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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1605 Joined: 26 Apr 2009     | I don't think they'll abandon hardcore gaming, but I'm still disappointed they're still being dumb enough to put so much money into motion controls. I didn't like it then. I don't like it now. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 897 Joined: 21 Jul 2008    | PSSSHHHHHT, IT'S A SECRET, BUT MICROSOFT SALES ARE FALLING AND THEIR MARKETING STRATEGIES SEEM TO BE TO COPY EVERYTHING EVERYONE ELSE DOES Oh, did I just caps lock that? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1002 Joined: 27 Mar 2009    | I don't think they are. I think they are just expanding their horizons. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 847 Joined: 6 Jun 2009    | No they're not abandoning "hard core" gaming, they're just trying new projects which I myself believe is a bad idea. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2356 Joined: 5 May 2008   | OP realises gamers are demanding more with less. Gamers are getting jaded & disenfranchised with dual analogue & 16 million buttons of dewm. Pads are not naturalistic, Natal is. Natal is the PC equivalent of Neural Impulse Actuator Controller's or Track IR. I doubt natal can compete with moause & keyboard but hey we will find out :D |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4360 Joined: 8 Jan 2009     |
Sorry, second bit wasn't directed at you. Just the graphics bit. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1097 Joined: 6 Oct 2008    | It is the closest thing to virtual reality yet. Yes, it will be hardcore in due time. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 362 Joined: 21 Feb 2009   |
As a gamer, you could definitely say hardcore, I would have to ask "What is wrong with you?" Seriously, casual gaming is NOT the plague of gaming, in fact there are so many crap "hardcore" titles nowadays that hardcore games are leading to more casual games without anybody/anything else's help. And most casual games rock, you're just too biased to even consider them. Mr Bias. And frankly if the regular console controllers are replaced it'll be too late. I've never understood how FPS on a controller is any better than much worse than the keyboard/mouse combo. And RTS can't be done, it's been proven time and time again. The only advantage controllers have is when it comes to racing games. They have more controlled speed controls, instead of the keyboard's all or nothing button approach. And finally, I'm sure this has been said but it's Natal, no h, and your use of semicolons is incorrect. Not saying I have perfect punctuation/grammer, but those are plopped in the middle of perfectly good sentences for no reason. |
SUSPENDED  Posts: 1028 Joined: 30 Jun 2009  | Microsoft is like any other large corporate entity. It wants to make as much money as possible, and the best way to do that now is to take a cue from the Wii. Of course this is going to end up like a second Wii and flood the 360's game library with half assed casual games. As for Natal itself it to will most likely end up like the Wiimote and be sort of hit or miss. Most games will have terrible controls while a small hand full will be spot on. Of course this is coming from a very traditionally minded gamer who trembles at the thought of a day when traditional controllers are no longer the primary means of playing a game. User was suspended for: I'm sick and tired of .... (3 days) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1422 Joined: 7 Jun 2008   |
It had good reason to become an FPS. RTS games on consoles suck. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 86 Joined: 17 Mar 2009  | Everyone should learn to steer away from threads with "hardcore/casual gaming" on it. It's seriously a pointless discussion because, well, you can't stop the industry. |
Paperboy  Posts: 16 Joined: 3 Jul 2009   | Another way to get casual gamers into buying the console and Microsoft to get more exclusive titles! I HATE THAT! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2287 Joined: 5 May 2008  | Natal (nathal?) is simply a retarded attempt to steal the Wii's casual fanbase. It will fail miserably, and all of the focus will return to the Hardcore gamers. |
BANNED  Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
The fuck does that have to do with anything? Jaws was originally meant to be an action movie about a shark without the tension or suspense, but when they took the suspense and tension out of the end product (Jaws 4) it still sucked. Concepts change. The only motion cotrol system that actually seems to be compatable with gamers games is the control without a name, Sony's thing. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1091 Joined: 25 Feb 2008   | When did consoles become entitled to being called hardcore anyway? |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
You call that hardcore? User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 520 Joined: 29 Jun 2009 | Heaven forbid they actually try to expand their market share and actually compete with their *gasp* competitors! Hardcore is relative anyway. There was a thread that I just read a while ago that was commenting on how loosely the term Hardcore is tossed about. Also considering the fact that some people who have games such as Gears might actually enjoy some of the "casual" content. If it works, why complain about it? Microsoft is a company that's out to make $$$. If they can dip their fingers into the popcap type game market, more power to them. I highly doubt they're going to completely abandon the types of titles that have made them so much cash as it is, and if they do, then that's a horrible strategy and they deserve to ride the train of ruin anyway. |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 | Thread-related accident User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 520 Joined: 29 Jun 2009 |
Errrr... Nintendo = Microsoft? 0_o Wow, no wonder I'm so confused! |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Sorry, I have a number of tabs open. It gets confusing. I'll delete it. That said, it is a bit of a case of mistreating fans if all this research and centre stage of your E3 conference (because really, they didn't have anything else) has gone into something that has no practical application for them. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3772 Joined: 29 Dec 2007  | It amazes me that you managed to create such a well put together post, yet managed to misspell "Natal" without fail. At any rate this isn't a well thought out post, terms such as "hardcore" and "casual" mean less and less with each day. But "hardcore" games won't die out because they make money, more "casual" games will be made because of larger demand, but a genre only dies when people stop playing it. |
BANNED  Posts: 646 Joined: 9 Feb 2009   | lol User was banned for: This place is going to the dogs again.. (Permanent) |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 520 Joined: 29 Jun 2009 |
I understand your point. All I was really trying to say was they're trying to expand into other avenues. If it works out for them, great. If it doesn't, oh well, they'll live and learn. I'm pretty sure Microsoft and their third party developers aren't going to let their tried and true classics suffer as a result of this. And if they do, then the games will flop and they'll have to fall back on what they're good at. Personally I feel that change can be a good thing. If we never had change, we'd have never gotten the classic titles to begin with. Although copycatism (woot for made up words) is rampant in the current market, we'll see whether natal actually expands upon the motion control theme or just flat out copies Nintendo. Copy = bad and unorigional, expanding = good and furthers the market/technology. Hell, vacuum tube computers and true memory tapes would still be around and none of our precious PCs or consoles would have ever been developed if people/companies weren't willing to expand on previous ideas. Not to mention the fact that perhaps a little competition in said market would actually help with the quality in the genre. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3582 Joined: 25 Mar 2009    | I could care less. Console gaming is for the computer illiterate, you can mod on PCs, therefore, advantage home field. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 520 Joined: 29 Jun 2009 |
Microsoft kind of develops/produces for the PCs as well ya know. If it flies with the Xbox, they will probably find some way of adapting it to PC. Hell, quite a few people have already hacked their PC to take advantage of the Wii controller. I'm strictly a PC gamer myself. My last console was the SNES except for handhelds, with which i have an origional Gameboy, 2 GBA's and a PSP (worst consumer decision of my life, it's my glorified MP3 player at this point). |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
PC's also have 1968 Tunnel Rats. Therefore, Consoles win. Nothing can erase Uwe Boll's game. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3582 Joined: 25 Mar 2009 |
Who's Uwe Boll? |
Muckraker  Posts: 253 Joined: 1 Jul 2009 | @thread No. No, they are not abandoning hardcore. How can anybody get this impression? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4533 Joined: 12 Feb 2009    | Personally I ain't buying. I refuse to have to waste what another 600 bucks just to get something that will make me jump up and down in my living room just to complete the level. Why? As yatzhee best put it I play games to unwind. Jumping up and down is not unwinding it is tiring and when I'm breathing heavy it makes me feel fat to which they will release a bunch of wieght loss games (I.E there eqivulant to wiifit.) to which I will buy because of pure impulse to lose wieght but then I will ditch it half way throught and the game will be sitting on my xbox gathering dust just like my Wii. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 223 Joined: 2 Apr 2009  | did anyone see the Colbert thing about natal, he made a good point about the skateboarding, if you have a skateboard and the game requires you to know how to skate board why arn't you actually doing it. I personally play games to do something i cannot do in real life. EDIT:
i get so sick of PC gamers talking about how much better the PC is for gaming, biggest problem with it PRICE, compare a the prices of PC that can run Fallout 3 vs the cheapest PS3/360. Not everyone has the money to constantly upgrade their computer in order to play the newest games. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1091 Joined: 25 Feb 2008 |
An obnoxious respawn system makes your game frustrating, not hardcore. By your logic, roguelikes are more hardcore then demon soul and because anything less then 100% hardcore isn't hardcore, demon soul isn't hardcore either. Otherwise, worldwide championships eleven years after the game came out is what i consider more hardcore then another run of the mill hack&slash game with some flawed design decisions that marketing suits added a new spin to and the gullible fanboi crowd took as the gospel and will be completely forgotten next year. |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
Have you checked the reviews of people who actually played it and know anything about it? And by your logic, Consoles are still more hardcore because of Street Fighter II. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1764 Joined: 18 Nov 2008   |
You mean arcades are also more hardcore than consoles because of Street Fighter 2 as Capcom have ported the game to all sorts of platforms. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1605 Joined: 26 Apr 2009 | Okay, I don't get the console hate in this thread. Did someone let the leeches we call PC snobs out of the basement again? |
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Yes, that's right. As Microsoft is developing a new control system, which isn't even designed to replace the old system, they intend to dumb down the games that mainly aren't made by them. Come on, Microsoft definitely wants a piece of the pie but what possible motive do they have for alienating a target market that they already have a portion of?
Did you... did you even read his post? It says the exact opposite of what you think. He says Natal is creative. That is a compliment where I come from. Have you just misquoted?