Switch Online Service.

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Nintendo announced details on its online service for the Switch yesterday:

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/

What do you think?

i think it's ok. the price for what you got is nice. anyway since the launch, nintendo said that online would be around 20$ and now they adding cloud saving and 20 free nes games instead of one for a month, for the same price...

Can someone quote it or something? I have no access to other gaming websites on daytime.

CaitSeith:
Can someone quote it or something? I have no access to other gaming websites on daytime.

Will a picture suffice?

Launching September 2018
Nintendo Switch Online is a paid service that gives members access to online play in compatible games, a selection of NES™ games, extra features for the Nintendo Switch Online smartphone app, and more.

Battle it out or cooperate with players around the world in compatible games like Splatoon™ 2, ARMS™, Mario Kart™ 8 Deluxe, Mario Tennis™ Aces, and Sushi Striker™: The Way of Sushido.

Nintendo Entertainment System™ - Nintendo Switch Online
Enjoy 20 NES games with added online play for the first time ever, and more games added regularly.

Save Data Cloud Backup
Save your data online for easy access. Details about this feature will be available before the paid service launches in September.

Nintendo Switch Online app
Enhance your online experience for compatible games with this smartphone app.*

Special Offers
Stay tuned for news on special deals and offers for members.

Online play in compatible games and the Nintendo Switch Online smartphone app are free until the paid Nintendo Switch Online service launches in September 2018.

Pricing Plans
Individual Membership
1 Month
$3.99 USD

3 Months
$7.99 USD

12 Months
$19.99 USD
Family Membership
12 Months
$34.99 USD

Sounds good; the NES titles being included with added features are also neat, with more to come. If they end up expanding that library and turning it effectively into Nintendo Netflix that could end up being the great deal in the history of gaming

bobdark:
Launching September 2018
Nintendo Switch Online is a paid service that gives members access to online play in compatible games, a selection of NES? games, extra features for the Nintendo Switch Online smartphone app, and more.

Battle it out or cooperate with players around the world in compatible games like Splatoon? 2, ARMS?, Mario Kart? 8 Deluxe, Mario Tennis? Aces, and Sushi Striker?: The Way of Sushido.

Nintendo Entertainment System? ? Nintendo Switch Online
Enjoy 20 NES games with added online play for the first time ever, and more games added regularly.

Save Data Cloud Backup
Save your data online for easy access. Details about this feature will be available before the paid service launches in September.

Nintendo Switch Online app
Enhance your online experience for compatible games with this smartphone app.*

Special Offers
Stay tuned for news on special deals and offers for members.

Online play in compatible games and the Nintendo Switch Online smartphone app are free until the paid Nintendo Switch Online service launches in September 2018.

Pricing Plans
Individual Membership
1 Month
$3.99 USD

3 Months
$7.99 USD

12 Months
$19.99 USD
Family Membership
12 Months
$34.99 USD

i will add two things to that : the Family mambership can link togheter up to 8 account, and with one membership all 8 account have access to online services. However it's not clear if all 8 account must be on the same switch, or at the same address. If it's not the case, you could form a 8 member "family" with anybody you found online and divide the cost by 8...

Also cloud saving. On the french canadian version of the Nintendo online services page it's said "Sauvegardez vos donn?es en ligne pour y acc?der facilement. (Disponible pour certains jeux.)". Translate that by Save your data online for easy access (Available for certain games).

The Nintendo France online service page also say the same thing: "Enregistrez les donn?es de sauvegarde de votre console en toute s?curit? dans le cloud. Remarque : cette fonction n'est pas compatible avec tous les logiciels" Which is translate by : Save your saves data in security on the cloud. Note that function is not available for all softwares.

So i think Nintendo will put a limit on the size of a save file. So a game that use big save data (i'm looking at you NBA 2K18) mayube not be able to put a save file into the cloud...

Gauche:
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bobdark:
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Thank you.

Ok, I keep reading it and I'm not sure.

The "free" nes games. How does that work? Is it a one time purchase thing ("I got an one year subscription and they gave me these free games forever from that purchase") or is it a "as long as you have a subscription, you have access to these games"

Because if it's the latter (which I believe)... Fuck you, Nintendo. I was proud to see you come back to form. I was afraid you were going to do this, and you did.

I don't want to be tethered to your stupid service. I just want to pay you for games and always have access to them. If I'm not online to check if my subscription is current, does that mean I can't play these games? Like if I go away to a hotel and I don't want to use the hotel wifi, does that mean I can not play those games since there's no online connection? I want clearer and better details so I can start raging appropriately if necessary.

By the way, Never use the hotel Wifi. Ever.

Not sure how I feel about Nintendo putting online play behind a paywall. I knew it was coming and I understand why they'd do it, but it's not pleasant knowing people will have to start paying for something that was offered for free before, even though it won't personally affect me much.

Also, Switch Virtual Console. Get on that, Ninty. Add GBA and Gamecube titles too, while you're at it, please.
And maybe blackjack and hookers too, but that's optional

Chimpzy:

Also, Switch Virtual Console.

Virtual Console is dead. they have literally said "There are no plans to offer the virtual console service."

the old games will be added via the online subscription starting with NES games it seems.

ObsidianJones:
Ok, I keep reading it and I'm not sure.

The "free" nes games. How does that work? Is it a one time purchase thing ("I got an one year subscription and they gave me these free games forever from that purchase") or is it a "as long as you have a subscription, you have access to these games"

Because if it's the latter (which I believe)... Fuck you, Nintendo. I was proud to see you come back to form. I was afraid you were going to do this, and you did.

I don't want to be tethered to your stupid service. I just want to pay you for games and always have access to them. If I'm not online to check if my subscription is current, does that mean I can't play these games? Like if I go away to a hotel and I don't want to use the hotel wifi, does that mean I can not play those games since there's no online connection? I want clearer and better details so I can start raging appropriately if necessary.

By the way, Never use the hotel Wifi. Ever.

Since they seem to be running the same basic model as PSPlus (although cheaper (granted, PSplus includes some TV stuff and Spotify as well)), I'd guess you need a subscription for the free games to continue working (or any game in which you've gotten a service-based discount).

Following in that vein, if hey do the same method Sony does, it doesn't check online for your subscription confirmation. Its stored in the game data somewhere as a license date. So it works offline up until that date that your subscription was supposed to expire.

Can't say I'm particularly enthused about them joining in on dumping their forward porting into the subscription style. They aren't doing the PSNow weird streaming junk that (to my experience) works poorly at best, but its still kind of nuisance to bot just buy the game.

Yoshi178:

Chimpzy:

Also, Switch Virtual Console.

Virtual Console is dead. they have literally said "There are no plans to offer the virtual console service."

the old games will be added via the online subscription starting with NES games it seems.

Hmm, I was not aware of that. That's unfortunate. I'm not fond of online subscription services for games.

Also, apparently quote notifications are buggered again. As are everyon's avatars it seems

Chimpzy:

Yoshi178:

Chimpzy:

Also, Switch Virtual Console.

Virtual Console is dead. they have literally said "There are no plans to offer the virtual console service."

the old games will be added via the online subscription starting with NES games it seems.

Hmm, I was not aware of that. That's unfortunate. I'm not fond of online subscription services for games.

Also, apparently quote notifications are buggered again. As are everyon's avatars it seems

to be fair the subscription is just to play NES games online.

it's also to play new games like splatoon and smash bros online as well as provide cloud back up saving.

Switch online definitely isn't anything to get excited over. but considering that PSN and Xbox Live cost more than double what Nintendo's charging, i feel the price Nintendo is charging for the service is only fair and it will only improve over the course of time with more NES games and potentially also SNES and N64 games being added to the service as well.

Yoshi178:

Chimpzy:

Yoshi178:

Virtual Console is dead. they have literally said "There are no plans to offer the virtual console service."

the old games will be added via the online subscription starting with NES games it seems.

Hmm, I was not aware of that. That's unfortunate. I'm not fond of online subscription services for games.

Also, apparently quote notifications are buggered again. As are everyon's avatars it seems

to be fair the subscription is just to play NES games online.

it's also to play new games like splatoon and smash bros online as well as provide cloud back up saving.

Switch online definitely isn't anything to get excited over. but considering that PSN and Xbox Live cost more than double what Nintendo's charging, i feel the price Nintendo is charging for the service is only fair and it will only improve over the course of time with more NES games and potentially also SNES and N64 games being added to the service as well.

Remember when Nintendo added Wii games to the Wii U? Strong start and then they just sort of dropped it? Same thing happened with SNES games on the New 3DS.

So thinking it will improve over time doesn't really follow. I think it's a bad idea to compare Xbox Live and PSN to Nintendo's online service since those two services aren't offering 30 year old games, the games they are offering are much much newer. Also, they don't need a smartphone for voice chat. You would be better off avoiding that comparison altogether.

Mothro:

Yoshi178:

Chimpzy:
Hmm, I was not aware of that. That's unfortunate. I'm not fond of online subscription services for games.

Also, apparently quote notifications are buggered again. As are everyon's avatars it seems

to be fair the subscription is just to play NES games online.

it's also to play new games like splatoon and smash bros online as well as provide cloud back up saving.

Switch online definitely isn't anything to get excited over. but considering that PSN and Xbox Live cost more than double what Nintendo's charging, i feel the price Nintendo is charging for the service is only fair and it will only improve over the course of time with more NES games and potentially also SNES and N64 games being added to the service as well.

Remember when Nintendo added Wii games to the Wii U? Strong start and then they just sort of dropped it? Same thing happened with SNES games on the New 3DS.

So thinking it will improve over time doesn't really follow. I think it's a bad idea to compare Xbox Live and PSN to Nintendo's online service since those two services aren't offering 30 year old games, the games they are offering are much much newer. Also, they don't need a smartphone for voice chat. You would be better off avoiding that comparison altogether.

PSN (I haven't had an Xbox Live account for years) lets you keep those games forever as well. Don't the Nintendo free games go away when they rotate out of the line up? Also, the age and quality of the games is a big difference like you said. The necessity of a phone app because the Switch can't handle chat is a hassle and kind of sad with the current available tech.

Playstation 4 games free on PSN averages in 2017:
75.4 Metacritic average, 1.7 years old, $21.87 per title[1]

Avnger:

Mothro:

Yoshi178:

to be fair the subscription is just to play NES games online.

it's also to play new games like splatoon and smash bros online as well as provide cloud back up saving.

Switch online definitely isn't anything to get excited over. but considering that PSN and Xbox Live cost more than double what Nintendo's charging, i feel the price Nintendo is charging for the service is only fair and it will only improve over the course of time with more NES games and potentially also SNES and N64 games being added to the service as well.

Remember when Nintendo added Wii games to the Wii U? Strong start and then they just sort of dropped it? Same thing happened with SNES games on the New 3DS.

So thinking it will improve over time doesn't really follow. I think it's a bad idea to compare Xbox Live and PSN to Nintendo's online service since those two services aren't offering 30 year old games, the games they are offering are much much newer. Also, they don't need a smartphone for voice chat. You would be better off avoiding that comparison altogether.

Don't the Nintendo free games go away when they rotate out of the line up?

Nintendo hasn't been clear about that and I'm sure it's because the news is not positive. Nintendo being needlessly vague usually results in bad news.

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Mothro:

Remember when Nintendo added Wii games to the Wii U? Strong start and then they just sort of dropped it? Same thing happened with SNES games on the New 3DS.

So thinking it will improve over time doesn't really follow. I think it's a bad idea to compare Xbox Live and PSN to Nintendo's online service since those two services aren't offering 30 year old games, the games they are offering are much much newer. Also, they don't need a smartphone for voice chat. You would be better off avoiding that comparison altogether.

1. 3DS was not a paid online subscription like Nintendo Switch's is

2. Nintendo did expand the library vastly of both the Wii and Wii U consoles and the virtual consoles did become much better over time

3. Sony also had absolute shit online when they first started with PSN. guess what? they started charging for it and over time Sony made the service better and better. Why? obviously because they want people to keep paying for the service.

Why would Nintendo not want to do the same thing with their online? Hell Nintendo's already making a good start by offering those Family subscriptions so you can play online with up to 8 linked accounts. i don't see Sony or MS offering something like that yet.

4. Why shouldn't i compare Nintendo's Online service to PSN and Xbox Live? Nintendo is a direct competitor and like you said, the games Nintendo is offering at the moment might not be modern, but PSN and Xbox live are also nearly triple the price of what Nintendo is charging.

i didn't call Nintendo's service amazing. i said it was FAIR. that does not imply anything to suggest that Nintendo has the best service. at the moment Nintendo is offering the bare minimum yes but the price they're charging is fair currently imo.

The Switch is also still fairly new, and only starting to build up a sizable library. They'd deplete it pretty fast shelling out half a dozen titles as freebies each month.

PSN and XBL (I'm assuming) do hand out a newer game occasionally (Rocket League came out as a free game on PSN), but usually they're burrowing significantly into the back catalog for the things.

Yoshi178:

1. 3DS was not a paid online subscription like Nintendo Switch's is

Not sure what that has to do with anything. Nintendo quickly gave up on SNES games on the New 3DS and that's a fact. They did the same thing with Wii games on the Wii U. Miiverse, Miitomo and Wii Shop come to mind. Nintendo isn't a star about supporting their own products. BTW, I have noticed that Wal Mart has no Amiibos on the shelf, has Nintendo discontinued those too?

2. Nintendo did expand the library vastly of both the Wii and Wii U consoles and the virtual consoles did become much better over time

Actually, the VC has gotten worse over time. The Wii had the best VC, the Wii U was not as good as the Wii and the 3DS VC was not as good as the Wii or the Wii U.

3. Sony also had absolute shit online when they first started with PSN. guess what? they started charging for it and over time Sony made the service better and better. Why? obviously because they want people to keep paying for the service.

Why would Nintendo not want to do the same thing with their online? Hell Nintendo's already making a good start by offering those Family subscriptions so you can play online with up to 8 linked accounts. i don't see Sony or MS offering something like that yet.

I couldn't say if PSN got better, I don't play online but I am sure there are just as many people (if not more) that say that PSN didn't improve and that this is just a money grab for Sony.

4. Why shouldn't i compare Nintendo's Online service to PSN and Xbox Live? Nintendo is a direct competitor and like you said, the games Nintendo is offering at the moment might not be modern, but PSN and Xbox live are also nearly triple the price of what Nintendo is charging.

i didn't call Nintendo's service amazing. i said it was FAIR. that does not imply anything to suggest that Nintendo has the best service. at the moment Nintendo is offering the bare minimum yes but the price they're charging is fair currently imo.

I told you why you shouldn't compare Nintendo's service to Live Gold and PS+, it's because it only makes Nintendo look worse but if that's what you want, go right ahead. 30 year old 8 bit games, smartphone voice chat and Nintendo is the only company forcing backup saves behind a paywall. Microsoft has free local and cloud saves and Sony has free local saves, Nintendo has cloud saves behind a paywall and nothing else.

You have no proof that their online service (or the basic OS functions) will improve.

If I can play games like Contra or Battletoads or TMNT: Turtles In Time online with my old, in another part of the country, friends...I'd be tempted to get a Switch.

We're all adults, with jobs n' shit, but I know we'd make time to play older games like those.
Hell, we used to play other games online a lot as well.

Mothro:

You have no proof that their online service (or the basic OS functions) will improve.

LOL are you for real?

ok i'm not a Nintendo employee and don't have proof that the new paid online service will improve over the course of time. Guess what though? you don't have any proof that it will get worse over time either.

You're just being enitirely pessimistic and looking at the glass half empty. sorry for being a glass half full kinda guy and staying optimistic about things.

Yoshi178:

Mothro:

You have no proof that their online service (or the basic OS functions) will improve.

LOL are you for real?

ok i'm not a Nintendo employee and don't have proof that the new paid online service will improve over the course of time. Guess what though? you don't have any proof that it will get worse over time either.

You're just being enitirely pessimistic and looking at the glass half empty. sorry for being a glass half full kinda guy and staying optimistic about things.

Well as long as you admit that you are ONLY being optimistic and you don't know for certain that their online service will improve over time. We do have proof that they aren't improving the voice chat.

The question is, why are you giving Nintendo the benefit of the doubt?

Mothro:

Well as long as you admit that you are ONLY being optimistic and you don't know for certain that their online service will[

i literally never said anything to suggest that this a definite fact.

Mothro:
The question is, why are you giving Nintendo the benefit of the doubt?

it's not even a matter of giving them the benefit of the doubt.

it's more of a, Nintendo always warned us that we will have to pay for online on Switch.

either i suck it up and pay the $20 per year if i want to keep playing Splatoon, Smash bros, Mario kart, etc online and try to stay optimistic and positive about what Nintendo will both offer at the start of the service and also in the future.
or i don't pay for it and i'm not able to play any of my switch games online or enjoy any of the benefits of the service. it's as simple as that.

Why are you so determined to find fault in every little thing about the service?

After spending a metric fuckton more on the PS+ for my Pro, $20 for 12 months and offering classic games to play on the go seems reasonable.

If they can deliver discounts for online sales, that would be welcome as well.

Addendum_Forthcoming:
After spending a metric fuckton more on the PS+ for my Pro, $20 for 12 months and offering classic games to play on the go seems reasonable.

if you buy one of the family passes Nintendo will be offering that gives the player online access for 12 months to 8 different accounts for just $35.

$35 divided by 8 is more like $4.38 for 12 months per account which is even cheaper than just buying for one account on its own.

Addendum_Forthcoming:
If they can deliver discounts for online sales, that would be welcome as well.

Indie games on the eshop go on sale quite alot as it is and Nintendo recently did do an eshop sale which included Nintendo's own 1st party games in the sale.

the Nintendo Switch online website says exclusive offers will be given to members and that further details will be announced soon.

that suggests to me that people who do pay for online will get extra discounts offered to them as well.

and of top all that, the My Nintendo program already gives players gold coin points for every single game they purchase which can be used for discounts already. i got Yooka Laylee for less than half price because of the My Nintendo gold coins i'd saved.

Yoshi178:

if you buy one of the family passes Nintendo will be offering that gives the player online access for 12 months to 8 different accounts for just $35.

$35 divided by 8 is more like $4.38 for 12 months per account which is even cheaper than just buying for one account on its own.

I live (most of the time) alone, so ... no need. Like the last time I was living with a SO I was in another country.

Indie games on the eshop go on sale quite alot as it is and Nintendo recently did do an eshop sale which included Nintendo's own 1st party games in the sale.

the Nintendo Switch online website says exclusive offers will be given to members and that further details will be announced soon.

that suggests to me that people who do pay for online will get extra discounts offered to them as well.

and of top all that, the My Nintendo program already gives players gold coin points for every single game they purchase which can be used for discounts already. i got Yooka Laylee for less than half price because of the My Nintendo gold coins i'd saved.

That's true ... and any sales price on top would likely come with reduction of savings elsewhere.

And with Nintendo detailing this, CAPCOM has announced the international release of Monster Hunter XX, now Generations Ultimate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLyiEKCpJrg

Avnger:
PSN (I haven't had an Xbox Live account for years) lets you keep those games forever as well.

Sony, like Microsoft with the Xbox One, only let you use those games as long as your subscription is active. Stop paying and you can't play.

On the 360 though you can download and play no matter your membership level once they've been added to your account.

Hopefully Nintendo follow the 360 method.

Aiddon:
And with Nintendo detailing this, CAPCOM has announced the international release of Monster Hunter XX, now Generations Ultimate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLyiEKCpJrg

Oh fuck yes. This is the Switch release I was really waiting for. Pre-game night we'd sometimes break out the 3DS to hunt together occasionally. This alone will convince two of my friends to make the jump to the Switch as a portable gaming unit.

Say what you like, nothing beats local gaming with some good friends and some shared snacks. Transferable data is also the icing on the cake.

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Addendum_Forthcoming:
Oh fuck yes. This is the Switch release I was really waiting for. Pre-game night we'd sometimes break out the 3DS to hunt together occasionally. This alone will convince two of my friends to make the jump to the Switch as a portable gaming unit.

Say what you like, nothing beats local gaming with some good friends and some shared snacks. Transferable data is also the icing on the cake.

Since you seem into Monster Hunter, two quick questions:

I've never played Monster Hunter before. Would you recommend Generations (Ultimate) as an introduction to the series?

Is Monster Hunter the kind of game you should really, really play coop, or does it work just fine as a solo experience?

Chimpzy:
Since you seem into Monster Hunter, two quick questions:

I've never played Monster Hunter before. Would you recommend Generations (Ultimate) as an introduction to the series?

Monster Hunter is one of the games that you're best jumping into the latest iteration. It tends to add more weapons, new customization options, updates snd tweaks monster fighting anilities and qualities. Revamps and creates emtirely new map and monster interactions.

It's nowhere near as bad as dynasty warriors (1 thru 8) ...

I will say Monster Hunter is like no other game series, really. It's like Dark Souls in that you have deliberate actions and i-frames you need to take advantage of, but not really.

All the weapons handle very differently, damage to different parts of the monster's body breaks off monster parts, cuts off tails, staggers and topples them.

You also have far more tricks up your sleeve. Like barrel bombs, sonic bombs, etcs. Moreover in the harder quests, you often get interactions between larger monsters on the same map that might surprise you and your hypothetical group as you're playing.

It lends itself to 'calculated chaos' ... pre-mission planning, in-fight operations and juggling healing, evasion, knowing when to take advantage, and active disruption... like stopping a monster recharge by eating prey when it gets tired.

It's a player skill-centric RPG. Where simply knowing the monster you're facing, and knowing the maps you're traversing, is more important than your equipment (beyond the power curve that is). So action is periodically intense, tactical, and isn't like anyother game I can think of... but also punctuated by buckets of nuance and environmental interplay.

Is Monster Hunter the kind of game you should really, really play coop, or does it work just fine as a solo experience?

Solo is fine, and the games often offer 'offline story-esque' quest series but co-op is where it shines. And I love local co-op. That's just me. Playing where you can actually talk to eachother in realtime, laugh, and tease eachother for fainting is awesome.

But there is, in most games, stuff you won't likely beat only Solo.

I already have an internet connection thank you very much. NES games don't sound too enticing either.

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