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The Banhammer and You: A User's Guide to the Forums

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4fromK:
uh ok another question: What the hell is this? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.114283#2083372
there are people on this thread getting put on probation for comments like "Great review as always" and "Never really liked to look of Velvet Assassain anyway, Yahtzee is as funny as ever, no matter what the game!"
Whats with the banhammer getting trotted out for (as far as I can tell) completely innocent posts? I couldn't see the difference between banned posts and thos that went unbanned. so what the fuck is up with this? modnazi much?

That was answered in the OP...

(Hint: look at the time stamps).

Edit: upon rereading the OP, I've noticed that it's not made explicit. They're basically posting that they loved the video before they could have watched the video, hence it's a version of people typing "F1RST!!!!11!" etc. That's frowned upon at the The Escapist, hence they get suspended / banned.

scotth266:

Labyrinth:
Christ man, you should include a bit on Twilight hate threads.

Seconded. I don't care for Twilight (not part of the target audience) but good lord, there have been like 6000 of them in the last month. And that's a LOW estimate.

H.R.Shovenstuff:
Encouraging them.

No, it's not encouraging anything. It's just offering a friendly warning. If they don't listen, it's their fault.

I was joking, I meant you should encourage the Hate threads. As a joke.

Thankyou for this. Me, being a repressed psychotic who, on the last forum site he went to, went on a total crazy killing spree writing absurdly insulting messages on the walls for no apparent reason, am going to try and aim for the Neo(fat chance). Two questions: If I get in trouble AFTER getting the badges, will I still have them, and also, is it not allowed to post personal content (e.g. short stories, etc.) get you in trouble? thnx!

FROGGEman2:
Two questions: If I get in trouble AFTER getting the badges, will I still have them, and also, is it not allowed to post personal content (e.g. short stories, etc.) get you in trouble? thnx!

If you get a suspension/probation/ban after getting the badges, you do not lose them. However, it prevents you from getting the next one up.

As for personal content, it really depends on what you're planning on posting. Off-topic does enjoy a good rant, User Reviews is specifically made for you to post your reviews, so you should be fine. So long as you don't advertise your website.

Lukeje:

4fromK:
uh ok another question: What the hell is this? http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.114283#2083372
there are people on this thread getting put on probation for comments like "Great review as always" and "Never really liked to look of Velvet Assassain anyway, Yahtzee is as funny as ever, no matter what the game!"
Whats with the banhammer getting trotted out for (as far as I can tell) completely innocent posts? I couldn't see the difference between banned posts and thos that went unbanned. so what the fuck is up with this? modnazi much?

That was answered in the OP...

(Hint: look at the time stamps).

Edit: upon rereading the OP, I've noticed that it's not made explicit. They're basically posting that they loved the video before they could have watched the video, hence it's a version of people typing "F1RST!!!!11!" etc. That's frowned upon at the The Escapist, hence they get suspended / banned.

okyeah that makes alot of sense. i just looked at the video and tripped the fuck out. i guess thats why comments that specifically quote from the vid arent banned.

The official forum posting guidelines thread has been replaced by a new, shiny version.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.116826

(I already edited the link in this main thread for you, Krunk) :)

Kuliani:
The official forum posting guidelines thread has been replaced by a new, shiny version.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.116826

(I already edited the link in this main thread for you, Krunk) :)

Thank you very much Kuliani, I was actually wondering why my sticky became unstuck.

I like your new guidelines thread, and how you used the badges in context. Very amusing.

Well, after that read, I'm now carefully stowing all my troll-feed and flamethrowers. Carefully, because the feed smells toxic and the flamethrower tank is leaking.

I did find this thread helpful in the way that resembled something along the lines of, "Mods that actually do their job?! No way!" Thus is my experience of gamer forums, at least.

I'll do my best to skirt lightly around mod-related encounters of the negative nature. Something tells me it would be in my own best interest.

...

Sorry... I'm getting distracted with how this little type window gets bigger when I start filling it up... Oh. Now its stopped.

Anyway.

No. That's it. Thanks for packaging the rules in this neat little box with nice shiney wrapping paper so that it would attract the attention of easily-distracted, hyperactive midgets like me. Let's see if I can put it to good use, now...

Very helpful topic thanks! Was unclear as to why people would get bans and suspensions. Now I am not :)

UPDATE: Added glossary section to the OP. Will update further when I get the chance.

Nice

User was banned for this post.

What? I haven't even said anything!

User's house was set on fire for this post.

Anyways, kudos for the thread, I found it very useful. I aspire to earn the Neo badge one day...

User was banned for this post.

So, the badges that take several months can only be received after those several months from when you join? Or is it before those months are up?

And the guide was really helpful.

Great help for posting treads. Thank you!

cantthinkofausername:
So, the badges that take several months can only be received after those several months from when you join? Or is it before those months are up?

The former, you can only receive the badge after the minimum time on the badge. For example, if you get 100 posts before your first fortnight (without moderator wrath) on the site, you will only receive the badge after those 2 weeks have passed.

K, thanks!

Lord Krunk:

Badges and Bannings

Of the many badges you can receive, three of them are dependent on how your actions have reflected on the community:

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Notable Poster: Known to many as 'Trinity' for obvious reasons, this badge requires that you make 100 posts without incurring any moderator wrath (whether it be Tier 1, 2 or 3), but the badge may only be granted 2 weeks after you join.

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Epic Poster: Known to many as 'Morpheus' for obvious reasons, this badge requires that you must make 1000 posts without incurring moderator wrath. This badge will only be available 2 months after you join.

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Real Ultimate Poster: Known to many as 'Neo' for obvious reasons, this badge requires that you must make 5000 posts without incurring moderator wrath. This badge will only be available to you 6 months after you join; it is an absurdly hard badge to get, and only 3 people on The Escapist have acquired it to my knowledge.

Please note that once you receive any form of moderator wrath, then these badges will be unavailable to you. Harsh, but fair.

Also note that having a thread of yours locked does not result in your inability to receive the badges.

Hmmm, I always thought that it was more of a counter with these things, you just had to do 100, 1000 or 5000 in a row without wrath, not %100 clean of it all. oh well, i guess i won't be getting anything anymore.

p.s. removing the possibility removes all hope after the first wrath, thus removing incentive to stop repeat offenses, the mods may need to take this into account.

Zeeky_Santos:
p.s. removing the possibility removes all hope after the first wrath, thus removing incentive to stop repeat offenses, the mods may need to take this into account.

Which is half the reason everyone believed that it was just a 'Get Banned, Start Again' type of deal. While I too think that that is the better option, the staff did clarify that there are no second chances.

neo here i come lol

very helpful

Lord Krunk:

Zeeky_Santos:
p.s. removing the possibility removes all hope after the first wrath, thus removing incentive to stop repeat offenses, the mods may need to take this into account.

Which is half the reason everyone believed that it was just a 'Get Banned, Start Again' type of deal. While I too think that that is the better option, the staff did clarify that there are no second chances.

Not true.
In some cases, usually months after any offences, a mod may take the liberty of removing all mod wrath from a user's history. Success depends on which moderator is asked and how nicely the user asks.

Thanks for the information.

Pi_Fighter:

Lord Krunk:

Zeeky_Santos:
p.s. removing the possibility removes all hope after the first wrath, thus removing incentive to stop repeat offenses, the mods may need to take this into account.

Which is half the reason everyone believed that it was just a 'Get Banned, Start Again' type of deal. While I too think that that is the better option, the staff did clarify that there are no second chances.

Not true.
In some cases, usually months after any offences, a mod may take the liberty of removing all mod wrath from a user's history. Success depends on which moderator is asked and how nicely the user asks.

I know that is the case, but Wilson is the only person ever to make a concession, and that was once to my memory.

As such, I'm not counting on it that everyone can get a second/third/umpteenth chance. Not to mention that for me to say so would cause the Mods' inboxes to explode.

Lord Krunk:
I know that is the case, but Wilson is the only person ever to make a concession, and that was once to my memory.

As such, I'm not counting on it that everyone can get a second/third/umpteenth chance. Not to mention that for me to say so would cause the Mods' inboxes to explode.

The only time I've ever done that was for a very minor infraction months after it had been issued and the user demonstrated that he understood what he did wrong and stopped doing it.

Have I, from past transgressions?

Escapist moderators post these threads and a good amount of people listen to them (including me)yet i still find many people posting random threads or replies as if they want to be suspended/on probation/banned, it still perplexes me.

Ginnipe:
Escapist moderators post these threads and a good amount of people listen to them (including me)yet i still find many people posting random threads or replies as if they want to be suspended/on probation/banned, it still perplexes me.

It's an issue that will always plague us; some people just refuse to read the Guidelines, or are merely trolls. There are always some, but the majority of us are better than that.

In other news: 19/6/09: Changed link to Ban example in memory of The Necroswanson, and also in response to people wondering about Eggo.

R.I.P. Necro, it's a shame to see such a great guy leave us. That said, with that post you made, you sorta deserved it.

Lord Krunk:

Ginnipe:
Escapist moderators post these threads and a good amount of people listen to them (including me)yet i still find many people posting random threads or replies as if they want to be suspended/on probation/banned, it still perplexes me.

It's an issue that will always plague us; some people just refuse to read the Guidelines, or are merely trolls. There are always some, but the majority of us are better than that.

In other news: 19/6/09: Changed link to Ban example in memory of The Necroswanson, and also in response to people wondering about Eggo.

R.I.P. Necro, it's a shame to see such a great guy leave us. That said, with that post you made, you sorta deserved it.

I can't say I agree with you, I really don't feel he deserved to be banned. Sure his post was a little out of line, and extremely ranty, but banned?! I have seen considerably worse and no bans. I don't want this to sound like I have a problem with the mods but I feel that they going rather crazy with suspending/probations. People are getting punished when they shouldn't be, and people that should be punished aren't.

Anyways, very nice guide, lots of useful tips and should be read by all members before posting. Its good to not have to learn these kinds of things the hard way.

Shapsters:
I can't say I agree with you, I really don't feel he deserved to be banned. Sure his post was a little out of line, and extremely ranty, but banned?! I have seen considerably worse and no bans. I don't want this to sound like I have a problem with the mods but I feel that they going rather crazy with suspending/probations. People are getting punished when they shouldn't be, and people that should be punished aren't.

Being from 2007, Necroswanson actually has quite a big Ban record, not to mention that he only just got out of a suspension (for getting into a flame war with Cheeze_Pavillion) to post that. If I were a Mod, I wouldn't be too impressed either.

And then he said that '[murder] is as natural as breathing'. And he wasn't saying it in jest.

Several members who wouldn't normally be banned have been for outbursts like that, see Pie and Fish Food Carl for examples (I can't think of any others at the moment).

All that said, I agree with you. I really didn't expect Necroswanson to be banned; he was a great member and I'll miss him.

Is there a thread with all the badges listed?

Chiddy:
Is there a thread with all the badges listed?

Indeed there is:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.84454#1204277

Lord Krunk:

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Epic Poster: Known to many as 'Morpheus' for obvious reasons, this badge requires that you must make 1000 posts without incurring moderator wrath. This badge will only be available 2 months after you join.

*sighs* Still waiting to be awarded this one. 1000+ posts with no ban history (according to the Mods) and no badge as of yet...

Machines Are Us:

Chiddy:
Is there a thread with all the badges listed?

Indeed there is:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.84454#1204277

Thanks for that ive been lookign for one for a while
also ive got a thread with over 50 comments, yet no badge??? nvm its up now thx

I still can't get over TheNecroswanson's banning. It is no lie that he was a big part of the community in the early days (that being late 07 which isn't really that early) and the hole left by his departure will never be filled. I would like for his ban to be lifted but I know that will never happen. Judging by the manner of his departure I doubt he would want to come back if he was allowed.

I'm finding it harder to judge the reactions of moderators recently, especially since it seems that Escapist employees have taken up the banhammer (let us not forget March Mayhem). It was easy when it was just Wilsoncrazybed and Nilcypher and even easier when it was just Joe but now we have three Red Guards (Alex_P has been doing a great job, don't get me wrong) and the possibility of any staff member taking up the moderation call. It doesn't seem fair that the users don't completely understand what is ban worthy and what isn't it. The excuse that the moderators can't see everything and that the report function isn't being used is not one I believe anymore. I have seen plenty of people get away with bad posts, bad posts I'm sure must have been reported at least twice. Then we have things like the TheNecroswanson incident in which he was banned before anybody could have commented in his thread. I don't know, it just seems unlikely that TheNecroswanson could be banned for something so quickly. It might have just been timing and an attention grabbing title but still... it seems strange. Anyway, the lines between ban-worthy and not seem to be fading these days. I think something should be done to fix that, what I'm not sure, but something. Maybe restrict moderation to the moderators so that a more stable standard can be maintained? This thread certainly helps explain things but it doesn't tell us when a particular mod is in a bad mood and out for blood.

Anyway, this thread is really helpful. I'm glad someone made it and even gladder it was stickied. Well done Krunk.

Well Simulord, I've gotten nailed on Gamefaqs for talking about how politics have influanced games, and once for posting an obvious satirization of the Resident Evil 5 racism contreversy (at a time when it seemed people were calling EVERY game racist, and not just that one, just to get attention). Never in serious trouble though.

Simply saying that you planned to vote Conservative however does seem rather off topic.

Speaking theoretically however, I do not think that moderators should have any authority to do anything to a post that is on topic for the board at hand, no matter what it says, how it says it, or whom it may offend. I see this as part of free speech. If they create a forum dedicated to a subject that can be viewed publically (totally sealed forums being something else IMO) they should have to allow totally free discussion as long as it stays on that subject or flows a discussion on it.

I say this not because I've been banned a lot (only two places have ever banned me, neither of which had a good or fair reason, but that is other stories), or even suspended all that often (Gamefaqs is the only site that has ever suspended me, once for no fair reason, and once when I was admittedly pushing the envelope to make what I saw as a nessicary point).

My concern overall is free speech in general, and internet forums are actually only a tiny portion of it. See the idea in our country was to limit the abillity of anyone to control what anyone else wants to say (within certain VERY loose guidelines). The laws as written assumed that only the goverment would have the motivation, and abillity to actually censor the people.

However nowadays in "the information age" most communication platforms are privatly owned. The people running them have the abillity to very tightly control who gets to speak, and what they are allowed to say. This can range from someone loading a political discussion by only allowing morons to speak on the side the platform doesn't agree with, to just not allowing certain people or group the abillity to speak at all.

I have a certain issue with guys like Ted Turner, or some random forum mod, being able to control what I'm allowed to say to others due to their "private" stauts, when elected officials cannot do the same thing. I believe someone should be able to create a private platform, and keep things on subject, but should not be allowed to control the content.

I know to many his makes me a jerk, and I admit it's an extreme position (and one I haven't always held) but over the years I've come to the conclusion that private owenership rights of communication platforms have lead to incredible amounts of censorship, political bias, discrimination, and even negative effects on free expression in our culture when it comes to groups like the ESRB being able to "label" games and thus determine when and where they are sold and to whom. Makers of movies and TV shows being afraid to do what they want for fear of not being able to find a platform if they "do it right" or don't wind up retroactively inserting unneeded elements or characters to make it "politically correct" or whatever.

Truthfully, I see internet forums as being very minor in this equasion (I'm mostly concerned about larger networks and such), mostly included on theory. However when you see posts like this it simply reminds me of the greater issues.

In the end the bottom line is that if you annoy the people running a private platform they can kick you off, no matter what it was for. No court of recourse, no appeal. The goverment can't practically force a website to give you access. Guidelines are just that, not laws.

I understand why things are like that, but morally I find it wrong, and I find it mildly disturbing to even have a conversation like this.

>>>----Therumancer--->

Therumancer:
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Let's keep this thread on topic please.

A thing I wonder (and still slightly bothers me) is when I was suspended for asking a (really stupid question on my part) in the WarCry forums, after I appealed it I was still suspended over there but not here. From my understanding, any mod wrath gained in those forums is just the same as any here at the Escapist. I kind of find it strange I was not suspended from here as well.

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