Bungie's Banhammer Hits Destiny Players Using Modded Consoles

 Pages 1 2 NEXT
 

Bungie's Banhammer Hits Destiny Players Using Modded Consoles

02

Destiny developer Bungie banned several players last week for logging into the game on a modded console.

Bungie will ban anyone playing Destiny on a modded console, the developer said in its latest weekly update. This announcement comes after a week of swift bans.

"We routinely review Banhammer actions to ensure that they are applied accurately and fairly," Bungie stated. "A review of the bans applied over the last week shows that all of the affected accounts had logged into Destiny on a modified console at some point."

Bungie recommends all players "play nice" and "use the boxes that your favorite retailer 'gave' you."

People can play Destiny on PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, and Xbox One. Videos on YouTube instruct those interested how to apply cheats and mods to their consoles for Destiny, and while Bungie does not note whether it caught people using cheats, instructions for cheats have spread online. Because Destiny is a multiplayer game, mods aren't always so harmless.

The weekly update also addresses bugs that popped up. Some PS4 users found Destiny reverted to Trial mode, and Xbox One users had to re-download a patch every time they went to play the game. Bungie said the PS4 issue should be fixed, and Xbox One players should use a wired connection when patching, clearing the cache, or uninstall and reinstall the game. The latest The Dark Below expansion also caused some problems addressed here for PlayStation and here for people unable to unlock retail purchases on Xbox.

Destiny launched September 9. The Dark Below expansion became available December 9.

Source: Bungie

Permalink

Why play a game if you cheat in it? I remember using a Gameshark to get a "Super Jump" ability in Sonic the Hedgehog on Genesis. It was great as you could basically jump over entire levels. That was until the water level where the cheat also made Sonic bob up and down in the water like he was a float. You literally couldn't beat the game if you cheated like that. Haven't used any such cheat since that time.

That doesn't count ingame cheats that just make the game fun or slightly easier, like Big Head Mode or infinite magic.

Saltyk:
Why play a game if you cheat in it? ... Haven't used any such cheat since that time.

That doesn't count ingame cheats that just make the game fun or slightly easier, like Big Head Mode or infinite magic.

So you don't cheat, except when you do, but they don't count because the dev used them when making and testing the game?

Cheating on single player, just cheats yourself, cheating in multi-player is much worse, but it makes no difference how it's applied, using a Development cheat is still a cheat.

When did anyone say they cheated?

They used a modded Console for playing ripped of games or to use Windows on it.
This is far more probable then cheating.

Yeah there my be cheaters among them but who knows?
Just to fuck up your customers cause they use modded consoles is cheap.

Single-player cheating is fun and amusing, a good way to screw around harmlessly.

Online cheating is sad and pathetic.

One time I cheated to get all the key items needed to get legendary Pokemon in my copy of Pearl.

Didn't feel bad, fuck Nintendo for making it so I can't just go catch them. Have to go to NY at a specific time and date and know a secret code you can only learn yhrough a secret decoder ring you can only get if you win some tourney.

Wait how does Bungie know if you are using a modded console but MS doesn't? Don't they still ban you for close to forever if caught using a modded console?

Uhuru N'Uru:

Saltyk:
Why play a game if you cheat in it? ... Haven't used any such cheat since that time.

That doesn't count ingame cheats that just make the game fun or slightly easier, like Big Head Mode or infinite magic.

So you don't cheat, except when you do, but they don't count because the dev used them when making and testing the game?

Cheating on single player, just cheats yourself, cheating in multi-player is much worse, but it makes no difference how it's applied, using a Development cheat is still a cheat.

You misunderstand. If you use the Konami code to get extra lives in Contra, that was intentional to give players a better shot at beating the game. If you play a game that lets you toggle on/off Big Head mode, that's just fun. If you use a costume in God of War that has the bonus effect of infinite magic, that's something that was done within the game to let the player have fun with the game.

I used the Super Jump example as it literally made it so I couldn't beat the game. Plus, it was just cheap and took the fun out of levels when I was jumping over whole sections of Marble Zone, ignoring all the traps and enemies within the temple.

However, modding your console or using an aimbot to give yourself an edge against other players is not even close to the same thing. There's also a world of different between that and using a Damage Calculator in a MMO (really helps you keep track of how well or poorly you and others are doing and adjust that to do better) or using the Hardcore Mod for the PC version of FFVII.

Saltyk:
Why play a game if you cheat in it?

That doesn't count ingame cheats that just make the game fun or slightly easier, like Big Head Mode or infinite magic.

Because external cheats can be fun, too. That doesn't excuse cheating in MP games, it doesn't excuse cheating to gain a competitive edge, but cheats can be fun. Action Replays and Game Genies used to be awesome for that reason.

balberoy:

They used a modded Console for playing ripped of games or to use Windows on it.
This is far more probable then cheating.

I'd like to see the numbers you used to determine that probability. However, given the number of people that have been caught online using modded consoles to cheat in popular online games, I'm going to guess cheating is an issue. I';m not sure if it's more or less an issue than playing burned discs, but then, I don't have a data set to tell me. Do you?

People are all like "why are they cheating?"

No one said they were cheating, they were simply logged in with a modded console at some point. People mod their consoles for a number of reasons. Yes, sometimes to cheat or play pirated games. But that is far from universal. Generalizations are annoying, especially when people infer things that were never stated.

I understand their point of course. Level playing field. But I feel for those people who may have logged onto a buddies modded console to show them something or just in passing while they were hanging out.

Mr. Torgue:
"NEW MISSION! I want you to blow up... THE OCEAN!"

No seriously. Why play Destiny when you can Play Borderlands?

Oh great, Bungie is once again doing MS, and now Sony's, dirty work. They're not even first party now.

Bungie recommends all players to "play nice" and "use the boxes that your favorite retailer 'gave' you."

Uh, two points here: A) Bungie has dealt with online console players for 10 years. Asking them to "play nice" is like asking an ancient warlord to not burn your village to the ground or subjugate it into his empire. B) Retailers were giving away PS4s and Xboxes? Why didn't anyone tell me? Seriously though, Bungie, many of us busted our own asses at work to buy those boxes. Never say a multi-billion dollar company "gave" us anything ever again. (I'm beginning to think they really believe in that cult stuff their fan club spews out.)

Hairless Mammoth:
Oh great, Bungie is once again doing MS, and now Sony's, dirty work. They're not even first party now.

Bungie recommends all players to "play nice" and "use the boxes that your favorite retailer 'gave' you."

Uh, two points here: A) Bungie has dealt with online console players for 10 years. Asking them to "play nice" is like asking an ancient warlord to not burn your village to the ground or subjugate it into his empire. B) Retailers were giving away PS4s and Xboxes? Why didn't anyone tell me? Seriously though, Bungie, many of us busted our own asses at work to buy those boxes. Never say a multi-billion dollar company "gave" us anything ever again. (I'm beginning to think they really believe in that cult stuff their fan club spews out.)

They gave you the console in exchange for a few hundred dollars. Just because you paid for it doesn't mean they didn't give it to you.

smithy_2045:
They gave you the console in exchange for a few hundred dollars. Just because you paid for it doesn't mean they didn't give it to you.

They're being patronizing to their entire customer base again. Otherwise, the quotes wouldn't be there even on their own site. That's telling me they are using the "to present voluntarily and without expecting compensation" definition of "gave". The other definition would have them saying "use the boxes that you gave $400 to your favorite retailer to get" or something similar.

Bungie We stopped making halo and now make a game worst then halo and can't chase our fans away fast enough. Hey look a new Bioware.

Wasn't there an episode in one of the .hack anime about player avatars being executed for modding their characters? I seem to remember one of them having done nothing more than change their eye color...

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there also 'legitimate' instances of modding consoles, such as running homebrews or custom OS/software?

I understand in the US at least everything that circumvents access control is deemed illegal under DMCA but it still sucks that people can be banned for potentially (morally at least) legitimate uses of modding.

People have every right to mod their console all they want, once your purchase the device you can install whatever chips you want into it. Bungie of all companies has no right to issue bans for having modded consoles. If they were using pirated games that'd be another matter, but if it's only for the console being modified they should remove the ban immediately.

If this ban makes the user's game unplayable I'd like to see those effected sue the company as they've taken away a game they paid for without cause.

RicoADF:
People have every right to mod their console all they want, once your purchase the device you can install whatever chips you want into it. Bungie of all companies has no right to issue bans for having modded consoles. If they were using pirated games that'd be another matter, but if it's only for the console being modified they should remove the ban immediately.

If this ban makes the user's game unplayable I'd like to see those effected sue the company as they've taken away a game they paid for without cause.

My thoughts exactly. Bungie is acting like mob enforcers for MS so that the console is used in the best way possible for MS to monetize it after purchase at the cost to the consumers rights for that product. This is despicable and makes me even more happy that I haven't wasted my money on either product.

Scorpid:

RicoADF:
People have every right to mod their console all they want, once your purchase the device you can install whatever chips you want into it. Bungie of all companies has no right to issue bans for having modded consoles. If they were using pirated games that'd be another matter, but if it's only for the console being modified they should remove the ban immediately.

If this ban makes the user's game unplayable I'd like to see those effected sue the company as they've taken away a game they paid for without cause.

My thoughts exactly. Bungie is acting like mob enforcers for MS so that the console is used in the best way possible for MS to monetize it after purchase at the cost to the consumers rights for that product. This is despicable and makes me even more happy that I haven't wasted my money on either product.

The ability to modify a console does not also convey the right to access a proprietary network using modified hardware. Mod all day long - just don't expect to be given the keys to the kingdom too.

Here's a real world example: I can choose to wear anything I want to work, but if there is a dress code and I'm not within it, I can also be sent home to change/denied access to the building/etc. I've done nothing illegal, but I also can't go to work that day.

Just because you can do something does not mean that there are no consequences for it.

Edit: Typo

yamy:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there also 'legitimate' instances of modding consoles, such as running homebrews or custom OS/software?

I understand in the US at least everything that circumvents access control is deemed illegal under DMCA but it still sucks that people can be banned for potentially (morally at least) legitimate uses of modding.

Well, Sony, MS and Nintendo will whine in court until the heat death of the universe that any mod will open a floodgate of piracy. The underlining thing they don't talk about is they want to be able to use every internet connected console as another conduit to pump ads into your home.

From this US citizen's perspective, the DMCA is a anti-consumer monster that needs to be repealed, and a new law that doesn't turn everyone beyond the basic user into a criminal but addresses legitimate copyright concerns needs to be made. To bad Congress is full of people from both parties that are in the pockets of major media companies and, no matter what party the president is, it's a coin toss whether he vetoes any bill about copyright/patents that comes his way.

RicoADF:
If this ban makes the user's game unplayable I'd like to see those effected sue the company as they've taken away a game they paid for without cause.

I'd bet the terms of service state something about them being able to ban people for certain behavior, so it would be an uphill battle. Some jurisdictions might say the banned customers can get the full purchase price or a portion of it back.

Plus, the DMCA will rear its ulgy head at anyone in US trying to fight. The only good victory we really had against it the the legality of jailbreaking iCrap. But, I'd love for a case to finally decide whether these EULAs in the US are the jokes that they should be or if consumers here are really pawns to megacorps.

Rornicus:

Scorpid:

RicoADF:
People have every right to mod their console all they want, once your purchase the device you can install whatever chips you want into it. Bungie of all companies has no right to issue bans for having modded consoles. If they were using pirated games that'd be another matter, but if it's only for the console being modified they should remove the ban immediately.

If this ban makes the user's game unplayable I'd like to see those effected sue the company as they've taken away a game they paid for without cause.

My thoughts exactly. Bungie is acting like mob enforcers for MS so that the console is used in the best way possible for MS to monetize it after purchase at the cost to the consumers rights for that product. This is despicable and makes me even more happy that I haven't wasted my money on either product.

The ability to modify a console does not also convey the right to access a proprietary network using modified hardware. Mod all day long - just don't expect to be given the keys to the kingdom too.

Here's a real world example: I can choose to wear anything I want to work, but if there is a dress code and I'm not within it, I can also be sent home to change/denied access to the building/etc. I've done nothing illegal, but I also can't go to work that day.

Just because you can do something does not mean that there are no consequences for it.

Edit: Typo

No this would be more like going to a theme park and being disallowed to enter because of dress. However once they take your money you are required to either not take their money or return it unless they have done something illegal or disruptive to other. Like talking in a movie theater even then most will return the money to avoid hassle later. They have taken people money and now refuse to do what was the agreed on transaction.

Hairless Mammoth:
I'd bet the terms of service state something about them being able to ban people for certain behavior, so it would be an uphill battle. Some jurisdictions might say the banned customers can get the full purchase price or a portion of it back.

Plus, the DMCA will rear its ulgy head at anyone in US trying to fight. The only good victory we really had against it the the legality of jailbreaking iCrap. But, I'd love for a case to finally decide whether these EULAs in the US are the jokes that they should be or if consumers here are really pawns to megacorps.

Well in the EU and here in Australia EULA's are irrelevant, I would suspect that the user would easily hit them with the department of fair trading laws on refunds at the very least. We've paid for the service and if the bans are for just modifying consoles then they have no legal right to ban the user especially since the console isn't even Bungie's.

I agree the US seriously needs to join the rest of us regarding consumer law.

What a bunch of assholes.

RicoADF:
I agree the US seriously needs to join the rest of us regarding consumer law.

EULAs DON'T hold up in US court most often because they are too far reaching. A game company can make up anything it wants, doesn't mean it's law. They just bank on most consumers not having the money to fight it.

Nurb:

EULAs DON'T hold up in US court most often because they are too far reaching. A game company can make up anything it wants, doesn't mean it's law. They just bank on most consumers not having the money to fight it.

The problem is that they need to spend the money taking it to court to challenge it, rather than what we have where there's a department which will do it on our behalf. Guess the real issue is there's no such department then perhaps?

You certainly have the right to mod your console. The company that runs whatever network you connect to also makes the rules of how you connect to that network, its a privilege not a right. Therefore you don't have the "right" to use a modded console on PSN or XBL if Sony and Microsoft say they don't want you to do so.
If Bungie decides they don't want you playing on their servers on a modded console, they also have that right. They run the servers, they run the game. Its their rules in the end, whether you like that or not. Its not a legality issue, its their security policy.
Beyond that no one has a dog in the fight, you can complain but it won't change anything.
And regarding the whole "but people use different O/S on their console" argument isn't valid. Also I'd hazard a guess more people mod their consoles to play burned ISOs than people who use different O/S's so... well sorry thats that.

IceStar100:

Rornicus:

Scorpid:

My thoughts exactly. Bungie is acting like mob enforcers for MS so that the console is used in the best way possible for MS to monetize it after purchase at the cost to the consumers rights for that product. This is despicable and makes me even more happy that I haven't wasted my money on either product.

The ability to modify a console does not also convey the right to access a proprietary network using modified hardware. Mod all day long - just don't expect to be given the keys to the kingdom too.

Here's a real world example: I can choose to wear anything I want to work, but if there is a dress code and I'm not within it, I can also be sent home to change/denied access to the building/etc. I've done nothing illegal, but I also can't go to work that day.

Just because you can do something does not mean that there are no consequences for it.

Edit: Typo

No this would be more like going to a theme park and being disallowed to enter because of dress. However once they take your money you are required to either not take their money or return it unless they have done something illegal or disruptive to other. Like talking in a movie theater even then most will return the money to avoid hassle later. They have taken people money and now refuse to do what was the agreed on transaction.

Your example only works if you buy the building and own the building and they guy you bought it from comes back says that you can't repaint the walls or move the chairs or change the light bulbs are install any new feature into the building he didn't sell it to you with. The article didn't establish if the modified consoles had anything to do with bungie or networking just that the consoles had been modified. And since we're dealing with corporations you can safely assume they fucked consumer rights in the process.

Oh look, the new gen of consoles is sooo powerful, better than PC! But don't you dare touch it in any way like you would any PC, because that's tampering, and we will beat you to death with a stale baguette for that.
Ain't progress grand?

It's these kinds of things that always make you a little nostalgic for the old days. As much as I don't miss cheating in games like counter strike, I sort of always had this feeling that the overlords at various companies stepping in would do more harm then good.

At least when people cheated way back when it pushed me to want to learn more about how to combat cheating, how to use server tools better, it got me to make friends with people that I shared servers with, and I'm not going to lie back and forth server wars had their fun points too.

Having a big corporation wield its banhammer to kick out people who may not even be cheating in their game is a bit of an over reach at least in my opinion.

Imperioratorex Caprae:
You certainly have the right to mod your console. The company that runs whatever network you connect to also makes the rules of how you connect to that network, its a privilege not a right. Therefore you don't have the "right" to use a modded console on PSN or XBL if Sony and Microsoft say they don't want you to do so.

Thanks for saying this, I'm surprised there are so many people defending the process. If you want to mod your console and run Linux or whatever, great, but then once the chips has been replaced there is no way for Sony/MS/Bungie to guarantee to other players that you aren't cheating when you play multi-player games. Insisting on virgin boxes (oo-er missues obviously) is perfectly reasonable. Yes, it also has the additional advantage for the companies that it allows them to police pirate games, but I don't see why that's a bad thing.

Sure if you are a legit player who also wants to run an OS on the box at the alternate times it kind of sucks, but then the policies on this kind of thing are fairly clear from the outset and there are good reasons for it. I'd be interesting in knowing whether it is technically feasible for a console to have a 'modded'/'unmodded' switch; that is to say a mode where anything can be run and a mode where the data is locked down and guaranteed to run as specified by MS/Sony (and hence cheat-proof). It seems you could do this by having an encryption key on the unmodded side and all programs and save files encrypted and kept completely walled off from the modded side. Anyway feasible or not, its unlikely that either company would put the effort in.

Scorpid:

Your example only works if you buy the building and own the building and they guy you bought it from comes back says that you can't repaint the walls or move the chairs or change the light bulbs are install any new feature into the building he didn't sell it to you with. The article didn't establish if the modified consoles had anything to do with bungie or networking just that the consoles had been modified. And since we're dealing with corporations you can safely assume they fucked consumer rights in the process.

I think you missed the point here. You bought a console. You modded it. That's fine, all is happy and fun. You're playing your burned games; playing around with linux on an xbox, whatever.

But then you then tried to access a proprietary network/server, where one of the policies is that you can't have a modded console. Regardless of if you have paid for the ability (not right) to access said network/server, if you aren't within the policies of access to that network/server, you might not be able to get in.

Bungie didn't ban people from XBL/PSN. They banned access to THEIR servers from consoles they deemed outside of the access policies.

To use your example again - you bought a house with a well, refit all the plumbing to how you want it, but are upset when the county won't let you hook you up to the water main for any number of reasons - incompatibility, you installed a pump to send stuff back into the mains, whatever.

Again - your actions have consequences. Just because you don't like those consequences doesn't mean they are unjust.

I'm laughing at so many of these comments. I find them too amusing.

I'm not sure of the terminology being used here. Under what specifics is Bungie using to register 'modded'? Is it messing with things to get advantages in games, or what? Is it any change from the product line interior bits? Hell, I dunno, so I can't really say if it's good or bad.

But, if it inconvenienced someone trying to cheat. Yay.

Someone who wasnt? Boo.

I don't know how owners of modded consoles expect anything different. It's their networks, why should they have to allow pirating or cheats or any of that garbage?

You bought your console, great. Modify it all you want. Put in new chips, new hardware, slap on rad decals, strap a fire extinguisher to it on a rolling office chair and call it "gaming-on-the-go," it's your friggin console. You didn't buy the network, idiot. They warned you, and they'll ban you from it if they want to.

Just because they can does not mean it is "fair" or "benelovent".

They sell you a game.
You buy this game.
They have the servers you play on.
You mod the console (for whatever reason).
They don't allow you to play.

Really, because you could cheat? Honestly what they are doing is screwing over customers.

Are you at this very moment sitting at a table with a computer an typing?
Then you Sir have to be a cheater, so we ban you on all games.
Only when you play on a console you are allowed to play any multiplayer game!
This is what we, Activision, god of all game companies, tell you.
Abide or be damned (banned).

This has to be coming from MS or Sony. Really you can't log in with a pirated game to play online games.
Cheating should not be possible if the game was programmed with any knowledge of cheaters or cheating software.

But it is Bungie, probably they know jack shit about cheating and haven't built in any anti-cheat software.
Shooting with cannons on ducks.

That's a bit much. Unless you can find some player reports that they actually are cheating, you shouldn't ban someone who probably gave you money for doing what they want with their property.

If they say what kind of modifications would result in a ban, I'll listen and change my opinion based on that. Until then this seems like a blanket ban that fucks with pirates and cheaters, but also with people who just like to tinker.

Finally, it's not like being locked out of Destiny is that bad. I don't need a humorless Borderlands in my life anyway, not that I'm liable to get it anyway on account of only gaming on PC these days.

 Pages 1 2 NEXT

Reply to Thread

Log in or Register to Comment
Have an account? Login below:
With Facebook:Login With Facebook
or
Username:  
Password:  
  
Not registered? To sign up for an account with The Escapist:
Register With Facebook
Register With Facebook
or
Register for a free account here