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Press Junketeer  Posts: 498 Joined: 5 Oct 2008     | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1905 Joined: 11 Mar 2009    |
I am pretty sure IW doesn't owe anyone anything except the bill collectors. They don't have to support Gamers at all. Valve Doesn't owe PC gamers anything either. They do it because they want to. Not because they are forced to. Plus, this is just a game. It isn't the end of the world if they take out dedicated servers. Also, I am a PC gamer. I just don't play FPS on the PC. I play more stuff like Oblivion, WoW, Total War series. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1905 Joined: 24 Jan 2008     | Eugh. PC gamers are the bitchiest people out there. When a developer makes a move like that, the PC community jumps on it all while making themselves look like jackasses. It should be worth mentioning that not everyone has as big a budget to spend on games or whatever, and that consoles are sometimes the best bet if people can't afford to upgrade a PC or own only a laptop. Seriously, this will be as laughable as Left 4 Dead 2's boycott, and I'm willing to bit once IW caves in and puts something like Dedicated servers in the game, that community will find something else to bitch about. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1905 Joined: 11 Mar 2009 | I can understand why people are mad about this. Something vital to someones Gaming experience was taken away and it makes people mad. But, getting this mad about a game seems silly. I hate it when Uwe Boll makes video game films but I don't almost have a heart attack over it. I hope IW puts dedicated servers back in but if they don't people will have to accept that there will be no dedicated servers MW2. Also, I am a PC gamer/console Gamer. I play both systems so please don't accuse me of being a fanboy or an elitist as I play both my PC and consoles equally. |
Muckraker  Posts: 279 Joined: 2 Sep 2009     |
No, consoles have had it too crappy for too long. Seriously, I may be a PC gamer, but I have had a few consoles in my life. Think about it, xbox live for windows doesn't cost me squat and yet xbox live costs you money. We also get mods and you don't, not to mentions almost all DLC is free. I feel it's time for all console owners to rise up and demand the same advantages as your PC brethren (wow I'm getting really nationalistic huh?). How you will do that I don't know, but I will support you every step of the way. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4924 Joined: 3 Jan 2009  |
Sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately what seems more likely to happen is that PC gaming will now be dragged in the other direction and lose its advantages. I can totally understand how people are pissed, its thier favorite hobby and its getting all fucked up. Of course they're angry. Welcome to the world of host advantage and lag, guys! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4296 Joined: 20 Dec 2007    | I say do not even bother making a public outcry about the travesty, just don't buy it. Do what you like with my $0.02 - I didn't read the thread, I arrived late....but I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING! I was compelled to! |
Beat Writer  Posts: 187 Joined: 27 Jul 2008    | I don't understand why console gamers are with Infinity Ward in this other than being pure fanboys. Are these good things to support in a developer/publisher? regardless of platform. They aren't doing it for the good of their fanbase, but for the good of their wallets. Oh, since when did enjoying and taking advantage features that have been present in nearly every PC multiplayer since their birth become 'elitist'? |
Beat Writer  Posts: 183 Joined: 7 Nov 2006   | I am just going to buy it used at some point later in the year. That way I get to have fun in single player (MW1 had a great single player campaign)....that being said it was incredibly short. Also I makes it so my dollars don't go to IW. It's sad they are trying to swing this as anything other than an obvious money-grab (also read as DLC) to prevent PC users from doing what they do. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1600 Joined: 4 Jul 2008    | Hey guys, just here to say that (after hearing the latest new) I'm officially joining the boycott. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1600 Joined: 4 Jul 2008 | Double-post, sorry. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 2 Joined: 7 Nov 2009 | I signed the Petition to boycott, and pre-order cancelled today. I would also like to add my two cents to this discussion. I have read alot of console gamers commenting in this forum, telling us PC players to quit whining, and to that I say: "Stay out of it." Our problems does not and will not affect you. Stick to your pirated Xbox copies. :) There are numerous reasons why many of us CHOOSE to play PC. Most of you console gamers are young (<18 year olds) who were in diapers when alot of us PC gamers we were playing Doom and Quake on PC. I personally choose to play PC because I am more comfortable with a keyboard and mouse than I am with a controller. All you young brats who grew up on PS are used to playing only console games because you couldnt afford the 2000 dollars it took to make up a gaming rig, so you couldnt understand the flight of the PC gamers. Again, just ignore the conversation. Your comments do not help us achieve what we want, and again, our comments have no correlation with with console gamers or your games. IW is taking away the very core of PC gaming. Dedicated servers. Yes, IW is concerned with pirating and hackers, but I doubt this is the reason for the change. It certainly does come down to money. They do not want to lose money on DLC in PC, and they certainly want to limit pirating or at least curb it to a smaller percentage than COD4. Essentially, they are turning the PC into a dumbed down version of the game, and I hope that it eventually backfires. The PC gaming community as a whole is a tight knit bunch who regularly gather and have LAN parties, play in CLAN games, and play competitively, which will all be significantly diminished if not abandoned by the lack of dedi servers. In addition, there are many of us who enjoy playing PC games because of the ability to play on servers with 50 or more players in it. Some of you Console gamers have never experienced this and have no idea what it is like, so its hard for you to know what that is like, and to have IW come out and say that the max players will be 18 for PC is rather ridiculous. They say the game was designed around this, so it clearly entrenches the idea that IW knew it was going this route from the beginning, yet decided to wait until 3 weeks prior to release to dump that news. If they were smart, they wouldnt have said anything at all. I work in the medical field and constantly gripe about morals of the insurance companies, who do things not unsimilar to what IW has done, which is essentially anything they can to save/make money. However, lets face it, companies that make these games do it for one reason.....To make money, and they are going to maximize this at all costs. I have no problems with them attempting it, I simply will not take part in it, and I pray to the lord above that it blows up in their face, even though I have a feeling it wont. With all that being said, I know there are PC gamers who are just as whiny as console gamers. It is common nature to be protective of your preferences. I thought the mention of a ban because the cost of the game was 59 bucks was ludacris. We have been playing PC games for years and they have always been the same cost, and because the price is raised 10 bucks you are willing to boycott? That is the kind of thing that gives PC gamers a bad reputation, and lessen the value of any legitimate greivance we actually have against a game maker for their product. It costs more to make these games than it did 10 years ago, and why should any video game maker bear the brunt of the cost? I would also say that I have no issues with IW wanting to charge for DLC. I would have no issue paying 10 bucks for a few maps assuming it was not way out of control. 10 bucks every other year to get fresh content is not a bad value in my opinion. If the game is all they say it is, it would be well worth it, but in taking the very core of PC gaming away (losing dedi's), it all of a sudden loses it's luster, and all of a sudden becomes the game that could have been. I am sure there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people who will ultimately buy the game because the ease of getting it through Steam and the lack of cheats (assuming Valve's Anti cheat is effective)and will enjoy it, but I think there are hundreds of thousands who will not purchase the game, because of IW's decision to pull dedi's and limit mods, etc...., so in the end, I do not think that IW will notice a huge change in expected revenue from the PC end. In conclusion, I am significantly dissapointed in the way this was handled, the way it was sprung on the PC gaming community at the last minute, when it was obviously decided LONG before it was announced, and dissapointed I have to wait 3-4 months for the new Battlefield to come out. Of course, IW has the ability to fix this situation, and should they choose to do so, I would be on board with purchasing the game down the road, but to use the "supposed" biggest game to be released in years as a guinea pig for some new P2P program they are using, it is simply bad timing. I truly hope in the end, IW decides that adding dedi's will be the right move, but if not, adios MF2. So for all you console gamers who can't understand why we are clammering so hard for this, you just will never understand until you partake in the PC world and have dedicated servers. It is likely we will always be banging heads against one another, neither of which budging from their comfort zone, and that is ok, that is what makes the gaming industry run. I own a PS3 and do own COD4 on PC and PS3, I played COD4 on PS3 for about a week before I got tired of the constant matchmaking, the 12 year old cussing with no ability to boot him from the game, and the constant ending of the game by the host. In the PC world, most gamers find a server where relationships are established and the same group of gamers consistenly come and play and are well moderated to keep riff raff out. In my opinion, it is far more pleasurable to play this way, and always will be. DoCFuRy |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 986 Joined: 27 Jul 2009    |
Likewise. Care to play sometime? |
On the Record  Posts: 5729 Joined: 24 Aug 2009    |
Maybe a couple of months time. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2178 Joined: 5 May 2008  | BOYCOTTING IS NOT COOL. God, I want to punch these people in the face! So it's not going to be perfect. There are a few things, but stop being spoiled brats. If you don't want to get it, then shut the hell up and simply don't buy it. Boycotting doesn't get you anything, it just makes you look like a whiny cunt. Valve gave one or two of the L4D2 boycotters stuff and now everyone's hopping on the boycotting train... |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2236 Joined: 12 Oct 2007     |
Fellow Escapist's forgive me for what I am about to do. PLEASE GO FUCKING LEARN WHAT THE WORD BOYCOTT MEANS:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/boycott IT IS LITERALLY ORGANIZED "NOT BUYING!!" WHEN YOU MAKE POSTS LIKE THIS YOU LOOK LIKE A MORON! |
Muckraker  Posts: 339 Joined: 15 Jul 2008  | Dont Boycott, Pirate... I know quite a few people here that did! IW wants to piss on PC gamers? Well, I got your game for free. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4924 Joined: 3 Jan 2009 |
That wasn't a very constructive contribution to the discussion. |
Muckraker  Posts: 242 Joined: 25 May 2009  | Honestly, what are you gonna do by boycotting? Every PC gamer in the world could pass up MW2 and it's still gonna be a juggernaut of a game, so why try fighting it? Complaining on the internet isn't going to make Infinity Ward cringe and come crawling back to the PC community. Instead of bitching, how about everyone that's mad about just let it go and go play some other game and be happy. Gaming shouldn't be something to get mad at, it's supposed to be fun, so stop bitching about Infinity Ward and go have fun with something else. Also, seriously? Is boycotting and complaining on the internet really gonna do something? If you really wanna show how mad you are at IW, go to game stop and break Call Of Duty shit. That's the punk way, and it works. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4924 Joined: 3 Jan 2009 |
It's easy to boycott something when you're in jail. |
Muckraker Posts: 242 Joined: 25 May 2009 |
Hell, it is. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3671 Joined: 22 Oct 2008 |
You getting it Tuesday? I'll be on Tuesday, and giggling at everyone who thinks an online kerfuffle will do anything.
READ THE FUCKING TITLE. I CAN USE CAPS LOCK TOO! |
Paperboy  Posts: 19 Joined: 24 Jul 2009  | So you mean to tell me you intend to boycott a game that's likely to sell an upwards of 1,000,000 copies on the day of its release? That game that's more hyped than Halo 3? The game whos predecessor sold an upwards of 13,000,000 copies? Good luck. |
Muckraker  Posts: 333 Joined: 13 Dec 2008    | Well, I won't be buying it as I was already boycotting it as an individual. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2178 Joined: 5 May 2008 |
I'm not trying to be contributive, I'm trying to tell the boycotters that they are annoying as hell.
WHEN YOU MAKE POSTS LIKE THAT YOU LOOK LIKE A MORON. I SPECIFICALLY SAID "SHUT THE HELL UP!" That means don't organize. If you don't want to buy it, then don't buy it. Don't fucking recruit people to boycott it because you're too much of a fucking spoiled brat to have a few things not go your way. I KNOW WHAT FUCKING BOYCOTT MEANS, I'm saying just don't organize, because then you just look like a legion of annoying spoiled brats. See, I can use caps lock too. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2552 Joined: 19 Mar 2008   | How about you fuck off, and if you don't want to buy it that's your choice. If other people want it, leave them to it. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1117 Joined: 28 Jun 2009 | Although I do think IW is being a bit of a dickwad on this, I'm not getting it for multi-player so it doesn't really affect me. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I am part of the problem. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1117 Joined: 28 Jun 2009 |
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!! LOUD NOISES!!!! |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2236 Joined: 12 Oct 2007 |
No you don't know what boycott means, did you look at the link? It is not only systematic "not buying" as a form of protest or coercion it is "not buying" period. As I said before go learn what the word means because when you do not buy something that is the definition of boycott! "Saying Don't boycott, just don't buy it if you don't like it." is inherently contradictory. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2226 Joined: 5 Jan 2009  | A boycott will never work, because every member will go out and buy it when they realize their demands haven't been met. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 807 Joined: 13 Mar 2009 | Its not your place to tell Infinity Ward how to make their game. If you don't like it, don't buy it and stop making annoying threads about it. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2236 Joined: 12 Oct 2007 |
It sure is the consumer's place, the consumer is the one who is going to pay money for the product. What you just said would mean that someone could be hired to cook food and make the food the way he or she wants to rather than the way the customer who will be eating the food wants. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4924 Joined: 3 Jan 2009 |
Fair enough, but your chosen manner of expressing this sentiment is in itself rather over aggressive and ironically, annoying as hell. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2178 Joined: 5 May 2008 |
Then good; it reflects what I think of all the assholes trying to organize boycotts.
THEN DON'T FUCKING TELL US TO BOYCOTT IT. SIMPLY BOYCOTT IT YOURSELF IN SILENCE. Now please, take your fucking dictionary, and beat yourself over the head with it, you smug prick. What I've been trying to say is that people who make ORGANIZED boycotts or who declare that they are boycotting it are almost as annoying as you. I couldn't give less of a shit what your dictionary says if I was trying to. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1902 Joined: 9 Aug 2009  |
They make the games for us because we're the ones that buy and play the things, not them. If you get your haircut you don't expect to ask for a certain cut and then the barber just do whatever he likes, whilst charging more. |
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I think I'd much rather be a 'PC elitist' (supposedly, since I support the boycott) than the sort of pathetic console fanboy who thinks it's funny when platforms other than the one their obnoxious fanboyism is centred on get screwed over.
And I'm certain I'd rather side with gamers who get pissed off when games companies try to sell them something with less features for more money than against them.