Report: Mass Effect Put on Indefinite Hold

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Report: Mass Effect Put on Indefinite Hold

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Sources are claiming that BioWare's Montreal studio has been downsized, and work on new Mass Effect titles has been put on ice.

Mass Effect: Andromeda was not as well received by critics and the public as its predecessors, and that reaction is reportedly having some lasting effects at BioWare. Sources close to Kotaku have claimed that not only has the developer's Montreal studio been downsized, but the entire Mass Effect franchise has been put on ice for now.

BioWare Montreal is the studio responsible for Andromeda, and last month a number employees were transferred to the studio EA Motive, also based in Montreal, to work on Star Wars Battlefront 2. Those remaining at BioWare Montreal will help support BioWare's other games including the new intellectual property that was recently delayed.

Electronic Arts issued the following statement:

Our teams at BioWare and across EA put in tremendous effort bringing Mass Effect Andromeda to players around the world. Even as BioWare continues to focus on the Mass Effect Andromeda community and live service, we are constantly looking at how we're prepared for the next experiences we will create.

The teams in EA Worldwide Studios are packed with talent, and more than ever, we are driving collaboration between studios on key projects.

With our BioWare and Motive teams sharing studio space in Montreal, we have BioWare team members joining Motive projects that are underway. We're also ramping up teams on other BioWare projects in development.

There will be much more to come from BioWare in the years ahead.

Source: Kotaku

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Huh, thought Andromeda sold better than that.

Still don't really care though. There were several things they could have done to make me care about mass effect after the fuckawful ending of the trilogy, and they did none of them.

I'd say farewell to a once great series, but I already did that years ago. I'm only commenting because.... I'm really really bored, I guess.

GOOD! ME:A was a total dumpster fire. I love to watch hubris destroy stuff I hate.

On a more level headed note, I like the way the AAA Industry is responding to consumers.

"Assassin's Creed didn't sell well this time? Let's take a break."

"Andromeda wasn't received well? Let's focus on other stuff."

Its nice to know that they aren't tied down to something that clearly isn't going in a good direction.

And you never know, maybe they'll come back to these franchises with renewed vigor.

Good. They made a bad game, they deserve to get shit-canned as a result.

So...although unanswered questions from ME:A are going to remain unanswered? Like...basically the entire game? Smooth, BioWare. I know Andromeda wasn't the greatest game, but I'd still like to know what happens. I was kind of hoping you guys would learn from the mistakes and strive to make it better--like you've been saying you were going to do--but apparently tucking your tails and running is the better choice.
Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Well that's... disappointing, but not unexpected I guess. I wonder if they're still going to go through with DLC for ME:A, they clearly had it as part of their plan at launch.

Quazimofo:
Huh, thought Andromeda sold better than that.

I got the impression it was one of those projects that went on for so long and cost so much to develop that there was almost no reasonable level of sales that would make it "successful". Wasn't that the same problem Mankind Divided had too?

All I know is I didn't buy it. Primarily it was because I was hoping for them to run with the indoctrination theory and the cop out of going far into the future and a different galaxy alienated me from the series. Then when I saw the product after it came out it cemented my decision to not buy it.

*I MAY buy it if it were on sale for $10 or less*

Sniper Team 4:
So...although unanswered questions from ME:A are going to remain unanswered? Like...basically the entire game? Smooth, BioWare. I know Andromeda wasn't the greatest game, but I'd still like to know what happens. I was kind of hoping you guys would learn from the mistakes and strive to make it better--like you've been saying you were going to do--but apparently tucking your tails and running is the better choice.
Thanks. Thanks a lot.

I'm pretty sure that that's standard SOP for video game companies, not just EA/Bioware. Why spend more money on an IP that's gotten middling-to-poor reactions two games in a row? They don't make them for the art, after all.

Geeze, seems a bit premature for EA to do what EA does. I haven't played this one and I likely won't for a while but the Mass Effect name is still going to draw a crowd. If this game finds its way onto the Switch or if I find it for super cheap once I get my hands on a PS4 (or less likely, a PC that can play games from this decade) I'll probably give it a shot. Despite the shortcomings of the third game, I still like Mass Effect...I just wish it was more RPG and less Action...like the first one.

Sniper Team 4:
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I follow people on Twitter that have some insight in the inner workings of the industry, and it seems like a lot of things went wrong with Andromeda that are just now surfacing, the gist of it is that EA seems to be involved with every single problem that happened thus far, from the re-estructuring of the staff, to the funds, to the technology behind the animations, developers were not allowed to polish.

Liam Robertson hinted he knows a lot, but like us, is missing a lot of the details. In other words EA is taking Bioware on a trip to meet its friends Maxis, Pandemic, Bullfrog and the others.

Well, this sucks. I was very happy to be surprised at how good Andromeda is, and sequels were clearly planned for it. If it really is over it will be a sad case of a good franchise killed by a shitty fan base, and that just upsets me.

Sometimes it's nice to see something bad fail. There was no fixing that ME3 ending, they pushed the envelope with a lot of PC-culture meddling that made it even harder to swallow, and it was just rushed ass.

It should have ended with 3.

AD-Stu:
I got the impression it was one of those projects that went on for so long and cost so much to develop that there was almost no reasonable level of sales that would make it "successful". Wasn't that the same problem Mankind Divided had too?

For Mankind Divided it was more the retarded ideas that Square Enix kept forcing in, like DeusExTV or whatever that stupid marketing thing was called. (It was expensive and no one watched it.)

RiseOfTheWhiteWolf:

AD-Stu:
I got the impression it was one of those projects that went on for so long and cost so much to develop that there was almost no reasonable level of sales that would make it "successful". Wasn't that the same problem Mankind Divided had too?

For Mankind Divided it was more the retarded ideas that Square Enix kept forcing in, like DeusExTV or whatever that stupid marketing thing was called. (It was expensive and no one watched it.)

Like the people they sent to astronaut school as part of the marketing for ME:A? :P Can't have been cheap and don't imagine many people watched or cared about that either.

It was Dragon Age II and Mass Effect 2 which showed me that the Bioware I'd loved was fading away. They weren't bad games but it was clear that Bioware was moving away, whether by their choice or EA's, from the type of games that had gained them a following who believed that they could do no wrong.

Surely it can't just be a coincidence that 'hate' has built up around the company the further they move away from the type of games that made EA want to buy them in the first place.

TheVampwizimp:
Well, this sucks. I was very happy to be surprised at how good Andromeda is, and sequels were clearly planned for it. If it really is over it will be a sad case of a good franchise killed by a shitty fan base, and that just upsets me.

No good Sir, there comes a time when you can no longer blame the Toxic Community™ for everything bad.

This was EA cashing in on the brand name, with the B team handling a project that was way over their heads.

Imre Csete:

TheVampwizimp:
Well, this sucks. I was very happy to be surprised at how good Andromeda is, and sequels were clearly planned for it. If it really is over it will be a sad case of a good franchise killed by a shitty fan base, and that just upsets me.

No good Sir, there comes a time when you can no longer blame the Toxic Community? for everything bad.

This was EA cashing in on the brand name, with the B team handling a project that was way over their heads.

He just said that he was surprised at how good it was.

Or did you just ignore that because...?

lacktheknack:

Imre Csete:

TheVampwizimp:
Well, this sucks. I was very happy to be surprised at how good Andromeda is, and sequels were clearly planned for it. If it really is over it will be a sad case of a good franchise killed by a shitty fan base, and that just upsets me.

No good Sir, there comes a time when you can no longer blame the Toxic Community? for everything bad.

This was EA cashing in on the brand name, with the B team handling a project that was way over their heads.

He just said that he was surprised at how good it was.

Or did you just ignore that because...?

...I read the last part of his post about the fan base?

lacktheknack:

Imre Csete:

TheVampwizimp:
Well, this sucks. I was very happy to be surprised at how good Andromeda is, and sequels were clearly planned for it. If it really is over it will be a sad case of a good franchise killed by a shitty fan base, and that just upsets me.

No good Sir, there comes a time when you can no longer blame the Toxic Community? for everything bad.

This was EA cashing in on the brand name, with the B team handling a project that was way over their heads.

He just said that he was surprised at how good it was.

Or did you just ignore that because...?

To be fair, saying you were surprised by how good a game like ME:A was is like saying you were surprised by how dry the ocean is, it displays a blatant lack of objective understanding of your own experiences. ME:A is not a good game, not even a passable game with solid mechanics bogged down by bugs, it's through-and-through bad. Trying to pass off all the blame for the franchise's death onto 'the community' is just putting blinders on.

votemarvel:
Surely it can't just be a coincidence that 'hate' has built up around the company the further they move away from the type of games that made EA want to buy them in the first place.

I think that's a given at this point - you can blame EA for accelerating schedules, or lumping them with outsized marketing budgets that will be impossible to recoup, or for changing the focus of the games from RPG to action, and definitely for shoehorning in things like multiplayer and microtransactions or the change to Frostbite (IDK if that last one is a positive or negative - if nothing else, ME:A certainly looked pretty).

The Mass Effect production team shot themselves in the foot more than a few times too though. Not to keep bringing it up, but by far the biggest fanbase hate of the series has been the ME3 ending and that will always be on Bioware and Bioware alone: there's no way EA would have wanted that ending or the mess that came with it.

This irritates me because I was in the middle of my second playthrough with a third run to be my chosen "canon" playthrough for the future imports.

I had a few issues with the game like anyone else but it was still more Mass Effect :(

DemomanHusband:

To be fair, saying you were surprised by how good a game like ME:A was is like saying you were surprised by how dry the ocean is, it displays a blatant lack of objective understanding of your own experiences.

Wait. Are you reading our minds across the internet? When some of us say "Yea, it wasn't bad" you're saying we're... wrong somehow? Like my 120 hours was me secretly not liking the game?
While I stand by that some opinions can be outright wrong, this one feels a bit dumb to me.
"I like this game"
"No, you're wrong because you don't understand yourself."
"....?????"

TheVampwizimp:
If it really is over it will be a sad case of a good franchise killed by a shitty fan base, and that just upsets me.

"Killed by a shitty fanbase."

People seeing that a game is rubbish and not buying it makes them shitty?

Does this mean I get to call people shitty for not buying enough copies of Mirror's Edge to make it a smash hit? I mean, I would have thought that would be a spitefully petty thing to say, but apparently it's the way to go.

TheVampwizimp:
Well, this sucks. I was very happy to be surprised at how good Andromeda is, and sequels were clearly planned for it. If it really is over it will be a sad case of a good franchise killed by a shitty fan base, and that just upsets me.

Man am I happy that your object of affection was so terrible everyone with standards rejected it.

Ukomba:
All I know is I didn't buy it. Primarily it was because I was hoping for them to run with the indoctrination theory

I don't see how anyone could still have been holding out for something validating the IT to be implemented considering how the EC canonically disproves everything the IT suggests about the ending. After the EC, the only thing about the IT that has merit is the evidence that Shepard was in the process of being Indoctrinated throughout the trilogy...but much like that star that was being affected by dark energy in ME2: Shepard's possible Indoctrination was a story thread that was never developed.

DemomanHusband:
To be fair, saying you were surprised by how good a game like ME:A was is like saying you were surprised by how dry the ocean is, it displays a blatant lack of objective understanding of your own experiences. ME:A is not a good game, not even a passable game with solid mechanics bogged down by bugs, it's through-and-through bad. Trying to pass off all the blame for the franchise's death onto 'the community' is just putting blinders on.

Granted: I agree that the studio had more to do with the game's reception than a toxic community, but that doesn't mean that you get to dictate what someone else considers to be a good game. If Vampwizimp thought the game was surprisingly good then - per Vampwizimp's tastes - it was good. You're welcome to disagree with that if you want, but there is nothing objective about personal tastes and preferences.

Your comparison regarding calling the ocean dry doesn't work because water being wet is an objectively observable fact that isn't based on personal tastes/preferences. Whether or not an individual finds a game to be good and enjoyable - regardless of whatever objectively observable flaws it may have - is still an entirely subjective matter since it is based on personal tastes/preferences.

What a shock.....

Like for a moment, I was hoping that between TitanFall 2 and Battlefield 1 that EA was kinda beginning to learn something finally.
But NOPE, Gotta stick to that business model!

Zydrate:

DemomanHusband:

To be fair, saying you were surprised by how good a game like ME:A was is like saying you were surprised by how dry the ocean is, it displays a blatant lack of objective understanding of your own experiences.

Wait. Are you reading our minds across the internet? When some of us say "Yea, it wasn't bad" you're saying we're... wrong somehow? Like my 120 hours was me secretly not liking the game?
While I stand by that some opinions can be outright wrong, this one feels a bit dumb to me.
"I like this game"
"No, you're wrong because you don't understand yourself."
"....?????"

Liking a game is fine. Pretending that a mountain of failures doesn't exist because you happen to like it isn't.

Maybe come to terms that you aren't a good arbiter of quality? I like a lot of things that I'll be the first to say are in many ways poor.

Hell, what you just wrote is seldom the way the conversation goes. It goes more like this.

"I like this game. It's great. The people complaining are unreasonable and their complaints are petty."
"No, you're wrong. *list a bunch of reasons why the game is sub-par overall*"
"That's just your opinion. I think it's great."
"No, you don't get it. Everything I just listed makes this game quantifiably mediocre or worse."
"OMG, You're telling me my opinion is wrong?! How rude!"

Notice how, out of the gate, saying that "I like thing", wasn't the end? It's always followed either/both a statement saying that your affinity for this thing denotes its quality, and an undermining of the legitimate grievances people have with this thing.

There are some arses that have a bad day and say something dumb, but most of the time, people are fine with you saying "I like thing". It's always the pretensions that your shallow preference supercedes proper critisims that gets people riled up.

In this case, MEA is tat, there's no two ways about it, even the most milquetoast of gaming critics found the game lacking in many areas. That's a bar set lower than most anything. Deriving enjoyment, liking it, all's fair. Acting like it's actually a super awesome game full of potential that was misunderstood? No bueno, that ain't gonna slide with people who try to have standards.

How tragic that I got what I wanted out of MEA (A Female Turian Romance Option) and the rest of the game was so bad there will never be a 2nd & 3rd Andromeda.

Cold Shiny:
GOOD! ME:A was a total dumpster fire. I love to watch hubris destroy stuff I hate.

On a more level headed note, I like the way the AAA Industry is responding to consumers.

"Assassin's Creed didn't sell well this time? Let's take a break."

"Andromeda wasn't received well? Let's focus on other stuff."

Its nice to know that they aren't tied down to something that clearly isn't going in a good direction.

And you never know, maybe they'll come back to these franchises with renewed vigor.

I do like that they aren't trying to shove it down our throats. On the other hand, it's been 5 years since the last Mass Effect game came out before all this. I don't think renewed vigor will solve the problems that arose this time.

But again, I think it's definitely an improvement over just shoving a sequel down our throats.

The Enquirer:
I do like that they aren't trying to shove it down our throats. On the other hand, it's been 5 years since the last Mass Effect game came out before all this. I don't think renewed vigor will solve the problems that arose this time.

Agreed - at the end of the day though this all comes down to the money.

Whether or not the game was actually good is a related issue, though not necessarily the most important one (it's not like there's never been "bad" games that made loads of money).

If ME:A had shipped record numbers despite the quality concerns, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Work on the sequel would probably already be underway internally. Or if the game had been cheaper to make so that it was still successful despite lower sales numbers, same thing. High cost / "low" sales was always going to be a killer though.

All that said, I'll be surprised if this is the last we ever see of Mass Effect. For better or worse it's got brand recognition, and especially in today's day and age that's worth something. It's why we get endless reboots of everything from movies to games. At some point EA will decide it's time to trot the franchise out again because it's easier than coming up with another new original idea.

MC1980:

TheVampwizimp:
Well, this sucks. I was very happy to be surprised at how good Andromeda is, and sequels were clearly planned for it. If it really is over it will be a sad case of a good franchise killed by a shitty fan base, and that just upsets me.

Man am I happy that your object of affection was so terrible everyone with standards rejected it.

Things like this really are just cherries on top of the shitty cake that was Andromeda. I always enjoy getting free fuel for my smugness.

RIP you once great franchise.

Man, I remember when Mass Effect was good and Bioware could actually write a story worth a damn. What happened to those good old times?

Ah well, at least all the other triple A games this year are fuckin' fantastic. Nier, Persona 5, Prey and probably some others i'm forgetting. BlazBlue Central Fiction managed to be the best fighting game i've played in my life and the character roster is completely unbalanced garbage! Really says something about the gameplay when I can play trash tier characters online and still have fun. I still giggle when Terumi pulls off the 8.7k damage cheese with just Overdrive'd chains from fullscreen into Exceed. Active Flow is the dumbest thing...

Silentpony:
Good. They made a bad game, they deserve to get shit-canned as a result.

Assuming this wasn't sarcastic...I don't understand this mentality. Why are we brought up to learn from our mistakes and improve but once a big project fails the answer is to fire everyone?

With that view it's amazing Zelda and Castlevania franchises survived beyond the second installments.

The Mass Effect universe has a lot to offer. I don't think one merely 'decent' installment should be enough to kill the franchise.

On hold? Well, you already have Bioware's new IP coming out, plus the next Dragon Age. All this announcement tells me is that the secondary studio that they used to develop Andromeda isn't going to be allowed to touch another game by themselves. Wasn't expecting another entry in the series for 5-6 years anyway given their pattern.

EA: Uh oh. We fucked up another one. Better hurry up and gut what's left of the development team before we inevitably shut the studio down entirely. Wonder why this keeps happening... Ah well, no time to be introspective. Gotta keep repeatedly making the same dumb mistakes we've been making for years to appease the voices in my head...

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