Marvel's Doctor Strange Will Not Be an Origin Story

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Marvel's Doctor Strange Will Not Be an Origin Story

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Don't expect Marvel's Sorcerer Supreme to explain himself in new movie

Marvel Comics' Doctor Strange has one of his Universe's more memorable origin stories: A brilliant but arrogant surgeon, Stephen Strange loses his skills and livelihood when an accident permanently injures his hands. Seeking a magical cure from a Himalayan mystic, he is instead drafted to become The Sorcerer Supreme - a master of magic who protects Earth from demonic forces. But it seems this origin story won't be a part of Marvel's upcoming Doctor Strange movie - or, at least, it won't be the focus of the story.

In an appearance on the Meet The Movie Press podcast (the relevant part begins around 52:09) Badass Digest head Devin Faraci, a film journalist widely regarded as one of the most reliable sources of Marvel Studios production-news, offered insight into the development of Doctor Strange. After mentioning the existence of an earlier script written "in-house" at Marvel that was structured as a traditional origin story, he explained:

"Marvel's new thing is 'No More Origin Stories,' so Doctor Strange is no longer an origin. It begin in medias res, it's got Doctor Strange already established as the Sorcerer Supreme, and it's a totally new script."

While a notably different direction from the debut films of other characters, this approach obviously does not preclude Doctor Strange from revealing his backstory at some point during the main story - as was the case in Blade or the original 1989 Batman. The new script is being written from scratch by Jonathan Spaits and directed by Sinister helmer Scott Derrickson. The character was previously adapted into a low-rated TV movie in 1977 and was almost made in 1992 by Full Moon Features... who lost the rights but made the film anyway as Doctor Mordrid.

Source: Meet The Movie Press

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I'm so happy they ditched the idea of "origin stories". It's been the same formula for a long while.

1a. Hero gets powers and motivation.
1b. Hero had powers and decided to use them.
2. Second act consist of him doing stuff while the villain plots in the background.
3. It's the big clash between hero and villain in the 3rd act.

Huh...good to see they are dropping that boring origin stuff.

OTOH, I don't care about this hero at all, so, "meh". Still, step in the right direction, I guess.

I remember the animated film they made for him. It was pretty good but I suppose it will be an interesting concept to introduce a hero without an origin story. I realize this has been done before but it has not been done much. I suppose they are going to play him as a mature character. Though they will probably have someone in the movie who is new to magic so he has a reason to explain everything to the audience in terms we would understand. Sort of like V for Vendetta but with magic.

Dorammu must make an appearance for me to be satisfied Marvel's willing to take the Sorcerer Supreme leap. Or maybe pull out Mephisto again, more like the comic version?
Nightmare... oh Nightmare would be fun.

It worked pretty well for The Incredible Hulk, all things considered. That wasn't a bad movie, just not as much fun as the others because, well, it's Hulk. And the MCU wasn't really established at that point. But I can totally see this working without an origin story.

Dr strange being an already established person within the mcu is not totally surprising considering he was actually mentioned in the winter soldier , admittedly it was just in passing as part of a list of names being run off on the roof by agent sitwell. But within the mcu little details tend to matter.

I like the kind of 'Hellboy 2' start. This way we can be surprised by all sides, not just the new world that the hero enters into. I like being thrown into the mix and getting to pick up its rules on the way instead of being told what the hero can do and what the terrible price for his powers and responsibility blah blah is.

and besides, Marvel movies belong to the most fun I've had in cinemas for years, so I'm sold even if Dr. Strange turns out to be a dud. Which I don't belive. Because magic and demons.

That origin story actually seems pretty interesting, and personally I really don't mind origin stories, especially not for "new" characters like Strange :]

Hate to disappoint everyone, but they will include his origin in the movie, even if it's a simple one liner about being in a car crash and learning magic at some temple.

I understand the "idea" of "no more origin stories." But unless the movie gives the origin story the audience can't connect with the character (well, those of us who had Strange comics and or saw the animated film can.) And without telling the full story with the first movie you can either A: show the storyline of the first movie with cut ins from relevant points in the hero's origin story along the way (can be difficult to do without derailing the pacing) or B: truncate the origin story down to its most streamlined form and tack it onto the beginning of the film (possibly making the run time too long.)

And there's characters you can do this with well enough, and characters you can't. I'd lean toward Strange being in the later category. But I trust Marvel to get it right, they have more than half the time so far.

I've always loved Doctor Strange as a character; I'm typically into most characters that have to work for their powers somehow rather than being born with them or bestowed through random chance or destiny (like Iron Man, or Batman). Being one of a small handful of occult-style heroes in the Marvelverse, he caught my attention early on and while not having the roster of truly memorable storylines as some of the big hitters out there, I always appreciated the fact he offered something different.

So, this news both excites and worries me a little bit. There's a lot I can get behind with the news I've heard of thus far, but there's still a few things I'm eyeing with some suspicion.

The fact it's not going to be an origin story sounds, on paper, to be fantastic; sure, Marvel has been getting pretty good at doing amazing origin story movies (Guardians of the Galaxy was a huge success after all), but given the upcoming films that will likely introduce a great many new faces to the MCU roster, they were always going to have to pick up the pace, especially in cases where they're likely to be one-off movies (Ant-Man, I'm looking at you here). Doctor Strange is, however, a bit of an odd fish, and a substantial departure from the current Marvel heroes we've seen depicted in the MCU thus far, especially since they've worked really hard to wave off a lot of the mythic or supernatural-looking stuff as just Asgardian technology or hyper-science (namely the various Thor movies and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. If Marvel is intending to introduce the sort of heavy occult stuff that makes Doctor Strange so, well, strange, that's a lot that needs explaining to the audience, especially if we're coming into it with a ready-to-go Sorcerer Supreme already on the scene. Now there's plenty of ways they can make that sort of setup work, Marvel have made enough strange ideas work for me to have faith in that, but I feel like they're needlessly stacking the deck against themselves right now.

That brings me onto the second thing I'm nervous about; the director. I'm not hating on Scott Derrickson here, I've not personally seen enough of his films to pass any sort of comment, personal or otherwise, but it's clear this guy is a horror movie director, which would indicate that Marvel wants Doctor Strange to have at least that sort of vibe. Now that's pretty cool, Marvel's done excellent work expanding out of the niche idea that a superhero movie has to be solely an action movie (Captain America 2: Winter Soldier is a great political thriller), but especially when it comes to most modern horror films, all my experiences have been jump scares and clunky exposition dumps dotted throughout. Now that's a personal opinion of course, horror has never been my preferred genre, and it might be Scott Derrickson's work don't use these elements so much; from ratings I've seen of his past films, he scores above-average, but not exceptionally high, which is promising, but I'm both intrigued and suspicious as to how much horror they'll be introducing into Doctor Strange.

I could ramble on further about Doctor Strange, but that's really for another forum thread. I really want this to be an awesome film, even if it doesn't rake in the fat cash or gets a sequel; I'll take a single, well made Doctor Strange movie over any number of terrible ones. And at least it'll be better than the TV movie...

I think the more pressing matter here is how have I never heard of Doctor Mordrid? That shizz looks intense, why hasn't Bob done a Big Picture on that yet?

OT: I bet I can see how this is going to go.

Someone/people are going to get into a strange situation involving the occult, maybe a possession, summoned boogie man, etc. Then, out of nowhere and likely poised under a street lamp with his back turned to the camera, Doctor Strange will show up and put an end to the paranormal shenanigans. The mystery of who he is will work with the mystery of what's going on, the folk/s in trouble acting as a conduit for the audience.

I'm worried that they'll run the risk of creating movies based on films that comic fans want, rather than what will work. Dr Strange would totally make sense as a TV show, but as a film? I'm not sure that there's enough draw there. People will be quick to point out Guardians, but frankly that film sold itself on it's own wackiness - and suffered a fair amount of critical detraction as a result. I remain to be convinced that Ant-Man or Dr Strange can appeal to the casual moviegoer, even with the insane goodwill that Marvel Studios have amassed.

The only Sorcerer Supreme I'd be interested in watching a movie about is one staring Captain Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce.

I liked the first 2 thirds of the animated origin movie, all they need to do is make that Canon and leave the rest as flashbacks

Dan of Hats:

That brings me onto the second thing I'm nervous about; the director. I'm not hating on Scott Derrickson here, I've not personally seen enough of his films to pass any sort of comment, personal or otherwise, but it's clear this guy is a horror movie director, which would indicate that Marvel wants Doctor Strange to have at least that sort of vibe. Now that's pretty cool, Marvel's done excellent work expanding out of the niche idea that a superhero movie has to be solely an action movie (Captain America 2: Winter Soldier is a great political thriller), but especially when it comes to most modern horror films, all my experiences have been jump scares and clunky exposition dumps dotted throughout. Now that's a personal opinion of course, horror has never been my preferred genre, and it might be Scott Derrickson's work don't use these elements so much; from ratings I've seen of his past films, he scores above-average, but not exceptionally high, which is promising, but I'm both intrigued and suspicious as to how much horror they'll be introducing into Doctor Strange.

I could ramble on further about Doctor Strange, but that's really for another forum thread. I really want this to be an awesome film, even if it doesn't rake in the fat cash or gets a sequel; I'll take a single, well made Doctor Strange movie over any number of terrible ones. And at least it'll be better than the TV movie...

Wouldn't it be awesome if they made an M rated Dr Strange movie full of twisted, demonic and gory imagery, and really scary villain(s)?

With a setup like the "Marvel Movie Universe" it makes sense that they eventually would stop having origin story-centric movies; at least to me it makes considerable less sense that they're going to start this transition with Dr. Strange of all characters.

008Zulu:
Hate to disappoint everyone, but they will include his origin in the movie, even if it's a simple one liner about being in a car crash and learning magic at some temple.

They're not saying he wont have an origin. That was never in question. It's just not going to be the entire movie, like Spider-Man or Iron Man was.

Dan of Hats:
That brings me onto the second thing I'm nervous about; the director. I'm not hating on Scott Derrickson here, I've not personally seen enough of his films to pass any sort of comment, personal or otherwise, but it's clear this guy is a horror movie director, which would indicate that Marvel wants Doctor Strange to have at least that sort of vibe. Now that's pretty cool, Marvel's done excellent work expanding out of the niche idea that a superhero movie has to be solely an action movie (Captain America 2: Winter Soldier is a great political thriller), but especially when it comes to most modern horror films, all my experiences have been jump scares and clunky exposition dumps dotted throughout. Now that's a personal opinion of course, horror has never been my preferred genre, and it might be Scott Derrickson's work don't use these elements so much; from ratings I've seen of his past films, he scores above-average, but not exceptionally high, which is promising, but I'm both intrigued and suspicious as to how much horror they'll be introducing into Doctor Strange.

The only movie I've seen of his is Sinister, which I can definitely say is nothing like the typical modern horror schlock. There is probably only one "jump scare" (if it can even be considered that), and the rest is entirely psychological/atmospheric. In other words, it's a horror movie that actually induces in you a sense of horror, rather than just trying to startle you, and it actually works.

I found it ironic, spiderman had 2 orgin story, hulk had a tv series and movie telling the same orgin story. Both batman and superman had numerous orgin stories.

Yet Dr.Strange is relatively new to non-comic readers but they're skipping the orgin? This does not make sense.

VondeVon:
The only Sorcerer Supreme I'd be interested in watching a movie about is one staring Captain Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce.

Alan Alda is like 80 years old.

Soviet Heavy:

VondeVon:
The only Sorcerer Supreme I'd be interested in watching a movie about is one staring Captain Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce.

Alan Alda is like 80 years old.

Yes. It's a tragedy.

So the same as Thors then? Not really an Origin Story on how he got the hammer or said powers at the beginning? Fine by me.

Don't know why people are shocked though, non of the Guardians got an Origin story, and again, Thor didn't :P same for Black Widow and Hawkeye. They will undoubtedly referance an Origin though.

Still, can't wait to see a new hero in the MCU, i love that they are tackling generally unknown hero's instead of sticking to the ones everyone knows.

No surprise here. Dr. Strange was already listed as a Hydra target in Winter Soldier. They're not going to roll back their ongoing timeline for anything more than maybe a quick origin flashback.

I guess I'm ok with that since his origin story isn't exactly long or rather it can be done in less than 30 minutes.

ExtraDebit:
I found it ironic, spiderman had 2 orgin story, hulk had a tv series and movie telling the same orgin story. Both batman and superman had numerous orgin stories.

Yet Dr.Strange is relatively new to non-comic readers but they're skipping the orgin? This does not make sense.

Yeah, this is a weird place to do that. But hey, maybe they can make it work.

Random Argument Man:
I'm so happy they ditched the idea of "origin stories". It's been the same formula for a long while.

1a. Hero gets powers and motivation.
1b. Hero had powers and decided to use them.
2. Second act consist of him doing stuff while the villain plots in the background.
3. It's the big clash between hero and villain in the 3rd act.

What you've described is a basic story structure, and isn't exclusive to Origin Stories.

Zachary Amaranth:

ExtraDebit:
I found it ironic, spiderman had 2 orgin story, hulk had a tv series and movie telling the same orgin story. Both batman and superman had numerous orgin stories.

Yet Dr.Strange is relatively new to non-comic readers but they're skipping the orgin? This does not make sense.

Yeah, this is a weird place to do that. But hey, maybe they can make it work.

My guess is they are trying to avoid nailing down too much about the magic stuff, to keep the religious freakos from yelling about Satanism!! and ERHMAGURD MARVEL IS TRYING TO CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN WITH THEIR EVIL MAGIC STORY! Notice how in Thor, they made a point to say that "Magic and Technology are one in the same" to sort of handwave away the mystic side of Marvel-verse. I think this is intentional, to gloss over it and avoid ruffling any feather, so they'll just sort of mention it in a short flashback, and then go back to the main events.

Problem solved.

008Zulu:
Hate to disappoint everyone, but they will include his origin in the movie, even if it's a simple one liner about being in a car crash and learning magic at some temple.

The point is that the movie won't be about his origin itself. We won't get more than a mention or a flashback.

Happyninja42:

My guess is they are trying to avoid nailing down too much about the magic stuff, to keep the religious freakos from yelling about Satanism!! and ERHMAGURD MARVEL IS TRYING TO CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN WITH THEIR EVIL MAGIC STORY! Notice how in Thor, they made a point to say that "Magic and Technology are one in the same" to sort of handwave away the mystic side of Marvel-verse. I think this is intentional, to gloss over it and avoid ruffling any feather, so they'll just sort of mention it in a short flashback, and then go back to the main events.

Problem solved.

Keep in mind Thor was always about space aliens with advanced technology that resembles magic. Or perhaps not always, but the idea of magic being the same as technology is pretty old in Thor and likely has nothing to do with placating complainers. It likely had to do more wiith trying to reconcile the comics.

Similarly, I don't think the "Sorcerer Supreme" will have fewer complaints if they don't nail down when and how he learned sorcery, but they've done multiple comics that deal with the concept of magic as simply being "interdimensional energy" in a very sci-fi way.

Edguy:
Wouldn't it be awesome if they made an M rated Dr Strange movie full of twisted, demonic and gory imagery, and really scary villain(s)?

With the House of Mouse looming over their shoulders? I can't see that happening, and to be honest I don't really mind that at all; gory, shock-horror stuff isn't the kind of thing I associate with Doctor Strange, or at least the more memorable stuff I've read of his. Strange is about mystery, and certainly it can be horrifying, but in a more Lovecraftian styling rather than Hellraiser (something that Scott Derrickson worked on I noticed, at least one of them anyway).

Mad Sun:
The only movie I've seen of his is Sinister, which I can definitely say is nothing like the typical modern horror schlock. There is probably only one "jump scare" (if it can even be considered that), and the rest is entirely psychological/atmospheric. In other words, it's a horror movie that actually induces in you a sense of horror, rather than just trying to startle you, and it actually works.

That's actually quite reassuring; if it's a horror director at the helm, I'd rather it was one who didn't rely on the very samey tropes that modern horror films seem to exhibit so much of. Marvel does have a nice record (for the most part) of picking directors you might not expect to work on big budget superhero movies and letting them work (Shane Black and James Gunn spring to mind), and I'm hoping it's the case with Scott Derrickson.

So will it be more like Tim Burtons Batman? Where he was Batman already and you got flash backs to tell the origin instead of a whole movie dedicated to it. Its a great idea.

Zachary Amaranth:

Happyninja42:

My guess is they are trying to avoid nailing down too much about the magic stuff, to keep the religious freakos from yelling about Satanism!! and ERHMAGURD MARVEL IS TRYING TO CORRUPT OUR CHILDREN WITH THEIR EVIL MAGIC STORY! Notice how in Thor, they made a point to say that "Magic and Technology are one in the same" to sort of handwave away the mystic side of Marvel-verse. I think this is intentional, to gloss over it and avoid ruffling any feather, so they'll just sort of mention it in a short flashback, and then go back to the main events.

Problem solved.

Keep in mind Thor was always about space aliens with advanced technology that resembles magic. Or perhaps not always, but the idea of magic being the same as technology is pretty old in Thor and likely has nothing to do with placating complainers. It likely had to do more wiith trying to reconcile the comics.

Similarly, I don't think the "Sorcerer Supreme" will have fewer complaints if they don't nail down when and how he learned sorcery, but they've done multiple comics that deal with the concept of magic as simply being "interdimensional energy" in a very sci-fi way.

Yes, but the character Thor, is also referred to, and is most commonly known as the God of Thunder. Which then begs the questions:

Well is he a god? Are they actual dieties, or just aliens like in Stargate SG 1? Is it some subtle attack on Christianity and a declaration against religion?!?! PROTEST!!

I'm waxing fanatic there of course, simply to illustrate some of the likely stupid arguments that some people will make. And they will try and make them, considering their track record over the years with other stories that go against their religious beliefs.

And yes, doing the "magic as just energy" thing, I think is a very concerted effort on the publishers part, to prevent any group from going apeshit about what the story is trying to suggest. Back when Dr. Strange was first created, they probably just didn't care, but over the years, as the moral religious-oids started getting more vocal, and yelling about stuff, it seems entirely reasonable on the part of a publisher, to avoid further bad press and stupid boycott's of their harmless story, by just retconning the source of the power a bit. I mean hell, that's something comics are famous for, rewriting the entire cosmos to fit some new writers story concept.

Happyninja42:
Are they actual dieties, or just aliens like in Stargate SG 1? Is it some subtle attack on Christianity and a declaration against religion?!?! PROTEST!!

So nothing's changed then. As the Asgardians have always (or long) been like the Asgard from SG-1, inspiring the God myths, they haven't changed anything for the movie or even skirted the complaints.

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