Lara Croft breaks my heart

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Man I love the Tomb Raider reboots! I mean, I loved the first two games. But The Shadow of the Tomb Raider is like....bogus man. The story revolves around Lara and her pal Jonah (who I'm pretty sure fucking died in Rise) for to find more magical bullshit to save the world from Trinity. On paper that's fine, I expected that because of what happened in Rise. But Shadow somehow manages to make this escalation of the conflict of Trinity boring and anti-climatic as fuck. Lara herself shows no real growth, outside of being a better murder machine, she remains a selfish bitch in a lot of ways.

I was really hoping for more, I wanted to see Lara be more mature about her exploration of tombs, about how she handles combat, about everything really. And she just doesn't. This was supposed to be the game where Lara becomes the confident, calm, cool and collected badass she is in the original games. Instead she is basically the same, though I swear her voice actress has lost her accent most of the time.

Perhaps Shadow was a rush job of a game. Rather than develop Lara and her story, they created all these bogus and bullshit reasons for her to do shit, without really providing a satisfying resolution.

On the bright side Shadow does do some things well. The puzzle tombs are much better than any previous game, which I would assume. The combat is a lot cooler, especially in regards to stealth capabilities and you really can play "Lara Croft: Predator" in this game which is awesome.

I mean I guess I'm just sad that the story failed me. Gameplay, combat, graphics, everything else is fine. Just the story is soooooo fucking....meh.

Shadow was supposed to be in my top games of the year list. Instead it's gonna end up on the Disappointment list and that just sucks.

Commanderfantasy:
I was really hoping for more, I wanted to see Lara be more mature about her exploration of tombs, about how she handles combat, about everything really.

When that didn't happen in Rise I started to suspect that people who write the stories for these games are at best incompetent. Rise had an awful fuckin' story and literally NO character development.

I just wonder if we'll ever see Classic Lara Croft again?

Samtemdo8:

I just wonder if we'll ever see Classic Lara Croft again?

Classic wasn't good

trunkage:

Samtemdo8:

I just wonder if we'll ever see Classic Lara Croft again?

Classic wasn't good

Gameplay wise or mean Lara herself in terms of character?

Commanderfantasy:
I mean I guess I'm just sad that the story failed me. Gameplay, combat, graphics, everything else is fine. Just the story is soooooo fucking....meh.

That's sorta the baseline for this trilogy though. The best I can say about the 1st 2 games was that they are fun romps, though I thought the writing was noticeably worse in Rise. I did have higher hopes for Shadow because I think I read they got new writers, but even then we are still taking video games here where good writing is basically an endangered species. I wish the series would've just been Tomb Raider instead of being Uncharted.

Phoenixmgs:

Commanderfantasy:
I mean I guess I'm just sad that the story failed me. Gameplay, combat, graphics, everything else is fine. Just the story is soooooo fucking....meh.

That's sorta the baseline for this trilogy though. The best I can say about the 1st 2 games was that they are fun romps, though I thought the writing was noticeably worse in Rise. I did have higher hopes for Shadow because I think I read they got new writers, but even then we are still taking video games here where good writing is basically an endangered species. I wish the series would've just been Tomb Raider instead of being Uncharted.

I mean the writing was never fantastic, but it was good enough to have a fun adventure through the rest of the game. B-grade action movie stuff you know?

I dunno if they got a new writer, but if they did then it was definitely a downgrade because the story here is dogshit. I've seen porn with better stories.

Commanderfantasy:
The story revolves around Lara and her pal Jonah (who I'm pretty sure fucking died in Rise)

If my memory serves me right, he didn't die. He did get wounded but the immortal bloke managed to save him. Its been a while, so I could be wrong.

Catfood220:

Commanderfantasy:
The story revolves around Lara and her pal Jonah (who I'm pretty sure fucking died in Rise)

If my memory serves me right, he didn't die. He did get wounded but the immortal bloke managed to save him. Its been a while, so I could be wrong.

Guess Rise wasnt as memorable as i thought. Maybe these are just bad games.

Commanderfantasy:

Catfood220:

Commanderfantasy:
The story revolves around Lara and her pal Jonah (who I'm pretty sure fucking died in Rise)

If my memory serves me right, he didn't die. He did get wounded but the immortal bloke managed to save him. Its been a while, so I could be wrong.

Guess Rise wasnt as memorable as i thought. Maybe these are just bad games.

Rise is just a really boring game.

I've tried to get through it on 3 separate occasions and I get bored after a few hours every time. I think the biggest problem with the game is the upgrades and new weapons that you get. They take the piss easy combat and make it even easier. Combine that with mediocre writing and a lack of character development and I just can't bring myself to keep playing.

You get all of these skills, weapons, weapon upgrades, and pretty much every single thing that you get makes the game worse and worse because it completely trivializes the completely non-threatening enemies.

Rise is a game where you basically play Jason Voorhees, an unstoppable juggernaut of death and destruction, but the game keeps pretending that you're the one in constant peril. It's maddening.

Dirty Hipsters:

Commanderfantasy:

Catfood220:

If my memory serves me right, he didn't die. He did get wounded but the immortal bloke managed to save him. Its been a while, so I could be wrong.

Guess Rise wasnt as memorable as i thought. Maybe these are just bad games.

Rise is just a really boring game.

I've tried to get through it on 3 separate occasions and I get bored after a few hours every time. I think the biggest problem with the game is the upgrades and new weapons that you get. They take the piss easy combat and make it even easier. Combine that with mediocre writing and a lack of character development and I just can't bring myself to keep playing.

You get all of these skills, weapons, weapon upgrades, and pretty much every single thing that you get makes the game worse and worse because it completely trivializes the completely non-threatening enemies.

Rise is a game where you basically play Jason Voorhees, an unstoppable juggernaut of death and destruction, but the game keeps pretending that you're the one in constant peril. It's maddening.

So would you say this is a prime example of ludonarrative dissonance?

I'll wait for a Game of the Year edition.

Dirty Hipsters:

Commanderfantasy:

Catfood220:

If my memory serves me right, he didn't die. He did get wounded but the immortal bloke managed to save him. Its been a while, so I could be wrong.

Guess Rise wasnt as memorable as i thought. Maybe these are just bad games.

Rise is just a really boring game.

I've tried to get through it on 3 separate occasions and I get bored after a few hours every time. I think the biggest problem with the game is the upgrades and new weapons that you get. They take the piss easy combat and make it even easier. Combine that with mediocre writing and a lack of character development and I just can't bring myself to keep playing.

You get all of these skills, weapons, weapon upgrades, and pretty much every single thing that you get makes the game worse and worse because it completely trivializes the completely non-threatening enemies.

Rise is a game where you basically play Jason Voorhees, an unstoppable juggernaut of death and destruction, but the game keeps pretending that you're the one in constant peril. It's maddening.

Yeah, I'm of the same mind. I quite enjoyed the Tomb Raider reboot but Rise just is... dull and I can't bring myself to care to play more of it. She kinda loses that 'sympathetic character who is over her head but doing her best' thing once she has managed to kill more people then a decent sized natural disaster.

Samtemdo8:

trunkage:

Samtemdo8:

I just wonder if we'll ever see Classic Lara Croft again?

Classic wasn't good

Gameplay wise or mean Lara herself in terms of character?

What I remember from gameplay was doing somersaults shooting. And was it number two where you were chasing a villian and four or five times you had a shoot out. Once shot enough, he'd run away. He was so much of a bullet sponge, he should have been in Borderlands.

The story to me is about as memorable as Rise of the Tomb Raider. Ie. It wasn't

Worgen:

Dirty Hipsters:

Commanderfantasy:

Guess Rise wasnt as memorable as i thought. Maybe these are just bad games.

Rise is just a really boring game.

I've tried to get through it on 3 separate occasions and I get bored after a few hours every time. I think the biggest problem with the game is the upgrades and new weapons that you get. They take the piss easy combat and make it even easier. Combine that with mediocre writing and a lack of character development and I just can't bring myself to keep playing.

You get all of these skills, weapons, weapon upgrades, and pretty much every single thing that you get makes the game worse and worse because it completely trivializes the completely non-threatening enemies.

Rise is a game where you basically play Jason Voorhees, an unstoppable juggernaut of death and destruction, but the game keeps pretending that you're the one in constant peril. It's maddening.

Yeah, I'm of the same mind. I quite enjoyed the Tomb Raider reboot but Rise just is... dull and I can't bring myself to care to play more of it. She kinda loses that 'sympathetic character who is over her head but doing her best' thing once she has managed to kill more people then a decent sized natural disaster.

The point it loses me is when she gets to the village and single-handedly saves everyone, and all the villagers tell her how she's the best and they can't do it without her. You can't have someone both be in over their head and also be the amazing super badass who saves the day without breaking a sweat. You're literally running up on squads of train soldiers and cutting them down with a single shotgun blast each like they don't even exist.

Tomb raider reboot has been terrible so far and this one they manage to make it even worse. Cant believe this is eidos montreal game who gave us masterpiece Deus Ex HR in 2011.

B-Cell:
Tomb raider reboot has been terrible so far and this one they manage to make it even worse. Cant believe this is eidos montreal game who gave us masterpiece Deus Ex HR in 2011.

Why are you even commenting when you haven't even played these games? You even said it multiple times. And everybody knows that you don't play games with female protagonists.

Adam Jensen:

B-Cell:
Tomb raider reboot has been terrible so far and this one they manage to make it even worse. Cant believe this is eidos montreal game who gave us masterpiece Deus Ex HR in 2011.

Why are you even commenting when you haven't even played these games? You even said it multiple times. And everybody knows that you don't play games with female protagonists.

I played TR 2013 and rise of both. and both were terrible. heavily scripted, bad combat, easy one button platforming.

on other hand portal was excellent. and you play as female in portal.

trunkage:

Samtemdo8:

trunkage:
Classic wasn't good

Gameplay wise or mean Lara herself in terms of character?

What I remember from gameplay was doing somersaults shooting. And was it number two where you were chasing a villian and four or five times you had a shoot out. Once shot enough, he'd run away. He was so much of a bullet sponge, he should have been in Borderlands.

The story to me is about as memorable as Rise of the Tomb Raider. Ie. It wasn't

But I am not asking for the exact gameplay of the PS1 days returning where everything is a block shape.

I just want Lara's classic look back:

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Worgen:

Yeah, I'm of the same mind. I quite enjoyed the Tomb Raider reboot but Rise just is... dull and I can't bring myself to care to play more of it. She kinda loses that 'sympathetic character who is over her head but doing her best' thing once she has managed to kill more people then a decent sized natural disaster.

But she NEEDS to do this! She has to do it for her dead father!

Yeah. I'm getting kind of tired of them not only dawdling around with Lara's character development, or lack thereof. Not only the "Innocent college kid" who keeps getting dragged into these situations, except that she doesn't at this point....and the almost inevitable return to Lara's Daddy issues, which I keep hoping she'll finally get over in this incarnation.

Different studio than the last 2 games. Different writer/s, possibly no writer after the intro was done. I enjoyed the last 2 for what they were. Had no love for the old games, regardless of playing most of them. Utterly vacuous.

B-Cell:
I played TR 2013 and rise of both. and both were terrible. heavily scripted, bad combat, easy one button platforming.

I don't know why you keep lying about this. Are you literally 12 years old?

B-Cell:
Tomb raider reboot has been terrible so far and this one they manage to make it even worse. Cant believe this is eidos montreal game who gave us masterpiece Deus Ex HR in 2011.

That's probably part of the problem. Sqeenix cancelled all their western releases like Deus Ex and Hitman and let Crystal Dynamics IPs like Legacy of Kain die. They only want Tomb Raider since it's the only game that meets their sales expectations so you can probably imagine the enthusiasm of the developers. No one who made this game probably gave a shit and just did the necessary to receive their paycheck(like pretty much everyone with a regular job). Looks good, plays well but an ultimately shallow and forgettable experience.

The first game in the series(the initial reboot) was excellent though. I really enjoyed that one and found it far superior to Rise. The Lara in that game also looked way prettier than in Rise and Shadow. I always hated that super tiny waist and stupidly huge cleavage. Her original design is atrocious. In the reboot she was just perfect both her figure and her incredibly pretty face. Without a doubt the best looking videogame protagonist ever created. In Rise she looked somehow younger and not as good looking.

But anyways enough for drooling on Lara it's obvious the games are just becoming rote and unamiginative by now. The reboot was awesome but it was just downhill from there.

Mack some up this game perfectly fine. most mainstream sites are giving it 9/10 when game did nothing good.

No, Mack is an imbecile who doesn't understand that video games don't exist just to satisfy his expectations.

Adam Jensen:
No, Mack is an imbecile who doesn't understand that video games don't exist just to satisfy his expectations.

but its a casual game with handholding and one button platforming. atleast uncharted did shooting better but this game make combat/shooting absolutely terrible.

mack say things many professional reviewers afraid to say because they may lose thier job.

also watch jim sterling video

Samtemdo8:

I just wonder if we'll ever see Classic Lara Croft again?

Classic Lara still exists in the 'Lara Croft'series of isometric games and not so long ago had a comics mini-series. She still exists but for some reason isn't the type of personality that the publishers think we want to see and so don't put her in mainstream titles.

The reboot series, the first game especially, would have worked better with the original Lara. She already knows how to kick ass. The story wouldn't even have needed changing.

I would love to see them make a game of the gameplay and visual quality of the reboot series with the original Lara. Just to sate my curiosity of how it would sell.

votemarvel:
Classic Lara still exists in the 'Lara Croft'series of isometric games and not so long ago had a comics mini-series. She still exists but for some reason isn't the type of personality that the publishers think we want to see and so don't put her in mainstream titles.

Um, really? According to the wiki that's "Legend Lara," not "Classic Lara."

I've tried to give the new Lara Croft a chance, but it hasn't really done 'anything' for me.

It'd be one thing if she was this postmodernist take on the character meant to appease journalists, but it's not even that.

To me, even with the 1st rebooted game, there's just this list of DON'T'S when it comes to Lara. Don't make her sexy. Don't make her weak for to long. Don't make it so she can't cry after taking a life.

I get the game is attempting to not only deconstruct itself but the entire Tomb Raider franchise and the implications (such as the criticisms of white savior complex and colonialism) but it never brought anything new or subversive to the table.

I got bored of Tomb Raider reboots when they didn't bring Sam back.

I like Jonah but damn let Lara have her girlfriend back.

So after beating the main story of the game now, I can say that the story is mostly shit and makes absolutely zero sense. However there are a couple of very cool moments contained within that I wish had been expanded because they are very brief.

I play most games for the story and this game definitely is a failure on that part. I just couldn't care about the story or about the people within it. Trinity's ultimate motives are fucking retarded and make no sense for this big evil organization to be after the magical trinket in this game. Additionally the big bad head of Trinity dies off-screen, and you fight the secondary (i think) boss at the end.

Gameplay wise Tomb Raider is okay. Combat is a ton of fun, especially the stealth sections. Lara feels really cool when you cover yourself in mud and hide against walls or bushes to pop out and pick off entire areas worth of enemies. Gun fights are exciting, but if you are really good at the stealth you'll only ever need to use guns in just a couple sections of the game. Sadly this game doesn't have a lot of combat sections. They seemed to focus on exploration and especially underwater areas in tombs. There are more puzzles and challenge tombs than in previous games.

The problem with that is the controls are janky when it comes to exploration. Jump towards a rock climbing wall in which you have to throw your pick axe at it to attach like spider-man from it seem to fail more often than not. I died a lot in Tomb Raider this time, and almost all of them were from lara not attaching to ledges or the repelling not working the way is should. I found myself frustrated with traversing the tombs more often than not and because I also couldn't get into the story, I frankly found myself skipping everything not far into the game and opted to rush to the ending so I could finish the story (just in case it got good later) and be done with the game.

Tomb Raider isn't terrible, it's disappointing for someone who was a fan of the previous two games.

After sneaking around covered in mud for a bit

I realized we really need a dlc where Lara faces the predator

Tomb Raider Anniversary is still the benchmark imo. Both in character and game design. The reboot clearly wanted to be Uncharted but lacked the chops in just about every aspect besides crafting. I liked the game when they were more about exploring tombs with excellent level design and platforming than their current approach with about 90% of the content involving cheesy storytelling and generic shooting mechanics.

Man, reminded me of the fun days rather thant the dumb and stupid one we have now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbLZbBB6uZo&t=97s

undeadsuitor:
I got bored of Tomb Raider reboots when they didn't bring Sam back.

I like Jonah but damn let Lara have her girlfriend back.

Do you really want that though? Considering most of the first game was literally her playing "Your Princess is in another castle" with Lara for the entire game and that these writers really haven't seemed to have figured anything out since then, it's hard to argue that Sam wouldn't be the same Distressed Damsel if she showed up again.

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