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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1435 Joined: 19 Jun 2008     | |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 584 Joined: 6 Jun 2009     | Hmm. TF2 manga style with blue blood? Interesting. Makes my favourite multiplayer look lame. |
Paperboy  Posts: 30 Joined: 30 Jun 2009     | Its looks like it could be good. But Nothing compares to TF2 |
Muckraker  Posts: 253 Joined: 1 Jul 2009     |
Mm. I enjoy DM'ing D&D and Shadowrun more than playing video games, and most sessions can take 45 minutes to an hour to set up. I love things like Silent Hill, though, and I maintain that there's some genuine art in modern gaming; Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, that sort of thing. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2784 Joined: 20 Feb 2009    | Looks like someone mixed Team Fortress 2, Battlefield Heroes and Manga. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1277 Joined: 21 Apr 2009   |
People do hate Halo clones >.> |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1277 Joined: 21 Apr 2009 | I would laugh my ass off if this came out on PC, and they got denied being soldo n steam ^.^ |
On the Record  Posts: 5164 Joined: 21 Aug 2008    |
I guess it's not so much the human race you are giving too much credit, but rather the industry itself and it's lack of integrity. If they made enough of a push, methinks they might be able to get away from their path now and bring back the kind of games you crave, but considering we are now in an age where if the game doesn't look like Uncharted or inFamous, it's garbage (case in point, Prototype) which is something that the industry itself has brought upon themselves, and if it doesn't have your friendly neighbourhood space marine, it's not well received. These games on the two more powerful consoles have to hit at least 5-700k for them to be profitable, and developers just don't appear to want to take such risks any more, and make a push for your kind of games. Admittedly enough though, when original concepts or complex and intelligent games are released and don't sell enough, the developers would probably think to themselves 'why should we? There's more money to be had making an fps'. Gaming has most certainly regressed, but I can't help but think it's also the industry's fault for putting gamers into such a mindset that if a game ain't pretty, it ain't as good. Once we get out of that, we might start seeing some more original or complex stuff. And also brief sidebar, I don't know if you checked that thread I showed you before, but I'm discussing something with someone and I don't even know if I'm correct in my thinking or even making sense any more, a fresh pair of eyes would be appreciated if you have the time. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.119037?page=2#2472722 |
Muckraker  Posts: 342 Joined: 1 Mar 2008    |
... Really? Aaaaaaaaanyway, the game looks fun. And the characters are pretty to look at. Aaaand if I'm not mistaken, it's free to play. What's the worst that can happen? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2622 Joined: 2 Aug 2008    |
Characters are pretty to look at? That's not the point, it's a blatant rip-off. |
Paperboy  Posts: 46 Joined: 23 May 2009   | To be honest, the only similarities I'm seeing are the art direction and some of the mechanics. We can't really tell how it plays just from that one trailer. Even so, my scepticism meter is at 8 and rising. |
Paperboy  Posts: 50 Joined: 14 Apr 2009 | hmm I think its cute but still TF 2 is way better |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1405 Joined: 7 Apr 2008    | heh TF2 girls team ^_^ |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2259 Joined: 16 Dec 2008   |
Seems like a very American centric thing I have noticed in alot of that 70s-80s generation posters far before my time so maybe just speculation but In Europe/the UK we have never really had that social nerd/jock whatever thing that seems so prominent stateside. Not sure how it is in asia either but I would guess it's simmilar. Anyway where Im going with this is I think you have a point gaming has undoubtably dummed down and regressed horribly, I just think you maybe look at it from a very narrow viewpoint that American culture is not so previlent the world over. Oh sorry your Austrailian uhh well that.. yeah lost myself now go me. |
Muckraker Posts: 342 Joined: 1 Mar 2008 |
Who is to say that the characters aren't more likable than the TF2 cast? Or aren't even more charming?! And it isn't like whoever made the "rats" maps had the idea to put the characters into a miniature setting like that. If we're doing that argument you could say that the mapmaker ripped off "Indian in the Cupboard"! Ideas aren't ownable, and I will admit that there are many similarities between the games, but the way you're saying that it's all Valve's ideas is stupid and fanboyish. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 592 Joined: 19 May 2008  | I love this. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 587 Joined: 16 Jan 2008   |
Yes, it is funny to over-react to a jokey comment that you take of context, failing to quote the part with the punchline and the fact I semi-agreed with you. And it's not like my generation has had the the highest ever, right? Once again, my previous comment was in jest, and I'm sorry that people of my age group offend you so. But I can see from previous comments that you've admitted this, so I won't poke the bear with a stick anymore. |
Paperboy  Posts: 38 Joined: 20 Apr 2009   |
Developers are Korean. check out their website. Those are Korean characters, not Japanese. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1192 Joined: 24 Apr 2008    | I think rip off is not the word in this case. I am not really sure how the fuck to describe my feelings of disgust. Perhaps any of you fine people can help me? |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 965 Joined: 19 Mar 2009   | But it's not a rip-off! The people are really small and they're Japanese! (sarcasm) Seriously, though, this sort of blatant plagiarism disgusts me. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 613 Joined: 18 Jul 2008  | What's with the Haruhi scout? Ever played toyfort maps? probably better than this game. |
On the Record Posts: 5164 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
It's a shitload of fuck? |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 883 Joined: 29 May 2009 | Mother of gawd. Are you serious? This can't be serious. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1192 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 |
Pretty close, but worse >.< |
On the Record Posts: 5164 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
A boatload of fail? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1192 Joined: 24 Apr 2008 |
A shitload of titanic sized semi liquid fuck failure. I can see how this can get me into trouble though, so let me explain: the game rips off EVERY aspect of team fortress 2, the machine gun, the medi gun, the scout etc etc. Even the teams are the same! Oh sure it is 3rd person and shit, but it's just tf2, in a different skin! It must be the virus that attack creativity spreading to other game companies. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 886 Joined: 24 Sep 2008  | I think it looks fun. If it's like TF2, then it'll be enjoyable. They just need less manga dolls and a wide range of toys e.g. Teddy Bears, Transformer-type characters for vehicles, heavy class can be Gundam-type mecha models, alien action-figures have cool sci-fi weaponry etc. That would be fun to see. Rip-off, who cares? As Yahtzee said, ripping off is the whole base of the entertainment industry these days. If it's ripped off, it doesn't necessarily make it less fun to play. That's what games are about, FUN And just to point out about the whole "The map is also copied blablabla", there have been quite a few maps of that style. I know of two for UT3 yelled at for ripping off. And anyway, there was a whole game set in that scene years ago (for the Dreamcast), and the PS3 also has Toy Home, and nobody gives a shit. |
Paperboy  Posts: 40 Joined: 10 Nov 2006   | Another entry into "Did the world really need this?" category |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1206 Joined: 6 Oct 2008 | Let the lawsuits come! |
On the Record  Posts: 5760 Joined: 9 Jul 2008   |
The thing that got me was that several of the weapon models (bat, grenade, mingun) are identical. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4934 Joined: 10 Jan 2009  |
I'll give you the grenade launcher: but as far as the bat and chaingun go, those are common designs. Bats are often made of aluminum, and chainguns in games typically look like that. |
On the Record Posts: 5760 Joined: 9 Jul 2008 |
Fair enough on the bat, but chain guns tend to be varied. I wouldn't think much of it on its own, but when combined with all the other minute similarities (sounds, general character models of the demoman and soldiers adjusted for toy-ification, several suspiciously similar animations, etc) it does add up. Again, none of these things are big enough to sound the alarm on their own, but when you look at every similarity, even discounting thing such as the cell-shading (which Valve never exactly had some sort of exclusive claim to), it really is fairly damning, and I refuse to believe without evidence that it was unintentional. Whether the intention that was there was "steal" or "homage" is anyone's guess at this point. |
Paperboy Posts: 25 Joined: 15 Apr 2009   | I'm not certain what the main driving force is behind this game, but it seems like their audience will be creepy lifeless teenagers who play TF2 and want to see anime girls in skimpy clothing with big guns. I get the feeling that the first half of that description will be their main opposition too, replacing the second bit with ", who are annoying fanboy loyalists." Now, to me, it looks like it would be a pretty cute and hilarious game, and I'd probably play it from time to time, mostly just for shits and giggles. HOWEVER: I am seriously disturbed by the presence of... well, just about everything from TF2. I'm not so much angry as confused. Although there is a huge lack of originality in the world today it seems, I still can't figure out why they would so blatantly copy and paste character concepts, weapons, sounds, and music into what looks like it would otherwise be a nearly completely different game. On a side note, when the girl with the minigun got bubbled and fired at the sniper, the line," I think his mate saw me," ran through my head a bunch, and I laughed hysterically when I realized later that at the beginning, the guy said that these were "Action Figures". (PSS: Sorry for the long post. I just had much to say about nothing concerning the video. ^^;) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1401 Joined: 26 Jan 2009 | This HAS to be a mod, because if it isnt, its treading very thin ice. I mean, the grenader only had one eye like the demo-man....... though, the concept is good, takes me back to Army Men for the 64. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 886 Joined: 17 Mar 2009  | Looks fun. I'm not going to drop TF2 over it or stop pestering my friends who don't own it yet, but I'll definitely give this a shot. |
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I have to admit, it's nice to see someone younger than myself admit that I have a point, and to offer a constructive counter-point.
I guess I find it difficult to accept the games of today, especially given my views of them as simplistic, if graphically superior versions of things I've already played and adventures I've already completed.
To this day, I hold up the old SSI dungeons and dragons games like any of the forgotten realms series, or the eye of the beholder series as the end all of gaming as a story telling and truly immersive gaming, mostly because what you do, which quests you complete and how you act/interact honestly modify the end of the game, while the majority of "A-grade" titles I've played over the last decade have had to struggle to gain a remotely similar level of complexity or plot development.
I grew up in an era where being a gamer required you to be part of the nerd (also intelligent, non-sport) crowd, and I have trouble accepting the new "gaming as mainstream" thing, especially since it appears, at least to me, that over the last ten or so years games have gone from intelligent to retarded with flashy exploding bodies.
Surely I'm not alone in feeling that gaming has regressed, gone backwards to the lowest common denominator, when really, it should have bounced forward, and only those with a functional brain that can tell the difference between a wholesome meal and mcdonalds can get things working and playing, right? Or am I giving the human race too much credit?