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Third Party Support for Nintendo is little to none and most do a horrid job with the kiddy games. Time to see what the waggle mote can do third party. | |
Bullshit. But yes, nintendo sold a shitload of little white bricks. How many of them are being used? | |
Don't bash consoles. Nintendo still has a good number of upcoming titles, such as the new Zelda title, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and Epic Mickey. Plus, the sales of the DS and DSi along with sales of their games are doing just fine. They will do even better in 2010 thanks to a little series called Pokemon. | |
The GENERATION has that many years to go until we see new consoles. But, you just stated my point. | |
Pony is aboot as doomed as Pretendo. | |
So what you mean is, they might release new consoles, but they'll still be this gen? | |
I have to say I do enjoy playing the Wii. BUT yes it does need some new games better games. They need to stop milking the kiddy games to death and give gamers something a little better. Oh well. I'll also agree that Nintendo needs to stop being so tight assed and get more third party games going. | |
No. No new consoles until about 10 years from 09. Why? Too pricey these days, and there isn't enough ways to innovate to justify $400. So, no new consoles for a while. | |
News flash: Nintendo is making more money in profit then the entire industry. At least it was until Q4 '08 while Sony and Micro$oft bled billions upon billions of dollars. That will magically turn around? Honestly, all you have to do is see that these 'housewives' went and made NSMB DS one of the highest selling games to see how wrong you are to think these expanded audience gamers will just leave. To fix your analogy, have Nintendo at the head of the pack and cripple the other two horses permanently. That would be a more adequate comparison. Even if the horse gets tired, it's till go faster and farther than the cripples. Seriously, people have got to leave Nintendo alone. You've got two entire companies catering to your 'hardcore' needs, not to mention the PC which is superior in every way. Leave Nintendo alone if you don't like it. They'll just make enough money to buy and sell your ass and have fun while doing it. EDIT: For all intents and purposes, the console wars most gamers nowadays grew up with is over. Honestly, the price of the PS3 got cut 50% in <3 years. And in the meantime Sony and Microsoft lost tons of money in overhead costs, not to mention the insane operating budgets for their games that are nowhere near as entertaining as they should be (I'm looking at you, GTA4 ==> 100 million). Next gen operating costs would average 60 million/game at the rate things were increasing, and the prices of consoles will be over $500, CONSERVATIVE estimate. Without the Wii's profit influx, this industry would have crashed by now. Just take any NDP report and remove Nintendo's numbers, and you'll see what I mean. Things are changing, hopefully for the better. Also, Sega lost because of many MANY more reasons than that. Look into history; it and Nintendo almost died when Sony entered the market. Two teeny little game companies competing against a huge company like Sony? All of their anti-piracy protections got in their own way, as Sony simply got rid of it and allowed tons and tons of shovelware to be placed onto its console while Nintendo and Sega floundered in their own personal mediocrities of the Saturn and N64. Sega's fate was sealed when it locked horns with Nintendo. And as for Atari? REALLY? Honestly... | |
I disagree. Sega's issue was that they kept belting out bad hardware and hardware they showed no intent on supporting. After the 32x, the megadrive, and the Saturn, there was nothing Sega could have done to make the Dreamcast popular. If they maintain this stream of producing $40 shovelware for the 5 year olds and elderly people, they'll continue to print money, regardelss to what you may think. And there is no chance in hell that this console run will last a full decade. If not this e3, than the next one; I can almost assure you that there will be a new wave of consoles announced. More likely for the Wii than the other two, since microsoft and sony have real add-ons to their consoles. They may lose this console race (which they've done in both the n64 AND gamecube era) the chances that they'll have to drop out of the console races altogether is almost incalculably slim. | |
Look. Just because Nintendos games suck does not mean they are doomed. They have a wider audience so no matter what Nintendo will not, you understand, will not die. They will sit on their piles of money releasing the same old games laughing as MS and Sony bicker over who has the best bullshit. | |
You = Foolish. They are making money off of CONSOLES. You don't buy 10 CONSOLES. Short term profits, long term failure. Do you REALLY think that Nintendo will be able to still sell Wiis in 10 years? Consoles aren't where the money is, the GAMES are where you make the big bucks. You will sell alot of consoles and then what? No games = no money. Well, no good games.
Sadly, you are wrong. The problem is is that we have hit the top of graphics for a while. They will wait for a while. MS, Sony, and Nintendo have said they don't plan to make a new console for about 10 years. Nintendo can't last with only the DS, either. It's always been lasting on Handheld/Console. Losing 3 times in a row isn't good business. Their problem is that they have stayed "Family" oriented while everyone else went to hardcore gaming. | |
What the hell? It's second Anti-Nintendo thread today! Anyway,what they do lack is third-party support. And yes,they'll have some problems without it. But not crippling ones. Sorry everyone,but they're probably staying. What's with all the Nintendo hate,anyway? Yes,their games are simplistic. But sometimes,we need exactly that - something overly simple - to have fun. | |
More or less the truth - I challenge someone to find me a quality Wii game released this year. But, conversely...
A 'kiddy' game is not a bad game. A bad game is a bad game. And what genre tends to enable bad games? Casual and fitness, precisely what Nintendo leans on and produces in vast quantities. | |
They are all ready planning a Wii upgrade that does both SD and HD video. So here comes a shit load more sales as people all over the world upgrade their Wii's. Yes, you all know it will happen. Nintendo fans are crazy for the next iteration of any Nintendo product. Pokemon anyone? Same game over and over yet it sells like MAD. So on top of the 2-3 billion Nintendo just sacked in the bank just from the Wii not to mention the few billion from the DS over the years Nintendo has the HUGEST war chest of raw cash of all of the companies. The video game divisions at Sony and Microsoft wish they had profits even half of what Nintendo has been pulling in hand over fist. There is not a snow balls chance in the burning pits of Hell that they are doomed. It is completely impossible. I am no Nintendo fanboy, In fact, I rather dislike the Wii. It does not have enough awesome games for me to buy one. Please so start on Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and that crap. I have been playing Mario, Zelda, and Metroid since the mid-1980's. I am tired of those characters. But I am a realist as well. I realize that if anyone thinks Nintendo is doomed in any way, shape, or form they are crazier than a shit house rat. | |
Why get with the times if you can produce cheap plastic crap and make insane amounts of money with it? | |
Who the hell plays games for fun :) But the fact is no matter what people say or think Nintendo is not going to sink. They have done everything right with marketing and product placement that they just can't. They have been in the game longer than anyone and will probably last longer than anyone. | |
Slightly hyperbolic thread title, there. I'm sure Nintendo have it all worked out, they just aren't telling us. While Milo is standing creepily all alone by that lake in virtual purgatory, your granny will be happily loading up Wii 2 Dream Gardener. | |
Don't look at Nintendo's marketing from the point of view of a console war, just look at it from a matter of profit or no profit. So long as they aren't going into deficit, I'm pretty sure that they're happy. If they find that profit flow isnt coming in as well as it should; they root out the problem and fix it. Thus we have 2 new Zelda and Mario titles coming up, with a Metroid a little further down the line. Point is; just because they 'lost the console wars' doesn't mean they're in any threat of going out of business. It only means that other consoles did better that generation. | |
I'm sorry, how is it all possible you are spinning "making money off of consoles" as bad? Sony and Microsoft lose money on the cnsoles, while Nintendo gains. One point to Nintendo. But of course that doesn't matter. Further, Nintendo doesn't make games, right? Because on the top games lists for the past THREE YEARS more than half the list wasn't populated exclusively by Wii games, right? No, no, no. You, you are right, because you don't like the games Nintendo puts out. People didn't buy out Wii Fit for years. What the f*@#, is it opposite day? Let's keep going: Nintendo has NEVER once had a non-supply constrained Christmas, but that doesn't matter either, no. Nintendo's first party releases have also all been huge disasters, too. I mean Wii Sports? Who the hell wants that, right? The only problem with Nintendo is the way people look at it. It's the approach third parties have with it, i.e. release shitty shovelware not even the expanded audience wants. But of course, continue saying Nintendo is doomed. Continue to claim making money off consoles is bad, and Nintendo doesn't release any games. I feel like I'm screaming at a deaf person. Ever heard of the 'elephant in the room' analogy? Look it up, it applies precisely. | |
As much as hardcore gamers might disagree, the brains behind Nintendo aren't stupid. They know that the flow of money they've been getting from exploiting the casual market is starting to dry up. As soon as the casual crowd has moved on, you can fully expect Nintendo to enjoy a renaissance of sorts. See, they know that no matter how badly they're perceived in the eyes of gamers, if they put out another console Mario, Zelda, Metroid or Smash Bros. game, it will sell like hotcakes. It's cyclical, my man. Exploit the wealthy and stupid while they're enamored with the Wii's gimmicky technology, and when they've lost interest, go back to exploiting gamers who'll buy any game that features a kid with a sword and a green hat. | |
While I will agree that the games are truly where money is made by developers, Nintendo is so much more than a mere developer. Nintendo almost always has their eyes set in the right direction, and they could tell while developing the Wii that they needed to go in a new direction. That is what will happen with Nintendo; they will take the industry in a new direction. The Wii uses motion control tech for a control scheme, which is largely untested on a console. They will continue to improve on this tech (notice the Wii MotionPlus that came out recently?) to help enhance the Wii's gaming experience. Also, not having "good" games (as seen by the "hardcore" audience) is not required. Nintendo has shifted their market focus to a larger and less competitive area, and they can use it to rake in money hand-over-fist. While Carnival Games may earn crap ratings and poor sales, they will still sell....along with the 30 games that resemble it. Nintendo makes money based on being able to sell a wide variety of product to an even larger audience.
How is Nintendo "lasting" with the DS? They are kicking about seven different kinds of ass with the DS, since there is next-to-no competition. And Nintendo hasn't "lost" anything three times in a row; they may not have "won" the console wars for the last two generations (although anyone who thinks that the PS One beat the N64 is just silly), Nintendo still has sold billions worth of product, and created some of gaming's timeless masterpieces. In short, have faith. | |
You don't understand. The housewives don't care about graphics and the graphics fans don't care about the Wii, so it won't make that much $. Wait, better graphics as a cash in? THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE 32X! Wait, didn't the 32X fail? Also, remember, people have to BUY the games for them to last. Bad games = everyone leaves the Wii besides for the 1 to 2 games a year housewives. Utter destruction of Wii results from that. | |
If you are going to make a statement like "Nintendo is doomed," gather and analyze supporting evidence. "They are making the kinds of mistakes 2 other companies made. Sega and Atari. Sega did good at first with the Dreamcast. But then everyone else got better and it died" is an empty, baseless statement. Describe HOW the Dreamcast died, and draw parallels between it and the Wii. | |
Three articles talk about how the PS3 might actually be selling some consoles now that it costs a normal amount. Just like the idiots talking about the demise of the PS3 were premature, the idiots talking about the demise of nintendo are as well. I feel I must point out that there is nothing hardcore about the Microsoft and Sony consoles. Baby toys for baby gamers; just as silly as nintendo, but wrapped in fancier plastic. | |
LOL The current gen wont be around for 10 more years mate technology advances to fast for that. | |
Nintendo is neither Sega nor Atari. Nintendo has Pokemon. They have the DS. And how hey have the Wii. With this one generation Nintendo has erased every mistake made for the past decade of fuck ups. Also of note, all the best selling Wii games are Nintendo games. Who makes that money> Oh that's right, Nintendo does! More cash in the bank. Nintendo is too damn rich to go down like Sega. It is just not going to happen. I do agree that to hold people's interest they need more games. But that is not hard really. Nintendo has time on their side because their bank account is over flowing like madness. | |
Just because I'm too lazy to retype a new rebuttal. Your premise falls apart when you decided to focus on graphics as the cause for Nintendo to be doomed. Remember this is the first console generation where Sony and Microsoft consoles were brought to the state of the art technology. These consoles were sold at a loss. Compared to the Wii, Nintendo sold their console at a profit using existing technology which was one of the reasons that made them the leader of this console generation. The rest is from another post with another "doomsday" rant about Nintendo. Nintendo is not irrelevant. If anything Nintendo is more crucial to the video game industry than ever before. While you may not like the games for the wii the products and innovation that Nintendo have created are what makes them the leaders of the video game industry. What many patrons of the escapist here call "gimmicks" are actually praised and desired by two very important groups: the young and investors. This is what keeps the video game industry alive especially since the standards have been raised out of the "core" (that's us) and into the mainstream. They need these two groups to keep doing what they do best, create standout content and ensure profits. Many great games have been overlooked by the many generalities made by the "Hardcore", or "gaming elite" but these two groups have a smaller range of games that appease them than old men like me who like to be a jack of all trades and experience video games as a medium. Think about this, will you ever find a RTS or FPS player who competes in tournaments to really sit down and play a dungeon crawler? Even that Sci-fi reality show(which I found out are really experts) demonstrates that these "gaming elite" spend all their time on one genre of video games. Games and experiences like Baroque, Dragon Blade:Wrath of Fire, Final Fantasy Fables:chocobo's dungeon, wii sports, wii sports resort, wii fit, wii fit plus, Dead space extraction, No More Heroes, Fire Emblem, Tales of Symphonia, Mushroom Men, Wario Land:Shake it and many more that haven't been released yet are all great games, original IP's and all exclusively for the Nintendo Wii and on disc. In conclusion Nintendo games are there and although the "core" who have grown have dismissed the Wii in the pursuit of more adult content, Nintendo is still here. Their pursuits of motion controls have ensured that investors and the young would want to play with their product. Sony and Microsoft have had to create their own motion controls because they want to be like the wii and go further. That is a gigantic impact on these two companies because it means that they have to spend more R&D and advertising in order to get their consumers and investors interested in their product in the hopes to produce the same profit. Nintendo learned from their mistakes when they stuck to cartridges and focused on the "core" and have ensured that their inventions would keep Nintendo as leaders of the industry. | |
The problem is is that sooner or later people will stop going back to Nintendo. You know the saying, Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. There's a reason there isn't a fool me thrice. Also, even idiotic people who love games like Wii Sports stop falling for it sooner or later. Do you really think people will buy the same game 3 times? Sooner or later the housewives will stumble upon WoW and then Nintendo loses another buyer. Also, kids grow out of the kiddy game phase. Finally, I don't think Epic Mickey will do good. Most kids associate him with kiddy games, and won't buy it just because of that. Face it, people like to kill things. WHY do you think that the best selling games are games like GoW, Halo, GTA, and Borderlands. Violence. | |
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/11/cooking-mama-recipe-yields-4-million-portions/ touche | |
People won't buy the same game more than once. After being fooled by it they won't trust them. Also, Nintendo's new buyers are people who normally buy 1 to 2 games a year. That sounds like a sound business strategy to me! I like how people say the gen won't last for long even though NATAL comes out 2010 or 2011, and they have said that they won't be making new consoles for a while (MS/Sony/Nintendo). I know you want to see Nintendo actually make something good for once, but it's not happening. They have gone the way of Sega and Atari. | |
-Disregard this if you read my post before. I'll retcon this to a simple "I disagree" and move on. Sorry for the disturbance- | |
"It's cyclical, my man. Exploit the wealthy and stupid while they're enamored with the Wii's gimmicky technology," Why do you hate Nintendo so much? Seriously if you don't like the Wii dont play the thing. | |
5 games for 4 mil? LOL. Halo 3 made more money than that entire franchise! | |
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So, the Wii is the highest selling console, right? That sounds good to me, you? Well, they forgot one thing. This generation of gaming is going to be the longest gen ever, and it still has another 7 - 10 (or more!) years left. It's like in horse racing. Being at the front of the pack at the start normally means you burn out and lose before it's over. They have to make good games for it to last, as lasting on console sales is impossible. They are making the kinds of mistakes 2 other companies made. Sega and Atari. Sega did good at first with the Dreamcast. But then everyone else got better and it died. Atari had a popular console. So, what did they do? Sell stuff like ET and that port that turned Pac-Man Fever into Pac-Man Cancer. Nintendo thinks they can live off of console sales for 10 more years? There is only so many housewives, Nintendo. Either stay with the pack or die alone, it's your choice.