New Overwatch Hero Is a Response to Body-Type Diversity Criticism

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Given the way some of the discussion of the design has been, I figured I'd point out that the characters appearance seems to be heavily based on one of Blizzard's 3D Character Artists. Tamara Bakhlycheva specifically, who's been around for awhile and has been known to do a decent amount of Cosplay. She also did work on the Sylvanas Ranger skin, which recently came under attack by a few people for being too sexy and a step-back compared to Zarya's announcement.


Captcha: dogs and cats living together. I'm sure if I stretched, this could be somehow relevant, but really I just wonder why cats and dogs living together is seen as so strange.

*edit* Appear to have screwed up the images. Fixing.

erttheking:

Joseph Hutzulak:

erttheking:

You said that they literally used Tumblr as a storyboard. Is having pop culture references and whatever the hell people deem to be "SJW" narrative aspects (Is having a gay character SJW? I don't know because that term has lost all meaning and just means "person who I disagree with") literally using Tumblr as a storyboard? And even then I ask once again. Tumblr the way it actually is or Tumblr the way the internet has a tendency to stereotype it?

Have you played Borderlands 2? In a DLC you run down and kill a guy for calling a women a derogatory term, and at another point Lilith has a rants about being picked on for like "nerd culture" the whole thing was beyond painful. Have you played those games?

We killed a guy for being a sexist douchebag. And this is a problem how? I thought it was well established that all the characters in Borderlands 2 were psychopaths. They kill 95% of the people they come across. They kill Hyperion employees just doing their job. They kill a crystal creature that was just guarding the tomb of its friend. They kill a crazy person who just told them to shoot him in the face. They help a thirteen year old girl torture someone to death. Brick flat out says he kills his own men "because they're stupid" and he encourages the player to do the same. But killing a sexist guy is apparently crossing the line? Should sexist douchebags be given amnesty from bullets?

Also, that came out in a DLC that featured a lot about video games and online culture. In one area you get someone to rage quit by teabagging them. I don't see how pointing out the bullshit of fake gamer girls (which was alive and well at the time) makes someone an SJW. Especially when it was done in a way that made the main female character look like a jerk and made the muscular macho man out to be the sympathetic victim. Not very SJWish.

Also, you're dodging my questions. Are we talking about the actual Tumblr or the sterotyped Tumblr

The sexist part...

Is it a parody? Or a belief disguised as parody? Hmm...

It certainlly was art for giving the players different interpratations for the same situation.

Answer: Stereotyped tumblr. The same way there is anonymous and stereotyped anonymous (known simply as anonymous). There is a lot going on these places, but shit still stinks a flower field and cycadas still make a forest noisy.

Y'know, this thread is actually a pretty good argument for diversity in games. Apparently, there are a significant number of gamers who don't know what a well-muscled woman looks like.

Grampy_bone:
Is there anyone, man or woman, who honestly feels this is an attractive character?

Yo! Posted, like, 10 hours ago:

theNater:
I think Zarya is hot. I like a woman with some heft to her. Zarya is such a breath of fresh air compared to the half-clothed twigs that we see over and over and over. I'd much rather date her than Widowmaker.

Grahav:

Colour Scientist:
Oh my God, did someone legitimately just say "SJW hair?"

That's fucking hilarious.

So, do Lilith and Maya have "SJW hair?"XD

Fucking SJW hair.

My bad. My bad. I should have said tumblr hair.

In comparison to the other characters is like a neon board on the top of her head.

And? I dunno, I guess I just don't find brightly colored hair on women all that amazing. I mean, I like it on them, a lot, I find it really refreshing to see the cheerful colors that some women do their hair up in. But having it be a sticking point on the character design? So what? There are plenty of women in the world with brightly colored hair, even more so in video games and anime. So yeah, I don't really see what the issue is with her having purple hair. *shrugs* I guess I've just been to so many raves over the years, that women with rainbow colored hair doesn't make me bat an eyelash about her as a person. It makes me check her out, because I find the look fascinating, but that's it.

I like how Blizzard deals with this.

"Someone wants something. Well, let's develop a new character for their demand. Don't change something about the old. Thank you for the input, keep it coming."

the silence:
I like how Blizzard deals with this.

"Someone wants something. Well, let's develop a new character for their demand. Don't change something about the old. Thank you for the input, keep it coming."

Well the old characters are pretty good actually. It's just there's not a lot of variety to them.

Happyninja42:

Grahav:

Colour Scientist:
Oh my God, did someone legitimately just say "SJW hair?"

That's fucking hilarious.

So, do Lilith and Maya have "SJW hair?"XD

Fucking SJW hair.

My bad. My bad. I should have said tumblr hair.

In comparison to the other characters is like a neon board on the top of her head.

And? I dunno, I guess I just don't find brightly colored hair on women all that amazing. I mean, I like it on them, a lot, I find it really refreshing to see the cheerful colors that some women do their hair up in. But having it be a sticking point on the character design? So what? There are plenty of women in the world with brightly colored hair, even more so in video games and anime. So yeah, I don't really see what the issue is with her having purple hair. *shrugs* I guess I've just been to so many raves over the years, that women with rainbow colored hair doesn't make me bat an eyelash about her as a person. It makes me check her out, because I find the look fascinating, but that's it.

I also used to have nothing against the neon colors. But, well, a comparison: Hats are cool. Film noir hats are super cool, some people who use fedoras are cool but some are not and the mind has a way to accentuate the negative. I see a fedora I hear "m'lady".

The neon colors used to be very cool to me. But now I associate it with SJW and attention whoring. You may say that I am exagerating but look, the character done "for diversity" (a constant SJW nag) has that hair as a distinction.

Ambrosia, Unreal Tournament 2004
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Lucy, Quake 3 Arena 1999
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MEH

Vivi22:

Teepop:
I never made out that it is only female behaviour. Remember this topic is about female characters. The news story specifically mentions it. That is why I was referring to female players.

I am sure male players prefer traditional/stereotypical portrayals of attractiveness too. I talked about female characters because *that is what the news story was about*. That's the topic we are discussing.

However I believe that males have slightly different ideas of what constitutes attractive or cool in that a big muscle-bound orc is considered as attractive as a muscle-bound human male even though the former is "ugly". I mean I'm guessing here but I think males will favour traditionally desirable male traits such as strength, dominance, power, agility or general badassery over pure "beauty". This will lead to some deviation from the females choices.

Also in my experience the casual guilds have a higher percentage of female players than the hardcore raiding guilds so racial perks probably have more sway over male race choices. This no doubt leads to a more even racial choice spread for males.

I'd expect males to favour Human/NE/Belf too, but I'd expect female racial choices to be massively more skewed in favour of those races versus males.

E.g. you mention 38% of all players, I bet you for females it is close to double that. As I say I bet that Humans, NE, Belf and Draenai (I forgot them) account for almost all female player choices and those would be followed by Gnomes and Dwarves/Pandas.

I bet Undead for example are fairly well represented by males but extremely rare choices for female players.

Anyway there is no point debating over guesses and assumptions, I am calling on Blizzard to back up their statement by publishing the statistics that they most definitely hold.

At any time they can prove that there is genuine demand for diversity and that they are not just trying to get cheap headlines/publicity by exploiting the conflict between these two tiny but vocal pressure groups. My opinion is that they are exploiting (or being bullied by) the publicity over these pressure groups and that their own figures for female players categorically conflicts with their statement.

Blizzard can disprove my assertion any sweet time they like....

Why the hell do you even care? No seriously?

Even if you were right that most players want to play as female characters who meet some arbitrary standard of physical attractiveness (and I don't buy it until you can provide evidence to back up that assertion), exactly how does giving players more options interfere with that? Want to make a stereotypical female game character with a non-existent waist and huge tits and ass in a game like WoW? This isn't stopping you so there's no actual problem there. Want to play as such a character in the very game being discussed in this thread? Well there's no shortage there either.

It's rare that people get this worked up over something that literally doesn't impact the thing they say most people want so my only conclusion is that you feel somehow slighted or threatened by this in some way. Otherwise such a non-issue wouldn't bother you since it has no real impact on the games you play. And it's frankly quite sad that you care so much about things not changing.

1, I care because I would not be happy if people were self appointing themselves as my representative without my consent and misrepresenting my views and those of my friends and fellow players in the press. By the way I am under no obligation to explain why I do or do not care. My motives do not make my challenge of Blizzards statement any more or less valid. They made a statement and should be prepared to support it regardless of why it is being queried. If they can't support a statement they shouldn't make it. That said I have no objections to explaining why I care and have done so above out of courtesy.

2, It goes without saying that anyone posting on a topic will naturally "care" about it. Otherwise they would be down the pub instead! Indeed given the flustered tone of your post it appears that you care about it too. So we both care about it.

3, Blizzard made an assertion. This entire news story was about Blizzards assertion in relation to what they claim players want. I have called them out on that assertion and the onus is on them to back it up. They made a claim, they hold the statistics to prove the claim. Rather than being rude and saying "you are wrong end of story" I have instead tried to politely explain why I feel the need to query their statement and ask for the evidence. That does not shift the onus on to me to disprove their claim. The onus is still on them. I just did the courtesy of explaining why I was making the query. I was under no obligation to do so.

4, Please don't use strawmen fallacies. I specifically stated that I have no issue with having more options so please don't misrepresent my statements and attempt to falsely imply otherwise. Please read my posts properly instead of skimming over them and automatically assuming that I am your ideological enemy. I am not. I have no objection to seeing more choice. I am specifically calling out Blizzard on a statement that they made in which I believe they misrepresented their player base for cheap publicity. I am not having a discussion/argument with you, Blizzard or anyone about whether more choice is a good thing. It is obviously a "good thing"

I am only discussing the accuracy of Blizzards assertion that players have been demanding diversity in body types when I believe that Blizzards own internal statistics prove that their players overwhelmingly favour classic depictions of beauty/attractiveness. They have the figures....they can publish them any time to support their statement. In fact it would have added more strength to their statement if they had listed the statistics at the time.

E.g. "Our players, especially female players have been demanding more diversity in body types. This is why when given a choice in games like WoW our statistics show a nice even spread across all the races".

I think I know why they didn't say that and if we are being honest now, I think YOU know why too - because an overwhelming majority of their female player base cluster around a handful of classes that depict stereotypical depictions of beauty and that barely anyone has been requesting diversity away from those depictions.

Rather players would like more options within the sphere of traditional beauty as opposed to more options deviating into what is generally perceived to be less beautiful.

I don't see how putting in a body type just so you can say you have the body type is any different than adding a token black friend. Speaking of which, where's their token black friend?

Now that this can of worms has been opened, I'm wondering how many new characters they'll have to add to the roster in a mad attempt to make everyone happy. I don't see any albinos in the game, why are albinos always left out in the cold? Can we have a Brony character? I want an Inuit with ice powers. Defiantly need a Cherokee, but don't make them look too native american because that would be racist. I'll be counting the number of feathers, and if it goes over my arbitrary 'acceptable' number I'll hashtag you soooooo hard.

Character is fine. However lets now hear complains that this is an unrealistic depiction of the female body like we hear about sexy characters. Most women can't get anywhere close to that without steroids.

Cool character design. Good job, Blizzard. And now, because it seems like this topic requires it. Some angry typing.

ARHGHALBLARGH BLARGBAHRBLAGH SJKWS ABWLKGHABLAGH! AHRGHLAGHFS? AHRLGHALGHABLAGRHGLGHARGHKOTSAJHAKU LAHGFJL!

Lotet:

inmunitas:
Cartoon characters aren't the same as real people. I'm pretty sure most people look to real life human beings as role models, not a collection of pixels on a screen. Looking to cartoon fantasy characters to "feel represented", that's like scraping the bottom of the barrel, must be pretty depressing.

Yeah, it is somewhat depressing that the only fat guy with agency who isn't a bandit, thug, Peter Griffin or some such I can think of is Coop from Megas XLR. Though that's to be expected, fat people are bad and should feel bad so they can become better, normal people. :(

Try Bob from Tekken. He's not even a joke character like Rufus Street Fighter. He's just a kung fu badass who happens to be fat.

Female players demanding more diversity? How DARE these women request more diversity in games! How dare they speak for everyone! Not EVERYONE wants big, large, strong women in games! What about all those many adolescent men out there who like sexy women with slim bodies, as God made them? Where will they ever turn to get that fix now? BLIZZARD is depriving them of this, and it's all the fault of those women and SJWs out there pretending they care about this issue and making the industry worse for us all!

BLIZZARD has proven they have no integrity. How can you, when you just give players the things they ask for rather than sticking to your guns, plugging your ears, and not listening to any feedback whatsoever? Games are artistic visions that are definitely not made for other players to enjoy, or at least not players that aren't young men. It's just frustrating to see a company with a reputation like BLIZZARD's openly admitting that they made a decision based on player feedback and girl gamers requesting diversity. They should never have listened and done whatever they wanted to do. That's their creative right! I mean, sure, you make the industry more diverse, flavorful, and inclusive, but at WHAT COST? ... apart from financial, because expanding their userbase might mean more people give the game a shot.

I mean, look at this disgusting excuse for a character:
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Ugh, it makes me want to puke. Look at that unrealistic body, those oversized muscles, those broad shoulders... Show me a woman who actually looks like that. Women are delicate, fragile creatures, and you'll never find examples of strong women like in real life like this:
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And she's a tough Russian girl? How stereotypical! Don't we have enough of those already? I mean, good grief, I can name practically.... one... one single example of a strong Russian girl in video games (as an entirely optional voice for The Boss in Saints Row, and only if you customize the character to be big and strong). This is just yet another example of a strong, muscular Russian girl stereotype that is infecting videogames. How unoriginal.

This is the equivalent of a token character, like a black best friend in movies. As we all are aware, it is better to pretend that these type of people DON'T EXIST than to even attempt to diversify gaming. Sure, everyone has to start somewhere, but wouldn't it be much better to not start AT ALL? It's as Peter Lefleur said in Dodgeball, "I found that if you have a goal, you might not reach it. But if you don't have one, then you are never disappointed". Just like how Marvel created token black characters that became great characters later on, we should do the total opposite and not accept ANY attempts to be more inclusive to others.

This is a loss for gaming. I can't believe BLIZZARD is forcing me to buy this game and play as this character. Even if I don't want to play as her, I'll still have to see her in the game when someone else DOES want to play as her. And if I don't want to play the game in the first place, I'll still have to skim gaming sites talking about her, forcing me to acknowledge she exists and that, by BLIZZARD's stupid logic, they believe women come in more shapes and sizes than "runway model".

I don't see how anybody could find her attractive, and we know that attractive women are the only women worth playing as anyway. Who could possibly find her appealing? My singular, insular, narrow-minded sensibilities reject anything outside of the typical portrayals, and I can't believe BLIZZARD wouldn't just create a game for me and me alone. I'm outraged, beyond furious, and totally baffled that they would do this, listen to women and others, and alter their perfect, infallible vision to make other people happy. How can I be happy if people that aren't me are happy? What do you mean I should be happy for them?

I think I've said my piece. We can all agree that this is a terrible decision that might impact the future of the industry, causing developers to listen to women and minorities for a change, and this disease might spread to other developers. We're facing the very real crisis of staring at store shelves packed with great games staring strong women, and that's a truly scary thought.

After all, I spoke to a woman once and she said this character is silly and stupid, which affirms that's how all women should feel about this. BLIZZARD is making a huge mistake. Look at this. This is the cost of gaming's integrity. THIS is what happens when women, SJWs, and minorities start getting their way. This is the face of it.
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Isn't it hideous?

The real question is: will they make her OP right out of the box, or will they wait until almost no one chooses to use her?

Grampy_bone:
So "Body diversity" translates to "Make women look like men." More butch dykes in the game plz! Next up we will see demands to have effete, slender, girly-looking men, and the gender swap of fiction will be complete.

I've been saying for awhile, the end result of the 'gender equality' zeitgeist will be gender reversal. I feel like this is a solution guaranteed to upset almost everyone. Is there anyone, man or woman, who honestly feels this is an attractive character? Put aside your social activist mentality for a moment and really look at this situation, and think about what this means.

Under a supposedly pro-woman world view, how can any expression of female sexuality be considered bad?

I think she is an attractive character. I have always liked tall and strong women.

Grampy_bone:

Nonsense. While accepting that there is no accounting for personal tastes, the vast majority of non-Zarya-type women present in any and all entertainment, from now all the way back to the depcitions of sexy cave girls on the cave walls, reveals that men have not as a whole desired women like this.

I am unable to read minds or countermand a person's stated opinion, however I posit that support for this character derives more from one's desire to promote oneself as an "enlightened man," above all other other slobbering cro-magnon fools who want sexy babes with an hourglass figure. Congratulations sir, you have proven yourself my better, in that you claim to get a boner from a she-male looking hulking hosebeast woman. Well done.

Behold, the women of Renaissance art!
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The Wooster:
Cool character design. Good job, Blizzard. And now, because it seems like this topic requires it. Some angry typing.

ARHGHALBLARGH BLARGBAHRBLAGH SJKWS ABWLKGHABLAGH! AHRGHLAGHFS? AHRLGHALGHABLAGRHGLGHARGHKOTSAJHAKU LAHGFJL!

Lotet:

inmunitas:
Cartoon characters aren't the same as real people. I'm pretty sure most people look to real life human beings as role models, not a collection of pixels on a screen. Looking to cartoon fantasy characters to "feel represented", that's like scraping the bottom of the barrel, must be pretty depressing.

Yeah, it is somewhat depressing that the only fat guy with agency who isn't a bandit, thug, Peter Griffin or some such I can think of is Coop from Megas XLR. Though that's to be expected, fat people are bad and should feel bad so they can become better, normal people. :(

Try Bob from Tekken. He's not even a joke character like Rufus Street Fighter. He's just a kung fu badass who happens to be fat.

To be fair to Rufus, since Street Fighter 2 there was fun with stereotypes. Even Japan had Honda who is a mix of Kabuki actor with sumo wrestler who fighted in a bath house. The faces of america (Ken and Guile) were heroic. Rufus was the missing stereotype.

And even still, he is pretty badass. Learned Kung-Fu watching TV (Sharingan?), practiced the moves on China, is one of the world warriors and has a pretty hot girlfriend. Not bad for a joke.

BTW. I am brazilian. My representative is Blanka (guy who turned monster in Amazon). Our general reaction to him? Well...

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You can accuse Capcom and other companies of making light of other countries. But damn it, at least they put said countries on the map, They begin to exist. "Oh, Resident Evil 5, so racist..." "That the kid from Guyana is racist. Well, which other games bothered to go to Africa? Heck, how many times the word "Guyana" was written in Game Forums before? You can criticize the portray, but at least they have balls to write stories in unsafe to "sensitive" topics.

Final words. Not a fan of the character concept or design. But people are happy with her, so she is fine.

As long it is adding, okay. Not replacing.

Grampy_bone:
Congratulations sir, you have proven yourself my better, in that you claim to get a boner from a she-male looking hulking hosebeast woman. Well done.

Called it!

theNater:
I'll probably be mocked for saying this, but I think Zarya is hot.

Didn't expect to also be accused of lying, though. Ah, internet, will you never cease to amaze us with your horribleness?

Anyone ever play Fantasy Star for the game cube? No tokens there! There was a scale body modifier so when you finished with the character you then decided how tall/short fat/skinny by sliding a bar up/down right/left.

I personally think it is a very cool design. My only criticism is that the hair color doesn't seem to mesh well with the rest of the character. I have seen people call it a bit too "Tumblr" and I can see that but I don't think we can properly judge it until we see the characters personality in game. If she turns out to just be a misandry based feminist then I will be the first to straight out call it pandering to the Tumblr crowd. I just hope they will have a recolor without the middle schoolgirl dye job.

HAWT.

I won't be playing Overwatch unless I get it as a gift or all my friends beg me to buy it myself. That said, I like most of the character designs, including Zarya. Not only from a "u need moar duhversateeez" point of view but because I've got a thing for strong women personally. They don't get much representation, even when it's appropriate to the character. Pictures of Tifa always make me think, "SHE's a martial arts badass?? Those soft shoulders look more like a cosplayer!" After so many Barbie dolls I think it's great to see an actual female powerhouse. Even if she does fall straight into another stereotype, namely the huge Russian, we can't criticize too harshly without criticizing all the other characters. An angry dwarf with a hammer and an accent? A talking gorilla? Noboby's ever done THAT before......

Hey look it's Vi with a gun. Seriously. They didn't even change her color scheme. Just beefed her a little bit. Zayra is literally Vi from League of Legends with particle cannon.

" I am heavy weapons gal, and THIS is my weapon. She weighs 150 kilograms and fires condensed plasma beams in 20 continuous streams per minute. It costs *cough* *cough* thousand dollars to fire this gun, for twelve seconds."

OT: I look forward to another FPS game that I will inexplicably play despite being terrible at it.

Ukomba:
I don't see how putting in a body type just so you can say you have the body type is any different than adding a token black friend. Speaking of which, where's their token black friend?

Dude, you can't put a token black person in something wherein violence will be occurring to everyone, everyone knows that they'd just die first. Besides, then Blizzard would have to deal with people saying they're racist because they've put one black character in, which players are encouraged to kill with the overwhelmingly white cast.
ALTERNATIVELY: Winston is the closest we'll get to a black character, because racist undertones of an ape that thinks it's people. He even shares the first name with the token black guy from Ghostbusters.

lordmardok:
Hey look it's Vi with a gun. Seriously. They didn't even change her color scheme. Just beefed her a little bit. Zayra is literally Vi from League of Legends with particle cannon.

Don't you mean Fetch?
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Or maybe you meant Anya Stroud?
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Or perhaps you meant Kerrigan?
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No offense, but you can find hundreds of girls that look like Vi (many that predate her) if you just google "Cyberpunk Girl".

That being said, I'm not seeing the similarities other than hair color and having a scar. In which case, I guess Siegried from Soul Calibur and Seifer from Final Fantasy are the spitting image of each other.

I'm as anti-SJW as you can be, and I greiviously lament that it is their incessant hectoring that has spurred this change. Because, actually, I'd much rather the company had come to these conclusions themselves.

You see, as much as I can't stand the imposing zealots who make up the ranks of Social Justice Warriors, I do actually appreciate diversity. And in a game like this, there's really no reason not to represent as many different shapes, shades, and sizes as possible. And, in fact, this is the way toward diversity: companies not being kowtowed into censoring their current characters, or bowing to pressure to restrict the types of bodies women are 'allowed' to have in games (no tits, no hips, no thighs, etc); but instead, through encouragement, having them experiment and introduce as much diversity to character design as possible - but always through their choice.

So although I don't like how this has come about, I do like the diversity in character design. It keeps things fresh.

The shape of the shoulders seems a little bit wonky when she flexes and her traps are looking kind of small for someone her size in poses where they shouldn't (could be the armor though). Other than that, pretty good overall and I like the powerlifting belt looking acessory that goes over the armor. It makes very little sense but it's a nice touch to show where they drew inspiration from. As a powerlifting fan, I'm happy with it.

Also they called her Zarya, like the first module of the ISS to go into space, because they feel like they're trying something new perhaps. Pretty cool detail there. Let's hope they give the character a fun personality.

I think the design is sound and the look is solid- hopefully this is appealing to people who like muscular women.

I don't personally like the look, and would never play her, however.

*Is a direct response to these critics*
Is it really?

Anyway if its so or not. tbh I couldn't care less... I'm honestly not interested in Overwatch and there are some people out there who like that body type. Some dudes and gals have the strong woman fetish, which is alright.

Just as I have the petite girl, thin, small or flat chest preference.

But its not a "response" or something anyone should take as hurr durr serious business "politics" in video games. Good that they did, its their game, the devs have decided and the market decides. Its always fair, glad they did, good for em. *clap* *clap*

Well as a female game developer recently said in an interview:

GT: That's an interesting point. What I'd like to ask you is, how do you see the next few months, years and so on playing out if things continue as they currently are?
Anna: Segregation of gamers and ultimately demonizing of the average "gamer" to a point where developers and publishers alike actively develop games to appeal to the critics and media's attitudes and agendas rather than appeal to the people actually buying the games.

https://archive.today/5fHyd#selection-217.0-217.262

So yeah, I'm glad that the media is being pandered to.

The character seems fine to me btw, although seems simply be a genderswapped heavy from team fortress. I have nothing against this character, but I worry about the way she is marketed.

The fact that people are turning right around and start bitching about how she's just another stereotype just shows that trying to give any ground to the gender-terrorists is just stupid. These people will never be happy. You put tough, strong women in games and its instantly: "She's just a man with boobs". You put women with larger bodies in games and its instantly "Why is her face so pretty still?". Now this is wrong because she's Russian? Seriously?

I mean, I want to see a design for a female character that they approve of. Are there any concrete examples of a female character that is done right?

Oh... I thought they made this character because they genuinely wanted to, not because they thought they had to. That kinda puts a damper on things. I liked the character when I first saw her, but now I see it as pandering to an audience that is now complaining that she isn't good enough.

EDIT: For those who forgot, this is a game with a super-intelligent, genetically engineered gorilla. Does a Russian ex-bodybuilder really seem that unreasonable in this game?

You know, another way to look at this announcement is that they were making the character from the get go, and the PR division saw revealing this character as a way to try to win people over or something given the current climate. Has everyone received it well....well of course not, but should anyone be surprised by that. =\
Anywho I just genuinely like the character.

Caramel Frappe:
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Thank you for saving me from posting a less coherent version of all of that. You earn a Awesome Award for doing Awesome. =D

Aetrion:
The fact that people are turning right around and start bitching about how she's just another stereotype just shows that trying to give any ground to the gender-terrorists is just stupid. These people will never be happy. You put tough, strong women in games and its instantly: "She's just a man with boobs". You put women with larger bodies in games and its instantly "Why is her face so pretty still?". Now this is wrong because she's Russian? Seriously?

You know the people who were asking for different body types and the people complaining about Zarya are mostly different people, right?

Bocaj2000:
Oh... I thought they made this character because they genuinely wanted to, not because they thought they had to.

Bob: I think I'll have a roast beef sandwich.
Alice: I'd be happier if you had the chicken sandwich.
Bob: Okay. Chicken it is!
Chris: Curse you, Alice, for forcing Bob to eat chicken!

Seriously, Blizzard has said repeatedly that they want to provide diversity. The idea that they are somehow being strong armed into doing it is just bonkers.

Aetrion:
The fact that people are turning right around and start bitching about how she's just another stereotype just shows that trying to give any ground to the gender-terrorists is just stupid. These people will never be happy. You put tough, strong women in games and its instantly: "She's just a man with boobs". You put women with larger bodies in games and its instantly "Why is her face so pretty still?". Now this is wrong because she's Russian? Seriously?

I mean, I want to see a design for a female character that they approve of. Are there any concrete examples of a female character that is done right?

Uh, you do realize the people here (on this site) that were posting about their disappointment with the roster at the original announcement have been largely supportive and glad for this character right? I was there for the original announcement threads, I even posted in some, and all the people I remember criticizing the roster are the ones posting about liking this character. The ones calling her a "man with boobs" seem to coming from the other side of the aisle, i.e. the people that aren't happy with Blizzard pandering to the SJW crowd.

Also, gender-terrorists? Really? That's the most ridiculous hyperbole I've seen since that intel tweet that compared GG to ISIS. I am saving that for next time I need to prove a point about how the "SJWs" and "anti-SJWs" have basically become twisted reflections of each other.

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