EA on women in Battlefield V; "If you don't like it, don't buy it"

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https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/271407-ea-on-the-battlefield-v-backlash-accept-it-or-dont-buy-the-game

TL;DR
It's a fantasized version of WWII. It's just a game. Why do you care so much about the women in the game?

And the frustrated cries from impotent neckbeards were heard around the world.

An army might have refused to hire female soldiers(that they knew were female anyway). But to pretend women never fought in WW2 is crazy, some factions did use women soldiers and theres also the fact that not everybody fighting in WW2 was in the army, during war random people can just show up with guns and start attacking your enemy, be they part of a political group militia or resistance fighters.

Go look at the Ukraine and its random pockets of nationalist groups unaffiliated with their military fighting to this day.

Is it so crazy to think a woman might have picked up their dead husbands hunting rifle and gone to fight in the resistance after their country is occupied?

I'm glad they are sticking to their guns and not trying to find an apologetic middle ground. The outcry over this was absolutely absurd and deserves to be treated as such

That's fair: either it matter to bugger all players and sells fine or they truly draw a line in the sand and the game fails. Suits me fine.

Fieldy409:
An army might have refused to hire female soldiers(that they knew were female anyway). But to pretend women never fought in WW2 is crazy, some factions did use women soldiers and theres also the fact that not everybody fighting in WW2 was in the army, during war random people can just show up with guns and start attacking your enemy, be they part of a political group militia or resistance fighters.

Go look at the Ukraine and its random pockets of nationalist groups unaffiliated with their military fighting to this day.

Is it so crazy to think a woman might have picked up their dead husbands hunting rifle and gone to fight in the resistance after their country is occupied?

the French resistance had several woman figthing with them. Russia had like 800k women in the army, in almost every corps, and more than a few actually fought on the field, or in the air force

Make your choice, make it the right one, and stick to your guns. Wow, way to go... EA? Wow, its been since before they killed Bullfrog that I've said anything positive about EA. Good lord, that was 19 years ago! They've killed 13 or 14 studios since then. I know we'll find out it was easier, or they put the option in and then couldn't bother taking it back out again... somehow it will have been a decision based on making it easier or cheaper or some other bottom line reason. But still EA does something right. Well; broken watch, right time of day I guess.

Yeah, color me impressed by EA for once, in a good way.

I feel dirty now.

I'm sure they'll find a way to ruin this moment pretty soon, probably by announcing that Bioware will make nothing but Candy Crush clones.

Yeah, makes sense. I didn't like what they did with BF1 and I just didn't buy it. Same here.

Yeah, good on EA for waving off this nonsense. The charge that women in WWII combat are not realistic fails both on the counts of being false and of having little bearing on what should go into a battlefield game since battlefield can and should prioritise other factors over realism.

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point

Seriously though, it's Battlefield. Having a woman with a prosthetic arm on the field as a customizable multiplayer option is probably the least "unrealistic" thing that'll happen in any given match.

"If you don't hate women, show it by buying lots of cosmetics to customize the ultimate Historically Accurate Riot Grrl irregular! Or GTFO, troll!"

So enlightened!

StatusNil:
"If you don't hate women, show it by buying lots of cosmetics to customize the ultimate Historically Accurate Riot Grrl irregular! Or GTFO, troll!"

So enlightened!

Indeed, when the strawmanned statement is still less insulting than the actual statements of people who are upset at seeing a female in the game.

Dunno, if I cared at all about Battlefield, I'd think female members of the French Resistance would make a fine addition to the roster. Especially if they were as cool and beret-wearing as Michelle from Allo Allo:

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"Listen to me carefully, I shall say zis only once!"

That Cockney steampunk cyborg though, I can see why people who want to play aesthetically consistent war could be let down. Me, I've never played any Battlefield, so it was always unlikely I would buy this one no matter what. Unless, of course, to pwn the SJWs. But they played that one drastically wrong.

Gones are the days when WW2 games were all about Men fighting and defending. now for companies like EA. they are doing everything to apease feminist by making historically inaccurate.

WW2 games gone from COD1, 2 MOH allied assault to a game where a female character on cover.

if they want to make female character focus game. they can. but dont force it into WW2 game.

also after battlefront 2. i dont expect anything good from DICE. they are just one of the worst AAA developer today.

That's how it works; you like something? You but it. Unless you have no money, then you steal it or steal money to but it.

You don't like it? Well, go online and complain about it or something as if you were going to but it but can't now and everything is the worst because of it. Because women that aren't your mum or idolised sex object shouldn't exist in your entertainment without ten pages of detailed justification for how and why, but will be dismissed either way.

I like it, but I ain't going to but it. Not until a "complete" edition exists and I've stolen enough money that isn't for the other awkward addictions of food and bills.

B-Cell:
Gones are the days when WW2 games were all about Men fighting and defending. now for companies like EA. they are doing everything to apease feminist by making historically inaccurate.

WW2 games gone from COD1, 2 MOH allied assault to a game where a female character on cover.

if they want to make female character focus game. they can. but dont force it into WW2 game.

also after battlefront 2. i dont expect anything good from DICE. they are just one of the worst AAA developer today.

If you gave a shit about historical accuracy, you were playing the wrong genre. If you actually gave a shit about historical accuracy, you'd be more concerned about the Churchill Gun Carrier tank in the trailer. Which literally never saw combat. Ever. But you don't actually care about historical accuracy outside of incredibly shallow historical accuracy do you?

But please tell me more about historical accuracy in a genre where you can accurately shoulder fire a MG-42.

StatusNil:
"If you don't hate women, show it by buying lots of cosmetics to customize the ultimate Historically Accurate Riot Grrl irregular! Or GTFO, troll!"

So enlightened!

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Good, glad to see a company sticking by their guns to make the game they want to make, you know that thing Gamergate pretended to care about when it was softcore titty porn in an action game and literally no other time?

Frankly I just really wish every single game franchise at E3 would reveal the next game had a female lead or it was rebooted with a female lead or it suddenly includes a diverse cast, like not a single grizzled gunbro in sight. So that all these angry emotionally unstable petulant little shits who whine about stuff like this would all collectively decide to boycott every single game that ever existed, thus gaming can fumigate its beligerant asshole population in one fell swoop and in the aftermath everyone else can just go back to playing and innovating and new kinds of stories can get made.

Sure we lose half but the half that survives knows nothing but full game libraries, diverse casts and clear online forums with nary an alt right meme in sight.

Perfectly balanced... as all things should be

Smithnikov:

StatusNil:
"If you don't hate women, show it by buying lots of cosmetics to customize the ultimate Historically Accurate Riot Grrl irregular! Or GTFO, troll!"

So enlightened!

Indeed, when the strawmanned statement is still less insulting than the actual statements of people who are upset at seeing a female in the game.

Yeah but since we are allowed to strawman now, let's all just create the strawman reaction to announcements like this.

It's relatively easy, all you need is a hell of a lot of 'cuck' and 'soy' and 'get back in the kitchen' and 'women should be our sex slaves' and 'something something black men having sex with white women' and 'I'm an alpha male because I say so! I'm secure, really!!' and the rest writes itself.

Except that's not a strawman, that's literally how they talk.

And seriously if anyone thinks people don't act like that I invite them to go to literally any youtube comment section of the trailer for Gears of War 5.

erttheking:

B-Cell:
Gones are the days when WW2 games were all about Men fighting and defending. now for companies like EA. they are doing everything to apease feminist by making historically inaccurate.

WW2 games gone from COD1, 2 MOH allied assault to a game where a female character on cover.

if they want to make female character focus game. they can. but dont force it into WW2 game.

also after battlefront 2. i dont expect anything good from DICE. they are just one of the worst AAA developer today.

If you gave a shit about historical accuracy, you were playing the wrong genre. If you actually gave a shit about historical accuracy, you'd be more concerned about the Churchill Gun Carrier tank in the trailer. Which literally never saw combat. Ever. But you don't actually care about historical accuracy outside of incredibly shallow historical accuracy do you?

But please tell me more about historical accuracy in a genre where you can accurately shoulder fire a MG-42.

It's historically accurate because manly men do manly things. If YOU cant shoot an MG-42 from your shoulder, you're just not manly enough. Have you tried eating a bloody steak? Maybe telling a woman to get back in the kitchen?

Actually though, anyone who is legitimately finding themselves on B-Cell's side of any argument involving women, should re-assess their life choices.

sgy0003:
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/271407-ea-on-the-battlefield-v-backlash-accept-it-or-dont-buy-the-game

TL;DR
It's a fantasized version of WWII. It's just a game. If you don't like it, don't but it

That's twice...is your auto correct on a bender?

Anyways, surprised to hear EA would risk losing sales by standing up for something greater than their balance sheet.

Good, let the market speak either way. I wish more companies would just tell outrage mobs to sit and swivel.

Vrex360:
Good, glad to see a company sticking by their guns to make the game they want to make, you know that thing Gamergate pretended to care about when it was softcore titty porn in an action game and literally no other time?

Frankly I just really wish every single game franchise at E3 would reveal the next game had a female lead or it was rebooted with a female lead or it suddenly includes a diverse cast, like not a single grizzled gunbro in sight. So that all these angry emotionally unstable petulant little shits who whine about stuff like this would all collectively decide to boycott every single game that ever existed, thus gaming can fumigate its beligerant asshole population in one fell swoop and in the aftermath everyone else can just go back to playing and innovating and new kinds of stories can get made.

Sure we lose half but the half that survives knows nothing but full game libraries, diverse casts and clear online forums with nary an alt right meme in sight.

Perfectly balanced... as all things should be

Smithnikov:

StatusNil:
"If you don't hate women, show it by buying lots of cosmetics to customize the ultimate Historically Accurate Riot Grrl irregular! Or GTFO, troll!"

So enlightened!

Indeed, when the strawmanned statement is still less insulting than the actual statements of people who are upset at seeing a female in the game.

Yeah but since we are allowed to strawman now, let's all just create the strawman reaction to announcements like this.

It's relatively easy, all you need is a hell of a lot of 'cuck' and 'soy' and 'get back in the kitchen' and 'women should be our sex slaves' and 'something something black men having sex with white women' and 'I'm an alpha male because I say so! I'm secure, really!!' and the rest writes itself.

Except that's not a strawman, that's literally how they talk.

And seriously if anyone thinks people don't act like that I invite them to go to literally any youtube comment section of the trailer for Gears of War 5.

Except "balancing all things" isn't even feasible to begin with. It's a nice thought for sure, but is reality still allowed to interject at all?

Agreed on the comment stuff though. If life were fair then those types, and well, all idiots incapable of decency, would be infertile.

Vrex360:
Good, glad to see a company sticking by their guns to make the game they want to make, you know that thing Gamergate pretended to care about when it was softcore titty porn in an action game and literally no other time?

Frankly I just really wish every single game franchise at E3 would reveal the next game had a female lead or it was rebooted with a female lead or it suddenly includes a diverse cast, like not a single grizzled gunbro in sight. So that all these angry emotionally unstable petulant little shits who whine about stuff like this would all collectively decide to boycott every single game that ever existed, thus gaming can fumigate its beligerant asshole population in one fell swoop and in the aftermath everyone else can just go back to playing and innovating and new kinds of stories can get made.

So enlightened!

if it happpen than it will be death of gaming.

majority of gamers/audience are males. second they can create a new IP by putting female protagonist. so why forcing female protagonist into those franchise that are male oriented?

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work.

some of us prefer to play as male characters doesnot mean we hate female characters or we are sexist. but its just our preference. i feel comfortable playing as male characters because im a man and want to be a man in gaming universe.

B-Cell:
?

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work..

Why not?

Also why is girl the feminine version of slayer it's a gender neutral term

Oh no, those damn feminist soyboy cucks are ruining gaming.

B-Cell:

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work.

B-Cell:

some of us prefer to play as male characters doesnot mean we hate female characters or we are sexist. but its just our preference. i feel comfortable playing as male characters because im a man and want to be a man in gaming universe.

Balance those comments out. Explain how Hitwoman or DOOM Girl wont work, while also remaining 'not sexist'.

undeadsuitor:

B-Cell:
?

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work..

Why not?

Also why is girl the feminine version of slayer it's a gender neutral term

Heck, when I think 'Slayer' I think Buffy so if anything 'Slayer' is a feminine term. At least to me.

B-Cell:
some of us prefer to play as male characters doesnot mean we hate female characters or we are sexist. but its just our preference. i feel comfortable playing as male characters because im a man and want to be a man in gaming universe.


Not sure why, but that sentence there really made me laugh, maybe it's the implied inverse what made it funny, implying that the gender of a game character makes someone uncomfortable, in any case, thanks for the laugh😊 Have a good one.

As for the topic, it's nice to see EA standing by their decision, interested to see where this is going.

B-Cell:

if it happpen than it will be death of gaming.

If the mere presence of women kills gaming

Then gaming deserved to die.

majority of gamers/audience are males.

Yes and as a male I take offense to your implication that I would run away screaming at the prospect of playing as a woman. Most of us are emotionally mature enough not to let that crap bother us, is my point.

second they can create a new IP by putting female protagonist. so why forcing female protagonist into those franchise that are male oriented?

You missed the part where in my hypothetical scenario this was being done deliberately to make the angry GG chodes run away. Like I want to piss those guys off, I have enough faith in the fact that everyone else will be mature enough to not be bothered by it.

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work.

Why wouldn't it work though?

some of us prefer to play as male characters doesnot mean we hate female characters or we are sexist.

Yeah and some people prefer playing as female characters and yet you see people REEEEing their little hearts out whenever women are added as playable characters in games like battlefield.

[quote[but its just our preference. i feel comfortable playing as male characters because im a man and want to be a man in gaming universe.[/quote]

Yeah and the same goes in reverse for women. Unlike you guys however women can't seem to get a lead in a major triple a game release without the comments pages being 'soy' and 'cuck' and insinuations of interracial sex. If people want to understand what 'privilege' means this is a perfect example. Everything right now caters to you, you don't want that to change so when things start getting better for women, you have to shit all over it.

Wintermute:
Oh no, those damn feminist soyboy cucks are ruining gaming.

Genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

hanselthecaretaker:

Except ?balancing all things? isn?t even feasible to begin with. It?s a nice thought for sure, but is reality still allowed to interject at all?

I dunno, take it up with Thanos.

Agreed on the comment stuff though. If life were fair then those types, and well, all idiots incapable of decency, would be infertile.

Well luckily I imagine the worst ones probably can't have no hope of getting laid without the use of grave robbing so there's that.

I personally don't care a lot about women being in this game but they're obviously doing it to earn good boy points. Even the lead designer thinks he's on ''the right side of history'' because he doesn't have the spine to explain to his 9-year-old daughter why there were pretty much no women in WW2, a really pathetic guy.

Elijin:

B-Cell:

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work.

B-Cell:

some of us prefer to play as male characters doesnot mean we hate female characters or we are sexist. but its just our preference. i feel comfortable playing as male characters because im a man and want to be a man in gaming universe.

Balance those comments out. Explain how Hitwoman or DOOM Girl wont work, while also remaining 'not sexist'.

Because knowing the lore of those games. it wont work. or it will feel awkward. i mean Hitman is agent 47. not some james bond style spy but a cold blooded emotionless killer who disguise. it work perfectly fine with male character.

Doom is about badass Doom guy alone shooting demon. so playing as man would feel much better. if Doom guy was girl than it would not just work at all.

B-Cell:

Elijin:

B-Cell:

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work.

B-Cell:

some of us prefer to play as male characters doesnot mean we hate female characters or we are sexist. but its just our preference. i feel comfortable playing as male characters because im a man and want to be a man in gaming universe.

Balance those comments out. Explain how Hitwoman or DOOM Girl wont work, while also remaining 'not sexist'.

Because knowing the lore of those games. it wont work. or it will feel awkward. i mean Hitman is agent 47. not some james bond style spy but a cold blooded emotionless killer who disguise. it work perfectly fine with male character.

Doom is about badass Doom guy alone shooting demon. so playing as man would feel much better. if Doom guy was girl than it would not just work at all.

Apparently the task I set was impossible. You tried though.

B-Cell:

Elijin:

B-Cell:

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work.

B-Cell:

some of us prefer to play as male characters doesnot mean we hate female characters or we are sexist. but its just our preference. i feel comfortable playing as male characters because im a man and want to be a man in gaming universe.

Balance those comments out. Explain how Hitwoman or DOOM Girl wont work, while also remaining 'not sexist'.

Because knowing the lore of those games. it wont work. or it will feel awkward. i mean Hitman is agent 47. not some james bond style spy but a cold blooded emotionless killer who disguise. it work perfectly fine with male character.

Doom is about badass Doom guy alone shooting demon. so playing as man would feel much better. if Doom guy was girl than it would not just work at all.

Agent 47 is a clone made from the DNA of like...5 really good killers. his talent isn't tied to this penis

Doom slayer is wearing heavy armor

there really wouldn't be any difference

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