Game Informer's Top 300 Games

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So, since we need something to gripe about, here's the top 300 games list:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hlsB-HNh05SpaU0Au6Oh2G-ndpsvXAsOJpv8PFlJp2E/htmlview#gid=0

So, on the subject of griping/seeing how many of them I've played, here's my unasked for opinion:

So, 62/300, or approx. 20%.

Anyway, that's just me.

GTA5 at number 4

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seriously.

anyways as expected its a pretty bad list.

Hawki:

21) Half-Life 2 (GTFO)

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what? its one of few geniounly good game in list.

B-Cell:

Hawki:

21) Half-Life 2 (GTFO)

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what? its one of few geniounly good game in list.

Nup.

Half-Life 2 is...fine. It's average. It's got good elements, it's got bad elements. But I can't call it "good." It's too flawed for that. And even if it was, I'd still not put it that high.

Hawki:

B-Cell:

Hawki:

21) Half-Life 2 (GTFO)

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what? its one of few geniounly good game in list.

Nup.

Half-Life 2 is...fine. It's average. It's got good elements, it's got bad elements. But I can't call it "good." It's too flawed for that. And even if it was, I'd still not put it that high.

the level design? the pacing? the story? the gravity gun??

Half life 2 was freakin masterpiece. did you played the PC version or a console version?

B-Cell:

the level design?

Good in terms of aesthetics, average in terms of mechanics.

B-Cell:
the pacing?

Not well done. HL2 has a very stop-start feel. This primarily comes down to its mechanics, as it wants to be both a shooter and a puzzle game. The pacing of both clash tremendously. One moment you're going down a canal at high speed, the next you're staying in one place doing a physics puzzle. The two styles don't mesh well at all.

B-Cell:
the story?

Nothing that special.

HL2 tells its story in an interesting way, I'll give it that much, but the actual plot is pretty basic. Breen is a very good character, but the rest of them...aren't.

B-Cell:
the gravity gun??

Kind of a chore to use.

Oh, there's some fun to be had in blasting things around with it initially, but there's no reason to use it until the very end where you're forced to, and when that happens, you're basically forced to soak bullets while grabbing Combine soldiers. It's not fun. It's a gimmick. A gimmick that has merit, but a gimmick nonetheless.

B-Cell:

Half life 2 was freakin masterpiece.

Disagree.

B-Cell:
did you played the PC version or a console version?

Console. But I don't see how that's relavant. At the most, the PC would give me better control over the cursor/aiming. It wouldn't solve the problems I have with the pacing, or the characters, or the mechanics, or the plot, or anything along those lines.

Making lists to trigger nerd rage clicks is the lowest of low hanging fruit, but its Eurogamer, so I"m not surprised.

This list is interesting. Not because I necessarily agree with it, but because of where certain games are placed. There's plenty of usual suspects in the top, but also some oddities.

Ms Pacman (11) and Galaga (22) usually don't end up that high on 'top x of all time' lists. In Galaga's case, it might not be included at all. A mainstay like Ocarina of Time most often easily breaks into the top 20, but here comes in at 39. Super Mario 64 is not even in the top 50 (it's at 69).

Quite a few high-profile games that are considered classics are in very different spots than is generally the norm for lists like these. Makes me wonder on what basis the list is formulated.

Well that done sure is a list.

Given that's its absent any context or reasoning behind it, it may as well have been made by feeding a bunch of video game titles into a randomizer though.

In the top 30, you'd need to supply some version data on Minecraft, WoW, GTA V, Overwatch ,League, and AC 2. That's some significantly varied games depending on which version you played (and noticably, they do specifically use Street Fighter 2 Turbo)

I feel like this is less a 'top list' and more of a 'games we have in our inventory and hope you fuckers buy'.

Game Informer was always full of crap. They haven't written a good thing since 2003. I can already tell that their list is full of crap. It sucks that they're the only Gaming magazine left, for physical publication. I miss others like one up and electronic gaming monthly. They have people who knew how to actually write and review games.

Given that one of them didn't even have the title or release date right, I'm inclined to take this list with a grain of salt.

Putting games like Half Life, old Mario/Zelda titles, original Doom etc. near the top of a "best games ever" list is the equivalent of putting Citizen Kane on a "best movies ever" list.
Hardly anyone agrees with that but you have to do it because you have to do it.
Groundbreaking =/= best.

This list is a little different than most but it also falls into the "I have to put this on here or there will be complaints" trap.

Vanilla ISIS:
Putting games like Half Life, old Mario/Zelda titles, original Doom etc. near the top of a "best games ever" list is the equivalent of putting Citizen Kane on a "best movies ever" list.
Hardly anyone agrees with that but you have to do it because you have to do it.
Groundbreaking =/= best.

This list is a little different than most but it also falls into the "I have to put this on here or there will be complaints" trap.

"Best of their time" sounds better contextualized? There is also the classic "been there, done that, and it was better the first time" that end up making genres feel stagnant.

Chimpzy:

Quite a few high-profile games that are considered classics are in very different spots than is generally the norm for lists like these. Makes me wonder on what basis the list is formulated.

It was user-submitted.

Hawki:

Chimpzy:

Quite a few high-profile games that are considered classics are in very different spots than is generally the norm for lists like these. Makes me wonder on what basis the list is formulated.

It was user-submitted.

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well, here you go, my opinions on all I've played.

Nethack isn't even on it, the list is invalid.

Edit: And Paper Mario is on it but not The Thousand Year Door? Something is very wrong with this list.

Zykon TheLich:

282 Worms Armageddon. Preferred worms

Curious. Care to explain why?

Zykon TheLich:

62 Secret of Mana. Liked it at the time, probably the first CRPG I ever played

Isn't that JRPG?

Hawki:

Zykon TheLich:

282 Worms Armageddon. Preferred worms

Curious. Care to explain why?

The later ones always felt less precise, like the hitboxes etc were a bit off from their graphical representation. Whether that's true or not I don't know, but it felt like it.

Hawki:

Zykon TheLich:

62 Secret of Mana. Liked it at the time, probably the first CRPG I ever played

Isn't that JRPG?

It's an RPG on a computer, i.e not PnP. That was the distinction I was making. I always assumed that's what the C stood for, do I have that wrong?

Zykon TheLich:

It's an RPG on a computer, i.e not PnP. That was the distinction I was making. I always assumed that's what the C stood for, do I have that wrong?

It was first released on the SNES, so I don't think it counts as a CRPG.

Hawki:
It was first released on the SNES, so I don't think it counts as a CRPG.

British term of computer, generally doesn't make the distinction between console and computer. But then again, wouldn't that still be a C RPG? Point being, it's an RPG on an electronic wizardry box, not pen and paper and it was the first of such I had played, regardless of being J, W, C, X or whatever.

EDIT: This steam discussion feels relevant.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/618458030688606046/

CaitSeith:

Hawki:
It was user-submitted.

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This is just conjecture, but old arcade games in relatively high spots and titles like Link To The Past and Mario Bros 3 ranked significantly above Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time (or any other 3D Mario/Zelda) might perhaps indicate an older audience.

Then again, there's just as many old school classics you'd expect to be up there that are way down the list, so maybe not.

Yeah, I know it's kind of pointless to spend much mental effort on it, but I think how these lists end up the way they are is arguably more interesting than the list itself.

Lessons to take away from this..

* People really like nostalgia.
* No seriously, did I mention people really like nostalgia.
* Noone likes strategy, except for old RTS games with nostalgia.
* RPGs live in a bizarro universe where noone likes nostalgia.
* If you're an FPS, mediocrity is the standard to beat.

B-Cell:
GTA on the list at all

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seriously.

anyways as expected its a pretty bad list.

FTFY.

B-Cell:
GTA5 at number 4

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seriously.

anyways as expected its a pretty bad list.

GTA 5 (Singleplayer) is the culmination of everything fun in a game since the begining of videogames. It's a masterpeice and deserves to be number 1.

And while you don't personally enjoy it, a truly critcal person should be able to appreciate what it has done, and represents to videogames as a whole.

Just like someone who doesn't appreciate art should be able to recongnize the significance of an art peice like the mona lisa ( just picked an easy art reference point).

Well said Lufia. To pretend that GTA V doesn't deserve SOME kind of accolades even if its not your cup of tea only makes you look like the Edgiest of Edgelords lol.

It's definitely a rather....weird list.

No classic Lucasart adventure game on it, but you include The Walking Dead. Fallout 1 and New Vegas, but you also include 3 (which is by far the worst in the series). Dishonored and Thief: The Dark Project, but not Thief 2: The Metal Age (aka the best in the series). Assassin's Creed and AC: Brotherhood are included, but not Black Flag or Revelations, which are far better.

But the worst part is that there's no Tuork 2 in there. Which classifies everyone who made the list as a complete phillistine.

(also A link to the past at number 1? Lol get out of here with your Zelda).

TheFinish:
No classic Lucasart adventure game on it

Grim Fandango and Day Of The Tentacle are on there tho. Nrs. 169 and 242, respectively.

But yeah, there's some odd stuff in there.

I love their choice for #1. Hell yeah, A Link to the Past was awesome. Easily the best Zelda game anyway.

No Full Throttle? Seriously? It had the single greatest line of dialogue in all of gaming, delivered by Mark Hamill himself:

They thought Grim Fandango was better?

These lists are always kind of stupid, frankly. And only get stupider when you extend them as far as 300 games, because then the excuses for excluding something notable become harder to overlook.

Ultima IV was groundbreaking for computer RPGs at its time, but how does one even begin to compare it to The Binding of Isaac or Middle Earth: Shadow of War? It's not even like comparing apples to oranges; it's more like comparing artisan flatbreads to motorcycles. How do you directly rate an innovative game with a (by modern standards) awkward, bulky interface against a visually stunning one that cribs from a dozen others and will be largely forgotten in another ten?

And that's before one even begins to speculate on how a magazine that comes with an upper-tier GameStop membership might be *ahem* "compelled" to include as many games that are still on the store's shelves as possible...

Callate:
These lists are always kind of stupid, frankly. And only get stupider when you extend them as far as 300 games, because then the excuses for excluding something notable become harder to overlook.

Pretty much this; 300 games spanning nearly 50 years of steady technological improvement puts your oldest and latest games nearly in different categories of entertainment making any meaningful comparison an exercise in futility. Pong at #136 beat out Titanfall 2 at #236; I can't imagine by what standards Pong is 100 games better than Titanfall 2. Hell, I can't imagine by what standards Pong is even entertaining unless the other choices are watching paint dry or rigorous masturbation whilst wearing a sandpaper glove.

Still, people love lists, and this most certainly is one; I've played 109 of the 300, so just over 36%. Despite the list being completely arbitrary, I was still glad to see some games made the list: INSIDE (#107, but my personal #1,) Splinter Cell: Blacklist (#179,) Shining Force II (#215,) etc. Then I'm dumbfounded when I see shit like Destiny half way UP the list at #149?? Destiny, but no Halo 3 or Reach anywhere?

Seems a bit random (Tetris, the third best game ever, still?), but I think it's a pretty good list overall. I'm glad to see smaller games like Inside, Amnesia, Journey, The Stanley Parable, and What Remains of Edith Finch on there. No Heroes III though, unless I missed it.

evilthecat:
Lessons to take away from this..

* People really like nostalgia.
* No seriously, did I mention people really like nostalgia.
* Noone likes strategy, except for old RTS games with nostalgia.
* RPGs live in a bizarro universe where noone likes nostalgia.
* If you're an FPS, mediocrity is the standard to beat.

Pretty much this.

Also, as someone who has foolishly spent too much money on rereleases/remasters of both old games I've played but want to try again or games I never had the chance to play to begin with, a lot of them, even just from the previous generation, aren't all that great. At the time our tiny gamer minds were blown but, like watching Pulp Fiction as an adult, shit don't hold up so well now.

As such, I find lists like this (for all media) to usually be exercises in self-congratulatory wank. Film lists especially end up being super Western-centric, which is rather moronic if you're gonna make a list of the best of "all time".

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