ 17:
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Here is the thing you are assuming for the community LGBTQ means its trying to promote equality and rights, and not just something for the community to get together and have fun like a normal convention. For exmaple gay bars are for the gay community but they are not activist in of themselves.

I honestly don't get what is so confusing to some people about a community getting together to have fun. There are conventions for about anything that could be brought into a more broader category if you so want.

Devolver Digital, eh?

As in, the people SJWs were giving shit to over the depiction of a rape scene in their ultra violent game demo for Hotline Miami 2, and for evoking Nazi imagery in Luftrausers. That Devolver Digital?

If I was of a more cynical bent, I'd say this was them trying to cover their asses or score brownie points with a group of people that had previously thrown them under the bus, but I won't be that guy today and assume they're sincerely attempting to be the bigger man here.

So is there any real story to this? Is someone accusing them of something? Seems like an honest mistake.

bistod:

RJ 17:
I still don't really see what the point of this whole convention is. I understand that the LBGTetcetc community is sadly/vastly underrepresented in the gaming industry...but here's where my confusion comes in: I thought the primary goal of the LBGTetcetc community was acceptance and equality, something that I'm all for. How does self-segregation by creating a con specifically for homosexuals and such promote the goal of acceptance and equality? Isn't it rather exclusionary? It's not like E3 has a big "NO GAYS ALLOWED!" banner hanging over the front door. "Well straight people are more than welcome to this convention too." True, but here-in lies the difference: the GaymerX con is a convention that, by it's very name, focuses on homosexuality. That, itself, leaves an implication of exclusion towards straight people. Cons like E3 are...well...just gamer cons. All gamers, be they black, white, gay, straight, male, or female are all welcome. There is no implied exclusion.

Isn't it this very type of exclusion and segregation the type of thing that the LBGTetcetc community opposes whenever it pops up in the straight community?

But then again, I'm just a stereotypical straight white male, so I'm likely completely ignorant on the entire subject. :P

GaymerX isn't about segregation, but about creating a safe space. I've gone to PAX East the past few years and while I love going I don't feel particularly welcomed. In the same way that a small minority of people make Call of Duty a miserable game to play without everyone muted, a small, but vocal, minority at cons make me feel not welcome. It would take a significant amount of effort and probably more resources than they have to make a con like PAX actually gay-friendly, which is why they had a diversity lounge. Sometimes you need to segregate yourself in order to get away from all the idiots that are ruining your day. The only implicit exclusion at GaymerX is towards those people who still think it's okay to say things like "That's so gay" instead of "That's so stupid".

I don't quite fully understand it, but I've also never been to a convention anymore. I suppose it be like the way I feel as an atheist when I drive through the towns in the south and see so many churches clustered together.

Ya know, chances are these people won't point and screech at me like in Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, but I wouldn't put it past them.

I've always felt if theres a problem with the cons that don't make people feel safe, the solution should be to fix the cons instead of creating a whole new one... But ya know, fuck it. The existence of a Gaymer Con is completely inoffensive, and if it just makes peoples lives easier... well why not?

But again, I've never set foot in any con. And I rarely feel safe outside of my own home anyway, so my opinion shouldn't carry much weight here.

zerragonoss:

RJ 17:
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Here is the thing you are assuming for the community LGBTQ means its trying to promote equality and rights, and not just something for the community to get together and have fun like a normal convention. For exmaple gay bars are for the gay community but they are not activist in of themselves.

But there-in lies my point, as I mentioned in a previous response. I understand that the LGBTetc community enjoys having its safe havens such as gay bars and conventions, my point is that doing so only accomplishes self-segregation.

Case in point: in a community such as gamers that has way too many people casually tossing around phrases like "that's so gay", it's understandable that gay gamers would want a convention to themselves in order to get away from such ignorant people. However, if they ever hope to change that culture, they have to first meld into it. That is to say, as I mentioned previously, I think having some LBGTetc panels and booths and such at an E3 or a PAX or even a ComiCon would, in itself, at least work to make things better. No need to be activists about it, just do what they had intended to do at GaymerX...only in front of the culture that needs more awareness of the LBGTect community rather than those who are already a part of or fully supportive of the LBGTect community.

Just as a side-note: I use "LBGTect" because I've honestly lost track of the letters that have been added to that acronym. :P

UberPubert:
Devolver Digital, eh?

As in, the people SJWs were giving shit to over the depiction of a rape scene in their ultra violent game demo for Hotline Miami 2, and for evoking Nazi imagery in Luftrausers. That Devolver Digital?

If I was of a more cynical bent, I'd say this was them trying to cover their asses or score brownie points with a group of people that had previously thrown them under the bus, but I won't be that guy today and assume they're sincerely attempting to be the bigger man here.

It is quite hard to keep up with who we're supposed to hate these days for social justice outrages. Hey, I just thought of something: Social Justice Outrages Maths! Use it to determine how many progressive directions you have to be seen to be pursuing to calm down the fanatics! Ergo, one GaymerX2 donation is equivalent to one rape scene and one set of Nazi imagery!

OT

Wait, is GaymerX a convention or an actual company with games in development? Either way, kudos to Devolver Digital for lending a helping hand.

Dragonlayer:
It is quite hard to keep up with who we're supposed to hate these days for social justice outrages. Hey, I just thought of something: Social Justice Outrages Maths! Use it to determine how many progressive directions you have to be seen to be pursuing to calm down the fanatics! Ergo, one GaymerX2 donation is equivalent to one rape scene and one set of Nazi imagery!

I think we can expand the operation a little further. Any donations to relevant groups can be registered as TumblrBux that grant the donator Internet Outrage Immunity for the immediate future.

TumblrBux are rendered null if the donating group does not contain at least one minority, and are nonrefundable in the event of vijda garmes jurnalists' ire being raised.

Sucks for all involved here. You can definitely tell that NIS representative felt horrible about the situation, especially due to how quickly they helped to resolve it. Also felt bad for the GaymerX guys who got shorted due to the mistake NIS made.

Then that Matt Conn guy lost my pity when he claimed that this had to do with NIS attitude towards queer people.

Because obviously its because they hate gays and not because there was a breakdown in communication somewhere.

He's since deleted the tweets and apologized, but it still reeks of bullshit if you ask me.

UberPubert:

Dragonlayer:
It is quite hard to keep up with who we're supposed to hate these days for social justice outrages. Hey, I just thought of something: Social Justice Outrages Maths! Use it to determine how many progressive directions you have to be seen to be pursuing to calm down the fanatics! Ergo, one GaymerX2 donation is equivalent to one rape scene and one set of Nazi imagery!

I think we can expand the operation a little further. Any donations to relevant groups can be registered as TumblrBux that grant the donator Internet Outrage Immunity for the immediate future.

TumblrBux are rendered null if the donating group does not contain at least one minority, and are nonrefundable in the event of vijda garmes jurnalists' ire being raised.

That's brilliant! We just need to establish the relative worth of actions and TumblrBux: should there be a set price for outrages, based on the degree of their exclusion - "Didn't include a playable female character in your upcoming game? Hundred TBux please. No transethnic vegans? Ten thousand Bux." or should it fluctuate in response to whatever objective is currently "In" for the social justice crusaders crowd?

Don't understand this. I thought gaming conventions were about the hobby of gaming. Wouldn't think that there is an issue with rampant gay bashing at gaming conventions. Never been to one, so no experience in that area

zerragonoss:
Here is the thing you are assuming for the community LGBTQ means its trying to promote equality and rights, and not just something for the community to get together and have fun like a normal convention. For exmaple gay bars are for the gay community but they are not activist in of themselves.

I go to gay bars to hook-up and given that it primarily caters to gay men and women, my chances look better than in a straight club. I'm not there for the crap music and the jacked prices for a snort of Jameson. I'm there because of pragmatism.

If you're gay, a gamer and fancy going to a convention with people who share your hobby, you'll probably tolerate the breeders for a couple of hours. ;-)

No offense here, but this strikes me as being pretty ridiculous. Despite what some "Theru-maniacs" might think it's not because this is a LGBTQ thing, but because the whole set up seems to be an affront to common sense. When looking at this I figured "okay, we've got a small minority of people who want to build a specialty con, nothing wrong with that", small cons that are just starting out pretty much need to rent a space, and maybe some tables and chairs and stuff if people can't donate them. That's how small cons start out. The big stuff happens once you find an interest, and get enough people where some of them can make increasingly larger investments. In this case it seems like it's some kind of attempt to want to jump right to "major con" status without having to do the slow, possibly decades long slog than many take when they are born of an idea, rather than created out of whole cloth by someone with deep pockets. GaymerX2 needs this money so they can fund a movie and a video game... going by the number this is what they want for their second con.

It's fine to head out and seek donations and sponsors and such, but if I'm understanding this right they're basically calling out NIS for not donating $3k to them. They want the money not so much because they need it to hold a con at all, but because they want to hold a really big con, and one where they will have their own movie to show and a video game to give away or whatever. NIS America has had trouble getting stuff out in the past it seems, and yet they are being held up because they aren't willing to finance someone else's game and movie development? On reading this I also have to wonder how many people who have donated know exactly what this money is being used for.

I don't know, to me it seems like a Con that is too big for it's own britches and getting too ambitious based on what the largest and most successful cons have done after years if not decades of operation (or a billionaire sponsor). I've heard about similar things before. Maybe if this was GaymerX19 I could see them shaming lost sponsors and thinking about product/feature development. A "2" Con strikes me as one that should be "woot! we've got a room, some tables and chairs, a few vendors agreed to show up, and we actually booked an industry speaker... we actually got to try running a con a second time".

But then again it's probably because having seen a few small cons and trade shows I feel it's a little disrespectful to those who fought their way up through a massive slog.

If Gaymer wants bigger exposure for political reasons, it's something I'd expect to attach onto a bigger con and perhaps finance it's own tented section or something. Nothing wrong with ambition, but calling out NIS (a dev I kind of like) for not being able to give you $3k for something like that... it gives me a bad taste in my mouth.

Therumancer:
On reading this I also have to wonder how many people who have donated know exactly what this money is being used for.

The $3,000 was to sponsor a $15,000 open bar VIP party for con staff and people who spent $150 for a VIP ticket (or were one of the 100 people to buy at $95 via the kickstarter).
Source:
http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/28/5946619/gaymerx-nis-america-gaymerx2

NiPah:

Therumancer:
On reading this I also have to wonder how many people who have donated know exactly what this money is being used for.

The $3,000 was to sponsor a $15,000 open bar VIP party for con staff and people who spent $150 for a VIP ticket (or were one of the 100 people to buy at $95 via the kickstarter).
Source:
http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/28/5946619/gaymerx-nis-america-gaymerx2

Ahh okay, that clarifies things a bit more. I was confused because of what the original article mentioned their ongoing projects were. I'll also say that the link you sent actually makes things sound even more ridiculous to my way of thinking, especially seeing as they seem to be trying to imply it's an attack on gay people as part of the shaming process. At the end of the day NIS America is a fairly small publisher that gets a lot of crap, I still remember back how they released "Cross Edge" in the US and were doing a promotion for the updated "Dash" version coming out, only to be told at the very last second it wouldn't be getting a US release. It seems their Japanese division doesn't even taken them very seriously, and half the time it seems like they have to fight to get even a limited release of a lot of things they try to bring over. I could be wrong, but I can see why $3k is a big deal to them, and really their internal communications have never been a strong point since in following them half the time they seem to have no idea what's going on with their own company. I'm wondering if at this point what they actually committed to and what they knew at the time. $3K for a VIP Bar largely serving con staff strikes me as being even more ridiculous for a newbie specialty con than the projects I thought were being collected for which were at least something for the con and con goers themselves even if over the top for this one's level of establishment.

It will be interesting if we ever get to hear NIS's side of the story, which I doubt we will. Truthfully though, I think this shouldn't be given much more attention or coverage until that happens. It just seems kind of hokey to me, and while The Escapist wasn't bad in their coverage, the link you put up makes it seem even more like an attack/shaming attempt when we just don't have the whole story.

I mean seriously if someone told me "well yeah, we want $3k from you for booze for our con staff and a bunch of big donators. We'll tell everyone the drinks are from NIS America" from people running their second con, I'd tell them to go pound sand, no matter what they were representing. I could be wrong, but I just can't see NIS with it's problems having given a strong commitment to something like that, no matter who was running the con, given the very limited exposure and so on, especially seeing as it's a kind of frivolous expense, the kind of thing you do at cons like this mostly once your big and established to show off. Most new cons don't provide much to the staff at all, and are lucky if someone can set up a counter and write "Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster" on the outside of the Styrofoam cups.

Combined with my previous posts, you might (correctly) get the impression I don't have a lot of respect for this. I don't hit a lot of cons, but having seen what small ones do when starting out, and having attended some local game fests (PnP RPG conventions) and things like that over the years and seen what some of the people organizing those put together, especially when brand new. Not to mention when various cantons and stuff set out to do their first Renfaires through SCA or whatever, this strikes me as ridiculous. It seems to me that because the people involved are making this a "gay" con they expect to be projected right up into the fairly big time, as opposed to starting at the bottom, and working their way up, and they trying to use politics and shaming to get funding and such. The con is fine, but if this is your second outing and you've spent $90k and your basically approaching sponsors as opposed to having one set up as the original organizer, there is something deeply wrong with that... I don't care what cause they are representing. I've met people who would have literally given their left arm to have a third of that to put on an event, with the people involved literally doing everything they can to get or make the materials they need. "Oh my gawd, it's our second con and we don't have an open bar for con staff... boo hoo, it must be because of hatred towards gay people".

When they beg a town for permission to turn part of the green into medieval England for a weekend, build nearly everything they have, and drive around trying to collect as many people from local Cantons to show up, and hope that maybe people will notice the fliers and ads to come and visit, and do that for a few years, then maybe they'll deserve some credit. Right now it seems like a bunch of crybabies.

LaochEire:

gyrobot:
Once again NISA shows how horrible they are as a game company, being the face of everything terrible involving Japanese gaming from pandering to creepers to localizing shovelware that should stayed in Japan while good games like Yakuza 5 never comes over.

NISA have been responsible for bringing over some of the best (critically) games out of Japan that many other publishers would not bother with. Also, Yakuza 5 is SEGA, not NISA and if you've seen the trailers for that game you'd see that it also appeals to the creepers.

TL;DR: You're talking out your arse.

IGN and Gamespot will gladly disagree with you. I may agree with you if you are talking their games back then but nowadays all I see from NISA is creeper trash.

Dragonlayer:
That's brilliant! We just need to establish the relative worth of actions and TumblrBux: should there be a set price for outrages, based on the degree of their exclusion - "Didn't include a playable female character in your upcoming game? Hundred TBux please. No transethnic vegans? Ten thousand Bux." or should it fluctuate in response to whatever objective is currently "In" for the social justice crusaders crowd?

I'm now imagining them as a Social Justice protection racket, old mob style "What's this? A skimpy outfit on a damsel in distress? That's gonna cost ya twice as much as last time. Not trying to be pushy, but accidents do happen... Say, that's a nice forum you got there. Would be a real shame if it burned down in a flamewar."

gyrobot:

LaochEire:

gyrobot:
Once again NISA shows how horrible they are as a game company, being the face of everything terrible involving Japanese gaming from pandering to creepers to localizing shovelware that should stayed in Japan while good games like Yakuza 5 never comes over.

NISA have been responsible for bringing over some of the best (critically) games out of Japan that many other publishers would not bother with. Also, Yakuza 5 is SEGA, not NISA and if you've seen the trailers for that game you'd see that it also appeals to the creepers.

TL;DR: You're talking out your arse.

IGN and Gamespot will gladly disagree with you. I may agree with you if you are talking their games back then but nowadays all I see from NISA is creeper trash.

I don't know what you mean with regards to IGN and Gamespot (honestly, could you explain that to me), but they do not publish creeper stuff. With the exception of Hyperdimention series which of their games within the last 12 months fall under this category? Danganronpa? Demon Gaze? Disgaea? Persona?

Also, could you please explain why a game like Yakuza 5, with advanced titty physics and comfort girls advertised as a core feature, does not fall into this category?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jFM1XzBpss (See 3.05-3.27, especially the latter part of that)

Well, if they are truly in financial trouble they should look into getting a ball pit. I hear convention goers LOVE ball pits.

Oh an update...

We apologize for all the initial damage that we caused by potentially making this a social justice uproar, and damaging the companies reputation, potentially irreversibly so.

Sorry we weren't more clear that NIS was not being Homophobic, but had people jumping to the social justice outcry of people against the LGBT community.

Your convention fell 3k short.

You potentially damaged them in the realms of millions. There will be no way to ever measure the damage you did or did not do for what you mis-communicated.

Their miscommunication was in the realms of only a scant 3 thousand dollars. Your mis communications are not able to be measured.

I've said it before, and I will say it again.

Those for Social Justice need to calm the hell down, look at the whole picture, and stop damning people who have done no actual wrong.

Thank god this is probably such a small thing NIS didn't suffer too badly for it.

But shame on GaymerX2 for jumping the gun on something they didn't have a full grasp on.

NIS is a very inclusive game developer that includes all kinds of inclusiveness. I know, I own many of their games.

They allowed people to be duped into thinking this was something it was not, you damaged them, you lost 3 thousand dollars for a damned open bar.

What's worse, I actually support GaymerX's cause, but this damning of companies needs to stop in a right damn hurry.

$3k = Chump Change. Not news.

But this was interesting to see a huge outcry over. Especially considering what the money was even for.

with only 5% or so of the population being...not straight...and being a self styled "gaming" being a subset of that...and being the kind of self styled "gaming" that would travel to go to a con being a subset of that...

not wanting to be down on anyone but i think the audience for this has gotta be rather on the small side...

then again SF i suppose...."gay mecca" etc

still...

i know lots of...not straight people...and none of them are self styled "gamers"...in fact many of them would howl derision at that...

i know there are few here ofc...

but it still seems maybe a bit too...finely focused...

ps. inserted X to make something sound cooler is inserted X to make something sound cooler ;)

pss. the person who said it wasn't about exclusion...that's nice...that you think that...and present that view...and are speaking to someone who doesn't know any...and it's probably true in this case...but the...not straight people...scene is as riddled with prejudice and intolerance as any other facet of Humanity...the presenting of..not straight people (i say that because if i say "LGBT" someone likely jumps on it) as some kind of cohesive super tolerant happy, happy, joy, joy group is near completely false...i could even do a list of who hastes who but it wouldn't be pretty...the "B"s and "T"s for example get a particularly hard time even from their supposed peers...often to point of being aggressively told their gender identity/sexuality don't exist...or even worse...which is pretty fucking harsh when you think about it because even as a straight male my own gender identity/sexuality is still accepted as existing...well, by most anyway...

Therumancer:
It will be interesting if we ever get to hear NIS's side of the story, which I doubt we will. Truthfully though, I think this shouldn't be given much more attention or coverage until that happens. It just seems kind of hokey to me, and while The Escapist wasn't bad in their coverage, the link you put up makes it seem even more like an attack/shaming attempt when we just don't have the whole story.

NIS side of the story has been posted in this very thread. They had an internal communication error and didn't realize the 3 grand that they set aside for GaymerX2 was already set aside for something else. That's the end of it there. They could have continued on the discussion (which they eventually did) in a civil manner, but Matt Conn decided it'd be better to play the gay card and claim that it was probably because NIS was homophobic.

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