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Batman v Superman Producer Says Film Won't Be Overstuffed

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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice producer Charles Roven says the finished film won't lose track of its main heroes over secondary characters.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice isn't just an on-screen meeting of the world's greatest superheroes. It also introduces DC Comics' broader film universe, including cameos of Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, and potentially many more. This has prompted fears from several fans that Warner Bros. is overstuffing its story in a rush to fill its Justice League roster. But according to producer Charles Roven, that's not the case at all - Batman v Superman will focus squarely on central characters while teasing personalities you'll want to see later on.

"I don't think that's an issue for this film at all. I really don't," Roven told Collider. "I think that the film is called Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, so there's a reason it's called Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and not Dawn of Justice: Batman v Superman. So you're gonna invest mostly in Batman v Superman and I think that you'll find other characters in there that you hopefully will want to see more of."

In other words, Roven is stating this will be a Batman/Superman movie first, and a Justice League prequel second. Which if accurate, means all those Aquaman or Wonder Woman promotional materials are solely about building the DC universe - not complete plot arcs featured in this film.

"I think like any genre, the movies have to be good and you have to keep the audience engaged," Roven said. "One of the things that we're doing when we're bringing together the DC Justice League Universe is we're creating not only stories that work for the individual film but they have some resonance to the other films that we're doing. And I'm hoping that what's also gonna keep the interest very keen is we're telling hopefully compelling stories."

Since Roven is Batman v Superman's producer, we obviously have to take his statement with a grain of salt. But he might not be wrong - after all, the only comparable superhero project is Marvel's Cinematic Universe, which played a long game for four years before bringing superheroes together in Avengers. Anything faster will naturally feel rushed and risky, but we won't know for sure until Batman v Superman launches next year.

On the other hand, Batman v Superman put a lot of effort into promoting heroes who aren't Batman or Superman, which clashes with Roven's claim. Not to mention rumors already abound of a four-hour cut of the movie. Roven didn't confirm or deny such rumors, but suggested something like an extended cut may be on the way.

"I don't know if you'll ever get the 4-hour version," he explained, "but there may be something that's coming along that might be slightly less long than that."

Batman v Superman And Friends hits theaters on March 25, 2016.

Source: Collider, via Gamesradar

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I don't know, this sounds like when a food company advertises there's "hardly any" worms in their food.

Andm, as the article notes, there has been a lot of time devoted to promoting other superheroes, which makes me think they will play a substantial part. Which wouldn't bother me if I had faith in them. Which I don't. And all of this would be academic if they weren't rpotesting.

Press X to doubt, that being said I'd totally be down for a 4 hour long cut.
More long movies and less two parters is a direction I totally support

Yeah, you can claim it won't be overstuffed, but that doesn't convince me that it won't suck for the many reasons I expect it to besides that.
Such as an overly dark tone that serves no real thematic point, characters who's actions don't make sense, and a director who answers to the name of Zack Snyder.

Never a good sign when the producer is already trying to counter criticism before the movie is even out (at least, not when it's about the film itself and not some stupid social justice crusade). This is definitely having some hallmarks of a film that's going down hard: and I mean Waterworld kind of hard.

And why not go for a four-hour runtime? They could even give us an intermission. If we're willing to sit through 3.5 hours of lord of the rings, I suspect we'd be willing to do the same for batman v superman; of course, that's assuming that it's good. I don't think they're making that assumption: uh oh.

It already felt like Man of Steel was overstuffed and cut down significantly, and now we have this? Calm down and pace yourselves, Warner Bros. You aren't going to beat Marvel like this - especailly if your viewers will barely understand what's going on because your theatrical cut of the film cuts out nearly half of it.

Seeing it said so many times in a single paragraph really drives home how fucking awful "Batman v Superman" sounds as a title.

I... Really do not buy it. The movie has too much going on not to be bloated to be honest.

*Movie is four hours long*

I gave a quick look through the photos and stopped at what is number 2 for me. The one with what appears to be batman being down on his knees and a group of what appears to be superman's goons. That image alone made me almost spit out my coffee. That facial expression is gold I tell you!

The movie about the aftermath of Metropolis' downfall and a war between Batman-imitator-vigilantes and alien worshipers, a batlle between the two most iconic DC Superheroes who brood a lot, the scheemes of Lex Luthor, the involvement of Wonderwoman, Batmans Ironman-siut, 9-11 symbolism...

No, sure. This "[...]Film Won't Be Overstuffed"

Whatever you say WB. Either this is going to be a 4 hour movie or it's going to have plot chasms. If it were announced tomorrow that Batman V Superman Dawn of Justice is going to be a part 1 that wouldn't surprise me. It also wouldn't surprise me if this turns into an origin movie for everybody but Superman.

First off, I can't stop laughing at some of those signs the protesters carry...
Second off, I'm sure Wonder Woman's "cameo" would be as long (or longer) than Bryan Cranston's "cameo" in Godzilla...
Third off, don't you dare not showcase the 4+ hour cut of the movie...
Four off, If the movie's going to be cut theatrically, does that mean they would just cut it down more if some of the "cameos" don't leave a lasting impression on the audience, despite said audience's main focus is suppose to be on the Batman/Superman affair overall?
Fifth off, when I think of overstuffed, I think of Oreos, thus I hope this movie's as good as a overstuffed Oreo...

RJ Dalton:
Yeah, you can claim it won't be overstuffed, but that doesn't convince me that it won't suck for the many reasons I expect it to besides that.
Such as an overly dark tone that serves no real thematic point, characters who's actions don't make sense, and a director who answers to the name of Zack Snyder.

I am going to keep defending this because I am the only DC fan here that cares and likes the direction they are going.

I don't mind if this movie is "bloated" because personally I like long 4 hour movies. I don't want a 2 hour roller coaster ride. I want a 4 hour epic.

And why all the Zack Snyder bashing all of a sudden? People are treating him like Uwe Boll all of a sudden. 300 is a good movie, Watchmen is a great movie despite some flaws.

We are already seeing a disconnect between the studio and the producers. Looking pretty bad, guys.

Samtemdo8:

RJ Dalton:
Yeah, you can claim it won't be overstuffed, but that doesn't convince me that it won't suck for the many reasons I expect it to besides that.
Such as an overly dark tone that serves no real thematic point, characters who's actions don't make sense, and a director who answers to the name of Zack Snyder.

I am going to keep defending this because I am the only DC fan here that cares and likes the direction they are going.

I don't mind if this movie is "bloated" because personally I like long 4 hour movies. I don't want a 2 hour roller coaster ride. I want a 4 hour epic.

And why all the Zack Snyder bashing all of a sudden? People are treating him like Uwe Boll all of a sudden. 300 is a good movie, Watchmen is a great movie despite some flaws.

I'm a DC fan but how DC is running their cinematic universe inspires little faith. They're just throwing too many things together and seeing what sticks. Also, grimdark is not a tone I want for every superhero. BvS looks bad and Suicide Squad looks even worse.

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:

RJ Dalton:
Yeah, you can claim it won't be overstuffed, but that doesn't convince me that it won't suck for the many reasons I expect it to besides that.
Such as an overly dark tone that serves no real thematic point, characters who's actions don't make sense, and a director who answers to the name of Zack Snyder.

I am going to keep defending this because I am the only DC fan here that cares and likes the direction they are going.

I don't mind if this movie is "bloated" because personally I like long 4 hour movies. I don't want a 2 hour roller coaster ride. I want a 4 hour epic.

And why all the Zack Snyder bashing all of a sudden? People are treating him like Uwe Boll all of a sudden. 300 is a good movie, Watchmen is a great movie despite some flaws.

I'm a DC fan but how DC is running their cinematic universe inspires little faith. They're just throwing too many things together and seeing what sticks. Also, grimdark is not a tone I want for every superhero. BvS looks bad and Suicide Squad looks even worse.

Hey its better than having to watch 5 different movies just to get what's going on :P

And if you hate the tone so much do you also hate the fact that Batman The Killing Joke animated adaption will be rated R? Because that comic is pretty dark.

This tone is better than winking at the audiance, smart ass, "comedic dialoge" direction the Marvel movies are doing. Guardians of the Galaxy made me groan and facepalm at its "Comedy" and man did I not fuckin called it that Groot was gonna sacrifice himself Iron Giant stlye ever since I found out Vin Diesal is voicing him, right down to the last word, replace "We Are Groot" with "Superman" and you have the Wooden Giant :P

Samtemdo8:

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:

I am going to keep defending this because I am the only DC fan here that cares and likes the direction they are going.

I don't mind if this movie is "bloated" because personally I like long 4 hour movies. I don't want a 2 hour roller coaster ride. I want a 4 hour epic.

And why all the Zack Snyder bashing all of a sudden? People are treating him like Uwe Boll all of a sudden. 300 is a good movie, Watchmen is a great movie despite some flaws.

I'm a DC fan but how DC is running their cinematic universe inspires little faith. They're just throwing too many things together and seeing what sticks. Also, grimdark is not a tone I want for every superhero. BvS looks bad and Suicide Squad looks even worse.

Hey its better than having to watch 5 different movies just to get what's going on :P

And if you hate the tone so much do you also hate the fact that Batman The Killing Joke animated adaption will be rated R? Because that comic is pretty dark.

This tone is better than winking at the audiance, smart ass, "comedic dialoge" direction the Marvel movies are doing. Guardians of the Galaxy made me groan and facepalm at its "Comedy" and man did I not fuckin called it that Groot was gonna sacrifice himself Iron Giant stlye ever since I found out Vin Diesal is voicing him, right down to the last word, replace "We Are Groot" with "Superman" and you have the Wooden Giant :P

Well, I'm not mad about Killing Joke being rated R because it is a dark story and Batman is a dark character. Superman isn't dark, Flash isn't dark, Green Lantern isn't dark, fucking Aquaman sure isn't dark and they turned him into Rob Zombie.

Samtemdo8:

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:

I am going to keep defending this because I am the only DC fan here that cares and likes the direction they are going.

I don't mind if this movie is "bloated" because personally I like long 4 hour movies. I don't want a 2 hour roller coaster ride. I want a 4 hour epic.

And why all the Zack Snyder bashing all of a sudden? People are treating him like Uwe Boll all of a sudden. 300 is a good movie, Watchmen is a great movie despite some flaws.

I'm a DC fan but how DC is running their cinematic universe inspires little faith. They're just throwing too many things together and seeing what sticks. Also, grimdark is not a tone I want for every superhero. BvS looks bad and Suicide Squad looks even worse.

Hey its better than having to watch 5 different movies just to get what's going on :P

And if you hate the tone so much do you also hate the fact that Batman The Killing Joke animated adaption will be rated R? Because that comic is pretty dark.

This tone is better than winking at the audiance, smart ass, "comedic dialoge" direction the Marvel movies are doing. Guardians of the Galaxy made me groan and facepalm at its "Comedy" and man did I not fuckin called it that Groot was gonna sacrifice himself Iron Giant stlye ever since I found out Vin Diesal is voicing him, right down to the last word, replace "We Are Groot" with "Superman" and you have the Wooden Giant :P

Well, I'm not mad about Killing Joke being rated R because it is a dark story and Batman is a dark character. Superman isn't dark, Flash isn't dark, Green Lantern isn't dark, fucking Aquaman sure isn't dark and they turned him into Rob Zombie.

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:

Kenbo Slice:

I'm a DC fan but how DC is running their cinematic universe inspires little faith. They're just throwing too many things together and seeing what sticks. Also, grimdark is not a tone I want for every superhero. BvS looks bad and Suicide Squad looks even worse.

Hey its better than having to watch 5 different movies just to get what's going on :P

And if you hate the tone so much do you also hate the fact that Batman The Killing Joke animated adaption will be rated R? Because that comic is pretty dark.

This tone is better than winking at the audiance, smart ass, "comedic dialoge" direction the Marvel movies are doing. Guardians of the Galaxy made me groan and facepalm at its "Comedy" and man did I not fuckin called it that Groot was gonna sacrifice himself Iron Giant stlye ever since I found out Vin Diesal is voicing him, right down to the last word, replace "We Are Groot" with "Superman" and you have the Wooden Giant :P

Well, I'm not mad about Killing Joke being rated R because it is a dark story and Batman is a dark character. Superman isn't dark, Flash isn't dark, Green Lantern isn't dark, fucking Aquaman sure isn't dark and they turned him into Rob Zombie.

Man of Steel wasn't really..."Dark" it just had a more serious tone. I mean does the theme song in the movie sounded "Dark and Brooding?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX3coWDnTrU

Samtemdo8:

Kenbo Slice:

Samtemdo8:

Hey its better than having to watch 5 different movies just to get what's going on :P

And if you hate the tone so much do you also hate the fact that Batman The Killing Joke animated adaption will be rated R? Because that comic is pretty dark.

This tone is better than winking at the audiance, smart ass, "comedic dialoge" direction the Marvel movies are doing. Guardians of the Galaxy made me groan and facepalm at its "Comedy" and man did I not fuckin called it that Groot was gonna sacrifice himself Iron Giant stlye ever since I found out Vin Diesal is voicing him, right down to the last word, replace "We Are Groot" with "Superman" and you have the Wooden Giant :P

Well, I'm not mad about Killing Joke being rated R because it is a dark story and Batman is a dark character. Superman isn't dark, Flash isn't dark, Green Lantern isn't dark, fucking Aquaman sure isn't dark and they turned him into Rob Zombie.

Man of Steel wasn't really..."Dark" it just had a more serious tone. I mean does the theme song in the movie sounded "Dark and Brooding?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX3coWDnTrU

A theme that is showcased right at the end of the film, after it spent two hours wallowing in its own misery.

I have a sneaky suspicion someone is barely restraining themselves from whining "Marvel got to do it! Why don't we...?"

Yeah, well, Marvel didn't advertise Iron Man around the Nick Fury stinger cameo.

Snark aside, I'm kind of hoping they can make this a good movie. I don't want to see millions of dollars wasted and some talented people have a big millstone tied to their careers. Having a second superhero-universe-franchise could be a good thing, especially if it manages to both differentiate itself from Marvel and make consistently worthwhile movies.

I just can't help but get this ominous feeling that the powers that be are so tied up in how serious and epic this whole production is that they haven't really poured much thought into whether people outside of their bubble will actually enjoy seeing the result.

The first warning sign this was going to be massively overstuff was the title. Batman VS superman - besides being a god awful idea (Spoiler: the one who should win, sans plot contrivance, is the one who is in the top small-n most powercharacters in pretty much any fictional medium (and if we get to count superman one million, possibly any work of fiction including the bible)) already needed at a minimum 2 massive ego-characters plus at least one massive villian to bring them together at the end.

But now we have doomsday, luthor, some newspaper mogul who is relevant somehow, evil nick fury, and at least one or two I've forgotten. Plus Aquaman, Wonderwoman, Cyborg, and maybe the flash and green lantern.

That's not a movie, it's a 22 episode TV season. I was pretty much not the target audience for this anyway (Because the first one was god-awful, even for a superman film) but I can't see this being better than clusterfuck.

Gordon_4:

Samtemdo8:

Kenbo Slice:

Well, I'm not mad about Killing Joke being rated R because it is a dark story and Batman is a dark character. Superman isn't dark, Flash isn't dark, Green Lantern isn't dark, fucking Aquaman sure isn't dark and they turned him into Rob Zombie.

Man of Steel wasn't really..."Dark" it just had a more serious tone. I mean does the theme song in the movie sounded "Dark and Brooding?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX3coWDnTrU

A theme that is showcased right at the end of the film, after it spent two hours wallowing in its own misery.

If that's what you call misery than I prefer this "Misery" over stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrDXseJRJIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ohTJp3PAA

Callate:
I have a sneaky suspicion someone is barely restraining themselves from whining "Marvel got to do it! Why don't we...?"

Yeah, well, Marvel didn't advertise Iron Man around the Nick Fury stinger cameo.

Snark aside, I'm kind of hoping they can make this a good movie. I don't want to see millions of dollars wasted and some talented people have a big millstone tied to their careers. Having a second superhero-universe-franchise could be a good thing, especially if it manages to both differentiate itself from Marvel and make consistently worthwhile movies.

I just can't help but get this ominous feeling that the powers that be are so tied up in how serious and epic this whole production is that they haven't really poured much thought into whether people outside of their bubble will actually enjoy seeing the result.

If you think about it the early Marvel movies were not that great up until the first Captain America imo. I mean I just watched Iron Man 1 recently and my goodness is the movie so dated. I mean they mean Tony made a reference to MySpace.

Mabye this will be the movie that will improve.

mrverbal:
The first warning sign this was going to be massively overstuff was the title. Batman VS superman - besides being a god awful idea (Spoiler: the one who should win, sans plot contrivance, is the one who is in the top small-n most powercharacters in pretty much any fictional medium (and if we get to count superman one million, possibly any work of fiction including the bible)) already needed at a minimum 2 massive ego-characters plus at least one massive villian to bring them together at the end.

But now we have doomsday, luthor, some newspaper mogul who is relevant somehow, evil nick fury, and at least one or two I've forgotten. Plus Aquaman, Wonderwoman, Cyborg, and maybe the flash and green lantern.

That's not a movie, it's a 22 episode TV season. I was pretty much not the target audience for this anyway (Because the first one was god-awful, even for a superman film) but I can't see this being better than clusterfuck.

1. Evil Nick Fury? News Papaer Mogul?

2. I have not heard that Doomsday was being confirmed for this movie or this cinemtatic universe infact I remember being told that he will not be included.

3. Aside from Wonder Woman how much are you willing to be Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash, and Green lantern will at best just appear in really short cameos?

And on the end who cares. This is to prevent oversaturation of DC movies. I rather have 2 movies that leads up to the Justice League, over 5.

Samtemdo8:

Gordon_4:

Samtemdo8:

Man of Steel wasn't really..."Dark" it just had a more serious tone. I mean does the theme song in the movie sounded "Dark and Brooding?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX3coWDnTrU

A theme that is showcased right at the end of the film, after it spent two hours wallowing in its own misery.

If that's what you call misery than I prefer this "Misery" over stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrDXseJRJIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ohTJp3PAA

I'll be the first to admit that comedy is subjective, but without these moments of levity the mood becomes too somber and audiences risk losing connection with the characters. One of the best examples of this is in Saving Private Ryan: just before the Germans arrive, they're all swapping stories about mundane shit that happened back home and it is both funny and a little touching. That's what Man of Steel lacked, although I had other philosophical conflicts with it as well. I mean I might be excited if there was a more pronounced contrast between Batman and Superman but all I see are two people miserable and angry in equal measure getting into what has all the dramatic force of a schoolyard spat because WB and the creative team behind this leviathan of angst are so intent at sucking the overrated dick of The Dark Knight Returns. It's boring, it's hackneyed and insulting to both the major players - the DCAU handled the first meeting of these two better than this is shaping up to be.

Also, this version of Lex Luther is shaping up to be the worst since Gene Hackman.

Gordon_4:

Samtemdo8:

Gordon_4:

A theme that is showcased right at the end of the film, after it spent two hours wallowing in its own misery.

If that's what you call misery than I prefer this "Misery" over stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrDXseJRJIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ohTJp3PAA

I'll be the first to admit that comedy is subjective, but without these moments of levity the mood becomes too somber and audiences risk losing connection with the characters. One of the best examples of this is in Saving Private Ryan: just before the Germans arrive, they're all swapping stories about mundane shit that happened back home and it is both funny and a little touching. That's what Man of Steel lacked, although I had other philosophical conflicts with it as well. I mean I might be excited if there was a more pronounced contrast between Batman and Superman but all I see are two people miserable and angry in equal measure getting into what has all the dramatic force of a schoolyard spat because WB and the creative team behind this leviathan of angst are so intent at sucking the overrated dick of The Dark Knight Returns. It's boring, it's hackneyed and insulting to both the major players - the DCAU handled the first meeting of these two better than this is shaping up to be.

Also, this version of Lex Luther is shaping up to be the worst since Gene Hackman.

1. I agree about the example of Saving Private Ryan, but did those moments of levity and humor had to happen DURING the battles and not before or after? One of the worse things about the second Avengers movie was the innappropriate comedy during certain parts. And dont' get me started on the character of Ultron. It was a mistake that thet based his personality on Tony Stark :P

2. I'll be the first to admit that the DCAU is pretty much the perfect portrayal of DC heroes even better than DC live action movies past (Superman 1977) and future, even better than this Marvel Cinematic Universe and its Cartoons because Animation is superior to live action.

As to the Dark Knight Returns well I own the comic and watched the Animated Adaption and personally I like the first half better then the second more.

But I agree with Frank Miller on one thing that Superman and Batman should be at the very least Rivals. Superman Lawful Good Paragon of Justice while Batman is a Chaotic Good Vigilante that will do anything for the greater good.

Its a much more interesting relationship than just being allies right off the bat. And it adds to the character development of both characters that they will become the closest of friends.

cdjones2112:
Press X to doubt, that being said I'd totally be down for a 4 hour long cut.
More long movies and less two parters is a direction I totally support

4 hours of superheroes...glorious *_*

Samtemdo8:

mrverbal:
The first warning sign this was going to be massively overstuff was the title. Batman VS superman - besides being a god awful idea (Spoiler: the one who should win, sans plot contrivance, is the one who is in the top small-n most powercharacters in pretty much any fictional medium (and if we get to count superman one million, possibly any work of fiction including the bible)) already needed at a minimum 2 massive ego-characters plus at least one massive villian to bring them together at the end.

But now we have doomsday, luthor, some newspaper mogul who is relevant somehow, evil nick fury, and at least one or two I've forgotten. Plus Aquaman, Wonderwoman, Cyborg, and maybe the flash and green lantern.

That's not a movie, it's a 22 episode TV season. I was pretty much not the target audience for this anyway (Because the first one was god-awful, even for a superman film) but I can't see this being better than clusterfuck.

1. Evil Nick Fury? News Papaer Mogul?

Amanda Waller (Read John Ostrander's 80's run of Suicide Squad. Seriously. Read it.They're conveniently starting to collect the whole thing in trade paperbacks.)
Morgan Edge. For a while in the 70's and early 80's Clark Kent was working for him

.

McMarbles:

Samtemdo8:

mrverbal:
The first warning sign this was going to be massively overstuff was the title. Batman VS superman - besides being a god awful idea (Spoiler: the one who should win, sans plot contrivance, is the one who is in the top small-n most powercharacters in pretty much any fictional medium (and if we get to count superman one million, possibly any work of fiction including the bible)) already needed at a minimum 2 massive ego-characters plus at least one massive villian to bring them together at the end.

But now we have doomsday, luthor, some newspaper mogul who is relevant somehow, evil nick fury, and at least one or two I've forgotten. Plus Aquaman, Wonderwoman, Cyborg, and maybe the flash and green lantern.

That's not a movie, it's a 22 episode TV season. I was pretty much not the target audience for this anyway (Because the first one was god-awful, even for a superman film) but I can't see this being better than clusterfuck.

1. Evil Nick Fury? News Papaer Mogul?

Amanda Waller (Read John Ostrander's 80's run of Suicide Squad. Seriously. Read it.They're conveniently starting to collect the whole thing in trade paperbacks.)
Morgan Edge. For a while in the 70's and early 80's Clark Kent was working for him

.

Oh I am well aware of the character of Amanda Waller:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruwIBT-noAs

And I find it sad that people just call here Evil Nick Fury with a vagina. I mean if the DC movies introduce Darkseid I just know people will call him a Thanos clone sadly :P

tzimize:

cdjones2112:
Press X to doubt, that being said I'd totally be down for a 4 hour long cut.
More long movies and less two parters is a direction I totally support

4 hours of superheroes...glorious *_*

Put that into perspective, that's 'The Return of the King' Extended edition length. Theatrical Return of the King was less than 3 and a half hours.

Put that into further perspective, that means they can only show the movie ~3 times per screen per day. Avengers could do ~6. That cuts ticket sales in half and the theaters won't want to dedicate a large number of screens to 3 shows per day. I'd put money on the film getting cut to under 3 hours, maybe even having that run time cut in half.

But don't worry, the director says it won't be Overstuffed.

It might not be overstuffed with heroes, judging by the cast list for the movie. Batman, Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Cyborg and Flash (rumoured) but given the political tones, the big confrontation, the build-up, (A)Lex Luthor involvement in the plot, the initial confrontation, plus the backflashes for the main two, the reasons for the other three to be involved other than DC saying "It worked for Marvel.", the resolution of the big fight plus the reveal of the real enemy (Probably Luthor) plus there is the whole showing of Zod's body, plus 4 people in the casting list who haven't been assigned roles, plus the one person who will be revealed on the day this movie is coming out...

I don't have high expectations for the movie, because the whole thing feels like DC trying to compete with Marvel. It is like someone training for the 2000 Olympics, today.

Samtemdo8:
I don't mind if this movie is "bloated" because personally I like long 4 hour movies. I don't want a 2 hour roller coaster ride. I want a 4 hour epic.

See that's the problem; you're not getting the 4 hour epic, you're getting the 2 hour trimmed down version cramming in as much content as they can to try and make up for the 2 hours of lost content "bloated" version. If they had 4 hours of story based content then there's 4 hours of content! Taking out half of it could mean that the leftover half ends up an incoherent mess with no logical progression or explanation.

The more I hear about this movie the less hope I have for it - and this is coming from someone that's a fan of Batman and didn't mind the Superman movie (despite there being several story decisions that just didn't make sense or make for a good cut).

VoidWanderer:
I don't have high expectations for the movie, because the whole thing feels like DC trying to compete with Marvel. It is like someone training for the 2000 Olympics, today.

Exactly! They want to catch up to what Marvel has done by shoehorning in so many characters at once rather than developing any of them. If they pull this off, it will be amazing because this is the type of move that usually spells doom for a movie.

SmugFrog:

Samtemdo8:
I don't mind if this movie is "bloated" because personally I like long 4 hour movies. I don't want a 2 hour roller coaster ride. I want a 4 hour epic.

See that's the problem; you're not getting the 4 hour epic, you're getting the 2 hour trimmed down version cramming in as much content as they can to try and make up for the 2 hours of lost content "bloated" version. If they had 4 hours of story based content then there's 4 hours of content! Taking out half of it could mean that the leftover half ends up an incoherent mess with no logical progression or explanation.

The more I hear about this movie the less hope I have for it - and this is coming from someone that's a fan of Batman and didn't mind the Superman movie (despite there being several story decisions that just didn't make sense or make for a good cut).

VoidWanderer:
I don't have high expectations for the movie, because the whole thing feels like DC trying to compete with Marvel. It is like someone training for the 2000 Olympics, today.

Exactly! They want to catch up to what Marvel has done by shoehorning in so many characters at once rather than developing any of them. If they pull this off, it will be amazing because this is the type of move that usually spells doom for a movie.

Why only Batman? Is he really the only DC hero that matters to you? Man I feel sorry for the rest of the DC heroes.

And if going by that logic Marvel is suffering from the same problem I mean look me in the eye and tell me Age of Ultron wasn't a bloated mess? I mean seriously I heard they cut an hour of footage from the theatrical release.

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