Sony Considers Face-Melt Edits for Rogen's North Korea Comedy

Sony Considers Face-Melt Edits for Rogen's North Korea Comedy

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Sony denies rumors that its Japanese arm is forcing its decision.

Seth Rogen wants to assassinate Kim Jong Un on screen in The Interview, and North Korea is predictably upset. Now Sony is considering edits for its wayward comedy, among them removal of a scene in which Kim Jong has his face melted clean off. Military buttons are also to be switched, to avoid upsetting the powers that be in Pyongyang.

The buttons may be a more serious issue than the face-melting, as they depict accurate copies of those worn by North Korean soldiers. Among the decorations are badges honoring Kim Jong Un and his father which, Sony suspects, might be the real reason why North Korea threatened swift and merciless action against the United States unless The Interview was canned. If the face melting gets cut, Sony promises, it will be because it wasn't funny, and not to placate North Korea.

The Interview, for those of you who've been living under a rock for fear of North Korean missiles, has Rogen and James Franco, as celebrity TV journalists, travel to North Korea to interview the reclusive dictator, only to be recruited by the CIA to kill him. Rogen Tweets that he has hope Kim Jong Un appreciates his sense of humor, but so far North Korea has been unamused by The Interview.

Sony has denied reports that the edits are being forced on it by its Japanese arm. Japan, it should be remembered, is a much more likely target for North Korea's wrath than the United States, assuming this ever gets to the nuclear stage.

Source: Guardian

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Ahaahahhah no way North Korea is going to go to war over a movie. Call their bluff and make them look bad when they shit themselves when they realise..."oh crap we have to fight the whole world over a movie....thats kind of stupid."

As much as I hate the Government in North Korea. I think risking a PR Disaster to get a sub-par comedy is just stupid. Either we're going to go to go to war with them, which is fine BTW. But, if we don't intend on going to war outright insulting the people of a nation prevents (Mainly Japan/South Korea) from going to help as few of the people starve there as possible. If the Comedy wont accomplish the first then it certainly shouldn't prevent us from the diplomacy that makes possible the latter.

Azmael Silverlance:
Ahaahahhah no way North Korea is going to go to war over a movie. Call their bluff and make them look bad when they shit themselves when they realise..."oh crap we have to fight the whole world over a movie....thats kind of stupid."

Uhm... have you seen their leader... he's got his head so far up his own ass he's choking on his own head.

Nikolaz72:
As much as I hate the Government in North Korea. I think risking a PR Disaster to get a sub-par comedy is just stupid. Either we're going to wear or we're (Mainly Japan/South Korea) going to help as few of the people starve there as possible. If the Comedy wont accomplish the first then it certainly shouldn't prevent us from the diplomacy that makes possible the latter.

Diplomacy has it's place but yeah... this... is a point where a stand needs to be taken. It's one thing when you dictate what goes on in your own little fantasy land but when you start reaching out and imposing on the rest of the world., especially when you have next to 0 ability to actually back up your threats and bluff?

No. No No No.

It'd say, add edit the scene to where he gets kicked in the nuts while his face is being melted. Seriously, Sony NK isn't even that big a market, the face you lose in caving-in at this point would be more of a PR problem than the fact that you pissed off one crazy midgit with a bad haircut.

Hell I'm sure whatever sales you lose in North Korea for that scene will be made up for by increased sales in SOuth Korea....and the rest of the world.

BigTuk:
(Snipped for shortage)

Yes. This Seth Rogan comedy is where we make our stand and start insulting the North Korean people. Let's not stoop to their level, sticks and stones and their nuclear bomb may harm people but their words are harmless. There is no reason the Seth Rogan comedy cannot make fun of North Korea without the use of culturally significant things such as the buttons on soldiers uniforms. Far as Sony describes it it's just part of the custome, not signifant to the plot. And neither does the Facemelting scene sound very essential beyond -shock value-. And I always hate things put in for shock value-

See the 'Team America' puking scene. Where the protagonist pukes everywhere, like, five times his bodymass in puke, and in the end swims around in it into unconsciousness. Some things are just too tasteless to be funny, a facemelting scene is one of those things.

And if it's not funny, not essential to the plot, and insults the people of a nation. Then perhaps its time to question whether you need to dedicate however many minutes that scene takes up of the movie to that scene.

...What if North Korea's existence is actually just an ARG to promote this movie?

In all seriousness, let us laugh at the funny small man who thinks he actually has any power or influence outside his delusional country.

North Korea couldn't even touch Japan before its navy and/or a US carrier group shot any missiles out of the sky and met up the the dinghies NK calls its navy. The country that would be worried by this is South Korea, seeing as they are on good terms with the US and close enough for a NK attack to have some civilian casualties before the North's force were decimated. But, that would mean NK's leader really are stupid enough to bully several dragons and risk loosing their power to another US backed "freedom war".

I say go ahead with this movie as it was intended, no edits for some egomaniac dictatorship or the people who have nothing to worry about. NK has already pulled insulting moves over the years, such as digging a tunnel under the DMZ (aka no man's land except for some well guarded roads on both sides) and calling it a coal mine when they just painted the walls black and expected the world to believe them or hiring (forcing) people to "live" in a fake town within sight of a South Korean city in a vain attempt to convince to world it treats its citizens better than they thought. The DPRK is just a bunch of windbags who managed to get power over a small group of people who have to pretend to worship them in order to survive. They would love to get their way outside of their little part of the world, and we should not let them.

Buckshaft:
In all seriousness, let us laugh at the funny small man who thinks he actually has any power or influence outside his delusional country.

Well, evidently he does, hence the adjustment of the film....? :p

Nikolaz72:
There is no reason the Seth Rogan comedy cannot make fun of North Korea without the use of culturally significant things such as the buttons on soldiers uniforms.

That's not exactly the point. The point is, how cheesy it may sound, freedom of speech. North Korea wants to curb freedom of speech and does so liberally in their own country. Thing is that they also want to reach across their borders and decide what other countries can and cannot do. And by giving in and applying self-censorship with seemingly frivolous things like this we show that yes, North Korea can have power over us.

Now, again, it may just seem like this is 'just' about the comedy, but it isn't. The film ended up in the political arena, that's what matters. The film itself, not as much. It's almost a MacGuffin at this point. There are, however, more poignant examples of this sort of thing happening. It's just that with North Korea, everything starts looking so silly.

Yes, some things in this film may be tasteless, like the face-melting nonsense. And sure, it might be unnecessary. But that doesn't matter; Rogen has the right to make tasteless crap. That's how we roll.

Sony does know that just like his father Kim Jong Un is not a god and can do exactly nothing, no matter how much you insult him, his power or his country? Even IF he had the means, China would stop that shit before he got to throw any tantrums. FFS.

Cowabungaa:

Nikolaz72:
There is no reason the Seth Rogan comedy cannot make fun of North Korea without the use of culturally significant things such as the buttons on soldiers uniforms.

That's not exactly the point. The point is, how cheesy it may sound, freedom of speech. North Korea wants to curb freedom of speech and does so liberally in their own country. Thing is that they also want to reach across their borders and decide what other countries can and cannot do. And by giving in and applying self-censorship with seemingly frivolous things like this we show that yes, North Korea can have power over us.

Now, again, it may just seem like this is 'just' about the comedy, but it isn't. The film ended up in the political arena, that's what matters. The film itself, not as much. It's almost a MacGuffin at this point. There are, however, more poignant examples of this sort of thing happening. It's just that with North Korea, everything starts looking so silly.

I'd be insulted if the U.S had made a movie with a part of it insulting something culturally significant in my country that wasn't important for the comedy.

I just don't see any reason to insult people if there is.. No point to it other than 'those are the bad guys, its fun to insult them' look to the guy using the NK Propaganda videos as an example. Just because North Korea keeps insulting -everyone- doesn't mean we have to stoop to their level. It's like behaving as a child because a child is throwing a childish tantrum. We aren't children, we're supposed to be the grownups here.

Meanwhile I'm completely alright with an outright invasion and toppling of the Government of North Korea. But really, this small thing is only going to see people harmed for little reason but our own amusement if even -that-, if it's not funny or just part of the custome then it's not even going to be for our own amusement, then it's just going to be utter pointless. Harm for 'no' good reason.

What I'm saying is, go all the way. Either cause a lot of harm instantly or no harm at all, don't do gradual harm over time for the sake of proving some kind of point.

Nvm, out of the thread. If you aren't willing to agree to a war on North Korea to save the citizens, you shouldn't agree to something that's going to see more of them die regardless. And this happens every time a Kim Jung throws a temper tantrum, some Koreans gets killed.

I don't see any reason for that to happen over a stupid Seth Rogan comedy!

Nikolaz72:
I'd be insulted if the U.S had made a movie with a part of it insulting something culturally significant in my country that wasn't important for the comedy.

I just don't see any reason to insult people if there is.. No point to it other than 'those are the bad guys, its fun to insult them' look to the guy using the NK Propaganda videos as an example. Just because North Korea keeps insulting -everyone- doesn't mean we have to insult North Korea.

And then what? Rogen is not overstepping the boundaries we set on free speech, he has every right to do this. You might not like it, and I might not either, but that ain't the point. Neither is the point whether we do or do not see a reason for him making fun of someone. This is about him having the right to do so regardless of whether we like it or not, a right that should not be curbed by the whims of a completely different country.

North Korea can't even get their rockets to work right, but the fear for Japanese safety is a concern anyway. But I doubt seriously that even with edits Kim Jong Un will be pleased. If he decides to declare war, it will more than likely be posturing... or if we're really lucky he might decide to be on hand to fire the first rocket, and it spirals out of control taking him and his ministers/cabinet/whatever is comparable out and do us all a favor in a bit of...
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Irony?

Cowabungaa:
snip.

Sony are also within their rights to change the movie. Which they likely will.

I'm reminded of this one Christian dude that decided to burn Korans in his garden and make a big fuss of it resulting in the deaths of a dozen or so people.

People are crazy, you have free speech. There is no need to needlessly provoke crazy people into violent actions just because you 'can'.

I'd only say this is OK if they release an unedited version as well so you get a version for North Korea and a version for the rest of the world.

Nikolaz72:

Cowabungaa:
snip.

Sony are also within their rights to change the movie. Which they likely will.

I'm reminded of this one Christian dude that decided to burn Korans in his garden and make a big fuss of it resulting in the deaths of a dozen or so people.

People are crazy, you have free speech. There is no need to needlessly provoke crazy people into violent actions just because you 'can'.

They are indeed, and I think that that's not the morally right thing to do. We should not let our actions be guided by their idiocy, and we should well protect people against violent reactions. But self-censorship is not, I think, the morally right kind of protection. It's giving into threats, giving others who mean harm power over us making them, in term, decide what we can and cannot do. And that, I think, is in itself a bad thing.

The thing is the Kims are the thing in NK that most needs to be made fun of. Altering the buttons eliminates the most real world political portion of the movie.

Buckshaft:
...What if North Korea's existence is actually just an ARG to promote this movie?

After reading about all the crap going down in Ferguson, MO over night, and all the other terrible things all over the place lately-

This is the best thing I've read all day :)
Thank you.

To all the people claiming freedom of speech... first off, that is an American right, not a world right. Rogen wants to spew that kind of stuff, then go nuts. Limited to the US or other nations with Free Speech (Canada, UK, etc)

Secondly, I'm sure a good chunk of the people claiming freedom of speech for Rogen are opposed to freedom of speech for things like this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/robin-williams-dead-westboro-baptist-church-could-picket-actors-funeral-after-saying-he-was-hated-by-god-and-is-in-hell-9665392.html Where the infamous Westboro church spreads it cries of god hating gays, and divorce and other things.

Just because you agree something should be said doesn't make it right, it makes your opinion inline with the speakers. There is a huge difference.

captcha: Sound of Sirens - Hopefully not

The thing about North Korea is that while they (Last I checked) have the fourth largest army on earth, it's equipped entirely with WWII era technology, most of the soldiers are malnourished, they can't afford to keep their vehicles fueled/maintained, and they can't afford ammunition.
North Korea is in no state to attack anybody.
Their nuclear program is a joke, and they haven't even invented food yet.
Anger them all you want, all they can do is complain and make threats.

Cant stand Rogen. But the film does sound like fun. Though if they do cut anything then im not going to watch it. I just think the cuts they make will be the best parts of the movie.

Until Un started getting angry over this, I was just going to bursh it off as another stupid comedy film with Seth Rogan (although, I'll admit I liked the premise). Now, thanks to the way they are acting, I'm actually curious to see the film because of their outrage.

It's also got me wondering if Kim Jong Il had anything to say over 'Team America: World Police' portrayal of Il with all the rage Un is showing over this film? Okay, probably not, but I am curious about this.

Honestly right now I would like for this film get release in its truest form (no edit or censor) just to see if Kim Jong would really have an all wage out war over a film!

Demagogue:
To all the people claiming freedom of speech... first off, that is an American right, not a world right. Rogen wants to spew that kind of stuff, then go nuts. Limited to the US or other nations with Free Speech (Canada, UK, etc)

Secondly, I'm sure a good chunk of the people claiming freedom of speech for Rogen are opposed to freedom of speech for things like this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/robin-williams-dead-westboro-baptist-church-could-picket-actors-funeral-after-saying-he-was-hated-by-god-and-is-in-hell-9665392.html Where the infamous Westboro church spreads it cries of god hating gays, and divorce and other things.

Just because you agree something should be said doesn't make it right, it makes your opinion inline with the speakers. There is a huge difference.

captcha: Sound of Sirens - Hopefully not

Yeah and since none of the scenes in question were filmed in NK but in free speech countries. They are covered.

Now this isn't so much a matter of free speech but a matter of 'enough is enough'. We were tired when his dad did it and he lacks the charming personality of his father... and apparently the political tact.

Scarim Coral:
Honestly right now I would like for this film get release in its truest form (no edit or censor) just to see if Kim Jong would really have an all wage out war over a film!

Because war is fun and games... *rolls his eyes*

Demagogue:

Scarim Coral:
Honestly right now I would like for this film get release in its truest form (no edit or censor) just to see if Kim Jong would really have an all wage out war over a film!

Because war is fun and games... *rolls his eyes*

No (duh I was kidding), I just find the idea itself to be ridiculous as in if he was that up tight over it.

I think this is pure bullshit. They should have kept the movie as is. This is only going to make North Korea think(and maybe have) that they have a real influence on our society.

Demagogue:
To all the people claiming freedom of speech... first off, that is an American right, not a world right. Rogen wants to spew that kind of stuff, then go nuts. Limited to the US or other nations with Free Speech (Canada, UK, etc)

Secondly, I'm sure a good chunk of the people claiming freedom of speech for Rogen are opposed to freedom of speech for things like this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/robin-williams-dead-westboro-baptist-church-could-picket-actors-funeral-after-saying-he-was-hated-by-god-and-is-in-hell-9665392.html Where the infamous Westboro church spreads it cries of god hating gays, and divorce and other things.

Just because you agree something should be said doesn't make it right, it makes your opinion inline with the speakers. There is a huge difference.

captcha: Sound of Sirens - Hopefully not

I really don't see what this has to do with anything. Are are we not allowed to make a statement if foreigners do not like it?

Nikolaz72:

Cowabungaa:
snip.

Sony are also within their rights to change the movie. Which they likely will.

I'm reminded of this one Christian dude that decided to burn Korans in his garden and make a big fuss of it resulting in the deaths of a dozen or so people.

People are crazy, you have free speech. There is no need to needlessly provoke crazy people into violent actions just because you 'can'.

It looks as though one of you is arguing the movie should not exist, and one of you is arguing the movie should be ABLE to exist. You guys aren't necessarily disagreeing.

If I'm an editor and a man submits an article that's just 4,000 words claiming a gay man killed Santa Claus and has been financing the war on Christmas as part of the homosexual agenda, there's a vast gap between "This should be impossible to publish" and "I refuse to publish this and can't be friends with anyone who would."

Oh, don't give in to pressure. That's spineless and cowardly. Go tell them where to stick it and be done with it.

As much as I think North Korea is a terrible country, I really don't think that they are too out of line in asking for this movie to be canned. Do you think that anyone in the states would tolerate a movie where a group kills Obama (aside from racist white supremacists) It would get shutdown instantly.

At the same time, I really want to see this movie, I love Seth Rogen, it seems like a good premise, and I really hope they don't need to edit it down.

Demagogue:
To all the people claiming freedom of speech... first off, that is an American right, not a world right. Rogen wants to spew that kind of stuff, then go nuts. Limited to the US or other nations with Free Speech (Canada, UK, etc)

Secondly, I'm sure a good chunk of the people claiming freedom of speech for Rogen are opposed to freedom of speech for things like this: http://w
ww.independent.co.uk/news/people/robin-williams-dead-westboro-baptist-church-could-picket-actors-funeral-after-saying-he-was-hated-by-god-and-is-in-hell-9665392.html Where the infamous Westboro church spreads it cries of god hating gays, and divorce and other things.

Firs of all posting from phone so excuse the formatting.

Freedom of speech is actually recognized human right by UN. The american first amendment that is often refered as freedom of speech is actually only covdring part of the whole freedom of speech.

Secondly, as you could find in my posting history, i have repeatedly defended peoples right to freedom of speech even if i dont like what they say. Including, but not limited to westro baptist church, jim stelings racist remarks (no not our jim sterling, another one) and rock turtles pr guy. I support it so much as to not buy products from people who want to force them quiet, bdcause i believe in your right to say what you think even if i dont agree with you. After all, this is esential part of democracy, because censorship you competition leads to single-party systems.

Strazdas:

Freedom of speech is actually recognized human right by UN. The american first amendment that is often refered as freedom of speech is actually only covdring part of the whole freedom of speech.

Secondly, as you could find in my posting history, i have repeatedly defended peoples right to freedom of speech even if i dont like what they say. Including, but not limited to westro baptist church, jim stelings racist remarks (no not our jim sterling, another one) and rock turtles pr guy. I support it so much as to not buy products from people who want to force them quiet, bdcause i believe in your right to say what you think even if i dont agree with you. After all, this is esential part of democracy, because censorship you competition leads to single-party systems.

okay your phone made that fun to read... lol, but I got the gist of it.

I'm going to assume you are referring to this article:

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Which I agree gives Rogen the 'right' to make the movie... HOWEVER,

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

AKA, Your rights end when they impede/destroy any of the other rights. Putting aside the fact that NK definitely doesn't follow these, they technically are a member state and are afforded the same protection from them. Which in that case...

Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

(source: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/)

I would be 100% okay with the movie if they made a character that looked like him, and gave him another name, but they didn't. They are using his name, and the official buttons of their army (to be changed apparently), they are making a movie about killing him. Yes, it is a parody, but it doesn't matter.

Yes, he does the same thing, in their propaganda films. Those aren't produced and released to a world stage to make a profit.

You know how most movies put that little thing at the end that says any resemblance of actual people or events are not intentional, please don't sue us. (I'm paraphrasing) Rogen CAN'T do that with this movie... because he is making a movie about killing a real person.

Demagogue:
Yes, it is a parody, but it doesn't matter.

It does. precisely because its a comedy. Its the same exception as the caricature artists can paint real people (for example politicians) in variuos situations. Creating a parody is different than claiming that that person is like that. Hence the film does not impede NKs rights, thus Rogen retains his right to freedom of speech. That being said, Sony also has their right to not publish it in the form Rogen wants, and Rogen has a right to take his movie elsewhere barring contract obligation.

However Sony is know to be a coward when it comes to public opinion. See 7 Days in Fallujah history for an example.

 

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