MSNBC Wants More Sex (and Wangs) In Games

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MSNBC Wants More Sex (and Wangs) In Games

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From Hot Coffee to Mass Effect, the mainstream media has a tendency to demonize sex in games - But amidst the hubbub over male full frontal nudity in GTA IV's DLC, MSNBC's Winda Benedetti says Nay! Bring on the Sex! Bring on the Penises!

Boobs sell games. As much as we might want to cross our arms and 'harrumph' at how childish the idea is, there are fewer guaranteed ways to get hormone-fueled teenagers (and hormone-fueled adults) to look at a game than putting a buxom, barely-clothed babe on the cover. From Tomb Raider and Dead or Alive to Fear Effect and yes, Onechanbara: Bikini Samurai Squad, it's simply a fact of the industry.

So why, Benedetti wonders, are people flipping their lids over GTA4's dingle-dangle? Why were people freaking out over a sliver of sideboob as two adults had consensual relations in Mass Effect?

My question then is this: Video games have been around for decades now. Decades. So when are they - and when are we - going to finally grow up?

She raises a good point: approximately half the planet sees an Admiral Winky every day. Sexual intercourse is not only a time-honored favorite pastime, it's necessary for the survival of our species. "[A]dults in the real world have sex. Adults in movies have sex. So why shouldn't adult characters in video games get it on or, you know, appear in their computer-generated birthday suits?"

If Harry Potter can get on stage and show off his tallywhacker in a play, and Ivy Valentine can walk around about to burst out of her top, then why can't Kilik decide to show off his Hermann von Longschlongenstein? Why can't Kratos do the deed on-screen for once?

We've been saying this stuff for years, Winda. Glad you're on board with us - maybe this is indicative of the mainstream press easing up on the issue, and developers will listen? Or will pigs fly before Gordon Freeman changes his mind on what being the "Free Man" really means?

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Is this a hoax? Because I'm seriously safeguarding myself against the likelihood of absent common sense.

Well, that link proves it. There is an intelligent commentator on games in the ranks of mainstream news!

Congratulations, this must be the single article with the highest density of penis monikers!
Like it.

RebelRising:
Is this a hoax? Because I'm seriously safeguarding myself against the likelihood of absent common sense.

Well, that link proves it. There is an intelligent commentator on games in the ranks of mainstream news!

Indeed! I'm somewhat amazed!

That said, I think the reason games haven't "Grown up" as she puts it is -because- she's the first intelligence mainstream news commentor...well, ever! I mean, Mass Effect took a step in that direction, and what does it get as way of reaction? "Se"xbox from the "Burn this flith - someone think of the children" crowd.

Admiral Winky.
*giggle*
I'm so mature.

EDIT: Good for them, and I don't specifically mind sex in games, nor do I think people should freak out about it, but it's not a draw for me.

John you couldn't have picked a better picture when dealing with an article about the mature depiction of sex in videogames than DOA? Seriously, that was your only option?

If the depiction is actually expressive and meaningful, if it is artistically valid and a depiction of deeper feelings within the characters, then sex in videogames is a good thing. So far, all the games that get in trouble for this show sex in the most immature way possible. I think we need to see someone who actually does games with a definite romance and feelings of love between characters well to show on screen sex, then we can move foward.

Somebody call Fumito Ueda and see if he'll do it.

Have you clicked the link? She's a game writer, even if it's just for MSNBC - a game writer nonetheless. This doesn't represent mainstream media.

I think we'll still have to wait for some time until we get this kind of statement from senior commentors and news anchors. Because the only way you can say stupid things about video games like Se*xbox and the like is by not playing games yourself. People who have never really played video games seem to think of all video games as a technically upgraded version of Pac Man, or Doom, maybe, that only kids have fun at. And then they see any reference to sex thrown in it and go mad. I think that's quite understandable within certain boundaries - although these boundaries can be found in some people's job descriptions)

The generation mainstream news media cares most about is the generation that mostly don't play video games and are completely unfamiliar with them. And that's exactly the people making mainstream media as well. That will change over time, and so will the coverage of video games.

Indigo_Dingo:
John you couldn't have picked a better picture when dealing with an article about the mature depiction of sex in videogames than DOA? Seriously, that was your only option?

No, but I think it certainly fits the CURRENT image of sex in videogames just fine :P

CantFaketheFunk:

Indigo_Dingo:
John you couldn't have picked a better picture when dealing with an article about the mature depiction of sex in videogames than DOA? Seriously, that was your only option?

No, but I think it certainly fits the CURRENT image of sex in videogames just fine :P

A porn simulator. How very depressing.

Sexuality can be as acceptably portrayed in video games as much as any other form of entertinment, and should. Everyone who disagrees needs to get over themselves and grow up.

We do it in real life, i mean as long as no kiddies are playing, it should be acceptable. As i have said before nudity in video games either adds to the exeperience or makes it compete crap.

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Indigo_Dingo:

CantFaketheFunk:

Indigo_Dingo:
John you couldn't have picked a better picture when dealing with an article about the mature depiction of sex in videogames than DOA? Seriously, that was your only option?

No, but I think it certainly fits the CURRENT image of sex in videogames just fine :P

A porn simulator. How very depressing.

DOA isn't a porn simulator, it's a damn C**ktease simulator. There's no actual sex or nudity, just alot of almost nudity and suggestive 'games'.

You want a Porn Simulator, go to Japan. Sexy Beach 3, I believe it's called.

TsunamiWombat:
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Indigo_Dingo:

CantFaketheFunk:

Indigo_Dingo:
John you couldn't have picked a better picture when dealing with an article about the mature depiction of sex in videogames than DOA? Seriously, that was your only option?

No, but I think it certainly fits the CURRENT image of sex in videogames just fine :P

A porn simulator. How very depressing.

DOA isn't a porn simulator, it's a damn C**ktease simulator. There's no actual sex or nudity, just alot of almost nudity and suggestive 'games'.

So a softcore porn simulator. The difference is largely negligible in terms of its maturirty, just the depths of its perversion.

Indigo_Dingo:
So a softcore porn simulator. The difference is largely negligible in terms of its maturirty, just the depths of its perversion.

Just as even the simplest of games can entertain, so too can the simplest of human interests (the basest, some decry). Sure, the industry is rife with immature treatment of the subject, but even if you pack the shelves with titles that deal with sex in a sophisticated, mature manner, there will still be the need for the immature. Just take a look at the movie industry - some of the top movies, rated as intended for adults, aren't what I'd call sophisticated or mature.

Demonizing the existing gaming environment won't get what we're looking for released, plus it's denying human nature, so better to save the effort to more positive ends.

Grow up? Really? There are ways to have sex and nudity in entertainment and have it be respectfully and meaningfully done.. But hardly anyone does that! It's more of a ,"Hey, don't forget to add the sex scene to attract those people that like it!" not a, "Hey, people in a similar situation would have sex at this point, so let's have a scene that's more about the emotions involved and less about showing breasts and butts."

So until game developers themselves grow up and can go about including sex in a mature manner, don't force it into games. Give games something to stand out from the other forms of entertainment, even if it's as simple as "We refrain from having senseless sex scenes that have no effect on character development or the plot."

Well to be honest I don't care if I never see a single penis in a game. The problem with people is that they still attach games to children. And children shouldn't be exposed to this sort of thing. Its why people get up and arms about violence. Children shouldn't be exposed to it. They don't realize that gaming has now covers a much larger spectrum of society than just kids. Its for adults that haven't grown up yet, or just wanna have fun.
The same can be pointed out to comics. Back in the early 80s-90s when they put the ban on violence in comics, because they still assumed that comics were for kids. You can read stuff these days, from sin city to sandman, its all for an adult market. (Because kids don't have money, lol.)
I guess what i'm trying to say is cut the general public some slack. When they realize that (some) games are for adults, thats when we will all grow up.

P.s. Bring on the DOA girls!

paulgruberman:

Indigo_Dingo:
So a softcore porn simulator. The difference is largely negligible in terms of its maturirty, just the depths of its perversion.

Just as even the simplest of games can entertain, so too can the simplest of human interests (the basest, some decry). Sure, the industry is rife with immature treatment of the subject, but even if you pack the shelves with titles that deal with sex in a sophisticated, mature manner, there will still be the need for the immature. Just take a look at the movie industry - some of the top movies, rated as intended for adults, aren't what I'd call sophisticated or mature.

Demonizing the existing gaming environment won't get what we're looking for released, plus it's denying human nature, so better to save the effort to more positive ends.

Thatrs just that idea that just because we can do somethin, we should. The immature isall well and good, but can we really allow it when it is there in abscence of a sophisticated treatment of the *ahem* activity in question? Meaning that now, sex in videogames has only things like DOA colouring it (yet another reason why that series should just be taken out back and shot, as well as Ninja Gaiden for that matter), which not only allows fodder for people attempting to demonize gaming, as well as allowing people to say that gaming cannot have artistic merit, but it discourages people who could actually bring something meaningful to the depiction of sex in gaming. Immaturity came so much out in front of maturity in gaming its not funny (hell, the first game to ever feature sex was a rape game - and no, it was actually made by an American company) and has set the taste for all others.

How often do we see willies flopping around in Hollywood movies or on TV? Not often unless it's a porno.

johnx61:
How often do we see willies flopping around in Hollywood movies or on TV? Not often unless it's a porno.

Or The Watchmen.

johnx61:
How often do we see willies flopping around in Hollywood movies or on TV? Not often unless it's a porno.

There is one in Fight Club if only for a second.

As for the topic, I belive that nudity should be more preavlent but games started out as entertainment for kids and a lot of close minded people believe it should stay that way. Think about it. Pong the first video game ever was designed for kids. People will one day see video games as more than a kids medium but as to how long it will be is anyone's guess.

Do you suppose there will ever be a point when Sony and Microsoft start to support the development of AO rated games and allow them to be released on their systems? I think that AO games would be a great step in video gaming mainstream and that sales would spike. I think that the amount of minors that would get a hold of them would be relatively minimal (the bastards at Game Stop try to card me when I try to buy M rated games and I'm 25). Well I hope Sony figures it out before history repeats it self (lets not forget what porn restrictions did to Beta tape players, Beta still a better format than VHS).

As for the current amount of nudity in video games I don't think it's a problem. Whether nudity in games is tasteful and serves a purpose or it's mindless and designed for the immature I think that the biggest thing that people need to remember is that these games are rated M. They are not designed for children and if people are worried about children getting access to them education campaigns should be launched, directed at the parents.

Cantfakethefunk just wanted this story so he could use as many nicknames for penises as he could think of... You all know it.

Anyone else just smell a money-grabbing scheme for the video game industry. I wanna see censorship groupies get up in arms over gore. Not just violence. I mean, real gore. Something new and different for a change.

Wanderer1911:
Do you suppose there will ever be a point when Sony and Microsoft start to support the development of AO rated games and allow them to be released on their systems? I think that AO games would be a great step in video gaming mainstream and that sales would spike. I think that the amount of minors that would get a hold of them would be relatively minimal (the bastards at Game Stop try to card me when I try to buy M rated games and I'm 25).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge

The opposition rests.

Wanderer1911:
Do you suppose there will ever be a point when Sony and Microsoft start to support the development of AO rated games and allow them to be released on their systems? I think that AO games would be a great step in video gaming mainstream and that sales would spike. I think that the amount of minors that would get a hold of them would be relatively minimal (the bastards at Game Stop try to card me when I try to buy M rated games and I'm 25). Well I hope Sony figures it out before history repeats it self (lets not forget what porn restrictions did to Beta tape players, Beta still a better format than VHS).

As for the current amount of nudity in video games I don't think it's a problem. Whether nudity in games is tasteful and serves a purpose or it's mindless and designed for the immature I think that the biggest thing that people need to remember is that these games are rated M. They are not designed for children and if people are worried about children getting access to them education campaigns should be launched, directed at the parents.

If you bought and actually liked Postal or it's sequel, Postal II, please stand now... Wow, I see a lot of people sitting down.

Point is, most games that are AO aren't using sex and gorey violence as additional attraction. It's the only attratction for those kind of games. Porn is kind of a...passive activity, at least in that sense.

(Yah, I'm not continuing with that analogy.)

Well well well, it is about time we get someone on the news that is trying to pander to us!

Its an easy enough equation.

mention the sex: double your sales figures.

Because most games can't tell a realistic story to save their life to begin with - I don't think that will change with CG dolls flailing naked on screen.

I'm not opposed to sex in video games, but given that I can't hire a movie these days without some obligatory sex scene (even implied ones in freakin "family" movies) I dread to see where this could go. I've noticed in The Simpsons that Marge and Homer get it on or talk about it a lot more, which means my young kids can no longer watch it (a lot of the more subversive adult humour goes over their heads) and that's a shame.

The game The Darkness managed to generate what felt like an intimate, caring relationship without the need to show or even hint of them bumping uglies and the Mass Effect scene was tastefully done. What's wrong with leaving things the way they are? If I want to have sex I'll go have sex, not go and play it on a game.
I want to do things in games that I can't do in real life, like save the world or smash cars to bits with my bare hands.

I don't think we need every game out there to be a nightmare of Hot Coffee and Jiggle Physics. But I can't take seriously, the opinions of someone who works for MSNBC. Last time I checked, they employ Janeane Garofolo as an analyst. Her use of the word "teabagger" to describe conservatives shows that she either has no idea what that term means, or she does know what it means and thinks that those people would actually have a clue what she's talking about.

I'm not a teetotaler, of course.(slight pun) But the gaming industry already has an image problem. I don't think embracing pornographic imagery is the right step. Nothing wrong with proudly displaying some hot knockers. God knows Hollywood does it constantly. But since a vast majority of the gaming populace is male, is it any surprise that we see a lot of knockers and no willies? And keep in mind that there really aren't that many games that feature full frontal nudity, male or female. So I don't even no why that's being brought up in comparison to chicks with stacked racks.

In retrospect, this entire concept is causing me brain trauma.

I've seen some Sims 2 mods that show that some cats should be left in the bag.

(Who puts cats in bags, anyway? Cats hate bags.)

YES, all your boob now belong to us.

It's about time all those hours I spend makeing nice with my female party members REALLY starts to pay off.

Yeah! More penises!

*cough* I mean...games need to be more mature, yeah....that's it.

SimuLord:
(Who puts cats in bags, anyway? Cats hate bags.)

I've heard that before but, I can't remember where.

I agree w/ Winda though. I've never understood the double standard w/ movies and games. Sex in games is not a selling point for me. I didn't even know there was sex in Mass effect until I got to that part of the story.

As long as it's done tastefully and fits in with the story (Mass Effect is probably the best example I can think of at the moment) and is not just thrown in to attract more customers then I say yes, bring it on.

It is time games were treated like the equal form of media they are, not just as children's toys, but as a real and valid way to telling a story just as well as any book or film.

The only admiral winky i like is the one attached to me.
but that's me, i wouldn't want everyone to be like me.

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