EU Backs Games But Wants A "Red Button"

EU Backs Games But Wants A "Red Button"

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A new report adopted by the European parliament committee backs games for children, but says parents need help policing how and when they are played.

The report by Dutch Politician Toine Manders, which was adopted by the Internal Market Committee on Wednesday, found that games can help instill facts in children and encourage the use of important skills such as creativity, cooperation and strategic reflection.

Overall it said games have a "broadly beneficial effect" on the mental development of children, although its research also shows that over half the children playing are unsupervised.

This is where the study called for the "red button," so inappropriate games can be disabled, adding that parents needed more help policing which games their children play and for how long.

The report backed the European Pan European Game Information system (PEGI) and called for it to be strengthened and win more support from member nations.

PEGI is a voluntary system where game designers give their own age ratings to games, something that has already been backed up by the games responsibility to advertising.

The committee proposed that, while work was going on to improve PEGI and extend its oversight to online games, consoles and computers and games could be outfitted with a "red button" to turn off a machine or disable a game.

Of course, as with all child-proof technology, they're going to learn how to use it far faster than we are.

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I thought next gen consoles already had "child proofing" features ?
Well I know my PS3 has anyway.

so... instead of Monitoring what the children are doing, they would rather try and Improve Child Proofing Features...

Yeah, don't most game consoles have a feature to block games of a certain rating? I know my 360 does.

once again, politions looking for a scape goat for violence in the world.

That red button game doesn't look very fun.

Umm, i thought age ratings were enough of a guideline for parents. In theory of course, since most of them are ignorant and complain about game violence instead of simply not buying 18+ rated games for their kids.

Oh what parents will do to get out of being 'responisble' parents. Heck when I was in school, I got 1 hour a day on school nights and no later than 7pm on weekends.
And that was the 'LAW' in my house. Granted I play alot more 'now' but I see how it benefitted my personality back when I hated the world and things were 'stoopid' and I wanted to yell at everything like the lovely teenager I was. That much unsocial interaction could have made me a bit worse off I figure, and I wouldn't have stuck with my drawings and studies as much as I did.

So yeah, thanks mum and dad for doing what most parents don't do, take some initiative to tell your child "thats the way it's gonna be, junior." Instead of relying on the cold and unfeeling hand of politics and corporations to do the job the easy way.

It brings a tear to my eye when I see the little kid of about 8 being bought the latest GTA because it's a game, and must be a toy for children. It's morons like that who have made us need child proofing.

Edit: like the above post - thanks to my dad who said I can play games but only if I can prove I'm mature enough to handle the content of them.

I thought the last 60 years of human history were entirely about stopping adults from pushing the Red Button. Now the EU wants everyone to have one? Madness! Madness I tells thee!

There is a good point to this though that the EU actually say that games are good, publishers are responsible but the onus is on the parents.

Unfortunately parenting doesn't come with a theory test, only the practical.

The_root_of_all_evil:
Unfortunately parenting doesn't come with a theory test, only the practical.

Plan...forming...

MA7743W:
I thought next gen consoles already had "child proofing" features ?
Well I know my PS3 has anyway.

So does the Xbox 360, wich also allows parents to set how long children are allowed to play.

Also, you could look at the PEGI Sign on the front of the cover where the recommended age is printed on.

Hell, most of the time you can just look at the cover art to tell if a game is appropriate for children. (Hint: When you see a gun on the cover, the game is probably violent)

That's pretty interesting. I don't know why the insist on putting a killswitch on games instead of just educating parents.

Also, is that a real USB Red Button device thingy. Because I would love to have a big red button to be able to plug into my computer.

No, a red button would be too complicated. Maybe they are color blind and can't find the button.

Guess what, the simpler you make "the button" the easier it will be for your kids to defeat. The solution is to stop being such a soccer mom dingbat and learn about the technology instead of blowing it off.

A button to turn off the console has been standard-issue since, I think, the Magnavox Odyssey. Granted, not all of them have been red....

DirkGently:
That's pretty interesting. I don't know why the insist on putting a killswitch on games instead of just educating parents.

Also, is that a real USB Red Button device thingy. Because I would love to have a big red button to be able to plug into my computer.

Click the image link at the bottom of the post :)

Before I left for university (and even when I'm visiting home), my family had a rule where I could only play games for one hour, then I had to give it a break of about three/four again before I could carry on playing. My dad would come in and switch the console off without me saving if I tried to break the rule. Otherwise, they were pretty lenient (my mom was a bit of a casual gamer herself, she actually borrowed my DS until Easter when I went home for Christmas just gone). They actually bought GTA3 and Vice City for my younger brother (he was 14 at the time, 16 now), although he couldn't go to his friends house to play it until after they bought it for him themselves. I suppose they were just trying really to let us have some freedom, yet still police us to a certain extent. That said, they would go barmy if I ever bought Manhunt (not that I will, sick depraved game that it is...).

so they want a parental controll toolbar...kinda like all PCs & im pretty sure all current gen consoles have? Whiles its great & all that to hear politicians saying games can be beneficial; it would be nice if just once they'd give the impression any of them ever played the damn things.

I have a big red button, different purpose mind you though

No, not for nuclear missles. It's for the Rift Generator. We all know the Scrin pwn.

Charli:
So yeah, thanks mum and dad for doing what most parents don't do, take some initiative to tell your child "thats the way it's gonna be, junior." Instead of relying on the cold and unfeeling hand of politics and corporations to do the job the easy way.

This.

To quote "Thank you for smoking" (great movie btw):
"Gentlemen, it's called education. It doesn't come off the side of a cigarette carton. It comes from our teachers, and more importantly, our parents.
It is the job of every parent to warn their children of all the dangers of the world including cigarettes, so that one day when they get older, they can choose for themselves."

Replace "cigarrettes" with "games" and you've got my point of view.

I really dont understand the issue.
They want a RED BUTTON to turn off the game or console to restrict how long their child plays on them.
Now I don't know if they mean a PHYSICAL red button that will kill the power or exit the game.
Or a red button SOFTWARE that sets a timer on how long the child plays.

But any parent who really cares, would first set a limit to how long their child can play games for, then when they have played for the set limit, the parent says "Times up" and turns off the console.

As for parental control, try controlling what your kid is playing by LOOKING AT THE COVER.
I'm looking at the back of the GTA4 box (PS3 Version) and I can see:

An 18 Certificate. A box clearly stating "Contains strong violence, very strong language, sex and drugs references.

That should be enough information for a parent to decide on wether or not their child can play it.

What the hell is wrong with parents just doing what they're supposed to do and actually dictate to the child how long they can play games for?

When I was a kid I was allowed an hour a day (two if the weather sucked, and this being England you could guarantee that every weekend it would) and that was it. Why not just make parents be parents instead of relying on an electronic nanny?

And still they yammer on about age rating advice for parents. LOOK AT THE BOX YOU DUMB BUGGERS!!! IT'S PRITNED ON THERE!!!

Consoles this gen already have parental controls but, and you know this must seem like a crazy idea to some of the dummys that partake in parenting and government, why not use that power button on the front that, you know, turns the bloody thing off?

Ooh I'm good and angry now, need to go blow something up.

Pigeon_Grenade:
so... instead of Monitoring what the children are doing, they would rather try and Improve Child Proofing Features...

Well duh why should they act like responsible parents taking care of children?...oh wait..

MA7743W:
I thought next gen consoles already had "child proofing" features ?
Well I know my PS3 has anyway.

How many parents are smart enough to figure it out though?

Some times my 360 decides that none of my games are appropriate to play ever, then it has 3 red lights around a button, does this count as a red button?

Is there actually somewhere that you can buy that USB button from, though? (The site at the image link doesn't really seem to go anywhere.) Edit: found somewhere, never mind.

I did find another device along similar lines a while back, but sadly that's just a hub -- while it has sound effects it doesn't let anything actually happen on the PC when the button is pushed.

Pigeon_Grenade:
so... instead of Monitoring what the children are doing, they would rather try and Improve Child Proofing Features...

Yes, the lazy and uncaring route.

And doesn't my 360 already have parental settings.

PC Games would be a main problem. There is no proofing feature other than deleting and hiding a game.

x434343:
PC Games would be a main problem. There is no proofing feature other than deleting and hiding a game.

Or not letting them get it?

Frankly, if your child can get themselves to the store and blow $50 of their own money without any help from you, you need to rethink your setup.

Remember the V-Chip scene from South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut?

Yah, that's coming sooner then you think.

johnx61:
Remember the V-Chip scene from South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut?

Yah, that's coming sooner then you think.

Obviously.

You know. It pisses me off more than anything when parents aren't able to actually be parents. I know there isn't a recipe following the kids when they're born. But that doesn't mean you're not allowed to use your damn head!

Seriously, they got to get out of this "the-government-should-do-my-job-for-me" mentality. It's not helping anyone. Especially not the onew who want their kids educated and raised properly. For that to happen, you need to do something yourself. The schools and electronic features are not there to do your job for you. Sure, the school should be able to withstrain the rules you've set. But you, as a parent are the one who's supposed to set it. It shits me to tears. It seriously does. The worst thing about it, is that they don't even realize how stupid they are themselves. Thus leaving no hope for their coming generation. These kids will most likely grow up to become morons or arseholes, just becuase their parents weren't able to do a proper job

Now this might sound a bit arrogant, because .. Well I'll admit that I think I was raised excelent. I don't think I could have been raised better. None of the five of us could. I mean, my father tried to make me play more games. And I did. To some extend, because I was raised in such a good way, that even my father wanting me to play games didn't mean I would play them for hours to end (My father didn't try to interfere with the "program", he just knew I would become more interested, and still not use hours in front of the TV). And that was good. That was a good way of raising us. But back on what I was saying. I honestly think it should be possible to use your common sense when raising childre. You should know that you're in charge. And if you're using your common sense, then the raisin should be like a walk in the park.

Just my two cents on the topic

I thought that it had something to do with that "Red Button" badge I've suddenly found myself with.

It appears, however, that I was wrong, so sadly I have nothing constructive to add here. Sorry for bothering everyone.

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OH GOD HE'S EVERYWHERE WHY WON'T HE GO AWAY STOP LOOKING AT ME ALREADY I SWEAR I DIDN'T WANT TO CAUSE ANY TROUBLE JUST GO AWAY AND STOP STARING AT ME

 

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