I would join the boycott except I am not planning to buy the game anyway.

[V.2]:
You mess with the PC community, you mess with one of the most powerful forces in society.

Sorry, but as soon as I read that I couldn't take it seriously any more.

Andantil:
No. I'm going to get it because I like shooting things.
I could care less about dedicated servers, I just go online to shoot people instead of things.

The phrase is 'I couldn't care less'. It doesn't make any sense to say you could care less.

Dark Templar:
Everyone who supports this new boycott that gave the L4D2 boycott grief should get a shiny new badge called "Massive hypocrite"

The boycotts are for completely different reasons though.

The L4D one was complaining about a brand new shiny game being made.

This is about a brand new shiny game being ruined for no valid reason.

I'm not going to miss the best game this year just because one element of it doesn't meet up to your personal expectations.

You can boycott it if you like, but don't try and coerce others into doing the same!

Also, the best thing PCs have over consoles is a mouse.

I'm not buying this because of the lack of dedicated servers, high price and lack of mods. IW can piss off.

mattman106:
I'm not buying this because of the lack of dedicated servers, high price and lack of mods. IW can piss off.

Ditto

rebmcr:
You can boycott it if you like, but don't try and coerce convince others into doing the same!

Fixed. Unless you force some1 it isnt coerce. ^_^

DJ Lord Destructocon:
Come on guys, we jut got over the L4D2 boycott, do we really have to do this? I understand this is a major thing for PC gamers, but really? I'm kind of glad to see that this thread isn't going anywhere.

5 pages worth of nowhere...Ironically your post said nothing, you 'understand it's a major thing', yet the 'but really?' suggests you don't.

I have to get it on PC because my xbox 360 just went RoD ;__;

I won't be boycotting it as I don't do the online bit anyway, but I will be waiting for the price to decrease...

oh the irony, pc gamers complaining about mods and such :P

Kellerb:
oh the irony, pc gamers complaining about mods and such :P

We complain about this and Console gamers complain about paying for DLC we all have our pet peeves. [tho i'm sure it won't be long before they start charging PC gamers for DLC too :( ]

I must be the only person who buys Call of Duty games for multiplayer.

I could care less about deidcated multiplayer serviers and mods. I'll be happy to pick up and play my copy.

I have never been a part of PC-gaming... ever, in fact, but taking away mods seems like a REALLY dangerous move.

I know from Left 4 Dead, Half-Life 2, Crysis, and other PC ports that there's more than a fair number of people out there who like to be innovative with map ideas, and this is going to seriously limit the value they can get out of a game.

I don't really know all that much about dedicated servers, though, so I'll just keep quiet about it.

http://news.spong.com/article/19545/Infinity-Ward-Modern-Warfare-2-for-Fans-Not-Modders

confirmation of the news,

I have to say....IW is shooting themselves in the foot.....with a 40mm grenade!

quite an explosive backlash!

true that server cost are expensive ^^^

but if its only going to be peer-peer, least they could have done is done some research into the average gaming rig, and what it can handle, and work around that.

To quote the article:

"Unfortunately, it seems the anger fell on deaf ears, as Infinity Ward head Jason West replied directly to the increasingly negative reaction from the fanbase; "We're just prioritising the player experience above the modders and the tuners. We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game."

-ok good, nice your putting the avaerage jo gamer above the hardcore modding community, but that doesn't mean you burn the bridge between them totally!

Everyone who boycotts grow up, just because someone does something that you don't approve of doesn't mean you have to throw your toys out the pram, it's not that big a deal, if it was major like no pc game/pc multi player at-all then you should boycott it, but this kind of thing shouldn't mean that much. and if you don't like it, stick to cod 4 for that kind of thing.

Zetona:
Oh, how petty of all you PC gamers. You've had it too good for too long.

Or, more logically, removing dedicated servers might be some sort of cost-cutting measure. After all, this is an economic recession, and Activision/Infinity Ward are businesses as surely as PC gamers are not.

Ugg, please don't comment on shit you have no idea what you are talking about.

What IW have done is remove access to PRIVATE servers! Literally all IW has to do is allow it in the game code to connect to the relevant online structure and these servers are cheap to run with most of it covered by philanthropic admins, small donations and banner adds seen as the game is loading.

Also what the hell is that bullshit about seeing PC gaming as "Elitist".

PC gamers people put in a lot of time, money and effort into getting the most out of their games, why the hell would you have a problem with that?

I don't care what you say now, what you HAVE said shows you are just bitter and jealous even though PC gaming is completely open to you or anybody else. But I think your snide remarks come from frustration over your own tech incompetence.

You could reap the benefits of PC gaming but that would take effort in understanding the nuances of game rending that likely you cannot be bothered with.

sethzard:
Everyone who boycotts grow up, just because someone does something that you don't approve of doesn't mean you have to throw your toys out the pram, it's not that big a deal, if it was major like no pc game/pc multi player at-all then you should boycott it, but this kind of thing shouldn't mean that much. and if you don't like it, stick to cod 4 for that kind of thing.

Do some of you people even know what "boycott" means? It means not buying something. How can you not buy something if it's not coming out?

boy·cott (boikt)
tr.v. boy·cott·ed, boy·cott·ing, boy·cotts
To abstain from or act together in abstaining from using, buying, or dealing with as an expression of protest or disfavor or as a means of coercion.

Turtleboy1017:

Bigeyez:
Taking it away from PC gamers? Last time I check IF owns Call of Duty and "owes" gamers jack squat. It's amazing the sense of entitlement people on the internet have about videogames.

Get over it, seriously.

Hey, did you know that air strikes, knife throwing, as well as the new gunship and predator missile perks were all mods from the PC version of CoD?

Did you know the first CoD was released on PC exclusively, and the next game was fueled by the funds acquired from all the PC gamers who purchased it?

IW may not owe every single one of us, but they owe it to the PC community to support us.

Except that they really don't...You can argue all day about mods and "contributions" consumers made to the game, but IF (or any game developer for that matter) doesn't "owe" us as consumers anything, period. You don't like how the game is going to be shipped, then don't play it. Not picking on you specifically, but gamers in general have this enormous sense of entitlement over videogame products.

All IF "has" to do is deliver a playable game to the PC market, make sure it works, and thats it. It's up to you as a consumer to then decide if that final product is worth your money...and chances are, the game will be good and most of the people complaining will end up buying the game anyway.

So again I say get over it. Crying about it isn't going to change their minds on this one, so all this interweb rage is useless.

Cuniculus:
You make a good point... however boycotts never work. Especially those started on the internet.

Exactly, just look at Bad Company.

I will not boycott it.I had to live through no dedicated servers and no mods for my online PS3 games.Why should you get any special treatment.

And i will still get it for the PC just to make you mad.

DJ Lord Destructocon:
Come on guys, we jut got over the L4D2 boycott, do we really have to do this? I understand this is a major thing for PC gamers, but really? I'm kind of glad to see that this thread isn't going anywhere.

Yes we really did have to do this mods and having clan owned servers for matches is a massive part of CoD online games this has effectively killed a large part of the online experience.

MurderousToaster:
No. You think this will be EFFECTIVE?

Oh, IW will be so angry that about 10 random people on the internet have had a 'nerd raeg' and refuse to buy their game?

Ooooh, that'll kill their company!

Just STFU. Noone likes boycotts, they don't work, they annoy people and the people who do them don't understand that what they're doing is wonderfully innefectual.

This is hardly 10 random people in a short time the petition has gotten over 100k signs so get your stats right it isn't just a few people with nerd rage.

Bigeyez:

Turtleboy1017:

Bigeyez:
Taking it away from PC gamers? Last time I check IF owns Call of Duty and "owes" gamers jack squat. It's amazing the sense of entitlement people on the internet have about videogames.

Get over it, seriously.

Hey, did you know that air strikes, knife throwing, as well as the new gunship and predator missile perks were all mods from the PC version of CoD?

Did you know the first CoD was released on PC exclusively, and the next game was fueled by the funds acquired from all the PC gamers who purchased it?

IW may not owe every single one of us, but they owe it to the PC community to support us.

Except that they really don't...You can argue all day about mods and "contributions" consumers made to the game, but IF (or any game developer for that matter) doesn't "owe" us as consumers anything, period. You don't like how the game is going to be shipped, then don't play it. Not picking on you specifically, but gamers in general have this enormous sense of entitlement over videogame products.

All IF "has" to do is deliver a playable game to the PC market, make sure it works, and thats it. It's up to you as a consumer to then decide if that final product is worth your money...and chances are, the game will be good and most of the people complaining will end up buying the game anyway.

So again I say get over it. Crying about it isn't going to change their minds on this one, so all this interweb rage is useless.

Em remember that little map pack for CoD4 with the remake of Caretan on it that is just a reskin of Caretan mod for CoD4 made by someone I know so they do owe us 25% of "their" map pack.

Where have I seen this before? *cough* L4D2 *cough*
I bet Infinity Ward will be devastated by this.
OT: I am sorry but this is fucking retarded. Don't you think that there is, in fact, a reason for "the evil IW" to remove those features, other than to mess with the PC community.
You'll buy the fucking game anyway.

Journeythroughhell:
Where have I seen this before? *cough* L4D2 *cough*
I bet Infinity Ward will be devastated by this.
OT: I am sorry but this is fucking retarded. Don't you think that there is, in fact, a reason for "the evil IW" to remove those features, other than to mess with the PC community.
You'll buy the fucking game anyway.

Here, maybe this little video can explain it to you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUpZVnceJx4

Every single person in this thread who have said they are going to buy this game is a fucking moron. You know what you all just said? "Durr, aye want pey hunded n mur for regluar gaems! Garms iz too chaepe!"

Modern Warfare 2 and everyone involved in its creation, testing, manufacturing, distribution I tell you this: Go drown in a fire.

I hate you all!

I probably wouldn't have been too happy about buying it right away anyways. At least this gives me a new reason for not caring about the new Modern Warfare game.

Journeythroughhell:
Where have I seen this before? *cough* L4D2 *cough*
I bet Infinity Ward will be devastated by this.
OT: I am sorry but this is fucking retarded. Don't you think that there is, in fact, a reason for "the evil IW" to remove those features, other than to mess with the PC community.
You'll buy the fucking game anyway.

Good god people. You along with plenty of others in this thread seems to have no fucking clue on what's going on and WHY we are mad. Go back to your consoles if it doesn't bother you.

Seriously, it isn't that hard to grasp.

Can you seriously see IW being able to support with servers for the ENTIRE WORLD? :/ Think about countries with less player base than USA but still got plenty.

Valve are unable to handle to a release of a new popular game without having the servers crashing due to overload and you are asking IW to deal with a number 20+ times larger at ONCE?

This will lead to crappy ping, unable to find servers that you like, being sent to servers with few players on and so on.

Living in Sweden I can safely say we will get lower support than USA will and due to that. All the Swedish players will either fight to get into those few servers that we have or we will have way higher ping. Rather than just letting us join the server with the best ping.

There is a GOOD reason why no other online FPS have used this type of netcode. It fails right away. One game tried and it was released not long ago, like Medal of Honor: Airborne something and it failed.
Almost no popular FPS or even unpopular FPS use this system.

Even DICE said it's a bad move and they made Battlefield series and due to Dedicated servers, their games lived on for much much longer than a normal game.

Also what will happen if IW focus on a new game? Will the server support be cut in half?

So we are mad because we get LESS and a worse version that what we could have gotten and we have to pay MORE for less features.
IQ can try this system but they will quickly find out how bad it is when the servers crash and people complaining on forums about bad ping issues.

There are things you don't just change.

this will definitely work

I have stated my piont on this already but no I wont buy, i never really intented too.

I love my PC. But I also love the SP experience IW gives so for me it's still worth my 45 €.

Is the MP shit then I just go back playing TF2 as I've done for the last year.

I agree with everything but this part :

[V.2]:
You mess with the PC community, you mess with one of the most powerful forces in society.

I do think that IW should allow for Dedicated servers, but going as far as saying the PC (I assume gaming) community is one of the most powerful forces in society is a bit exaggerating. Not in the sense that it's not the most powerful compared to other gaming communities, but we are talking about the customer (gamer) vs. a Company making a product (IW). It's not like the PC gaming community was going to change dramatically the way the world works, much less the whole gaming industry. Gaming is still just entertainment and should be seen as such. You don't like a certain company/game franchise? Just don't buy the damn game, buy something else. Just because you're a fan of the COD franchise doesn't mean you're entitled for anything. It's the L4D boycott all over again (by the way the ''official'' boycott group for that game was disbanded).

Meh, I don't really care about the game itself, so I wouldn't bother

Glefistus:
Way ahead of you, I was already not going to buy it when I saw the gameplay footage.

Also, this

If only my computer could run it in the first place.. I mean sure I'll boycott he PC version.

Machines Are Us:
I would join the boycott except I am not planning to buy the game anyway.

[V.2]:
You mess with the PC community, you mess with one of the most powerful forces in society.

Sorry, but as soon as I read that I couldn't take it seriously any more.

I agree with you there, its ridiculous because they aren't a community. Does that mean that someone who plays minesweeper is going to pick up a sledgehammer and join the ranks of the fellow bloggers, gamers and internet perverts to attack infinity headquarters. Which is ofcourse comprised of corrupt army soldiers who torture captured PCians and live in their fortified volcano.

^{Why hasn't infinity ward made this game?}

ouch111:
It's the L4D boycott all over again (by the way the ''official'' boycott group for that game was disbanded).

They can only hope for as much success as the L4D2 boycott. The leaders decided to stop running it after they felt that they had achieved all that they could, which was more than anyone really expected them to achieve. If only every company listened to their customers like Valve!

Power to these guys if they can get the company to cater more to their customers. The only thing I hate about this is all the complainers and whiners who put the boycott down for absolutely no logical reason whatsoever. Seriously, grow up

[V.2]:
If you haven't heard already, Infinity Ward has released the information that there will be NO DEDICATED SERVERS and NO MODS for the PC version of Modern Warfare 2. When it comes to computers, one of the most fundamental advantages a PC gamer has over a console gamer is the ability to mod or play mods.

Aww, diddums. May as well just buy it on a console then, or are you too afraid to mingle with the common-folk?
Personally, I wouldn't buy it, s'not my type of game. Boycotting it is the knee-jerk, 'cutting-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face' response, and game publishers won't really give a flying twosie.

Why boycot something which will almost certainly be an excellent game, just because it doesn't give you MORE options than the other (i.e console) platforms? I can understand if someone who wanted it mostly for clan matches and modding is gonna drop it now, but a boycot?

cainx10a:

Zetona:
Oh, how petty of all you PC gamers. You've had it too good for too long.

Or, more logically, removing dedicated servers might be some sort of cost-cutting measure. After all, this is an economic recession, and Activision/Infinity Ward are businesses as surely as PC gamers are not.

You do know that's it's not IW/Activision who keeps the server running.
You do know that servers can cost from $50 to $100 per month to keep them running.

Bolded Part: Is that jealousy? Lol.

$50-$100 per month? Seriously? Do you mean every single server operating worldwide?. Dedicated servers cost in the cents per year for large scale companies to run, even in Australia (the land of terrible ISPs, poor connections and bloated hardware costs) it is far less than $50 a month to host a single server through an ISP. Ultimately I'm agreeing with your point, that servers cost dick all to host and it isn't a cost activision are taken for anyway, but it re-emphasizing how unbeleivably cheap it is to run a dedicated server.

It doesn't matter whether people think a boycott or not will make any difference, too much has been done too wrong with this title, and a significant portion of the market will not buy this game on PC because of it (whether they simply move onto another platform or skip the game altogether is another thought). I am not buying it, I have bought every PC call of duty except for 5 (I buy them for the multiplayer). This is not a rare train of thought and activision are aware that a huge portion of the PC gaming community will feel similarly, ultimately it's their call, if they don't want my support that's their decision...The quality of call of duty games has been rapidly decreasing since 2, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make anywhere near what they expect too off of mw2. I also wouldn't care if they made double.