Farewell Jim Sterling

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Goodbye Jim and congrats! I will be following your work and have already placed a donation at your feet.

LarsInCharge:

LifeCharacter:

Super Not Cosmo:
Justify it however you like but the fact remains that it's rather hypocritical to cry foul when a group you disagree with uses the exact same tactics as groups you probably support if not belong to have been using for years. Some people of lesser restraint might ask how it feels to get a taste of your own medicine. It's a good thing I'm a paragon of restraint.

Except they're not using the exact same tactics, which was exactly my point before you decided you'd rather whine about liberals than actually read what I wrote. As I said, the difference between one group and the other's motives just puts things in perspective, especially when one of the group's issues is that their offense is in response to something completely fictional.

Why are you arguing with him?

He once said "95% of blacks are either criminals or on welfare"

He once said "GLAAD are domestic terrorists, and are worse than the KKK"

You are not going to get through.

You're trying too hard there slugger. A person less civilized than myself might go so far as to say that you are going elbow deep to pull that nonsense out of your ass but being a civilized person I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt and simply assume you are mistaken. I'm relatively certain I've not said those things you have quoted me as saying. Don't get me wrong I'm happy to agree that an disproportionately large number of blacks are either incarcerated on getting welfare of some sort when compared to people of other races but I've never used the 95% number. Nor have I claimed that GLAAD are "worse than the KKK". However, I do think that GLAAD (Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Disagreement) is a vile group of hatemongers and have no problem saying as such.

A more suspicious person might also notice that you joined barely even two months ago and wonder exactly how you know what I've said in the past as I haven't spoken on either of those topics in quite some time. However, being the trusting soul that I am I'm sure you are simply a long time lurker and in NO WAY jumping a ban on a prior account. You see, I like to think the best of people it's just who I am.

LifeCharacter:
He once said "Why does Yahtzee say 'fuck you, got mine' like its a bad thing?"

This I did say and still proudly stand by.

Revnak:
He's pissed because they interviewed Roguestar in their gg interviews, who has apparently gone out of his way to attack Jim in the past. Essentially, they put their desire to interview an absolute asshole so as not to look 'tehbiased' to gamergaters ahead of the well being of their biggest contributor. That is why Jim is badmouthing them. I can't say I blame him, I'd be pissed too if my boss did something like that. Really lowers my opinion of Archon.

That's a bit of a moot point, though, since they took the interview down after he brought this to management's attention. They didn't have to do that...but they did. They bent over backwards for him (most companies would've either fired him or ordered him to stay off of Twitter after some of his remarks) and this is how he chooses to repay them.

I can't thank God for Jim in good conscience after his deplorable behavior over the past few months.

I came here to watch Yahtzee and Jim, and I'm all outta Jim...

That sucks. He might have been hypocritical at times but at his heart I really do think he is in it for the right reasons. Sad to see him go, but at least he's not stopped completely. Keep fighting the good fight. I know you will because you're Jim Fucking Sterling, Son!

Although after seeing those tweets I am really starting to loth the escapist as a company. Just so much shit seems to get started there that doesn't need to be started.

And now I only have Moviebob to show up for; Unforgotten Realms, Extra Credits and Jim having moved on, there's very little reason to remain on the website.

Double post, please delete.

ThreeName:

No, not him being blacklisted, him being a part of the blacklisting of someone else. I honestly couldn't be arsed following it up, but you seem to have been reading a few comments on this thread too so I'm surprised you haven't noticed it. Apparently the fellow's name is "Allistar Pinsoff" if you feel inclined to look into it.

Allistair Pinsof stated more than a few times in twitter and in AMA that Jim was always fine by him during his firing and has cleared his name of any involvement. He stated that on twitter, but I don't know how to search one's feed, but I *can* provide his AMA on Reddit.

Q:In your story, you told of Jim Sterling' breakdown[Grimner note: Allistair tweeted that Jim cried on the phone whilte talking to Pinsof about the situation]. Now that he's no longer at Destructoid, do you think you can get him to tell his perspective of your firing now?

A: "Breakdown" is a pretty dramatic way to frame it. He, like most not directly involved, felt conflicted in how things went down between me and Niero. I think he was sympathetic to my situation, having been there before.
I don't think it'd be to either of our interests for him to expand on those feelings. He's a good guy that I was always happy to see and talk to. He's a real person in an industry with few of them.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2k8kds/iama_exgame_journalist_who_has_been_used_as/

ShakerSilver:
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Except Jim was neither directly involved in Pinsof's firing, was not the one who attempted blacklisting (Pinsof accuses Dale North and Niero specifically) and was never a part of the GJP where the blacklisting took place. In fact, and again according to Pinsof, Jim's views on GJP were extremely negative.

ShakerSilver:

It's his fault that his employers were pressured by other parties to fire him and have organize other editors to not hire him? I'm not sure I follow the logic there.

There's very likely a lot more to it then your letting on, as nothing happens for no reason. Gamer Gate supporters are hardly what I would call 'fair and balanced' more like 'with us or against us', and I've nether time or the interest in people who's vision is monotone.

Besides, most states in the US have an 'at will' employment clause. This mean you can be fired, or removed from your job, for no reason, course, it also mean your free to leave for just for any or no reason as well.

Fox12:

I used to be fond of him, but he just became so petty and vindictive. I've seen his twitter feed, and he has a rather ugly personality when he gets irritated (which is often, apparently). He also tends to give bad films good reviews based solely on their political message, which has a negative impact on my ability to trust hid judgement of artistic quality. A film that delivers a message I support in a clumsy manner is a bad movie. Bob doesn't seem to understand that.

It's funny, I started off hating Jim and loving Bob, but that's clearly changed quite a lot. I'll miss Sterling. I am curious about what went down, though. It can't just be Gamer gate, right?

Bob has been toxic and has expressed dislike for his audience multiple times in the past. Though only recently did it start to bleed into his work with the whole, "The audience is the problem" thing dealing with the Michael Bay hate. He was wrong then, and he continues to be wrong.

His Twitter feed is as you say, and leaves quite the impression. Regardless on how people view Gamergate, or any topic, they should never lower themselves to that sort of behavior. I don't think Jim ever has, not recently. And he apologized for things in the past. I stopped following him on twitter before GamerGate happened. But I did watch a few of his recent videos after finding out about him leaving, and I don't see dislike or disdain for the audience. The only content contributor I'd level that accusation at is Bob. Though Grey's twitter feed is equally cringe inducing...

As for GamerGate being the reason? I doubt it. I know Jim didn't particularly like it, and I saw someone talking about him tweeting disapproval of Archon posting those dev opinions on gamergate. So maybe that had something to do with it. But I think there are other reasons. Knowing Jim, I would imagine he thinks GG is petty, and so likely has other larger reasons for stepping down.

Wow, that came out of nowhere. And just when I was starting to tolerate him :( Too bad we lost Jim Fucking Sterling Son and not Game Theory. I swear, the dodgey logic and clickbait titles might be undeserving of my hate if they didn't openly insult other Youtubers.

Well this is kinda out of nowhere, for me at least.
But reading all this I can understand it a bit.

Sad to see him go, like most other I come here mainly for Jim, Yahtzee and Bob, was really looking forward to the next round of Uncivil War too.
Guess I'll check out Jim's new site.

SlumlordThanatos:
I'm curious.

Given Jim's remarks after announcing his departure from the Escapist, I'm wondering why the management has nothing to say about his badmouthing (in public) his former employers. I don't care who he is; I would be publicly disavowing any former employee who speaks about my company in that way. Is management really okay with what he has to say?

Additionally, while I admire Jim's initiative in striking out on his own (and succeeding, after taking a look at his new Patreon, holy shit), this kinda seems like he is taking his football and going home, while badmouthing everyone as he leaves. I still think he is a hypocrite of the highest order, but it baffles me how a reputable company will tolerate his unprofessional behavior, regardless of his opinions.

You guys should hire Boogie to replace him, though. I would buy Premium membership if you did.

Given the way that said reputable company backed down completely and unequivocally when (presumably) Jim presented them evidence of harassment from Roguestar; given how violently he lashed out at being kept in the dark and at the fact said company signing the piece in his name without his knowledge or consent; given that the higher up of that company, who had up to that point, frequently interjected on GG discussion, abruptly and completely disengaged of any further discussion on the theme... given all that, one could definitely make the case that it is the company who is the guiltier party, as opposed to the disgruntled employee.

SlumlordThanatos:

Revnak:
He's pissed because they interviewed Roguestar in their gg interviews, who has apparently gone out of his way to attack Jim in the past. Essentially, they put their desire to interview an absolute asshole so as not to look 'tehbiased' to gamergaters ahead of the well being of their biggest contributor. That is why Jim is badmouthing them. I can't say I blame him, I'd be pissed too if my boss did something like that. Really lowers my opinion of Archon.

That's a bit of a moot point, though, since they took the interview down after he brought this to management's attention. They didn't have to do that...but they did. They bent over backwards for him (most companies would've either fired him or ordered him to stay off of Twitter after some of his remarks) and this is how he chooses to repay them.

I can't thank God for Jim in good conscience after his deplorable behavior over the past few months.

He was pissed at his employers for being idiots. He is still pissed at them for it. I am not fucking blaming him for this. Sure, they tried to make it up to him, but it was too little too late. Add to that the amount of abuse he has gotten from gamergate, which the Escapist in general, and Archon in particular, has bent over backwards to appease, and you can see why he's pissed.

Personally, Susan calling her former boss a chickenshit is enough to make me pretty certain that what Jim's doing is justified. If Archon pushed out Susan and Jim, then I don't see why I should respect the guy, especially if his reaction to gamergate turns out to be based on solely selfish reasons rather than anything I would find agreeable, as Susan is implying.

That all being said, the fact that he did explode on Twitter and Facebook would be grounds for firing, I agree. It doesn't excuse Archon, and it doesn't make me think less of Jim, but I agree that in most situations it would be reasonable to fire him over it.

And what "deplorable behavior?" Not supporting gamergate? Not answering every conspiratorial question thrown at him? Not throwing every friend he has under the bus for such a worthless cause as gamergate?

Stop. You are getting pissed off at one of the better voices in the industry because he isn't toeing your line. As a progressive, I get pissed when my kind do this (you'll never see me calling for Kojima's head, despite his flaws), so don't even try and reverse this on me either. Let him continue being one of the biggest consumer advocates out there in regards to literally every subject other than the ones gamergate is currently overblowing.

This sucks, Jim was one of the reasons I am also on the Escapist other than Yahtzee's ZP. I remember his departure from Destructoid, but now here? Wherever he posts his content, I shall also follow.

Good luck in your future endeavors, Mr. Sterling.

Revnak:
That all being said, the fact that he did explode on Twitter and Facebook would be grounds for firing, I agree. It doesn't excuse Archon, and it doesn't make me think less of Jim, but I agree that in most situations it would be reasonable to fire him over it.

And what "deplorable behavior?" Not supporting gamergate? Not answering every conspiratorial question thrown at him? Not throwing every friend he has under the bus for such a worthless cause as gamergate?

You point out his "deplorable behavior" in one sentence, and then conveniently forget about it in the next. Go figure.

My issue is not that he has a different opinion than me, but that he refuses to call out shitty behavior (and it IS shitty, comparing people to terrorists and Nazis is pretty shitty) by people in his own industry. He can certainly do that and not support Gamergate, because there are shitty things going on with both sides of this affair. David Pakman does it, after all, he even says so himself.

But he hasn't. Jim even plugs Leigh Alexander's article (you know, the thing that threw a propane cylinder on top of this fire?) in one of his videos, and that was the last straw.

I just want to be left alone to play video games without people telling me that I'm a horrible person for doing so. Jim is going somewhere I don't have to listen to him, so I'm going to thank him for the good things he did have to say and wish him the best of luck in his current endeavors.

But my opinion of him as a consumer advocate will forever be damaged by this affair.

When I saw the title, my first thought was "OH GOD! DID HE DIE?!" Jesus, Escapist, don't scare me like that!

But, yeah, it is heartbreaking to see Jim leave The Escapist. Not out of bad terms with the site, but rather on his own choosing. His Patron page explains his reasons for departing.

http://www.patreon.com/jimquisition

On a related note, he did mention the shady dealings of game companies before in a previous Jimquisition episode which led to this outcome.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9782-Shadow-of-Mordors-Promotion-Deals-with-Plaid-Social

I can understand his decision to go off on his own. You don't want to compromise your voice because of the underhanded B.S. of the AAA games industry. And the last thing I'd ever want to see is The Escapist pull a Gamespot (look up articles on Jeff Gerstmann for that horrifying story) on one of its people because they made a blood pact with someone like EA or Ubisoft. I'm not saying it will happen one day, but there is the frightening possibility.

Still, The Escapist will not be the same without the voice of Jim Fucking Sterling, Son. Not just Jimquisition and Movie Defense Force, but we may have seen the last of him and Yahtzee's epic rivalry in Rhymedown Spectacular and Uncivil War (unless the higher-ups say otherwise). And I'm still waiting for Yahtzee to do his poem of defeat while eating mustard.

Having said all that, I will continue to support Jim in his new venture on YouTube. I wish him the best of luck in his brave, new endeavor. To me, he was, and still is, one of the few sane voices in this business and I hope he continues to fight the good fight as long as possible.

Thank God for you, Jim.

We love you, and, we will miss you. =)

Time to salute Jim Fucking Sterling...Son!

Well this is lame. :c

Oh well, could be worse. At least Jim is still in the game.

Best of luck to ya, Jim! I'll see ya on youtube/your website I guess. :D
Thank God for you, Jim.

Well...that's pretty shocking. I figured Jim would have said something about this during last week's Jimquisition or something.

Oh well.

I may not always agree with you, Jim, but you always were at least entertaining, especially when you perform your bashing of big publishers.

Thank god for you, Jim "Fucking" Sterling.

ThreeName:
No, not him being blacklisted, him being a part of the blacklisting of someone else. I honestly couldn't be arsed following it up, but you seem to have been reading a few comments on this thread too so I'm surprised you haven't noticed it. Apparently the fellow's name is "Allistar Pinsoff" if you feel inclined to look into it.

Oh, I know about that. He whistleblew the misuse of a Kickstarter in a way that was out of order in quite a few ways and put reporting the story ahead of, you know, journalistic ethics, such as questioning the repercussions of reporting on the story. Unwillingness to associate with him professionally because of that isn't exactly as heinous as many are making it out to be.

Mr. Q:
I can understand his decision to go off on his own. You don't want to compromise your voice because of the underhanded B.S. of the AAA games industry. And the last thing I'd ever want to see is The Escapist pull a Gamespot (look up articles on Jeff Gerstmann for that horrifying story) on one of its people because they made a blood pact with someone like EA or Ubisoft. I'm not saying it will happen one day, but there is the frightening possibility.

On a somewhat related note, when Jim left Destructoid months ago, shortly after giving the new Batman game a poor review score, he said, and has continuously insisted, that it was of his own free will. There's obviously skepticism as to whether thats the case or not, but given how insistent he has been about pointing out that he wasn't fired for that review (and even went so far as to visit a porn blog and correct somebody when they said that he fired) I'm thinking its of his own free will this time as well.

SlumlordThanatos:
I just want to be left alone to play video games without people telling me that I'm a horrible person for doing so.

Even if these articles calling you a horrible person for playing videogames existed (hint: they don't), there's a simple solution to that - don't read it.

I don't bitch and moan for months on end and lie and harass advertisers to pull support from sites that have published opinions that have attacked a group of people in which I lay. I just don't patron those sites. Its a really easy thing to do. I mean, how many people here really, truly visited Gamasutra, a site that exists for the benefit of game developers (as singular people, not organizations) before Leigh Alexander posted an opinion article that completely did not in any way attack simply because they play videogames.

SlumlordThanatos:

Revnak:
That all being said, the fact that he did explode on Twitter and Facebook would be grounds for firing, I agree. It doesn't excuse Archon, and it doesn't make me think less of Jim, but I agree that in most situations it would be reasonable to fire him over it.

And what "deplorable behavior?" Not supporting gamergate? Not answering every conspiratorial question thrown at him? Not throwing every friend he has under the bus for such a worthless cause as gamergate?

You point out his "deplorable behavior" in one sentence, and then conveniently forget about it in the next. Go figure.

In a capitalist system, you fire workers when they get uppity, even if it is for a totally legitimate reason (which it was). Then again, I hate capitalism, so I may not be the best person to describe how it is supposed to work.

What I'm getting at is that Jim did nothing wrong, but it is totally the kind of thing that one should expect to get fired for doing. Because capitalism is an inherently evil system.

My issue is not that he has a different opinion than me, but that he refuses to call out shitty behavior (and it IS shitty, comparing people to terrorists and Nazis is pretty shitty) by people in his own industry. He can certainly do that and not support Gamergate, because there are shitty things going on with both sides of this affair. David Pakman does it, after all, he even says so himself.

Except I think he has? Like, the actual journalistic ethics breeches that have been brought up, he has said that he sees why people find it sketchy and admits that it is at least a grey area (see his original tweet back when this was solely about Zoe Quinn, rather than significantly). I don't follow people on twitter, so I wouldn't know what he's said lately, but I don't think that he is ignoring and insulting his audience as much as you think.

But he hasn't. Jim even plugs Leigh Alexander's article (you know, the thing that threw a propane cylinder on top of this fire?) in one of his videos, and that was the last straw.

A friend of his made a rather poorly worded but largely agreeable article and he plugged it. Shocker.

I'm sorry, I just cannot see why people care so much about those articles. I mean, yeah, it's accusations wind up being far too broad, but that's what's gonna push us all over the edge? You have to read a lot into it to see that, and it really comes down to Leigh writing a shit article, not a heinous one.

I just want to be left alone to play video games without people telling me that I'm a horrible person for doing so.

Good, because usually it's the game they're calling horrible, or perhaps some poorly worded generalization that people take way too personally for folks who then go to call Zoe a professional victim. And Jim himself has never taken that kind of stance. Not that I can remember at least.

Jim is going somewhere I don't have to listen to him, so I'm going to thank him for the good things he did have to say and wish him the best of luck in his current endeavors.

But my opinion of him as a consumer advocate will forever be damaged by this affair.

Then you really need to re-evaluate what makes someone a consumer advocate. If this one non-controversy has become the wedge that divides the good from the bad for you, I've got news for you, there are plenty of corporate shills and fucked up bastards on both sides, and Jim is neither of those. He is, and has always been, a consumer advocate to the core, just as Total Biscuit is still a great benefit to the games industry who bring wonderful word of mouth for underappreciated games even if he is currently slightly adding to the stresses of some indie devs. Stop making a target out of him and I bet you'll see it again.

Revnak:

And what "deplorable behavior?" Not supporting gamergate? Not answering every conspiratorial question thrown at him? Not throwing every friend he has under the bus for such a worthless cause as gamergate?

Stop. You are getting pissed off at one of the better voices in the industry because he isn't toeing your line. As a progressive, I get pissed when my kind do this (you'll never see me calling for Kojima's head, despite his flaws), so don't even try and reverse this on me either. Let him continue being one of the biggest consumer advocates out there in regards to literally every subject other than the ones gamergate is currently overblowing.

Jim is in no way a fucking "consumer advocate" jesus fuck, when the media itself is blacklisting people and giving press to their fucking buddies without transparency and we have proof of all of this. But all he does is sit back and go "meh" and ignores it all because it involves his damn friends. When there is actual god damn corruption and not a business acting like a fucking business no matter how scummy it's, he just ignores it.

He's in the same stupid group of "Progressives" who think they're still fighting the "MAN" that all powerful imaginary "MAN" that when corruption happens on a level that isn't the "MAN" it's nothing and should be ignored. The "MAN" targetting the smaller person is just as easy as the small people targeting the "MAN" and when both screw up, both should be investigated and reprimanded. Nobody should be given a special shield protecting them.

So no I say don't "Thank God" for Jim when Jim is a full blown hypocrite.

EDIT: btw Capitalism is neither good nor bad, it's neutral it's the people not the system.

Of course he's moving on. He's Jim "Fucking" Sterling, son! You can't expect that much rage and talent to stay in one place.

Thanks for the opinions, ideas and entertainment.

And of course, thank God for you...son.

Just don't replace him with Smosh Games (Like you did for Lisa before she came back and did her Top 5 again) and we'll be alright, 'Pist overlords.

Well, there goes one of the biggest reasons for why I come to this site. Now all I have left are the forum games and the occasionally interesting thing from Yahtzee (sorry, I just don't find his actual reviews all that funny or interesting anymore -Extra Punctuation can be good though).

LifeCharacter:
SNIP

This is my first post back here in a very long time (ditched the forums after they got swamped in GamerGate bullshit), but I just want to say that seeing how your avatar has evolved since then genuinely made me laugh out loud.

Between all the things the escapist has lost, they could have been running a nigh-unstoppable community/movement in gaming culture. I came here 5 or so years back from the forums on GameFAQ's and immediately fell in love with the site. It seemed to be a true gamer refuge, we were able to speak our minds without fear of needless powertrips and censorship. And discuss adult issues. However, over the years, I've noticed a steady decline in the quality of this site. The stories posted are nearly 100% of the time riddled with grammar and other errors, as though nobody actually reviews the piece before it's posted. Then there was that whole thing where they quit paying people, losing good content, one after another... The empire is crumbling.

but why? If the narrative I'm gathering about the schism between Jim and the escapist's upper management is to be believed (and other things seem to point to that same conclusion), then I think the escapist missed the whole point of WHY the site was good. If the fear is NOT pissing off publishers who then dont advertise with you, fuck em! Stick to your guns, advocate for the community and be the lone voice of reason in this shitshow called game journalism right now. That will bring in the gaming masses, and the advertisers, caring only about the bottom line, will eventually show back up because your demographic and audience is too valuable to NOT shill shit to.

that's called having your cake and eating it too.

when yahtzee (inevitably) joins Jim in whatever gamer utopia site they start, I can't honestly say I'll be coming back here. I love(d?) the escapist, but it dying of corporate cancer.

MarsAtlas:

ThreeName:
No, not him being blacklisted, him being a part of the blacklisting of someone else. I honestly couldn't be arsed following it up, but you seem to have been reading a few comments on this thread too so I'm surprised you haven't noticed it. Apparently the fellow's name is "Allistar Pinsoff" if you feel inclined to look into it.

Oh, I know about that. He whistleblew the misuse of a Kickstarter in a way that was out of order in quite a few ways and put reporting the story ahead of, you know, journalistic ethics, such as questioning the repercussions of reporting on the story. Unwillingness to associate with him professionally because of that isn't exactly as heinous as many are making it out to be.

From the looks of what I dug up, it sounded like Jim actually had nothing to do with what all happened in that situation, he just worked with Destructoid at the time, and that's really it, so even those are false accusations.

Wow. Yeah I pretty much have little reason to come any more. I followed Yahtzee here years ago and both him and Jim have been my only reason to stick around. What is happening... Well never mind.

God bless Jim MFing Sterling, son.

The Escapist needs to do something with Movie Bob. Guys a hack and has some terrible reviews. Plus with Jim gone there's almost nothing left in the features that's about gaming and way too much of Movie Bob's movie and cable show reviews.

Well, that's a shame for The Escapist.

Personally? I used to like his stuff, but, fell out of interest and as of late, he just appeared very anti-consumer and basically having disdain and saying pretty offensive stuff towards his audience.

He seemed very different to what I remember enjoying about his content. Instead now, he's seemingly more content to engage in acts of hypocrisy and associate himself with extremists.

Something I'm simply not interested in.

So, I can't say I'm too phased by him leaving.

As for his reasons? Well, I don't know if they're true. But, if he's leaving entire due to Gamergate, that's really quite pathetic, especially given how many people here aren't interested in the matter. However, I doubt Gamergate is that much of an issue in this situation.

There were only two reasons I came to this site, and one of them is now gone. If you get rid of, or lose the other...then I'm gone too.

Brutal. I hope he keeps doing stuff, and I can find it. Too few people have the courage to say what he says.

holy nuts he's almost at $6,000 a month now..

martyrdrebel27:
that's called having your cake and eating it too.

You know, Activision started as a refuge for mistreated developers and Electronic Arts started out being very optimistic of making creative and artistic games that pushed the boundaries. Look at them today. Simply put, having money changes things.

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