l4d2 is the same as l4d,but better. l4d is a good game, so naturely l4d2 will be a good game.(unless, of course, you didn't like l4d.)

Meh. Feels the same, just not as much fun. It's alright. I'll wait for it to drop to $20 before I buy it.

From what I've seen (brother is playing it) it looks very much like left 4 dead, as such my interest is low. I might give it a spin later and decide based on experience though :P

What I can see (he's playing a 'mod' *wink*) is that there is no grounds whatsoever for the game to have been banned. Seriously, from what I've seen it's far more tame than dead rising, though I rather liked dead rising so I suppose I shouldn't point that out to the OFLC..

looks good, why would anyone boycott it i wonder...?

Glefistus:
it is not the same gameplay we had in L4D, there are melee weapons

Thanks for the laugh. When I read that, I imagine Dr. Kleiner looking at me, straight faced, and saying that. It just looks so hilarious.
OT: It's fun, but it's too short, which makes me question if it'll be like Left 4 Dead in terms of playability (It was fun for a few games every few months, but any more and it just got repetitive). Sure, your path can be changed, but from what I saw so far, they have one thing that can change, and it's a fence being put up off the path...

Oldmanwillow:
Le Snip

Stop trying to flamebait.

Just finished bashing my way through the demo. literally. There is something alot more satisfying about taking out a zombie with a guitar or a machette than with a smg or shotgun.

The gameplay is much of a muchness, but for me, the game "feels" different. There's something about it that I can't quiet put a finger on.

On a related note, is it wrong for me to start singing "My Achy Breaky Heart" while bashing in zombie's heads with a guitar?

Taerdin:

williebaz:

Taerdin:

williebaz:

I agree, I have the demo as well, and I can say that it's a completely different game

Completely different? I think some of you are trying a little too hard here. Completely different would be like, a mellow puzzle game. It has new features but its essentially the same game. If it wasn't then they wouldn't call it Left 4 Dead

Why don't you wait for the demo to be available to the public before you say that (I'm not trying to be mean, but a lot has changed).

Why do I have to wait for the demo to go public? I have beaten the demo thoroughly already backwards and forwards, my friends and I even did a melee only run on expert, no guns allowed to be fired at all even while on the ground. I probably have more experience with it than you, but feel free to prove me wrong. Explain how L4D2 is more different from L4D than a mellow puzzle game, because apparently I need to wait for the demo to go public before I can say such a statement and it be true... or something (?)

Flamebating again... This forum needs to work on it's communication skills...

Rusty Bucket:

Vanguard_Ex:
fire graphics have been improved.

To be fair, this wasn't difficult. They were absolutely appaling in the first, they looked like a damn GIF.

+10 truth points

Didn't like the demo. And I'm not a boycotter either. GIVE ME BACK THE ORIGINAL FOUR, THESE NEW PEOPLE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

L4D1 is more fun.

EDIT: Also, the first level is boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring. Seriously. Everything is SO open to the point where it's not fun at all.

EDIT2: One last thing. Not a fan of melee weapons (I personally don't like using them). And the new weapons you can get all look fisher price fake. And the size of them on your screen is enormous compared to L4D 1.

Vanguard_Ex:
Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

Yeah I have a friend who pre-ordered it and he says it is really good and a big improvment over the last one! makes me consider getting it lol

When I was playing(It may have just been because I was trying new things in L4D2) there were moments that seemed like moments from horror films. Like in the crescendo event, running backwards down the street fighting them of with my machete, even while i could see another horde approaching behind me.

Acaroid:

Vanguard_Ex:
Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

Yeah I have a friend who pre-ordered it and he says it is really good and a big improvment over the last one! makes me consider getting it lol

It really is a massive improvement. You should try the demo, you'll see what I mean.

I'm downloading the demo, but all the gameplay footage I've seen makes it look like L4D with a graphics make-over and 3 new zombies (I don't really give a shit about melee weapons considering the standard melee attack is already ridiculously powerful). It really confuses me why so many people are buying this game.

Ok demo complete. Sorry gonna pass. Why did this warrant a whole sequel? models look prettier, but I don't see any difference. Also kinda bothered that there still isn't any story in the campaign. The addition of more black people is nice though couldn't Blackness be sold as like DLC to the first one? Easy purchase for $4.99. Totally worth it. Charlie Murphy could do promotional vids to sell it.

Counter-strike source and TF2 are $20 because they're just multiplayer games. Everyone keeps telling me if I wanna enjoy L4D play the multiplayer. OK sell it to me for $20 and I will.

Vanguard_Ex:

Acaroid:

Vanguard_Ex:
Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

Yeah I have a friend who pre-ordered it and he says it is really good and a big improvment over the last one! makes me consider getting it lol

It really is a massive improvement. You should try the demo, you'll see what I mean.

Installing demo as I type this XD I shall update on what I thought!!

The demo is fucking awesome and I'd buy L4D2 if I didn't already buy the first L4D twice. It'd be like I'm just wasting money if I bought it now. I'll just wait for the game to go on sale or something.

L4D2 is basically how the first one should've been.

Acaroid:

Vanguard_Ex:

Acaroid:

Vanguard_Ex:
Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

Yeah I have a friend who pre-ordered it and he says it is really good and a big improvment over the last one! makes me consider getting it lol

It really is a massive improvement. You should try the demo, you'll see what I mean.

Installing demo as I type this XD I shall update on what I thought!!

GOOD :D

Vanguard_Ex:

Acaroid:
[quote="Vanguard_Ex" post="9.153477.3698239"]
Installing demo as I type this XD I shall update on what I thought!!

GOOD :D

Wellllllll

I played through the short demo a few times now and I have to say this

If you liked L4D you will love this one, the improvments are good, more weapons (and melee, I found it satisfying killing a charger with a guitar), different zombies, slightly update graphics, a little bit different "feel" to it and I really damn good into movie!!

BUT

those like myself who didnt really find the first one that interesting (it was good for about a week, then I just got sick of it), you wont find alot here to draw you into the series, it is the same formula so people on the outside will see it as just same #$%@ different shovel.

Acaroid:

Vanguard_Ex:

Acaroid:
[quote="Vanguard_Ex" post="9.153477.3698239"]
Installing demo as I type this XD I shall update on what I thought!!

GOOD :D

Wellllllll

I played through the short demo a few times now and I have to say this

If you liked L4D you will love this one, the improvments are good, more weapons (and melee, I found it satisfying killing a charger with a guitar), different zombies, slightly update graphics, a little bit different "feel" to it and I really damn good into movie!!

BUT

those like myself who didnt really find the first one that interesting (it was good for about a week, then I just got sick of it), you wont find alot here to draw you into the series, it is the same formula so people on the outside will see it as just same #$%@ different shovel.

FUCK YOU YOU'RE WRONG

I kid
That's probably the fairest summary I've seen of the demo, well put.

There's much more new stuff than I had expected, but I still don't think it warrants the 50 euro it costs on steam.

Based on the demo, L4D2 seems like a big extension to L4D. Probably too much stuff has been added for it to have been updates to L4D. However, seeing as it is only really big extension, i think the price is a bit high.
Despite that, i have already preordered it.
I have to say though, i personally found the demo a bit disappointing. I had no real interest or hype towards L4D2, though i did plan on getting it, but i dont think it deserves the hype its getting.
That being said, i am only basing this on the demo, so i could be wrong.

TimbukTurnip:
Based on the demo, L4D2 seems like a big extension to L4D. Probably too much stuff has been added for it to have been updates to L4D. However, seeing as it is only really big extension, i think the price is a bit high.

Shall we stop beating that dead horse already? L4D2 massively improves on the L4D formula, new weapons including the whole new melee system, new gore, new AI Director, new campaigns, 2 new game modes, a whole new setting including characters, a (though not massive) graphics update, the totally new Uncommon infected and new Special Infected. What else does this game need to be seen as a true sequel?!

Anyway, of course the core of the L4D formula still stands in L4D2, that's obvious and I doubt anyone would've expected any different or wánted that. What it does is improve on it, a LOT by the looks of it, I'm really loving the demo. Decapitating zombies with a guitar is just sooo satisfying.

Dys:
From what I've seen (brother is playing it) it looks very much like left 4 dead, as such my interest is low. I might give it a spin later and decide based on experience though :P

What I can see (he's playing a 'mod' *wink*) is that there is no grounds whatsoever for the game to have been banned. Seriously, from what I've seen it's far more tame than dead rising, though I rather liked dead rising so I suppose I shouldn't point that out to the OFLC..

Compare the opening scene of MW2, or the murder of the lawyer in GTA4 to this and you wonder what the censors were thinking.

L4D2's violence is cartoony and unrealistic. I can't imagine anyone being affected by it in the way some games could.

To me at least it makes the original feel kind of unfinished. I mean what with the new enemies and items(not just weapons). It's like Left Four Dead was just testing the waters to see if this would be sucessful.

Vanguard_Ex:

Acaroid:

Vanguard_Ex:

Acaroid:
[quote="Vanguard_Ex" post="9.153477.3698239"]
Installing demo as I type this XD I shall update on what I thought!!

GOOD :D

Wellllllll

I played through the short demo a few times now and I have to say this

If you liked L4D you will love this one, the improvments are good, more weapons (and melee, I found it satisfying killing a charger with a guitar), different zombies, slightly update graphics, a little bit different "feel" to it and I really damn good into movie!!

BUT

those like myself who didnt really find the first one that interesting (it was good for about a week, then I just got sick of it), you wont find alot here to draw you into the series, it is the same formula so people on the outside will see it as just same #$%@ different shovel.

FUCK YOU YOU'RE WRONG

I kid
That's probably the fairest summary I've seen of the demo, well put.

LoL thanks

I will be interested what the full game is going to be like, because I have a feeling that there are going to be some plesant suprises when it comes out!!

Vanguard_Ex:

Twilight_guy:
L4D has the same formula but completely different content. Having it as DLC would be DLC that is larger then L4D itself, which would be stupid.

I love you.

This also made me smile.

Anyways great demo, but when I tried playing with my friends it was laggy as I'll get out, which is wierd cause we live close to each other and have been playing borderlands together as well as left 4 dead, we even went back to the old one and our connection was fine.

Vanguard_Ex:
Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

It's very different. The new infected just fit (apart from the Jockey, who I think is quite pointless), you can't all start off with the same weapon, the music is just about the best part of it, the new SWAT zombies are awesome, the wound detail and gibbing is first-rate, the melee weapons feel like they have the right weight and power behind them as does bashing them with your primary weapon.
It's more challenging than the first, there's more than one mission now... I could go on, but I'll stop raving about how great it is. Glad I preordered (just hoping we can uncensor the real game the same way as the demo).

I noticed the difference too in the demo, sure there were major changes like the melee weapons and the lighting, but also subtle little elements that were great, like the improved AI director.

RogueRunner:

Vanguard_Ex:

Twilight_guy:
L4D has the same formula but completely different content. Having it as DLC would be DLC that is larger then L4D itself, which would be stupid.

I love you.

This also made me smile.

Anyways great demo, but when I tried playing with my friends it was laggy as I'll get out, which is wierd cause we live close to each other and have been playing borderlands together as well as left 4 dead, we even went back to the old one and our connection was fine.

Ah yes, me and a friend had this. He told me yesterday that if you set the game to local, the lag disappears and it runs fine. Try that if you happen to play it again :)

loving everything new but the character
i am already waiting for the mod that replaced the new with all the old one's

Vanguard_Ex:
Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

The boycott only had to do w/ their concern that population migration would make the original obsolete & kill the modding scene.

But Valve has made L4D2 backward compatible w/ L4D for maps, mods & servers. So they boycotters got what they wanted & every1 is happy. :D

NYAAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH I HATE my internets!
Honestly, my connection is so restricted the xbox live marketplace doesn't even show up!
I am so gonna start a boycott group against the updates...*seething hatred*

Captain_Caveman:

Vanguard_Ex:
Remember how a lot of people thought that L4D2 wasn't going to be much different to L4D at all? (Read: boycotters) Yeah, well, I can safely say: bullshit. You can feel the difference with it at the very moment you start playing. Everything feels different, and it's fucking good. Who else has the demo, and what do you think of it?

The boycott only had to do w/ their concern that population migration would make the original obsolete & kill the modding scene.

But Valve has made L4D2 backward compatible w/ L4D for maps, mods & servers. So they boycotters got what they wanted & every1 is happy. :D

Exactly. Good old Valve