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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3178 Joined: 24 Dec 2008     | |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 843 Joined: 3 Jul 2009     | was this a discussion of capcom or street fighter 4? Because really it just seemed like you were angry at them for messing up with street fighter 4. And that the whole point of the thread was so you could eventauly complain about that xD. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1319 Joined: 3 Sep 2008     | I like capcom since they started making decent PC ports |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3178 Joined: 24 Dec 2008 |
erm no, I'm angry that they have spent 12 years making Ryu Ken's bitch, but now that isn't the case and they have Tatsunoko coming out, they have Tatsunoko's poster child that is The Eagle and they have fucked him up. Capcom have a history of making their lead roles poor, with the cannon stating they are the shits but in game they fail, take Chris Redfield, he is Capcom's favourite RE character yet they make him a sissy boy, Leon is meant to be the prototype to Chris (who is the poster child of RE) in RE yet Leon is by far the better character. Wayne in Lost Planet was forgettable. Megaman gets upstaged by Rush the fucking dog, I could go on. |
Muckraker  Posts: 237 Joined: 1 Jul 2009    | Ryu is not the best character in IV. He's not even the best of the Shoto characters. Ken's QCF Fierce (fierce shoryuken) is broken as all hell, as is pretty much anything Sagat can do. Akuma is probably the most balanced of the Shoto. My real gripe with Capcom is that they ditched Clover (old, I know). Every single game Clover made was awesome and original (Viewtiful Joe, Okami and Godhand), and they're all in my top 10. They were ditched simply because they weren't profitable. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 843 Joined: 3 Jul 2009 | good point IMO. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1050 Joined: 18 Mar 2009    | Capcom should space out their Resident Evil releases more... That's about all I got. Seriously, Resident Evil 5 JUST came out, and then another game came out, and now we are almost ready for a second game AFTER RE5. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3178 Joined: 24 Dec 2008 |
Oh god yeah, I've been looking for Okami forever, I've got God Hand and it brings me great joy. I love the whole setting the attitude and being able to change my fighting style
Yeah, they should make us pay for two player modes and shit like that instead. Seriously capcom, you make the greatest games that are mired in the below EPIC scores because of how you treat your characters and how you treat us. Seriously people, when it comes to bosses, aren't the Capcom game bosses the cheapest? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1347 Joined: 12 May 2009    | Well, seriously, you said it yourself...Ryu going by canon, is _the_ most powerful Street Fighter on the planet. Even the artificial construct of Seth, wasn't a match for Ryu. Now, if you've seen the original Street Fighter movie, you'll see that his 'potential' is higher than that of M. Bison (interesting story there...Balrog was actually supposed to be the bad guy, ala Mike Tyson...M Bison etc.. but they decided to change it at the last moment). Anyway, his potential...doesn't necessarily denote that's what he always fights at, or, rather, that he immediately reaches that potential. Ryu's always training, always attempting to improve himself...whereas Ken is more driven on winning. I actually look at it like Goku vs Vegeta. Sure, they're both strong as hell, but Goku's ambition is simply to train and be the best, not necessarily to always win and flaunt his abilities. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1381 Joined: 5 May 2009   | who cares Vega is the ultimate character if you can use him and for those who can't Zangief is like an instant win |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4917 Joined: 23 Mar 2009   | So...Ryu is only mid-tier and you're upset? Or Eagle, maybe? I can't tell. Speaking as a Guilty Gear fan, though...tough.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Akuma is the strongest (or maybe Oro, if you count SF3). Ryu is far from it...as well it should be. If he was already the strongest, why should he be wandering around? And no, M. Bison was always the bad guy. It's just that his original name is Vega. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 658 Joined: 1 Apr 2009   | Indeed, the only reason they mixed the names around is because they didn't want the thuggish black boxer having a name only a few letters apart from Mike Tyson (the real life thuggish black boxer), it would've sent a poor message (i.e. the one I just wrote). |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1347 Joined: 12 May 2009 |
Actually, you're wrong. And really, all it takes is a small amount of research to prove that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Bison or here http://stars.ign.com/objects/142/14222242.html Or here http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/23632 I'm certain you have some backing to your claims though. Beyond that, Akuma's power has never been analyzed, however, as previously stated, by cannon, Ryu has the highest 'potential' of any Street Fighter. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3178 Joined: 24 Dec 2008 |
in terms on canon Ryu was taught by Oro the hermit since Oro felt that Ryu was the best apprentice. but my point still stands, why the fuck for years has Ken been the stronger fighter, lets be honest here, Ken was the stronger of the two and now with SF4 Ryu is the stronger one I feel i've been paid back for he years of sins that capcom have done to me and my chosen character. Only to make the Eagle from Tatsunoko a great big sissy girl, his super move slams opponents into the edge of the screen and they jump back, with a huge recovery time, why are they allowing the greatest cartoon hero in the world have a super move that releases the opponent? why ? why ? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1347 Joined: 12 May 2009 | Well, from my personal experience...Ryu's just better. I play with every character (random), but Ryu is by far stronger, slower, yes...but stronger most certainly. Don't get me wrong, love the speed of Ken too..., but I never have any problems using Ryu. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1066 Joined: 26 Jan 2008  | Capcom vs. SNK vs. Marvel vs. D.C. vs. Mortal Kombat vs. DragonBall. Okay, go. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1521 Joined: 5 Jul 2008     | SF3 is actually the only series where Ken ends up being a better pick than Ryu. That's mostly because in that game Ken's supers are much much easier to cancel into. You literally have a whole set of moves that have low recovery and can set your opponent up for some really deadly stuff. With Ryu... well, not so much. In SF4, it becomes so that Ryu is the one with the easy cancels and Ken's got the harder stuff. Oh, and all Ken's specials do lesser damage including his flaming uppercut.
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Gone Gonzo Posts: 1347 Joined: 12 May 2009 |
Goku wins, easily. On that topic though, I'd really love to see a Capcom vs SNK III. Mark of the Millenium was a crazy game. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1521 Joined: 5 Jul 2008 |
I have videos to prove my stance. That is all. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1347 Joined: 12 May 2009 | Unless it's a video created in conjunction by Akira Toriyama and Stan Lee, it's not factual ;) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4917 Joined: 23 Mar 2009 |
Of course I do. You linked to some of them, in fact. M. Bison was always the main villain.
Highest potential, perhaps, but he's not the strongest fighter. He won his fight against Sagat in the original game only by a fluke; Sagat kicked his ass and stopped fighting, only for Ryu to somehow use Satsui no Hadou and connect a Shoryuken on wakeup (giving Sagat his scar). In Street Fighter Alpha, a psycho-brainwashed Ryu and Sagat fought again, with Sagat's victory. I'm not sure what happened with Ryu in Street Fighter 2, maybe he was the one who fought with Akuma at the end (fairly certain Guile was the one to beat Bison). We do know that Ryu is one of three people who's ever survived getting hit by the Shun Goku Satsu (the other ones being Gen and Oro), but since Akuma's "serious" fights are to the death, I'm not sure. And in SF3, Ryu got his rear handed to him by Oro, and is training under him as a result. |
On the Record  Posts: 5157 Joined: 21 Aug 2008    |
True, I will agree with the Eagle part, and I can vouch after using him for some months that he isn't on par with Ryu in the game. However he is still a solid character, don't put him down just yet. But do know that they most probably won't be changing him up, as this is a localisation version, if anything they might add some characters to balance out the roster (they lost one, it was that genie from tatsunoko, I hated him anyway) but they probably won't change the characters up. And I hope to god that it's Ken Masters as the make up character, either him or Dante. Say what you will about Ryu being Ken's bitch (Ken just happens to be my favourite, it will be evident next) but I think that's a make up for the Ryu worship in every damned Street fighter film (save for the first), comic, and other Capcom related media (I despised the movies Street fighter Alpha and Street Fighter IV as a result). I also think that them nerfing Ken in SFIV is a damned travesty, but all I can do now is cry myself to sleep, and assume it was all an attempt to keep the two equal.
Oh sweet Jesus don't even make me think about it. CvS2 was easily the best crossover game I've ever played, to hell with marvel vs Capcom.
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Gone Gonzo Posts: 1521 Joined: 5 Jul 2008 | I don't think a move that takes ages to charge (and so is easily avoidable and/or interruptible) but is a one hit kill is really that cheap. That fireball basically requires you to stand still for a good while. But really, there's a reason why it's called the SNK Boss Syndrome and not the Capcom Boss Syndrome. Because when it comes to cheating, SNK does it best. The bosses in their games almost always read your inputs. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1347 Joined: 12 May 2009 |
I don't think it's a fluke, I simply think it's a Goku type situation. No matter what, Ryu will eventually find a way. And if I've learned anything the Setsui No Hadou, is actually not the right way. So, I wasn't surprised when Sagat won that one. He's much much more powerful, certainly, but when he learns to control that, ala the end of the new SF movie, he reaches a higher level. Anyway, you could again argue that Ryu in SF3, wasn't nearly the fighter he was later on in his life. After all, SF3 falls a mere 2 years into the SF timeline. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3586 Joined: 8 Dec 2007  | The Might Bison wipes the floor with them all, anyway. "OF COURSE!" |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1347 Joined: 12 May 2009 | [quote="ChromeAlchemist" post="9.122664.2477852]Oh sweet Jesus don't even make me think about it. CvS2 was easily the best crossover game I've ever played, to hell with marvel vs Capcom Agreed, CVS2 is honestly my favorite SF of all time at this point. Just so many different people to play, all extremely well balanced. And I'm still pretty prideful that I beat the survival mode on my own heh. That took some work, custom grooves were so worth it though. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 68 Joined: 15 Jan 2009   |
You clearly have a firm grasp on this concept of the "Vs." fighting game, and as such would like your opinion on my suggestion for the genre:DragonBall Z vs. Sailor Moon. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 68 Joined: 15 Jan 2009 |
Maybe the issue is that capcom develop each game while completely disregarding the rest of the series. This would account for why there have been so many res evil games, and yet we're somehow only up to Resident Evil 5. |
BANNED  Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008  | I want to see Capcom vs. Sony. Come on, you know that would be seven kinds of awesome. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3178 Joined: 24 Dec 2008 |
Did you just call him Ken Masters?, listen Chrome, this is my thread and I will not have people speaking about Ken favourably and say his second name, I fucking hate him, I only hate him due to his character profile and his stupid overpowered dragon punch. But regardless I will not fucking stand for it! I'm so glad they nerfed Ken in favour of Ryu for SF4, Ryu's rightful place is at the top echelon of fighting game prowess, he fights for honour and to better himself, Ken fights for shits and giggles, the big blouse. And he's American with blond hair. christ man Not to say I dislike Yanks, I just dont like them as a characterised fighter, strange that, I spout about not being a patriot yet being French I naturally gravitate towards the French fighters such as Remy the Emo bitch from SF3, Abel in SF4 (his move priority makes him cool) and Leon Rafale in Virtua Fighter. Its just I fucking hate the Ken hadoken spammers you used to get in every arcade, I was like 12 and the bigger boys would go mad at me for choosing someone other then Ken, you know what bigger boys? its my money and I'll play who I want... hahaha bigger boys, whose the better man now ? AYE? yeah thats right, I'm the better man for choosing Ryu over Ken, since he's the stronger now, in fact i'm so much the better man I'm on the internet telling strangers i'm better than you. You can't bully me anymore bigger boys! HAHAHAHAAH! EDIT, whoops, did my mind just snap like a dry and brittle twig while typing the above? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4917 Joined: 23 Mar 2009 |
I'll see your Goku and raise you Sailor Saturn. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1594 Joined: 26 Apr 2009   | I want Megaman Legends 3. I could care less about street Fighter. The game is old. GIVE THE BLUE BOMBER SOME LOVE. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3178 Joined: 24 Dec 2008 |
ermmm, who would be on Sony's team?, Kratos?, Rico from Killzone (please no). They should make a new Killer Instinct though, special guest the FuzzleGums from Viva Pinata. And they could have Kazooie, where they outright bludgeon him just like they did in Nuts and bolt. |
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Kratos, Ratchet, Cole, Sly, Jak, Drake, Dan Fortesque, Sackboy, Wander, Sweet Tooth, Gabriel Logan, a Helghast, Ico, Toan, and The White Knight, off the top of my head. Megaman Vs. Ratchet, Dante Vs. Kratos, Blanka Vs. Cole, Okami Vs. Sackboy, and so on. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
On the Record Posts: 5157 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
Indeed it did. Don't bother trying to blame it on heatstroke either. As for the post, I said it before, Ken MASTERS having the edge in DPs is to make up for the damned character shadowing and Ryu worship that has been going on by fans and Capcom alike. Did you watch SFIV the movie? It's not even worth putting in spoiler tags. Ryu fights Seth and Ken stops everyone including himself from getting involved, for no other reason but that Ryu is the protagonist and supposed Superman of the Capcom universe. Where I'm from (not sure if you are in London or not, but I am), Ryu is much preferred over Ken (especially Hadou spammers, I'm surprised Hadou spammers used Ken), and I despise Ryu. Even as a character, his hollow personality and hobo mentality stress me out. Ken might seem like he fights for shiggles, but it's far from it. Ryu and Ken have been rivals for a reason, always trying to better themselves as fighters. As far as canon goes, they are equal, and Ken doesn't fight for TeH LulZ, he's just never fought with a killing intent before. And you want to talk overpowered? With the Dragon Punch you have to get close. With the Hadouken, the same hadouken that stuns you with three straight hits, is more powerful than Ken's in the game. Hadou spammers have a field day. So in summary, Ken 4 Life.
P.S. Leon Rafale was awesome in VF4, my second best character next to Vanessa. I personally found Remy to suck balls, however. And I forget which Emo bitch you might be referring to. |
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Hi there people, its wonderful to see so many people turn up to this conferance, like all good conferance's I'll say what I think and you'll all listen, in internet terms, you'll view the thread not make a reply and leave me feeling worthless since no discussion has been created as opposed to real life when you monologue and you feel superior when people haven't got an answer for you, with that out of the way, lets roll! :D
Now i've loved Street Fighter since the original (and by original I mean number 2, haha yeah I know), and I've used Ryu as my staple character to fall back on, I tried Guile and loved his overpowered regular moves, but as the series moved on to turbo and championship editions Ken was by far the stronger of the two. I would go to the arcades to sample Cammie and Fei long only to be challenged by a fire dragon punch and haduken spamming teen my senior by several years. To which I didn't have an answer to unless I used Ryu and his surperior defence with the hurricane kick.
Onto Street Fighter 3, and Ryu and Ken get added to the roster, great, I only find that Ryu once again is the lesser to Ken, once again as a defense character Ryu is much better but against a gamer who is an expert with Ken or Alex the Timer was your friend and greatest move.
What I dont understand is that the cannon states that Ryu is the best fighter, fine in competition I dont want everyone to use Ryu on the basis he is the best, but out of pure character I've always hated Akuma and Ken since I hate their snotty nosed brat "i'm the strongest" attitude. But the games always favoured Ryu's counterparts not him, even though story states otherwise.
Anyway, fast forward to Street Fighter 4, how happy am I to find that Ryu is in terms of tactics and defence, he is the strongest character. was it a concious decision by Capcom to do that?, Ken and Akuma are poor compared, even though the major movesets are the same. GREAT!
And now with Tatsunoko, The Eagle is arguably the biggest draw to this new fighting game in the VS franchise, and having seen videos the Eagles moves give a huge "recovery" period for your opponent after connecting. WHY? WHY?
i love you Eagle, why did capcom mistreat you as such?, I went apeshit seeing you in a fighting game with Ryu only for capcom to mess you up and make you less usefull than Morrigan?
Please Capcom, atone your sins, make Eagle on par with Ryu, he deserves it.