What is it about Nintendo games that make people so angry?

So, I was in the shower, watching some Super Smash Brother salt and was taken aback. I mean, I've seen some salty losers in UMVC3 and definitely some in SF, but the amount of ANGER displayed by the Smash players was astonishing. I was wondering what it was about Smash until I stopped and thought about it.

Mario Party has the meme of ending friendships. I know the firsthand anger of doing everything right in Mario Kart and all of a sudden blue shell after blue shell after blue shell. I've literally played that game since I had my Switch and I've never even seen a blue shell come into my weapon box.

Yeah, Luck and RNG comes into account with Party and Kart. You feel robbed. But what about Smash? Is there really that much of luck? From what I've seen, it's a lot of positioning and knowing your character so well that you can use their moves in ways other people can't anticipate. Yet the salt still flows.

So, what is your opinion? What is it about Nintendo games that brings so much Ire, and what is wrong with Nintendo that they seem to seek out this game design in particular?

I never really played much of any of the Smash Bros. games, but you're right on the money with regard to Mario Party and Mario Kart. The RNG element just feels like crap - when you're the person negatively affected by it. You can be the more skilled player, do everything right, and still lose. That always bites. I've heard theory that Nintendo does it so that the more skilled players will still win most of the time, but it throws a bone to the lesser skilled players so that everyone gets to feel the joy of victory once in a while.

Granted, who knows, maybe there's an official reason floating around. I've been out of the loop with Nintendo since the GameCube.

The latest Nintendo product I owned was the 8-bit NES, so I can't comment with actual lived experience, just views informed from second-hand sources.

I think it because of the market that Nintendo targets. Family-friendly competitive co-op games.
Those that play them usually know each-other very well, or at least spends a lot of time around them, which would be fine in a normal setting and situation..but that RNG function creates an environment that pits friend against friend and family against family in an uneven playground where getting a Lose is something being held against you for the rest of your life, and never forgotten.
Couple that with Sore Losers, Sore Winners, Crazily Competitive people and deep dividing family/friend feuds and the disaster is a certainty.

So..anyhow..Anyone for a game of Monopoly?? ,)

ObsidianJones:
So, I was in the shower, watching some Super Smash Brother salt and was taken aback.

Wait, you have a computer in your shower?

Vendor-Lazarus:

So..anyhow..Anyone for a game of Monopoly?? ,)

Dibs on top hat!

ObsidianJones:

Yeah, Luck and RNG comes into account with Party and Kart. You feel robbed. But what about Smash? Is there really that much of luck? From what I've seen, it's a lot of positioning and knowing your character so welll that you can use their moves in ways other people can't anticipate. Yet the salt still flows.

There may not be as much RNG in the SSB series but when it does happen it can be infuriating. In Brawl there was tripping and it was annoying as hell. Imagine if in Mario Kart you just spun out control for literally no reason. And then there are the items which can sometimes easily turn the tables against you even if you are clearly more skilled than your opponent. This is why players prefer to turn off some, if not all, items. One time I both me and my friend were at about 100% and i accidentally hit the a slow mo watch that just happened to spawn in front of me as I attack. As a result it left me wide open and my friend Falcon punched me into oblivion.

Drathnoxis:

ObsidianJones:
So, I was in the shower, watching some Super Smash Brother salt and was taken aback.

Wait, you have a computer in your shower?

Vendor-Lazarus:

So..anyhow..Anyone for a game of Monopoly?? ,)

Dibs on top hat!

OJ is lvimg in the future man. Also, I'm the battleship.

The reason people get angry with Nintendo games is because Nintendo games are good.

If you disagree with that, just go look at EA's sales for the year.

Tell me people don't love trash.

And obviously I'm generalizing a little bit but I will never pass up a perceived opportunity to throw shade at EA.

Drathnoxis:

ObsidianJones:
So, I was in the shower, watching some Super Smash Brother salt and was taken aback.

Wait, you have a computer in your shower?

Vendor-Lazarus:

So..anyhow..Anyone for a game of Monopoly?? ,)

Dibs on top hat!

... Am I seriously the only person who uses his water proof tablet to watch things while doing hygiene?

Cold Shiny:
The reason people get angry with Nintendo games is because Nintendo games are good.

If you disagree with that, just go look at EA's sales for the year.

Tell me people don't love trash.

Has, was gonna come here to say something similar. I dunno, if we're talking Smash Bros with items, it can be really stupid how they change the game. I prefer no items myself personally, but sometimes an item-based match can be pretty crazy fun if that's the point of the match. A match for fun or one for victory basically

The nintendo games people get worked up over tend to have mechanics where a lucky item can completely shift the flow of the game. Putting in skill and effort to gain a lead and then losing it all cause "lol item drops" can tap pretty deep in frustration pool.

I guess the party games tend to throw a lot of bullshit your way? I remember a lot of Fuck Yous coming my way while playing Mario Party, almost to the point were the winner is entirely randomized.

I stopped playing Mario Kart after the Wii version because its rubber band AI is so broken that it takes all skill out of the game. I mean, being first in the game is a nightmare as I found that you will be bombarded with shells, Bloopers, POW Blocks and Bullets until you lose first place. I now what Nintendo are trying to do, its to help less skilled players like kids. But fuck me, it is no fun to play if you have even a modicum of skill. I have no idea how these games review so well.

So I will not buy another Mario Kart game until they fix their broken AI.

Drathnoxis:
Dibs on top hat!

But...but...I'm always the top hat...I WILL KILL YOU!!!!!!!

Because the (Un)Holy Trinity of Nintendo Multiplayer games, Mario Party, Mariokart and Super Smash Bros, are heavily dependent of RNG. Getting the dreaded Blue Shell or watching someone unlock a screen-filling super[1] is one of those things that makes you question why you're even playing if the game is just going to fuck you over for trying to git gud.

The only equivalent I can think of is CoD's Killstreaks, but even those require some skill.

[1] I have no comment on Mario Party as I stopped playing it years ago

RNG aside, I think it may have to do with the fact that Nintendo was making multiplayer back before the age of online gaming, when you had to use split screen and everyone had to be in the same room. If CoD or another such game was played on LAN you can bet there'd be some rage, possibly violence (and I'm now remembering a news story when that actually did happen during a tournament at a LAN cafe and led to a tragic death, all because someone was mad about losing a match in an FPS game and couldn't control their anger...).

Smash Bros. has such a diverse array of characters that very few players will have the time or patience to learn them all, and thus certain fighters can seem completely unfair when they are pitted against a professional user of that style. I know I used to rage a lot when my brother used Marth's charge attacks, 'sweet spot', and crazy range coupled with two strong recovery moves. Additionally, like with Mario Party, players are allowed to choose which of their opponents to focus on eliminating. It always feels like the other players are ganging up on you, even if they aren't. That's why I try to play 2v2 team games of Smash when possible.

Nintendo make some games laced with elements of sadism, and the people who play those games are often too young and/or immature to rationalize the concept of entertainment. Of course, the same could probably be said for plenty of non-Nintendo games. Maybe it's just more understandable due to Nintendo's target market, but it still shouldn't excuse the behavior.

Because a small sect of people who think they can take their skills to a competitive environment lack self control and an understanding of their skill level in the wider world? Also consider Smash is still so heavy on local with not always the greatest online experience that people don't get a chance to actually fully get bodied online by a great player, it just doesn't have the structure inherently in the games design online for that. Final Destination is NOT the balanced competitive stage Sakurai either thought or joked it was or ever will be.

Because Nintendo games punish player apathy in multiplayer... and now I need one of those waterproof tablets!

Drathnoxis:
Dibs on top hat!

Catfood220:
But...but...I'm always the top hat...I WILL KILL YOU!!!!!!!

Oh, I'm sooooo sorry, but as the initiator, I've already reserved that one for the Bank..(me).

The car is still available though?

CaitSeith:
Because Nintendo games punish player apathy in multiplayer... and now I need one of those waterproof tablets!

The Tablet I have is a Sony Xperia z4... yet I really can't recommend it due to my own. Honestly, I've had problems out of the gate. The keyboard stopped taking a charge the very next day after unboxing. Sometimes this unit will freeze for no issue and then black out, and then I have to restart it via it's restart button combination.

To be fair, I wasn't going to bring it into the shower before that happened. But once I got it working again, I said I might as well.

And it works for that. Again, I'm willing to assume it's just my unit, but I'm not going to put any more money into this brand to find out.

Vendor-Lazarus:
Oh, I'm sooooo sorry, but as the initiator, I've already reserved that one for the Bank..(me).

The car is still available though?

What! I wanted to be the bank too! I was only going to steal small bills...

Well this is what I think of your 'reservations'! *eats top hat*

Try to get it now Catfood!

ObsidianJones:

... Am I seriously the only person who uses his water proof tablet to watch things while doing hygiene?

I didn't know there were waterproof tablets. Even so I'd be leery about exposing my expensive electronics to that much water and vapor. It sounds like it would be fun, though I already spend too much time in the shower as it is.

The anger seen from people playing games like Smash, Mario Party and Mario Kart definitely is definitely pretty childish.

the anger heard from those players though really isn't that much different at all to the shit talking and anger you hear over Xbox Live and PSN from both 12 year olds and older players.

humans both young and old are generally just pretty stupid tbh.

I've just started playing Mario Kart Wii and it can get very frustrating at times. In several races now I've been hit with multiple red and blue shells in a row, as I was in first place at the time, only to be sent halfway back into the pack because I've effectively been stunlocked.

This wouldn't be that annoying but I rarely get red or blue shells.

It feels as if the game wants to punish me for being in front and not being in front.

Drathnoxis:

Vendor-Lazarus:
Oh, I'm sooooo sorry, but as the initiator, I've already reserved that one for the Bank..(me).

The car is still available though?

What! I wanted to be the bank too! I was only going to steal small bills...

Well this is what I think of your 'reservations'! *eats top hat*

Try to get it now Catfood!

ObsidianJones:

... Am I seriously the only person who uses his water proof tablet to watch things while doing hygiene?

I didn't know there were waterproof tablets. Even so I'd be leery about exposing my expensive electronics to that much water and vapor. It sounds like it would be fun, though I already spend too much time in the shower as it is.

Occasionally, I'll put my tablet in a large Ziploc bag to listen to music in the shower; waterproof tech for the price of a 2-cent bag; boom, bitchezzz! May not be living in the future, but I'm certainly living in a dirt cheap, equally effective present!

I don't think picking on just Nintendo for competitive games is fair - It's not just restricted to one company. Nintendo just tend to make more good party games where friends are all in one room being competitive. A lot of people get annoyed when they don't win and some go on an ego-trip when they do, which also annoys other people.

Personally. Mario Kart can make me feel cheated out of a win when I get a shell hurled at me at the last minute when I was about to get first place. But I don't tend to feel the same aggravation if I'm playing it on my own.

ObsidianJones:
So, what is your opinion? What is it about Nintendo games that brings so much Ire, and what is wrong with Nintendo that they seem to seek out this game design in particular?

I always thought of it as the living room experience. Nintendo is still a console you can set up in a room and get a group together and play. Take all these competitive multiplayer games, throw friends and family into the mix, and you've got a recipe for rage.

It happens all the same with other consoles and PC, but they're more about online play. But to be fair, they don't really focus on the kind of brutal, screw-you-over kind of multiplayer games like Mario Party or Mario Kart that really ratchet up the blood.

I noticed that (young)adult fanbases of things that are generally aimed at younger audiences, usually have a noticable chunk of assholes. Nintendo probably isn't different in that vein. As of why? Hard to tell.

Because there's something about how balanced most of the games are?

It's one thing to have a broken game that's easy to go 'o, yeah, that happened'.

But Nintendo is pretty good at making anything OP OBVIOUSLY OP, like...that's the point.

Plus, rarely is a first party Nintendo game BAD...even the 'worst' are usually just 6/10.

Have any of you seen this?

It makes for a hell of a story.

 

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