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This also confirms that ALL multiplayer on PC will be P2P.
Not just custom games. Lag & huge-hitboxes here we come.

Lowlights from the BestBuy Dev chat with IW regarding MW2:

* Dedicated server questions were greeted by being escorted out of the chat.
* Max players for all versions is 9v9. Yes, I said 9v9.
* No record feature in MW2 for PC.
* No lean in the PC version (Mackey-IW: The game is not balanced for lean.)

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Gone Gonzo
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I'm sorry but at this point it seems like all IW employees were replaced by employees of rival companies and the MW2 game is one big smear campaign.

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No dedicated server support, epic p2p lag, and 9vs9 is max...

Well, I'm glad I canceled my preorder 2 weeks ago.

Gone Gonzo
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So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

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I guess because I'm one of the few people buying the game for the single player campaign, these revelations don't piss me off as much as others, but still, it just seems to be one thing after another.

No matter what, I'm still tired of all the MW2 threads.

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That's insanity! Insanity i say! I guess they lost 70-90% of PC-based market by screwing over PC owners so hard.

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canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Yes I am, pre-order is paid off, gonna get it in 5 days. Im a bit excited ^_^

Gamestop manager I talked to, said pre-orders are still going strong on both the console and PC versions.

Gone Gonzo
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ahhh, I love all the bawww CoD6 is making people give, the tears, I love them.

if you dont like it, dont buy it and get on with your life, its only a game.

if you dont like it, keep playing CoD4, you know, the game that you want CoD6 to be?

if you dont like it, make a better game yourself, since obviously I-Dub doesn't know how to and you do.

take your pick of which comment you want, Im just making it standardized from now on since all of them are interchangeable with the current level of bawwww that fanboys are causing.

Apackof12Ninjas:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Yes I am, pre-order is paid off, gonna get it in 5 days. Im a bit excited ^_^

I will be honest with anyone and eveyrone getting this game,<evil voice> I will hurt you if you spoil the story for me.</evil voice>

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should this be true its bs

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Captain_Caveman:

* Dedicated server questions were greeted by being escorted out of the chat.
* Max players for all versions is 9v9. Yes, I said 9v9.
* No lean in the PC version (Mackey-IW: The game is not balanced for lean.)

WTF.jpg

That seriously just tipped me from "not gonna get this" to "What the flying fuck is wrong with you!" rage.

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Hm... I'm poor and have always just played consoles throughout my life so as a non-PC gamer here's my take on this...

I like to search Youtube videos and love watching crazy-ass TF2 stuff with all the customized stuff like mods. If that was taken out I would just only want an update for the 360 and not bother worrying about getting a superior PC and its respective version since it would be the same thing. So I can see why PC gamers could be rightfully disappointed with that.

While the 360 players got the short end of the stick with no party chat it seems like with all this stuff that is or is not being implemented the PC gamers got an even shorter one. And the stick is covered in fire ants.

Gone Gonzo
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Well, it's not like I ever gave a fuck, but it sounds even more terrible than I had previously heard before.

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ddq5:
I guess because I'm one of the few people buying the game for the single player campaign, these revelations don't piss me off as much as others, but still, it just seems to be one thing after another.

No matter what, I'm still tired of all the MW2 threads.

Same here.

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Kalezian:
ahhh, I love all the bawww CoD6 is making people give, the tears, I love them.

if you dont like it, dont buy it and get on with your life, its only a game.

if you dont like it, keep playing CoD4, you know, the game that you want CoD6 to be?

if you dont like it, make a better game yourself, since obviously I-Dub doesn't know how to and you do.

take your pick of which comment you want, Im just making it standardized from now on since all of them are interchangeable with the current level of bawwww that fanboys are causing.

Apackof12Ninjas:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Yes I am, pre-order is paid off, gonna get it in 5 days. Im a bit excited ^_^

I will be honest with anyone and eveyrone getting this game,<evil voice> I will hurt you if you spoil the story for me.</evil voice>

are you buying it for PC? are you even a PC gamer? if not, then your post is pointless.

p.s. this is a news post.
and from the reactions in this thread, it's pretty damn important to PC players.

So why dont you keep your condescending holier-than-thou attitude to yourself. if you don't like these posts than don't read them; at least people are discussing a game, you're just complaining about posters. what's more useless?

p.p.s. voicing dissatisfaction is also how you get heard. your attitude is analogous to bend over and take it; you can take it all you want, but just because youre apathetic doesn't mean every1 is.

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MW2 will be dead in weeks after release.

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canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Its the most pre-ordered game in history.

Gone Gonzo
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Apackof12Ninjas:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Yes I am, pre-order is paid off, gonna get it in 5 days. Im a bit excited ^_^

Gamestop manager I talked to, said pre-orders are still going strong on both the console and PC versions.

Mcface:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Its the most pre-ordered game in history.

And we wonder why big companies like Activision and EA continue to buttfuck us.

Gone Gonzo
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I was fine with everything up until the 9v9 part, but ah well one bad thing isn't gonna stop me from buying this game.

EDIT: Also it seems like everyone is getting too pissy about multiplayer and simply not buying the game just because of that. Is anyone else, but me getting it for single player mostly?

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vivaldiscool:

Captain_Caveman:

* Dedicated server questions were greeted by being escorted out of the chat.
* Max players for all versions is 9v9. Yes, I said 9v9.
* No lean in the PC version (Mackey-IW: The game is not balanced for lean.)

WTF.jpg

That seriously just tipped me from "not gonna get this" to "What the flying fuck is wrong with you!" rage.

EXCELLENT!
though i was at WTFFISWWY almost initially, but i thought it a smit over-readtion, until more facts came to light.

Gone Gonzo
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Captain_Caveman:

Kalezian:
ahhh, I love all the bawww CoD6 is making people give, the tears, I love them.

if you dont like it, dont buy it and get on with your life, its only a game.

if you dont like it, keep playing CoD4, you know, the game that you want CoD6 to be?

if you dont like it, make a better game yourself, since obviously I-Dub doesn't know how to and you do.

take your pick of which comment you want, Im just making it standardized from now on since all of them are interchangeable with the current level of bawwww that fanboys are causing.

Apackof12Ninjas:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Yes I am, pre-order is paid off, gonna get it in 5 days. Im a bit excited ^_^

I will be honest with anyone and eveyrone getting this game,<evil voice> I will hurt you if you spoil the story for me.</evil voice>

are you buying it for PC? are you even a PC gamer? if not, then your post is pointless.

p.s. this is a news post.
and from the reactions in this thread, it's pretty damn important to PC players.

So why dont you keep your condescending holier-than-thou attitude to yourself. if you don't like these posts than don't read them; at least people are discussing a game, you're just complaining about posters. what's more useless?

p.p.s. voicing dissatisfaction is also how you get heard. your attitude is analogous to bend over and take it; you can take it all you want, but just because youre apathetic doesn't mean every1 is.

for one:

now that I can give that "oh snap!" out of the way.

obviously you haven't seen the ammount of "OMG! bawww more MW2 stuff to anger PC Gamerz! BAWWW" threads the escapist has had. so really, you could of just placed your "news" post in one of them, that way the people who actually care would be able to see it without adding a "YAGDT".

my points still stand, no one is forcing you to buy it, and its not like CoD4 is closing its servers, so if you dont like the game, why are you complaining about it?

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Mcface:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Its the most pre-ordered game in history.

Yeah, from gamestop. And I believe they're as reliable as IF is, probably in league as well. I miss when it was EB....

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Kalezian:

Captain_Caveman:

Kalezian:
ahhh, I love all the bawww CoD6 is making people give, the tears, I love them.

if you dont like it, dont buy it and get on with your life, its only a game.

if you dont like it, keep playing CoD4, you know, the game that you want CoD6 to be?

if you dont like it, make a better game yourself, since obviously I-Dub doesn't know how to and you do.

take your pick of which comment you want, Im just making it standardized from now on since all of them are interchangeable with the current level of bawwww that fanboys are causing.

Apackof12Ninjas:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Yes I am, pre-order is paid off, gonna get it in 5 days. Im a bit excited ^_^

I will be honest with anyone and eveyrone getting this game,<evil voice> I will hurt you if you spoil the story for me.</evil voice>

are you buying it for PC? are you even a PC gamer? if not, then your post is pointless.

p.s. this is a news post.
and from the reactions in this thread, it's pretty damn important to PC players.

So why dont you keep your condescending holier-than-thou attitude to yourself. if you don't like these posts than don't read them; at least people are discussing a game, you're just complaining about posters. what's more useless?

p.p.s. voicing dissatisfaction is also how you get heard. your attitude is analogous to bend over and take it; you can take it all you want, but just because youre apathetic doesn't mean every1 is.

for one:

now that I can give that "oh snap!" out of the way.

obviously you haven't seen the ammount of "OMG! bawww more MW2 stuff to anger PC Gamerz! BAWWW" threads the escapist has had. so really, you could of just placed your "news" post in one of them, that way the people who actually care would be able to see it without adding a "YAGDT".

my points still stand, no one is forcing you to buy it, and its not like CoD4 is closing its servers, so if you dont like the game, why are you complaining about it?

You still didn't answer my question. Are you buying it for PC? Are you a PC gamer? Do you even understand what the issues mean? How bad P2P would be for KBM? what hitboxes & netcode are or where lag occurs across WANs?

Yes CoD4 was for PC, what does that have to do w/ ANYTHING? CoD4 also had dedicated servers and 32 player matches. 0o

as for this thread, i did a search and it wasn't posted. So i made a thread for it. Where is it posted already huh?

Seriously, STOP TROLLING

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Honestly if its going to as laggy as my Xbox live, I'm not buying it for now, but maybe later after price drops.

But honestly why aren't they doing dedicated servers? Lazy ass much?

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Kalezian:
ahhh, I love all the bawww CoD6 is making people give, the tears, I love them.

if you dont like it, dont buy it and get on with your life, its only a game.

if you dont like it, keep playing CoD4, you know, the game that you want CoD6 to be?

if you dont like it, make a better game yourself, since obviously I-Dub doesn't know how to and you do.

take your pick of which comment you want, Im just making it standardized from now on since all of them are interchangeable with the current level of bawwww that fanboys are causing.

Apackof12Ninjas:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Yes I am, pre-order is paid off, gonna get it in 5 days. Im a bit excited ^_^

I will be honest with anyone and eveyrone getting this game,<evil voice> I will hurt you if you spoil the story for me.</evil voice>

Just a question for you good sir, what do you think a forum is for? It's for discussing, cheering, praising, complaining and whining, so...why is it a surprise?

I'm going to bet the first one's multiplayer will wind up being better, not that I've played either multiplayer or followed either, I simply stuck with the single player and had fun.

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Captain_Caveman:

Kalezian:

Captain_Caveman:

Kalezian:
ahhh, I love all the bawww CoD6 is making people give, the tears, I love them.

if you dont like it, dont buy it and get on with your life, its only a game.

if you dont like it, keep playing CoD4, you know, the game that you want CoD6 to be?

if you dont like it, make a better game yourself, since obviously I-Dub doesn't know how to and you do.

take your pick of which comment you want, Im just making it standardized from now on since all of them are interchangeable with the current level of bawwww that fanboys are causing.

Apackof12Ninjas:

canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Yes I am, pre-order is paid off, gonna get it in 5 days. Im a bit excited ^_^

I will be honest with anyone and eveyrone getting this game,<evil voice> I will hurt you if you spoil the story for me.</evil voice>

are you buying it for PC? are you even a PC gamer? if not, then your post is pointless.

p.s. this is a news post.
and from the reactions in this thread, it's pretty damn important to PC players.

So why dont you keep your condescending holier-than-thou attitude to yourself. if you don't like these posts than don't read them; at least people are discussing a game, you're just complaining about posters. what's more useless?

p.p.s. voicing dissatisfaction is also how you get heard. your attitude is analogous to bend over and take it; you can take it all you want, but just because youre apathetic doesn't mean every1 is.

for one:

now that I can give that "oh snap!" out of the way.

obviously you haven't seen the ammount of "OMG! bawww more MW2 stuff to anger PC Gamerz! BAWWW" threads the escapist has had. so really, you could of just placed your "news" post in one of them, that way the people who actually care would be able to see it without adding a "YAGDT".

my points still stand, no one is forcing you to buy it, and its not like CoD4 is closing its servers, so if you dont like the game, why are you complaining about it?

You still didn't answer my question. Are you buying it for PC? Are you a PC gamer? Do you even understand what the issues mean? How bad P2P would be for KBM? what hitboxes & netcode are or where lag occurs across WANs?

Yes CoD4 was for PC, what does that have to do w/ ANYTHING? CoD4 also had dedicated servers and 32 player matches. 0o

as for this thread, i did a search and it wasn't posted. So i made a thread for it. Where is it posted already huh?

Seriously, STOP TROLLING

Im trolling because im pointing out the obvious, yea, okay.

I was thinking about buying it for the PC, then my graphics card junked out, and yes, already the dedicated server bawwing had come to pass, so now Im going to have to get it for the 360 unless I decide to go get a ps3 since my motherboard hates all types of graphics cards, and spending upwards of $200 to be able to play a $60 game makes no sense when I can already play it on another console. As for lag, get a better internet connection, its not that hard unless your still using mommies 28.8 kbps while living in her basement. as for hitboxes, all of that is hard coded into the game, so I fail to see why having a player hosted server would change it, yet again for lag, get a better computer, better internet connection, or quit whining.

all I can say is when its released there wont be squeakers killing my ears when Im playing. it obvious from how many people "aren't buying it" when MW2 has already beaten out the first two spots on the top 40 list for preorders: http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5514 for the 360 and the ps3 respectively. 2.2 million people actually want to play the game. and at $60 a pop for just the regular edition: 2,200,000x$60=$132,000,000. its safe to say that the $132 mil. has a bigger voice than some disgruntled E-Machines users.

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Just curious why can't you godly overlord PC gamers just mod this thing? Surely someone will have a crack out 3 days after release for dedicated servers. I also don't recall player limits being an issue if my 32 player matches of halo 2 on a chipped box meant anything.

I can not for the life of me understand the outrage at IW over things that make the game balanced (no party chat in some gametypes) or dedicated servers.

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The console version looks like the best, but when I saw the mission in space I was saddened.

Seriously, Infinity Ward have been real dumb with this.

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canadamus_prime:
So is anyone still going to buy this game? I'd be surprised if there is.

Apparently, its the MOST PREORDERED GAME IN GAMESTOPS HISTORY.

Frankly, I'm saddened by Infinity Wards decisions to gimp the PC version because of "piracy" (i.e. we're not worth the money it'd take to make a good version to them).

I'll probably get the game, if only to play the single player campaign, but it'll be a second hand copy to I can stick up my metaphorical fingers to them and Activison.

sneakypenguin:
Just curious why can't you godly overlord PC gamers just mod this thing? Surely someone will have a crack out 3 days after release for dedicated servers. I also don't recall player limits being an issue if my 32 player matches of halo 2 on a chipped box meant anything.

Depends on the coding of it all. Remember, this stuff doesn't come with the source attaches, so someone would have to work out, using a disassembler, what code did what and then reverse engineer a patch to add in dedicated server support. The player limits thing is relatively trival to fix, but adding in DS support would be a major task, especially if the "connect to IWnet" is hardwired in.

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I'm rather sad because of this. I've loved every part of the series so far (except CoD3 which only came out for the Xbox, Wii and PS2), but the recent events has changed my feelings towards this sequel from "WOO! Another CoD-game, it will be great!!" to "F*** you, why did you destroy the CoD I knew?". I bet they'll insert SecuROM-style DRM (just worse) to top the whole thing.

And people thought Treyarch made a bad game (a game which I mostly liked). -_-'

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Great, now we have to listen to more Pc owners bitch on the forums!
Seriously though, you are getting the same treatment as everyone else. DEAL WITH IT.

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sneakypenguin:
Just curious why can't you godly overlord PC gamers just mod this thing? Surely someone will have a crack out 3 days after release for dedicated servers. I also don't recall player limits being an issue if my 32 player matches of halo 2 on a chipped box meant anything.

I wish this were the case, we've already been in large discussions over this over on the IW website, and it seems the case that even if it were cracked there's all sorts of other issues to be had, including legality of even USING the servers, not to mention the fact that getting some hosting site to hold an ILLEGAL copy of the game and the nightmares that would cause.

Yes, I am a PC user, yes I am one of the strong Mod community, and yes I am pissed as all hell. Kalezian I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to accomplish here, yeah, we've all seen the baww threads, but it's not about being a bloody fanboy of what CoD4 was/is, it's about what we as the PC community have had for a long time, and are not so willing to part with.

We don't want to deal with hosts lag switching (easier on PC than on console btw), or no modding, or them dropping lean because it's "Unfair", or charging us an extra $10 here in the States just for shits and giggles, or lack of Clan run servers, or lack of recording (no competitive), or... they are screwing the multiplayer over, so yeah, a lot of the community will be pissed.

I've got a better idea than stopping the baww threads... if you don't like them, it's your choice to read them as much as it's our choice to write in them, I would suggest using your own Cuthulu given right of free will, and leave this posting area if it offends you so, or you are a troll, and will be dealt with appropriately I'm sure, I know the mods here are very good at that.

EDIT:

imahobbit4062:
Great, now we have to listen to more Pc owners bitch on the forums!
Seriously though, you are getting the same treatment as everyone else. DEAL WITH IT.

No we aren't, we're getting treated much WORSE than we have, if we were used to this kind of shit we'd just take it, but we aren't so we are upset.

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Fr331anc3r:

sneakypenguin:
Just curious why can't you godly overlord PC gamers just mod this thing? Surely someone will have a crack out 3 days after release for dedicated servers. I also don't recall player limits being an issue if my 32 player matches of halo 2 on a chipped box meant anything.

I wish this were the case, we've already been in large discussions over this over on the IW website, and it seems the case that even if it were cracked there's all sorts of other issues to be had, including legality of even USING the servers, not to mention the fact that getting some hosting site to hold an ILLEGAL copy of the game and the nightmares that would cause.

Yes, I am a PC user, yes I am one of the strong Mod community, and yes I am pissed as all hell. Kalezian I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to accomplish here, yeah, we've all seen the baww threads, but it's not about being a bloody fanboy of what CoD4 was/is, it's about what we as the PC community have had for a long time, and are not so willing to part with.

We don't want to deal with hosts lag switching (easier on PC than on console btw), or no modding, or them dropping lean because it's "Unfair", or charging us an extra $10 here in the States just for shits and giggles, or lack of Clan run servers, or lack of recording (no competitive), or... they are screwing the multiplayer over, so yeah, a lot of the community will be pissed.

I've got a better idea than stopping the baww threads... if you don't like them, it's your choice to read them as much as it's our choice to write in them, I would suggest using your own Cuthulu given right of free will, and leave this posting area if it offends you so, or you are a troll, and will be dealt with appropriately I'm sure, I know the mods here are very good at that.

EDIT:

imahobbit4062:
Great, now we have to listen to more Pc owners bitch on the forums!
Seriously though, you are getting the same treatment as everyone else. DEAL WITH IT.

No we aren't, we're getting treated much WORSE than we have, if we were used to this kind of shit we'd just take it, but we aren't so we are upset.

No...you are getting treated the same as us.

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That's cool.. I guess..

You know, not like myself and 90% of the people I know play across god-awful school networks or anything. Wait, I am.

BUT - Sudden revelation - did anyone confirm that what that means is that PC gamers and server companies can't create dedicated servers or that IW/whatever won't be providing dedicated servers? Everyone knows a third party server company is just a really strong P2P host right?

And well, Ive always had the best competitive experience with 6v6, so whatever there - However I am completely pissed at their close minded "Play the game the way WE want you to" mentality. Hello? Just do what everyone else is doing and follow in Half-Life's footsteps - IT WORKs.

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Is there now any incentive for people to buy the PC version? I don't see any, they're pretty much trying to make it equal to the console version, a move I simply cannot understand. Everyone knows both platforms have their own qualities, now they're just ignoring the PC one's. I think it costs more money and energy to actually try to make the game equal for all platforms than to just stick to the the regular PC advantages. I'm glad I'm getting the PS3 version.

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EcksTeaSea:
Is anyone else, but me getting it for single player mostly?

Single player, I know you saw that kick-ass launch trailer, and SpecOps for me. My brother, who lives a few thousand miles away from me, and I are going to own face in those missions.

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