I support the boycott... but I'm primarily a console gamer, so I won't participate. As a former CS player, I understand where PC gamers are coming from, so they have my sympathy. Beyond that, though, there's really nothing I can do.

Not a Spy:

MurderousToaster:
No. You think this will be EFFECTIVE?

Oh, IW will be so angry that about 10 random people on the internet have had a 'nerd raeg' and refuse to buy their game?

Ooooh, that'll kill their company!

Just STFU. Noone likes boycotts, they don't work, they annoy people and the people who do them don't understand that what they're doing is wonderfully innefectual.

Ummm, hate to burst your bubble (not really, I'm actually enjoying this), but a lot more than 10 people have boycotted/ canceled their pre-orders over this. It's actually more like a hundred thousand.(http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw) So no, you STFU. Or at least have enough decency to back up your statements with facts. And for the record I'm not totally against the matchmaking system, but i think it'd be better if it was paired with a server browser.

You presume that I give a shit. You presume wrong. I was referring to THIS THREAD. Not the entirety of the fucking WORLD. Oh, so you expect me to rifle through piles of statistics simply to point out how many whiny fucktards have cancelled their order? If a game's singleplayer isn't good enough to stand on its own two legs, what's the point? I wouldn't buy a game if it was solely intended for multiplayer. They, apparently, don't think the Singleplayer is WORTH their money, so it's best that they DON'T buy it, as they are undeserving.

To bad Infinity Ward don't give no shit about boycotting

MurderousToaster:

Not a Spy:

MurderousToaster:
No. You think this will be EFFECTIVE?

Oh, IW will be so angry that about 10 random people on the internet have had a 'nerd raeg' and refuse to buy their game?

Ooooh, that'll kill their company!

Just STFU. Noone likes boycotts, they don't work, they annoy people and the people who do them don't understand that what they're doing is wonderfully innefectual.

Ummm, hate to burst your bubble (not really, I'm actually enjoying this), but a lot more than 10 people have boycotted/ canceled their pre-orders over this. It's actually more like a hundred thousand.(http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw) So no, you STFU. Or at least have enough decency to back up your statements with facts. And for the record I'm not totally against the matchmaking system, but i think it'd be better if it was paired with a server browser.

You presume that I give a shit. You presume wrong. I was referring to THIS THREAD. Not the entirety of the fucking WORLD. Oh, so you expect me to rifle through piles of statistics simply to point out how many whiny fucktards have cancelled their order? If a game's singleplayer isn't good enough to stand on its own two legs, what's the point? I wouldn't buy a game if it was solely intended for multiplayer. They, apparently, don't think the Singleplayer is WORTH their money, so it's best that they DON'T buy it, as they are undeserving.

Major dick alert!!! Call the waaaaaambulance!

Go fuck off asshole. We PC gamers do what we want to do. I have canceled my preorder already and we don't need your douchebag opinion cluttering up the threads.

you've obviously never been in contact with the internet or at least this site, because i think most people will agree that these boycotts are pointless and will acomplish nothing, as a couple thousand people potentially out of the millions that will by MW2 will do nothing to dissuade them from getting rid of dedicated servers, and likely just stop you getting a potentially great game because apparently a game doesn't need to stand on it's own, it just needs to be able to be modded.(ok that last one was a little vindictive, but my mini-rant' over now, and your a little dillusional garer much support here.)

Aw, would you like a tissue?

I'm not so much boycotting it as not buying it because it doesn't have the features I want in a game.

Having both a 360 and a PC I can see how both work. The PC definitely gets my preference. I mean how the hell did Halo 3 have such a successful multiplayer? The match making took an age, allowed very little customisation, and (as far as I was aware) you couldn't reconnect if you dropped out. And you had to go through this every time you wanted to play a map or gametype you wanted each and every round. Dreadful system.

Turtleboy1017:

MurderousToaster:

Not a Spy:

MurderousToaster:
No. You think this will be EFFECTIVE?

Oh, IW will be so angry that about 10 random people on the internet have had a 'nerd raeg' and refuse to buy their game?

Ooooh, that'll kill their company!

Just STFU. Noone likes boycotts, they don't work, they annoy people and the people who do them don't understand that what they're doing is wonderfully innefectual.

Ummm, hate to burst your bubble (not really, I'm actually enjoying this), but a lot more than 10 people have boycotted/ canceled their pre-orders over this. It's actually more like a hundred thousand.(http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw) So no, you STFU. Or at least have enough decency to back up your statements with facts. And for the record I'm not totally against the matchmaking system, but i think it'd be better if it was paired with a server browser.

You presume that I give a shit. You presume wrong. I was referring to THIS THREAD. Not the entirety of the fucking WORLD. Oh, so you expect me to rifle through piles of statistics simply to point out how many whiny fucktards have cancelled their order? If a game's singleplayer isn't good enough to stand on its own two legs, what's the point? I wouldn't buy a game if it was solely intended for multiplayer. They, apparently, don't think the Singleplayer is WORTH their money, so it's best that they DON'T buy it, as they are undeserving.

Major dick alert!!! Call the waaaaaambulance!

Go fuck off asshole. We PC gamers do what we want to do. I have canceled my preorder already and we don't need your douchebag opinion cluttering up the threads.

I am a PC gamer. Everyone else doesn't need your stupid spamming of 'we haet teh gaem bcuz it r not haz srvurz!11!!11!!1!1! cancul ordur'. Don't think you're the better person because you're 'standing up to "the man"' And, as for the waaaaaambulance thing, that's ironic for someone who's taking part in a boycott and basically crying because they're not going for what you want.

Zetona:

cainx10a:

Zetona:
Oh, how petty of all you PC gamers. You've had it too good for too long.

Or, more logically, removing dedicated servers might be some sort of cost-cutting measure. After all, this is an economic recession, and Activision/Infinity Ward are businesses as surely as PC gamers are not.

You do know that's it's not IW/Activision who keeps the server running.
You do know that servers can cost from $50 to $100 per month to keep them running.

Bolded Part: Is that jealousy? Lol.

Good point about the servers; I wasn't actually sure how dedicated servers worked.

Jealousy? Not really. More irritation at the élitism of some PC gamers than anything else.

I have yet to see any form of "elitism" yet. But as the old saying goes, when something ain't broke, don't fix it. Personally, I'm glad borderland have been well received, so now I can get another shooter game to play while waiting to see whether or not MW2 will have dedicated servers, which really is the backbone of online gaming for a lot of reasons (communities, quality of service etc ... etc ...).

EnderWigginDA:

The Bandit:

Then why is it that every single person crying about this issue is saying it's a money thing? I don't understand it. Perhaps you can explain.

In the new system Activision can now charge PC players for DLC content where is was free, but delayed, before. Presumably, if a clan wants to rent a server they will be paying Activision for a private server rather than a GSP (complete speculation on my part). So the short of it that Activision will be getting more money going to them. Thus, the general idea that Activision did it for the benjamins.

The DLC is bullshit, I agree. As is no mods. I would be much more pissed about that rather than stupid dedicated servers.

All this for dedicated servers? This boycott will achieve nothing its still going to sell millions and they will still make boatloads of money.

The Bandit:

EnderWigginDA:

The Bandit:

Then why is it that every single person crying about this issue is saying it's a money thing? I don't understand it. Perhaps you can explain.

In the new system Activision can now charge PC players for DLC content where is was free, but delayed, before. Presumably, if a clan wants to rent a server they will be paying Activision for a private server rather than a GSP (complete speculation on my part). So the short of it that Activision will be getting more money going to them. Thus, the general idea that Activision did it for the benjamins.

The DLC is bullshit, I agree. As is no mods. I would be much more pissed about that rather than stupid dedicated servers.

They go hand in hand... We have dedi servers, we have mods and free DLC. We can't have mods and free DLC without dedi servers.

I don't care about paying for DLC, that is fair enough, but they should find another way around making sure it's paid for without taking away servers. I've thought of afew ways this could be done but they have taken the easy option by just removing all freedom we have over the options of the game.

I was on the fence about getting this game in the first place, leaning more towards buying, but to remove dedicated servers and no mods made me not to want to buy it at all. It destroyed most of my replay value, I get bored with generic fps' quickly, but always enjoy playing CS mods. So I support the boycott even though it prob won't do much.

MurderousToaster:
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You know, if you really don't care, and think that this boycott is a fail, why are you saying ANYTHING?? You're not contributing to the thread, you're not formulating any good alternatives to a boycott, your just being a dick.

If you don't like what we are doing, don't comment on it. It just makes you look like an asshole. Trust me.

Ebola Cereal:
All this for dedicated servers? This boycott will achieve nothing its still going to sell millions and they will still make boatloads of money.

Sadly, this is what's basically going to happen.

"I'm sorry, I can't hear your half-hearted, collective whining over the sound of me rolling in money."

I love how many people think boycotting was invented by the L4D2 Boycott. People have been not buying things due to their displeasure since the beginning of buying things. It's kind of how our fine system works y'know, if you don't like a product don't give the company your money, and maybe they'll be forced to accommodate your wants/needs.

The most annoying thing about the L4D2 Boycott was the people whining about it anyways, so please just stop doing it. We get it, you like the product and want to spend money on it, that doesn't mean everyone else has to. Stop being such rabid fa.... actually nevermind that word is thrown around way too much as it is... umm... stop being such...

...

...

whiners! ... or something

While I understand that dedicated servers are important to a lot of people, I guess I'll just never understand what the big deal is. I mean, according to your description of what it's like on a dedicated server with your clan members, to me that just sounds like something you could easily do in a private match on any PC or console.

I wont get it, unless they sell it for dirt cheap, which they wont

Done.

sasquatch99:
I knew boy-cotting would be the 'in' thing...

Anyway, I won't as I'm getting it on 360.

This.

*sigh*
I hate repeating myself, however, there is a difference between the L4D2 boycott and this one. First, the L4D2 boycott was all about valve fans feeling betrayed because they felt Valve was selling out. This boycott is all about Infinity Ward taking out a fairly large part of multiplayer gameplay.
Also, some of you are acting like this was made as if I intended to gain attention from IW and get a response. They shut down the first petitions against the lack of dedicated servers. Honestly, I wasn't expecting to do much other than maybe inspire some people to not buy the game, maybe get a few others to agree with me, nothing more.
But I suppose that being able to look at something you dislike and criticize it is a lot harder than having the balls to post about something that you believe in. (That was sarcasm for you brainless dicks that can't detect sarcasm)

mydogisblue:
While I understand that dedicated servers are important to a lot of people, I guess I'll just never understand what the big deal is. I mean, according to your description of what it's like on a dedicated server with your clan members, to me that just sounds like something you could easily do in a private match on any PC or console.

Private servers allow more players in matches, such as this 50-player match (as opposed to the current 20 player limit on consoles). It might look like really gay shit, until you realize it's just for fun, to screw around in absurd situations.

Edit: For console gamers who don't know what it's like to have dedicated servers, here's a video to look at. As opposed to matchmaking where players are randomly matched up, dedicated servers allow players to select which maps they want, with x amount of players as desired, and to see the latency count. Edit 2: Also, as mentioned before, servers allow people to host matches with highly customized settings (i.e. Zombie Mod on CS:S. Sorry, but I can't find a decent video).

Everyone who supports this new boycott that gave the L4D2 boycott grief should get a shiny new badge called "Massive hypocrite"

Are you freaking serious. Way to admit how much of a complaining baby you are, and believe me, thats as light as I can put it. Maybe it's time to remind you guys that this is a freaking game. Sorry you can't get everything you want. This is why people look down on the video gaming community. Why don't you go out and worry about a real problem in the world. Quit being babies about a game that will blow away every competition out there.

Eh, I guess I understand. hearing that their were no dedicated servers was totally not sexually arousing, at all.

But I'm a single player guy anyway, so that won't stop me from buying it and mispronouncing it as Modern WarFIRE like a Belgian who learned English from playing WoW.

Your honestly going to tell me your hyped up for MW2 on the pc? we got all these great games, though short listed. and all you people care about is some game that was designed with only consoles in mind and PC as a side view. you could be playing Savage 2 or Team Fortress 2, but instead your worried about some console fanboys left overs? I didn't see a SINGLE aspect of Modern Warfare 1 that would keep my interest beyond console life. We have a large stock of dedicated PC games (though few.) I... just don't see the point of boycotting when you could be doing something else... like playing one of the many fun Indie games that pop here and there. thats where the PC's staying power is gonna be for years to come. companys like Popcap and Stardock who are mostly independent. I wouldn't have it any other way myself...

Boycott seems a bit silly, I'm just not buying the game. They have shown me that they don't want my money, I won't argue.

MurderousToaster:

Not a Spy:

MurderousToaster:
No. You think this will be EFFECTIVE?

Oh, IW will be so angry that about 10 random people on the internet have had a 'nerd raeg' and refuse to buy their game?

Ooooh, that'll kill their company!

Just STFU. Noone likes boycotts, they don't work, they annoy people and the people who do them don't understand that what they're doing is wonderfully innefectual.

Ummm, hate to burst your bubble (not really, I'm actually enjoying this), but a lot more than 10 people have boycotted/ canceled their pre-orders over this. It's actually more like a hundred thousand.(http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw) So no, you STFU. Or at least have enough decency to back up your statements with facts. And for the record I'm not totally against the matchmaking system, but i think it'd be better if it was paired with a server browser.

You presume that I give a shit. You presume wrong. I was referring to THIS THREAD. Not the entirety of the fucking WORLD. Oh, so you expect me to rifle through piles of statistics simply to point out how many whiny fucktards have cancelled their order? If a game's singleplayer isn't good enough to stand on its own two legs, what's the point? I wouldn't buy a game if it was solely intended for multiplayer. They, apparently, don't think the Singleplayer is WORTH their money, so it's best that they DON'T buy it, as they are undeserving.

I am with this guy. The boycott won't work,and seeing how it's going to be the best selling game, I don't think it matters to them. I don't think they even are going to comprehend that people are bitching about such a small thing in a multiplayer that has most likely already won multiplayer of the year.

Turtleboy1017:

MurderousToaster:
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You know, if you really don't care, and think that this boycott is a fail, why are you saying ANYTHING?? You're not contributing to the thread, you're not formulating any good alternatives to a boycott, your just being a dick.

If you don't like what we are doing, don't comment on it. It just makes you look like an asshole. Trust me.

Amen. MurderousToaster, If you dont care, then why are you posting? And if you do, why cant you be bothered to "rifle through piles of statistics simply to point out how many whiny fucktards have cancelled their order"? (which, if you did, you'd find I'm right. And it didnt involve "rifling", just one google search) It seems like your only purpose here is to antagonize anyone who disagrees with you. And if that's the case, allow me to show you the door. It's the big "X" in your browser's upper-right corner.

This will never work.

And I really don't care that much. I just want to shoot people and enjoy the new story they have to offer.

sturryz:
I didn't see a SINGLE aspect of Modern Warfare 1 that would keep my interest beyond console life.

1. Mods
2. Custom Servers
3. Familiar players in servers
None of that appeals to you?

-sigh

Things taken OUT:
-Player-bought dedicated servers
-Punkbuster
-Mods

Things put IN:
-VAC
-Matchmaking & Smoother Gameplay: [http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745] With IWNET matchmaking, it takes all that into account for you. All you have to do is select the playlist (pre-set gametypes with custom rules) that fits the style of play you are in the mood for. When you do, it will automatically find you a game with the best performance, ping, and preferences based on your location and individual connection as well as matching you with players of your same SKILL.
-Playlists and Private Matches: [Same Website] If you just want to jump into a public game of Search and Destroy or Hardcore Search and Destroy and you don't care about fully customizing it, then you can utilize playlists to do that quickly for you. However, say you're in a clan and you want to play a Clan match with another team, or you want to practice for an upcoming tournament that has specific rules in a private game. Then you can start a Private Match (which is essentially like running your own private server) where you have complete control over the rules, who can join, boot players you don't want, and essentially control the entire game or tweak it to your liking. Once the rules are set, you can invite the other team in or just start it up with your clan to practice with the custom rules before the match. This now allows you to play custom games out of the box without the need to install mods, find a modded server with the rules you like, or worry about not being in control of the match.
-Party System and Friendslist: [Website is same] You can utilize the friendslist to see when your friends are online, and invite them to your Party. A Party allows you to move from game to game as a group. It's great for clan matches, because you can party of with your clan and move from public game to public game together.

I honestly don't see why there is a boycott. The system sounds like it's fucking superior to the fucking list we have now.

L4D2, MW2... I wonder what sequels we'll boycott next?

I couldn't care less about CoD, but I'm "boycotting" Activision as a whole (as in not buying their stuff), because they simply turned into shit lately and already far surpassed the new level of "corporate" and "dick" EA ever was. They've stopped doing things for the "Community" for years now. It just sucks that they're dragging Blizzard down with them, a few headlines for people to know what the fuck I'm talking about:

• Activision had just merged with Blizzard and it was decided, that StarCraft isn't going to make enough money as one normal game that's great, so they have to pad it and sell it as 3 full-price titles which are mediocre, of which you will need all to properly play the multiplayer part competitively.
  http://kotaku.com/5061980/starcraft-ii-single-player-is-a-trilogy
• Soon after they've been dropping games like Brütal Legend and Ghostbusters from their Portfolio, because they seemingly can't be exploited on an annual basis for enough $$$.
  http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/06/activision-blizzard-ceo-kotick-vivendi-franchises-lacked-poten/

  Kotick (Activision's CEO) says:

  With respect to the franchises that don't have the potential to be exploited every year across every platform with clear sequel potential that can meet our objectives of over time becoming $100 million plus franchises, that's a strategy that has worked very well for us.

  

• "Blizzard" decides to drop the LAN playability mode on both Diablo 3 and StarCraft 2, so everyone that wants to play their game HAS to have a Battle.Net Account, an Unique Key (no longer playing with your mates or family on a private LAN with one copy of the game, but everyone needs his own and has to be logged in while doing so).
  http://starcraft.incgamers.com/blog/comments/no-lan-in-starcraft-ii-confirmed/
  They also decided to turn the new Battle.Net 2.0 into a Privacy and Modder's Nightmare

  Battle.Net says:

  In order to provide the Battle.net Service, Blizzard must be entitled to access, monitor and/or review text chat, including private, or "whisper" chat, in the event of complaints from other users or violations of the law. By clicking the check box below, you agree that Blizzard (or one of Blizzard's affiliates) has the right to monitor and review personal messages you send or receive on the Battle.net Service, or through any game that is playable through the Battle.net Service, to investigate potential violations of the law, the Battle.net Terms of Use, or the Terms of Use agreement specific to any game playable on the Battle.net Service. Blizzard will not use the information for any reason other than pursuing such violations.

  11.4 User Content. "Content" means any communications, images, sounds, and all the material and information that you upload or transmit through a Game client or the Service, or that other users upload or transmit, including without limitation any chat text. You hereby grant Blizzard a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, paid-up, non-exclusive, license, including the right to sublicense to third parties, and right to reproduce, fix, adapt, modify, translate, reformat, create derivative works from, manufacture, introduce into circulation, publish, distribute, sell, license, sublicense, transfer, rent, lease, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, or provide access to electronically, broadcast, communicate to the public by telecommunication, display, perform, enter into computer memory, and use and practice such Content as well as all modified and derivative works thereof. To the extent permitted by applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any Content.

• After noticing that Brütal Legend might be a bigger Deal than they previously anticipated, as it had won E3 awards and was on the front wall of the entrance building, Activision decided to sue Double Fine to try and stop releasing the game altogether:
  http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/59034

  Activision is suing Double Fine Productions to stop the release of Brutal Legend, The Associated Press reported, claiming it still holds a valid contract to publish the heavy metal fantasy and has invested roughly $15 million in it.

  The dispute stems from Brutal Legend's troubled history. Activision declined to acquire the game's publishing rights from Vivendi when the two merged in July 2008. EA picked up Brutal Legend that December, and planned to release it on October 13 this year.

  Reports emerged in February that Activision believed it was still in negotiations over Brutal Legend when EA picked up the title, and was considering suing. An EA representative responded that it would "be like a husband abandoning his family and then suing after his wife meets a better looking guy."

  EA and Double Fine Productions have yet to respond, but we'll keep you updated.

• Blizzard decides that raising the entry prices for its Blizzcon 2009 from 100$ to 125$ would be a good idea, also for the first time ever, one can watch a Stream of the Event Live over DirecTV or the Internet, yours only and exclusively for 39.95$
  http://blizzcon.rayv.com/Pages/en/faq.aspx
  Can't have free coverage like say during the biggest gaming events like the E3 or Tokyo Game Show...
• Soon after raising prices for games that require Peripherals and for example Modern Warfare 2 by 10-20%, Kotick says if it were up to him he would "raise the prices" of games even further:
  http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/5100/kotick-would-raise-the-prices-of-games-further-if-it-was-left-to-him

  "And then on the second question, Tony, on the pricing, we've had for all of our launch titles in the back half of this year, some of which contain peripherals, as you point out, very strong retailer acceptance and support for all parts of our plan, including our merchandising plans, our marketing programs, and our price points," replied Mike Griffith to an analysts question.

  Bobby Kotick chips in: "And Tony, you know if it was left to me, I would raise the prices even further." It was then that the other executives chuckled, before pausing and moving on to another question during the Q2 earnings call Q&A.

• Activision continues to sell their retarded Guitar Hero crap, breaking the barrier of 10 releases in 3 years and still making money with it
• On a finances conference in San Francisco Kotick (Activision's CEO again) literally says it was his GOAL "To Take All the Fun Out of Making Video Games":
  http://www.industrygamers.com/news/bobby-koticks-goal-to-take-all-the-fun-out-of-making-video-games/

  Kotick says:

  Kotick noted that in the past he changed the employee incentive program so that it "really rewards profit and nothing else." He continued, "You have studio heads who five years ago didn't know the difference between a balance sheet and a bed sheet who are now arguing allocations in our CFO's office pretty regularly. ... We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."

  Yes, he just said that.

  Ultimately, Kotick doesn't want his employees to take anything for granted. They should always be aware of "skepticism, pessimism, and fear" in the midst of the global economic downturn. "We are very good at keeping people focused on the deep depression," he said.

  Cheery fellow.

• Infinity Ward decides to drop Modding Support and Dedicated Server so they can control every Aspect of their game, just like on consoles and demand money for such "Premium Content", like 1-2 New maps in DLCs
  http://kotaku.com/5384057/new-modern-warfare-matchmaking-service-will-definitely-reshape-pc-community

  Just one more step of many in destroying video gaming and penetrating the customer up their ...

Activision has the power to destroy PC gaming and tries as best it can, or even worse turning it into Console gaming, the least I can do is not help them doing it with my hard earned cash...

I wasn't going to buy this anyway. I have just enough modern warfare shooty fun with Counter Strike. And thanks to the dedicated servers and mods, I doubt I'll ever get bored with it.