Yes, YOU. If you are one of the vast majority of people one of the many of us (there better?), who pirate copies of video games, you are causing being a major contributor to a huge problem.
People complain that their beloved PC games are being cut from development or are losing support, but companies can't keep making games or providing support because it costs money, yeah all of your hard earned money for buying a game isn't going to the publisher. The developer needs money for their own salaries and for development and support of their game and future games. Pirating is like going to a game store and just stealing a copy. Think, would you really go to say Best Buy, and just grab a couple of games and walk out? Using CoD4 as an example, approximately 60%* of players online were using pirated games, and the removal of dedicated servers could also be part of the of control piracy.
If Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was released as a PC exclusive, I'm sure you would have seen no dedicated servers, and no MW2. These games are surviving on console sales, and its no surprise that games like EA's extremely popular Madden NFL*** games are being dropped...it's just not worth the time, effort and money to make a free game.
This isn't happening as bad with consoles because it is so hard to mod your console, and if you go online, you can say goodbye to your PSN, or XBL account.Edit: Alright, yes, you can pirate console games, and yes, MW2 was leaked for the 360**, but like I said before it is MUCH harder to play cracked games on consoles. I've heard of ways you can use GameShark or Action Replay on the PS2, or playing leaked/homebrew games on the Wii, but in general it is much more difficult and time consuming to open up your box, soldering shit and adding modchips.
So next time you complain about the dying art of PC gaming, think, what can I do to prevent this?
Feel free to argue your point against me, or provide your thoughts.
Please try to keep your "Why should I care," or "I don't play PC games" comments out of this thread.
*For those who were wondering, I got the 60% figure here in the Fourth paragraph, second sentence. **Ahem ***A lot of you are saying that it's no surprise Madden was dropped from the PC, and that they don't need a new version every year, but Madden sells millions of copies every year so their is obviously some change (note: Madden 2010 sales did drop significantly from 09).
As for what a player can do to prevent the dying art of PC gaming... not much if the developers are douchebags. Look at IW. There's a huge outcry from PC gamers about the PC version of MW2, but are IW doing anything about it? No!
And here's how much 'effort' IW have put into the PC version;
" Moriarte: Ignoring IW.net, is the PC version a direct port of the console version?
Mackey-IW: No, PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings.
This is the amount of work that went into the PC version: you are given the ability to use a mouse, to use text chat, and to adjust graphical settings. Are your fears now put to rest? "
I for one truly hate a majority of PC games, only because of the argument "mods keep the game going". if thats the case, get the source engine and never play another game ever.
Its true that consoles pull their weight with games, after all, its cheaper the buy a console and a game for just under $400 [if new] and play it immediately, while you have to constantly update/upgrade almost everything in a computer every six months. Its just more economic to have a console.
as for pirating games, a number of 360 and ps3 owners used to do it, but thankfully Microsoft and Sony dont put up with that bullshit.
as for Madden, its the exact same game from '98, only with marginally better graphics. now had they actually ADDED something new to the game in the past decade, it might of been a good series.
tell me that its needed for a new madden game every year when all the states and team rosters could just as easy be changed with patches.
As for Modern Warfare as a PC exclusive, we would indeed not have MW2, simply because too many people would still be playing it.
As for me? Im going to get a pre-order today for the 360 version, might even get the overpriced prestige edition just so I can laugh at people with my cheap ass plastic NVG's.
and for those not buying it, nothing of value will be lost.
As for what a player can do to prevent the dying art of PC gaming... not much if the developers are douchebags. Look at IW. There's a huge outcry from PC gamers about the PC version of MW2, but are IW doing anything about it? No!
And here's how much 'effort' IW have put into the PC version;
" Moriarte: Ignoring IW.net, is the PC version a direct port of the console version?
Mackey-IW: No, PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings.
This is the amount of work that went into the PC version: you are given the ability to use a mouse, to use text chat, and to adjust graphical settings. Are your fears now put to rest? "
you do realize they are treating the game THE EXACT SAME ACROSS ALL PLATFORMS AS THEY HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIMES, what he was meaning the only difference between the PC version and the console version is that you use a mouse and keyboard.
fair enough, my pc is a laptop, therefore if i were to walk a game past it it would throw itself out the window and die.
i'm into 360, and honestly other than some RTS (the Total War series, i use it because i know it), flight sims, and maybe a handful of others i can't think of, computers aren't really designed to play games.
no, no... no shut up and let me finish. the only real advantage the PC has over the 360 or the PS3 (i refuse to call the Wii a games station) is that it has many many many more buttons you can use as a control.
stop and think. the PS3 sells for, what? £300? if you try to get a bling one? second hand ones in my area are £225... the 360 is, well i don't know but i can pick up a second hand mid range one for £75. using this as a comparasion the pc can't compete, a decent games PC costs a limb, a soul, and prefereably a child.
i can understand why companies stop making games for the PC, piracy et al, but there is a fairly compelling reason to stop making shooters racers etc for the PC all together.
btw building a computer isn't expensive, you could build a solid machine today for around the same price as a console and it would last you a good three years at the very least.
Yes, you just need to buy a mod chip, and then burn and play the game. IT's what a lot of people use to back up games, or to get games that aren't available (I know some people stationed in army bases that do this). Others just to you know...be cheap. But like said above you will not be able to play online, cause you'll be banned.
I will just say that piracy only affects potential profits, and also that, from experience, getting a cracked copy of a game to work online is incredibly difficult.
HotFezz8: fair enough, my pc is a laptop, therefore if i were to walk a game past it it would throw itself out the window and die.
i'm into 360, and honestly other than some RTS (the Total War series, i use it because i know it), flight sims, and maybe a handful of others i can't think of, computers aren't really designed to play games.
no, no... no shut up and let me finish. the only real advantage the PC has over the 360 or the PS3 (i refuse to call the Wii a games station) is that it has many many many more buttons you can use as a control.
stop and think. the PS3 sells for, what? £300? if you try to get a bling one? second hand ones in my area are £225... the 360 is, well i don't know but i can pick up a second hand mid range one for £75. using this as a comparasion the pc can't compete, a decent games PC costs a limb, a soul, and prefereably a child.
i can understand why companies stop making games for the PC, piracy et al, but there is a fairly compelling reason to stop making shooters racers etc for the PC all together.
p.s. is it possible to pirate a 360 or PS3 game?
Okay, now tell me this... could you play Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights on a console? Could you play Crysis or most flight simulators on a console? No. That's what I thought.
HotFezz8: I'm into 360, and honestly other than some RTS (the Total War series, i use it because i know it), flight sims, and maybe a handful of others i can't think of, computers aren't really designed to play games.
You could of thrown up the fact that a large number of recent games are actually ports of the Xbox version.
p.s. is it possible to pirate a 360 or PS3 game?
Yes. However you'd either need a really swank PC rig or a modded console.
But for the most part it's old news. Getting a console game is typically easier to use than it's PC equivalent. I also find that the people who proclaim that piracy is killing PC gaming are also typically those who pirate more.
After all, you can't easily pirate a PC game if there are none.
Yes, you just need to buy a mod chip, and then burn and play the game. IT's what a lot of people use to back up games, or to get games that aren't available (I know some people stationed in army bases that do this). Others just to you know...be cheap. But like said above you will not be able to play online, cause you'll be banned.
haha you will not get banned if your not an idiot. If youre using the latest version of the mod/chip and making sure you the game is patched, then you will not be banned.
i used to pirate games a lot in the past years, but i like my PC free of viruses, so i am now buying only originals, unless they are abandoned games wich is fair play.
Furburt: rom experience, getting a cracked copy of a game to work online is incredibly difficult.
And yet, more than half of the people online in CoD4 were using pirated copies.
I found while I was a pirate, that when I couldn't torrent a game for whatever reason (no seeds usually) I probably wouldn't end up getting the game anyway. I doubt if piracy didn't exist Infinity Ward would have twice as many paying customers, they'd probably end up having half as many people playing. I may be the exception to the rule, however.
I buy games from developers that are dedicated to them. Hence games smeared with god awful labels like Activision and EA Sports, good as they may be, I gladly pirate.
We want the quality of games to stop stagnating. Cleansing of the gene pool. It's all there is to it.
HotFezz8: fair enough, my pc is a laptop, therefore if i were to walk a game past it it would throw itself out the window and die.
i'm into 360, and honestly other than some RTS (the Total War series, i use it because i know it), flight sims, and maybe a handful of others i can't think of, computers aren't really designed to play games.
no, no... no shut up and let me finish. the only real advantage the PC has over the 360 or the PS3 (i refuse to call the Wii a games station) is that it has many many many more buttons you can use as a control.
stop and think. the PS3 sells for, what? £300? if you try to get a bling one? second hand ones in my area are £225... the 360 is, well i don't know but i can pick up a second hand mid range one for £75. using this as a comparasion the pc can't compete, a decent games PC costs a limb, a soul, and prefereably a child.
i can understand why companies stop making games for the PC, piracy et al, but there is a fairly compelling reason to stop making shooters racers etc for the PC all together.
p.s. is it possible to pirate a 360 or PS3 game?
Gaming PCs are nowhere near as expensive as people like to claim they are. The computer I just built for my friend has a 3.0ghz dual-core, 4GB of RAM, and 1GB Radeon 3870 video card. The entire computer was built for $450, with shipping. Add to the fact that computers are used on an every day basis for a very large number of reasons, and I don't see how it is so expensive.
More buttons is not the only real advantage PC games have over consoles. For those of us who enjoy keeping our computers up to date, the PC can be more powerful than consoles. That doesn't just mean better graphics either, I'm talking about overall performance.
Why can't people just accept that some people prefer different things? I prefer RTS, FPS, and some times RPG games on the PC. Whereas adventure and action games I prefer on console.
OT: Piracy isn't killing PC gaming. It certainly isn't helping, but it isn't killing it either. The PC is still a great platform for first-time developers. It is wide open, you don't need to deal with the console manufacturers limitations, and it is cheaper to develop for due to lack of licensing fees. Torchlight is a great example of this. The game took 11 months to develop and was a relatively risk-free proposition for any publishers because it was on PC and could be released through systems like Steam.
All in all, I doubt PC gaming will ever re-acquire its status of the mid-late 90s, but it won't be going away any time soon either. People just need to stop bringing this shit up. Its not dying, and its not re-emerging.
I think people seriously overestimate the actual number of people that pirate games. Im guessing it would be closer to 5% and i bet even those buy certain games. PC games will always have better graphics and it is just easier to control and play most games on a PC. The keyboard and mouse are just superior to joysticks and 8 buttons or what not. I mean, blizzard would love to make WoW for a console to milk those kids as well but they can't because the controls are just better for a PC. IW and activision are just being lazy here and trying to take advantage of all the fanboys who they expect to buy their games regardless. I don't think they expected to lose all the fanboys...I know i jumped off that train a while back.
HotFezz8: fair enough, my pc is a laptop, therefore if i were to walk a game past it it would throw itself out the window and die.
i'm into 360, and honestly other than some RTS (the Total War series, i use it because i know it), flight sims, and maybe a handful of others i can't think of, computers aren't really designed to play games.
no, no... no shut up and let me finish. the only real advantage the PC has over the 360 or the PS3 (i refuse to call the Wii a games station) is that it has many many many more buttons you can use as a control.
stop and think. the PS3 sells for, what? £300? if you try to get a bling one? second hand ones in my area are £225... the 360 is, well i don't know but i can pick up a second hand mid range one for £75. using this as a comparasion the pc can't compete, a decent games PC costs a limb, a soul, and prefereably a child.
i can understand why companies stop making games for the PC, piracy et al, but there is a fairly compelling reason to stop making shooters racers etc for the PC all together.
p.s. is it possible to pirate a 360 or PS3 game?
Okay, now tell me this... could you play Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights on a console? Could you play Crysis or most flight simulators on a console? No. That's what I thought.
Not quite,
My mother was married to my father when they conceived me.
You know why i pirate those (mainstream) games i want to buy? I'm too lazy to go out,visit store,and actually buy them. And my internet can't really handle big Steam downloads.
Long, Looong ago, I pirated some games, but I stopped when I found out it killed pc gaming. easy. Though I do understand why some people pirate the games. example: assasin's creed was released for consoles a few months earlier then for pc, but it was still priced the same. Somehow I understand people don't want to pay a lot for a game everybody's completed months ago.
They release the pc version later, and i'm sure it'll be downloaded a lot more than if everything was released at the same time.
I believe it's possible for the ps3, or at least not that hard. And I know you're thinking "Oh, since I never hear anybody crying about the pirating of ps3 games, one more person doing that wouldn't matter anyway." Well, I gues it's not up to me to tell you not to think like that, since I do the same for my DS, but still: don't do it.
HotFezz8: fair enough, my pc is a laptop, therefore if i were to walk a game past it it would throw itself out the window and die.
i'm into 360, and honestly other than some RTS (the Total War series, i use it because i know it), flight sims, and maybe a handful of others i can't think of, computers aren't really designed to play games.
no, no... no shut up and let me finish. the only real advantage the PC has over the 360 or the PS3 (i refuse to call the Wii a games station) is that it has many many many more buttons you can use as a control.
stop and think. the PS3 sells for, what? £300? if you try to get a bling one? second hand ones in my area are £225... the 360 is, well i don't know but i can pick up a second hand mid range one for £75. using this as a comparasion the pc can't compete, a decent games PC costs a limb, a soul, and prefereably a child.
i can understand why companies stop making games for the PC, piracy et al, but there is a fairly compelling reason to stop making shooters racers etc for the PC all together.
p.s. is it possible to pirate a 360 or PS3 game?
Okay, now tell me this... could you play Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights on a console? Could you play Crysis or most flight simulators on a console? No. That's what I thought.
Not quite,
My mother was married to my father when they conceived me.
There is no way that you can possibly play the games I mentioned on a console. And... what?
TylerC: Yes, YOU. If you are one of the vast majority of people who pirate copies of video games, you are causing a huge problem.
People complain that their beloved PC games are being cut from development or are losing support, but companies can't keep making games or providing support because it costs money, yeah all of your hard earned money for buying a game isn't going to the publisher. The developer needs money for their own salaries and for development and support of their game and future games. Pirating is like going to a game store and just stealing a copy. Think, would you really go to say Best Buy, and just grab a couple of games and walk out? Using CoD4 as an example, up to 60% of players online were using pirated games, and the removal of dedicated servers could also be part of the of control piracy.
If Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was released as a PC exclusive, I'm sure you would have seen no dedicated servers, and no MW2. These games are surviving on console sales, and its no surprise that games like EA's extremely popular Madden NFL games are being dropped...it's just not worth the time, effort and money to make a free game.
This isn't happening as bad with consoles because it is so hard to mod your console, and if you go online, you can say goodbye to your PSN, or XBL account.
So next time you complain about the dying art of PC gaming, think, what can I do to prevent this?
Feel free to argue your point against me, or provide your thoughts.
I did a quick search and didn't see anything on this, if their is, please provide a link and let this die.
FYI This ISN'T a MW2 Topic.
Edited for better structure.
Answering the bolded points
- No it's not. You clearly don't understand how most pirates work. A large portion trial then buy. There will always be cheapskates. How does borrowing a game off a friend factor in to this for you? Am i currently pirating Call of Duty as it's my friends, and i haven't paid for it?
- I take it you've not heard about the stealthed DVD drive stuff for the 360, at very least. Piracy is rife, and on the 360 with the correct firmware and game releases... is undetectable. Players who really love Call of Duty 4 own it, they play in clans and leagues and enjoy it. So many people don't understand that different media is worth different things to different people
Its true that consoles pull their weight with games, after all, its cheaper the buy a console and a game for just under $400 [if new] and play it immediately, while you have to constantly update/upgrade almost everything in a computer every six months. Its just more economic to have a console.
The last graphics card i bought was a month ago. Before that it was 2.5 years ago. Before that 3 years ago, and before that... 3 years ago. PC's haven't updated much faster in that time, and i've not bought complete top of the line either, just for the record.
Gaming PC's aren't much different in spec to a home machine, more RAM and better graphics cards. The difference is what you'll spend on a console... and if you buy a lot of games, a PC is much more economical, because every release is £10 cheaper. Lets not forget, most people own a PC anyway, and they honestly don't last much more than 3-4 years before becoming vaguely useless anyway.
Kollega: You know why i pirate those (mainstream) games i want to buy? I'm too lazy to go out,visit store,and actually buy them.
I am not making this up.
Then order them from the internet.
My Internet connection is too lame for downloading stuff via Steam (don't ask how i use torrents - it's all stupidly specific),and mail-ordering... well,actually shopping for them is easier.
TylerC: Yes, YOU. If you are one of the vast majority of people who pirate copies of video games, you are causing a huge problem.
People complain that their beloved PC games are being cut from development or are losing support, but companies can't keep making games or providing support because it costs money, yeah all of your hard earned money for buying a game isn't going to the publisher. The developer needs money for their own salaries and for development and support of their game and future games. Pirating is like going to a game store and just stealing a copy. Think, would you really go to say Best Buy, and just grab a couple of games and walk out? Using CoD4 as an example, up to 60% of players online were using pirated games, and the removal of dedicated servers could also be part of the of control piracy.
If Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was released as a PC exclusive, I'm sure you would have seen no dedicated servers, and no MW2. These games are surviving on console sales, and its no surprise that games like EA's extremely popular Madden NFL games are being dropped...it's just not worth the time, effort and money to make a free game.
This isn't happening as bad with consoles because it is so hard to mod your console, and if you go online, you can say goodbye to your PSN, or XBL account.
So next time you complain about the dying art of PC gaming, think, what can I do to prevent this?
Feel free to argue your point against me, or provide your thoughts.
I did a quick search and didn't see anything on this, if their is, please provide a link and let this die.
HotFezz8: fair enough, my pc is a laptop, therefore if i were to walk a game past it it would throw itself out the window and die.
i'm into 360, and honestly other than some RTS (the Total War series, i use it because i know it), flight sims, and maybe a handful of others i can't think of, computers aren't really designed to play games.
no, no... no shut up and let me finish. the only real advantage the PC has over the 360 or the PS3 (i refuse to call the Wii a games station) is that it has many many many more buttons you can use as a control.
stop and think. the PS3 sells for, what? £300? if you try to get a bling one? second hand ones in my area are £225... the 360 is, well i don't know but i can pick up a second hand mid range one for £75. using this as a comparasion the pc can't compete, a decent games PC costs a limb, a soul, and prefereably a child.
i can understand why companies stop making games for the PC, piracy et al, but there is a fairly compelling reason to stop making shooters racers etc for the PC all together.
p.s. is it possible to pirate a 360 or PS3 game?
Okay, now tell me this... could you play Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights on a console? Could you play Crysis or most flight simulators on a console? No. That's what I thought.
Not quite,
My mother was married to my father when they conceived me.
There is no way that you can possibly play the games I mentioned on a console. And... what?
i mentioned the flight sim and the others fall under the "games i don't know". read the ****ing comment before you reply.
TooMiserableToLive: Long, Looong ago, I pirated some games, but I stopped when I found out it killed pc gaming. easy. Though I do understand why some people pirate the games. example: assasin's creed was released for consoles a few months earlier then for pc, but it was still priced the same. Somehow I understand people don't want to pay a lot for a game everybody's completed months ago.
They release the pc version later, and i'm sure it'll be downloaded a lot more than if everything was released at the same time.
I believe it's possible for the ps3, or at least not that hard. And I know you're thinking "Oh, since I never hear anybody crying about the pirating of ps3 games, one more person doing that wouldn't matter anyway." Well, I gues it's not up to me to tell you not to think like that, since I do the same for my DS, but still: don't do it.
pirate the PS3??! i struggle to get the disk drive open!! ;-)
HotFezz8: fair enough, my pc is a laptop, therefore if i were to walk a game past it it would throw itself out the window and die.
i'm into 360, and honestly other than some RTS (the Total War series, i use it because i know it), flight sims, and maybe a handful of others i can't think of, computers aren't really designed to play games.
no, no... no shut up and let me finish. the only real advantage the PC has over the 360 or the PS3 (i refuse to call the Wii a games station) is that it has many many many more buttons you can use as a control.
stop and think. the PS3 sells for, what? £300? if you try to get a bling one? second hand ones in my area are £225... the 360 is, well i don't know but i can pick up a second hand mid range one for £75. using this as a comparasion the pc can't compete, a decent games PC costs a limb, a soul, and prefereably a child.
i can understand why companies stop making games for the PC, piracy et al, but there is a fairly compelling reason to stop making shooters racers etc for the PC all together.
p.s. is it possible to pirate a 360 or PS3 game?
Okay, now tell me this... could you play Baldur's Gate or Neverwinter Nights on a console? Could you play Crysis or most flight simulators on a console? No. That's what I thought.
Not quite,
My mother was married to my father when they conceived me.
There is no way that you can possibly play the games I mentioned on a console. And... what?
You called me a bastard, and I was just pointing out that I'm not one.
Yes, YOU. If you are
one of the vast majority of peopleone of the many of us (there better?), who pirate copies of video games, you arecausingbeing a major contributor to a huge problem.People complain that their beloved PC games are being cut from development or are losing support, but companies can't keep making games or providing support because it costs money, yeah all of your hard earned money for buying a game isn't going to the publisher. The developer needs money for their own salaries and for development and support of their game and future games. Pirating is like going to a game store and just stealing a copy. Think, would you really go to say Best Buy, and just grab a couple of games and walk out? Using CoD4 as an example, approximately 60%* of players online were using pirated games, and the removal of dedicated servers could also be part of the of control piracy.
If Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was released as a PC exclusive, I'm sure you would have seen no dedicated servers, and no MW2. These games are surviving on console sales, and its no surprise that games like EA's extremely popular Madden NFL*** games are being dropped...it's just not worth the time, effort and money to make a free game.
This isn't happening as bad with consoles because it is so hard to mod your console, and if you go online, you can say goodbye to your PSN, or XBL account.Edit: Alright, yes, you can pirate console games, and yes, MW2 was leaked for the 360**, but like I said before it is MUCH harder to play cracked games on consoles. I've heard of ways you can use GameShark or Action Replay on the PS2, or playing leaked/homebrew games on the Wii, but in general it is much more difficult and time consuming to open up your box, soldering shit and adding modchips.So next time you complain about the dying art of PC gaming, think, what can I do to prevent this?
Feel free to argue your point against me, or provide your thoughts.
Please try to keep your "Why should I care," or "I don't play PC games" comments out of this thread.
Edited and being edited.
*For those who were wondering, I got the 60% figure here in the Fourth paragraph, second sentence.
**Ahem
***A lot of you are saying that it's no surprise Madden was dropped from the PC, and that they don't need a new version every year, but Madden sells millions of copies every year so their is obviously some change (note: Madden 2010 sales did drop significantly from 09).