"Rape Game" On Amazon Triggers Anger, Outrage

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scotth266:

Radelaide:

CaptainREBell:
...Because rape is SO much more worse than genocide *sarcasm*.
Seriously, why banning rape but not genocide games?
Maybe we can start taking the government more seriously when they stop bickering on wikipedia. Or stop being hypocrites.

Rape happens more often than genocide would be my guess. And you can unfortunately get away with rape. Kill a few thousand people of a certain minority (or majority) and you're gunna get caught. Rape would be more easily influenced.

Unfortunately this isn't always the case... I mean, look at Saddam! He committed genocide against some bunch of people (don't remember), and got away with it until the US came in to grab him for something else.

Don't look at it as a number of people. Look at it as a number of cases. There are more cases of rape then genocide. Mind you, those who commit one or both should be removed from the gene pool, IMO.

If this game gets released outside of Japan the video gaming industry will be in turmoil!

Does it have a multiplayer?

Just kidding. This game is utterly disgusting, and all those who made it or play it should be raped by an elephant very ashamed of themselves.

The japanese are fucked.

Games like this have been around for a long time, there is also several incarnations of "Battle Raper" which sees with every hit you make, a piece of clothing flies off.

Like most I don't agree with the moral ground of it but after reading quotes (My girlfriend did an essay on this for her university course) some japanesse officals insist that it reduces the rate of rape because they don't have to commit it in real life. It satisfies their fetish. I can problery edit this post to show links to them later but don't have time atm.

though if the BBFC didn't know about it, i'm pretty sure Amazon has broken the law. Like movies, games with adult content can't be sold without a BBFC certification.

The reason people are in such an uproar about this game is because while NORMAL people know the difference between real and fantasy and can play games like GTA and RapeLay without getting any ideas, Idiots will play this game and immediately go out and attempt to replicate it in reality. (Like the 2 kids who took rifles and shot people over an intersection because they saw it on GTA 3). In order to protect the innocent we must ban games like this so retards can't play them. Thus, preventing the normal people from enjoying themselves (I speak of games like Manhunt and GTA in this perspective, RapeLay is going WAY to far). In the words of George Carlin "People are fucking nuts".

blank0000:
Games like this should not exist, rape is a horrible crime.

I know a lot of people will try to jump to the defense of a game, but maybe coming together and setting a bar for ourselves is a good. If a video of someone being raped where released for profit, plenty of activists would be against the issue and boycott said product "which I would not be against". So if the same does not hold true for a video game, then we stunt ourselves, I can understand the hate against the VAZ guy, but in this case his concern is legitimate, and should be respected, if we in turn want to be treated with respect.

If a video of someone being raped were released it would involve a real person really being raped.

Judging by the volume of torrents, lots & lots of people want to play this game.

mike1921:

blank0000:
Games like this should not exist, rape is a horrible crime.

I know a lot of people will try to jump to the defense of a game, but maybe coming together and setting a bar for ourselves is a good. If a video of someone being raped where released for profit, plenty of activists would be against the issue and boycott said product "which I would not be against". So if the same does not hold true for a video game, then we stunt ourselves, I can understand the hate against the VAZ guy, but in this case his concern is legitimate, and should be respected, if we in turn want to be treated with respect.

If a video of someone being raped were released it would involve a real person really being raped.

true, however the action is still being depicted, and as someone above has already stated, the idea of "conditioning" is brought into play, yes it is a fictional image, but the mental concept is still their. Beyond that, you can't tell me theirs nothing of poor taste with a game where you play as a person who rapes a mother and her daughters?

Lets look at it "fictionally" as a movie, where the people technically are not real, the idea that you are taking on a glorified perspective of such behavior would still be considered obscene by most courtrooms.

Still the world does not follow one set law, likewise their are free trade technicalities and what have you. What I'm saying is the outrage is against the game not the industry, and as it is a part of the industry, those who support games would be justified and in my opinion right, in frowning upon and petitioning against something that in accordance to their own laws and beliefs, is or should be illegal.

however the action is still being depicted, and as someone above has already stated, the idea of "conditioning" is brought into play,

The depiction, and "conditioning" aren't why it'd be illegal. It's illegal because it's an actual person being raped. Either that, or I'm a felon for watching all that bdsm porn.

Beyond that, you can't tell me theirs nothing of poor taste with a game where you play as a person who rapes a mother and her daughters?

See, I don't care whether it's in poor taste.

Lets look at it "fictionally" as a movie, where the people technically are not real, the idea that you are taking on a glorified perspective of such behavior would still be considered obscene by most courtrooms.

It's downright horrifying if courts could say something's "obscene" and that effect anything.

Still the world does not follow one set law, likewise their are free trade technicalities and what have you. What I'm saying is the outrage is against the game not the industry, and as it is a part of the industry, those who support games would be justified and in my opinion right, in frowning upon and petitioning against something that in accordance to their own laws and beliefs, is or should be illegal.

For one, it's idiotic to say something should be illegal because of the laws you have in your country or state. Someone who thinks there government is always right should be avoided like the plague. For two, I stand strongly by my belief that trying to ilegalize something because you're against it, while it doesn't hurt anyone, is advocating Totalitarianism.

I'll never understand why rape is considered so much worse than mass murder, which we commit in video games on a regular basis without any of you lot calling for the game's designers to be burned at the stake.

that's just wrong on so many levels... honestly, my respect in japan has seriously fallen lately.

A line needs to be drawn. I've read the arguments here asking why mass murder in games is permitted while something like rape draws such a vehement response. In my mind it is simple. It all has to do with the circumstances. While depicting a soldier, or hell even a hitman in a video game involves killing, there is always the underlying assumption that said killed people are the "bad guys". Even when one kills civilians in GTA, the player knows they are committing what in real life would be an abomination. Police are called, other human beings run in terror. This so called rape game blurs the line between what is right and wrong, while other games simply show you a single side. The line needs to be drawn somewhere and I think this is where it should be. Ask someone who has been raped if they found it "fun", or if they'd like to play a game about it. Similarly ask someone who has been shot if they'd play a game where they handle a gun. I'm sure a lot more "bullet wound" folks would pick up a controller (not all of course) then would a rape victim.

Velocirapture07:
A line needs to be drawn. I've read the arguments here asking why mass murder in games is permitted while something like rape draws such a vehement response. In my mind it is simple. It all has to do with the circumstances. While depicting a soldier, or hell even a hitman in a video game involves killing, there is always the underlying assumption that said killed people are the "bad guys". Even when one kills civilians in GTA, the player knows they are committing what in real life would be an abomination. Police are called, other human beings run in terror. This so called rape game blurs the line between what is right and wrong, while other games simply show you a single side. The line needs to be drawn somewhere and I think this is where it should be. Ask someone who has been raped if they found it "fun", or if they'd like to play a game about it. Similarly ask someone who has been shot if they'd play a game where they handle a gun. I'm sure a lot more "bullet wound" folks would pick up a controller (not all of course) then would a rape victim.

They may not play those games, but that hardly means that such a game should or should not be made. It would be like arguing that BDSM should not be practiced since it involves what is effectively simulated rape.

CantFaketheFunk:
... Japan never ceases to amaze.

+1

Wow, I'm not sure what to think about this...

This so called rape game blurs the line between what is right and wrong, while other games simply show you a single side.

If you can't tell that rape is wrong or will think it's right if a videogame doesn't make that obvious than you should be in a straight jacket.

mike1921:

This so called rape game blurs the line between what is right and wrong, while other games simply show you a single side.

If you can't tell that rape is wrong or will think it's right if a videogame doesn't make that obvious than you should be in a straight jacket.

This.

Does anyone here think that someone who likes to be dominated wants to be raped for real? People sometimes.

Edit:Missed a word.

Vanguard1219:
Your breaking my balls here, man. Seriously.

Either everything's okay to make a game about, or nothing is.

If there was a game in which you torture, rape, mutilate and creatively kill thousands of human babies in hundreds of different ways... well, there probably is such a game. But my point is censorship is retarded, no matter how objectionable the game/film/image/book is. It's the kind of thing Hitler would've done.

Incidentally, spare a moment for the people who had to develop this game.

Boss: Alright, guys, our next project will be a rape game.
Lead artist: ANOTHER ONE? Seriously, we just finished that tentacle thing last week. Can't we just do a sandbox game or an MMO?
Boss: NO! This is our niche and we're sticking with it. Or would you prefer a bestiality game?
Lead artist: *sigh* Rape game it is, then. Let's draw straws to see who'll be in the motion capture suit this time.

oktalist:

Vanguard1219:
Your breaking my balls here, man. Seriously.

Either everything's okay to make a game about, or nothing is.

If there was a game in which you torture, rape, mutilate and creatively kill thousands of human babies in hundreds of different ways... well, there probably is such a game. But my point is censorship is retarded, no matter how objectionable the game/film/image/book is. It's the kind of thing Hitler would've done.

Incidentally, spare a moment for the people who had to develop this game.

Boss: Alright, guys, our next project will be a rape game.
Lead artist: ANOTHER ONE? Seriously, we just finished that tentacle thing last week. Can't we just do a sandbox game or an MMO?
Boss: NO! This is our niche and we're sticking with it. Or would you prefer a bestiality game?
Lead artist: *sigh* Rape game it is, then. Let's draw straws to see who'll be in the motion capture suit this time.

Whoa! Stop right there! Before you just quoted me out of context I was referring to how games like this one hurt our industry's argument that games don't turn kids into violent sociopaths. I didn't say a single word about how they didn't have the right to make it or whether or not it was even okay.

Why don't you stop and think real hard about what you want to say before you start putting words into people's mouth and compare them to Hitler of all people.

Vanguard1219:

oktalist:

Vanguard1219:
[paragraph in italics added to show context]
God damnit Japan, your making us look bad. It pretty hard to try and prove that videogames don't turn people into murderous sociopaths when you keep cranking out stuff like this.

Your breaking my balls here, man. Seriously.

Either everything's okay to make a game about, or nothing is.

Whoa! Stop right there! Before you just quoted me out of context I was referring to how games like this one hurt our industry's argument that games don't turn kids into violent sociopaths. I didn't say a single word about how they didn't have the right to make it or whether or not it was even okay.

Why don't you stop and think real hard about what you want to say before you start putting words into people's mouth and compare them to Hitler of all people.

Sorry, I didn't mean to pick on you. I just wanted to counter your Southpark quote with one of my own. But you did seem to me to be indicating that you thought the game ought not to have been released (well, actually that would be a reasonable opinion, one which perhaps I share, but the fact is they did release it and we can't stop them, nor should we). The Hitler thing I added as an afterthought, not in a serious way which I hoped would be apparent as comparing people/things to Hitler is kind of a cliche of intarnets forums. People and things have been compared to Hitler and Nazis elsewhere in this thread, I think.

The point about these sorts of games damaging the industry is a complex one that I could get into a long argument about, but I don't want to because of course arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win, and so on. It just sounded like a round-about way to come out in support of the censorship brigade, in effect allowing the likes of Keith Vaz to get what they want. I don't think it's really the fault of these games, but the fault of tw*ts like him using them as leverage. That's really all I want to say on the subject or I'm going to start comparing people to Osama Bin Laden and George frickin Bush.

Just installed and played for 5mins. (IN THE INTEREST OF SCIENCE!!)

And well im quite speechless, the only thing i can suggest is

Vanguard1219:

If there was a game in which you torture, rape, mutilate and creatively kill thousands of human babies in hundreds of different ways... well, there probably is such a game. But my point is censorship is retarded, no matter how objectionable the game/film/image/book is. It's the kind of thing Hitler would've done.

Godwin's Law at it's best. Only took us 8 pages. Or did I miss an earlier one? >=)

There seems to be a lot of misandrist backlash against gamers, most of whom are presumed to be male.

This is really offensive, just because it's a game doesn't mean that any person who plays games thinks it's acceptable. We all think this game is disgusting and reprehensible.

If this were a book that doesn't mean you can condemn all books and people that read them.

oktalist:
Either everything's okay to make a game about, or nothing is.

I don't agree with this sentiment. I don't think the medium is developed enough to deal with many issues in a responsible way.

I am in favour of censorship in instances like this, I don't think that there can be any benefit to content of this nature.

I would buy this game just to say I bought it and to make all those who are mad at the amazon even madder.

how come almost every game that comes out of japan has some type of minigame that features feeling up/molesting/raping women, or feature ungodly breast physiscs

Huh, a rape game. Looks pretty funny, huh?

Anyway, wow. People are actually reacting to this? Maybe we'll accept rape games soon, I mean, weren't people "appalled" when other games somewhat similar to this came out? I haven't followed the matter too much, but were there people chanting "It is intolerable that anyone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offense of (grand theft auto/murder/mob actions)" when such games came out? Yeah, I'm pretty sure there were. But those people will have to fall back into the crowd eventually since these things DO exist.

If we must ban videogames about rape then movies, music, books and anything involving the subject should be banned as well?

The funny thing is, while everyone is debating this over here in Japan there's hardly anything to debate, dozens of games like that one get released with no outrages whatsoever. Over there they actually understand which games are for kids and which not.

beddo:

oktalist:
Either everything's okay to make a game about, or nothing is.

I don't agree with this sentiment. I don't think the medium is developed enough to deal with many issues in a responsible way.

I am in favour of censorship in instances like this, I don't think that there can be any benefit to content of this nature.

No argument here about the lack of any benefit. My point was more that this sort of thing is the thin end of the wedge, the start of a slippery slope; who decides what's horrible enough to be censored? As many others have pointed out, should GTA be taken off the shelves?

It's de facto censored anyway due to no right-thinking retailer ever considering stocking it (Amazon cock-ups notwithstanding). It's a piece of shit which no-one outside of Japan would ever, ever have found if it hadn't been publicised in this way. It's like those inflammatory Danish anti-Islamic cartoons, the newspapers here were saved from having to choose between publishing them in the name of news reporting thereby inviting hate and possibly violence, or censoring them thereby giving in to the people who would intimidate and threaten them with violence. They were saved from having to make that decision by the fact that the cartoons were just rubbish, with no redeeming artistic merit. They weren't really censored, they just weren't reproduced because they were shit. Like this game.

And censorship doesn't work, especially in the age of the Internet, if someone really wants something they'll find it, censored or not.

What. The. Hell.

Ok Japan, I know you have one hell of a wacky culture...but this?

Soooo when is it going to be on ZP?

Deofuta:
Soooo when is it going to be on ZP?

Best Necro line... ever.

World War 3 will be between Australia, Britain, South America, and Japan.

Geez, what a complicated mess.

You can't accurately judge anything based on Japan. I'm pretty sure that even France is devoid of vending machines that sell lacy underwear. When the story broke about the guy who married his DS girlfriend I instantly knew it had to be in Japan. They have a 30' statue of an anime character straddling a raised train track. These things might be strange elsewhere, but in Japan it's nothing new.

I still don't get the obsession with rape, though. I mean, anime and games in general can get pretty weird because they lead such structured lives they have to break out somewhere, so I guess it's just that taken to the extreme. Thus why it seems like a hentai isn't allowed to be published unless there's at least some questionable consent somewhere in there. It's like that yaoi Legend of Blue Wolves where the guy's boyfriend was actually really nice so he had to be raped by someone else, like there's a quota they have to fill for it or something.

BUT STILL, while the concept of this game is creepy beyond all reckoning the Japanese are at least keeping it to themselves in strangeland.

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