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PROBATION  Posts: 2207 Joined: 27 Jul 2009     | |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 652 Joined: 10 Jul 2009     | Nintendo is one of the most innovative game companies out there. It is one of the few companies that can appeal to children, adults, students, housewives, buisiness men, and pensioners at the same time. You do not see it much abroad, but here in Japan, on the DS alone you have so many games for examination practice, cooking, learning foreign languages, pet care, exercise...Nitendo has turned a small gaming console into so many differnt things. You do not see that with the PSi Nintendo has once of the biggest markets out there. Not to mention the most popular and iconic characters. The fan base will stay for the next Zelda, mario, metroid because of the power of the rse coloured glasses of nostalgia. The children playing the `kiddy games` now will get the nintendo bug and keep playing. People who are not into games will keep buying nintendo products in order to get fit, learn Spanish e.t.c. Like it or not, Nintendo has a good marketing strategy, and is still one of the oldest companies on the market... ...saying that, I do wish that they would release some better games for the wii. Better sensor control would be nice too... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2301 Joined: 20 Feb 2008    |
...really? I'm sorry but since your profile doesn't show I have to ask. How old are you? How long have you been playing video games? Any old guy who has been playing games for years will admit that yes, people will buy the same game more than once. Why do you think EA and their sports series has been the lifeblood of the video game industry during the late 90's and early 00's? People were not lining up for an FPS on their console, they were after Madden and NBA games. Even during the third generation of consoles sports games flooded the market and people still bought them en masse. Same with Castlevania, and Ninja Gaiden, they were the same game but different maps. I really don't understand your Nintendo bias but understand that Nintendo is on top and making more profit than Sony and Microsoft this console generation. They have the elders who have enjoyed gaming with a hint of nostalgia, they have the youth because games are marketed to the kids, they have expanded their audience past the "core" gamers because they learned from Sony back during the 5th generation of consoles where Sony reached the teenager and jock demographic, and finally they have the investors. Investors that are excited seeing video games that are being made for girls at E3, new accessories like the Vitality Sensor which means Nintendo is taking risks and leading the video game industry into a new direction compared to Sony and Microsoft are copying Nintendo and they see their steady source of investment from games that address the "core" like New Super Mario Bros. Wii and Metroid:Other M. This is what gets Nintendo money and popularity and makes their business model sound. So trust this old man here when I say that Nintendo is fine and will be fine until the next console generation. If you really don't believe Nintendo will exist in the future then use your money and buy Microsoft stock. Windows 7 will do great because the business world needs to upgrade their OS for all the new software and hardware that needs to be replaced. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1390 Joined: 17 Nov 2008   | Not going to say anything in defense or against Nintendo, I don't like to bash consoles or companies as I'm not paid by anyone to do so. But I haven't played their console in ages, I haven't gotten a game since Madworld, and in all honesty the only thing that's kept me from selling my Wii is the Metroid game on it. I'd probably see more use from my Gamecube if it wasn't for Metroid Prime 3, they're all honestly fantastic games that I've played a lot, but if it wasn't there I'd have parted with the Wii. There's nothing wrong with the system, I don't have the interests in the games on the console though. :\ |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1027 Joined: 20 May 2009   |
and then Sony will try to outdo them and then a couple years later the cycle repeats with Microsoft. Where's the need for fanboyism? Cause I don't see it. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 792 Joined: 20 Jan 2009     |
By 2011 we can expect the next generation of consoles. It has always been roughly 5 years per generation. The is no reason for this to change. The life of a console, especially the PS2, is longer than the life cycle, but that's just for the gamers who don't feel the need to have the latest and greatest. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2052 Joined: 22 Jun 2009   | Meh, i disagree. first we will get. The Nintendo Wii HD then The Super Nintendo Wii HD then The Super Nintendo Wii HD X you can see where im going with this? |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 10 Joined: 5 Nov 2009    | Most of the consumer base that would buy a Wii already has one. So that piece of hardware isn't going to sell gang busters anymore. The hardcore market has always been the safe bet for devs and publishers, but branching out offers growth into new audiences and results inprofit out the ass. I think Nintendo needs to put more effort into software for the hardcore (as a safety net), but they can still cater to the casual market by marketing peripherals to them (because those idiots will buy anything). |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2360 Joined: 14 Sep 2008   | This thread is stupid. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2360 Joined: 14 Sep 2008 |
No, no, no, no. This is the Street Fighter franchise not Nintendo. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 170 Joined: 12 Aug 2009     |
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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1727 Joined: 27 Dec 2008   | sorry but I'm going to have to call bullshit on this. Look, the Wii may not be your exact form of entertainment but you, the vocal minority, should understand economics before you analyze an industry. If you dont understand the market then you cannot understand the business practices. Stop blaming the company(Nintendo, Wal-Mart, Mc.Donnalds,_________etc. ), look at the market, and |
PROBATION Posts: 2207 Joined: 27 Jul 2009 |
What are these game counsels you speak of? Is there a councilor? Really, I've only heard of game consoles. User was put on probation for: Poll: USA: Too Damn Big?. (7 days) |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 792 Joined: 20 Jan 2009 |
You made me laugh. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2245 Joined: 24 Nov 2008  | 7-10 years? Where did you get that data? Technological advances will make the console look like shit in ten years. I doubt if any generation can last 13 years. On top of that, why can't Nintendo just release a new system? It's not as if they have to stick to the Wii forever, they could improve the deign and release a new system. Considering that Nintendo is tapping a previous largely ignored group of people who are still ignored by Sony and Microsoft I doubt if they are in trouble. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 355 Joined: 12 Sep 2008  | Why is this in Gaming discussion? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4160 Joined: 6 Sep 2008  | Doomed to drown in money you mean? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1382 Joined: 27 Jul 2008    |
I guess the reason they're doing this is due to the NES/SNES-era fascist licensing they ran. It's rubbed off on them so much they barely accept third-party games these days. |
PROBATION Posts: 2207 Joined: 27 Jul 2009 |
Good point. I wouldn't say Cooking Mama is a game. More of an interactive cookbook. Wii Fit is a broken treadmill, all the shovelware is a carpet stained by animal... well, you know, and the "good" games are those $100 bills in the couch: Rare, shocking, and gone in a moment. User was put on probation for: Poll: USA: Too Damn Big?. (7 days) |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 657 Joined: 26 Aug 2009   |
I was going to say it too... This is a rare instance where spelling close isn't good enough... The meaning is changed... |
Beat Writer  Posts: 127 Joined: 14 May 2009   |
So what's to stop the same rule applying to these games? But if violence really is the only thing keeping these titles afloat, won't that thirst eventually dry up too? |
PROBATION Posts: 2207 Joined: 27 Jul 2009 |
It's not the only thing, but it makes them work. Think of Gears of War without killing. User was put on probation for: Poll: USA: Too Damn Big?. (7 days) |
Muckraker  Posts: 262 Joined: 13 Sep 2009 | I like the Wii, but I do agree that almost all the games coming out recently have been very insignificant. The best games came in the beginning of it's lifespan (Super Mario Galaxy, Zelda and Metroid). I hope there will be more good games soon. |
Muckraker Posts: 262 Joined: 13 Sep 2009 |
Yes, because it's focused on that theme. Games without (or little amount of) killing can be good too (although it's quite hard to find many games without any killing), if the design, gameplay, theme, ideas etc. are good. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2974 Joined: 7 Oct 2008   | Bah, nonsense. One thing you don't understand about loyalists and casual gamers is that neither of them have any taste. They don't know what's good or bad. They don't know what a well-designed game is compared to an unplayable piece of crap or shoddy redress of an old game. And even if they KNEW the new game was exactly like the old one they could buy for $5 secondhand, they'd still buy the new one anyway. The kind of people who contribute to the success of the Wii are the same who contribute to the success of Gamestop: casual gamers and non-gamers who do not know how to comparison shop or properly research what they want to buy. And that's nothing against casual gamers and non-gamers. I would have no idea where to go to buy the best power tools for the lowest price. I probably wouldn't care, either. I'm not a craftsman. If I bought a power tool for my friend, he'd probably think to himself that I either overpaid or bought him something inferior to what he already has. He'd probably be right. I'm not saying the Wii sucks, either. I think the games library is lacking (my sister had a Wii for quite some time, and I couldn't think of a single game I felt like buying for it), but the system itself is alright. The controllers need fixing, though. As for Ninty loyalists, they're getting exactly what they deserve: nothing much. Nintendo has shown over and over that it pretty much hates its hardcore fans. You see all that shovelware on the Wii? If the big N had been a little more strict about allowing crap on their system and had released a few more genuinely original IPs, the library might be more like that of the Gamecube (small, but with some excellent titles). And where is our DS/GBA Player, already? Nintendo would make SO much bank off of those, let me tell you. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 2 Joined: 7 Nov 2009    | First i have nothing against Nintento, but yeah after hearing the statements I can't ignore the fact that Nintendo may be slowly fading away, funny years ago I thought Sega would last longer then Nintendo, then Dreamcast...... (tears*) But i guess Nintendo could try maybe another Stronger system but, then again Zelda and Mario Phases are dieing out in my opinion, maybe they can drill more smash brother games into us. Sonic is not going to help them at all, Not if Sonic Unleashed is there example of a sonic game.... On a side note though Nintendo's hand held market seems to be doing ok, i mean ppl still flock for pokemon like crazy, so maybe they should just stick with that, who knows though Samurai Goomba makes a good point btw |
Beat Writer  Posts: 128 Joined: 19 Aug 2009 |
You mock the profit of a game whose gross income comes almost solely from small girls and housewives in comparison to the staple of the X-Box 360? Nintendo is alive and going strong. You say people won't buy the same thing over and over again, that there is no "fool me thrice." Look at Pokemon. The same game for ten years. It still sells like there's no tomorrow every year or so when they release a new gemstone coined addition to the franchise or the remake an old one. They sell one million copies of Pokemon Platinum, a small updated version of a game they released just previously, in just two days. Two million in a matter of weeks. It was a remake, an update, for a game released a little over a year later. Nintendo still cashes in on its hardcore audience. Just not as frequently. The fandom may feel neglected, but childhood memories are hard to get over and that nostalgic feeling just doesn't quit whenever there's a new Zelda out. Nintendo will always have fans. Even if this gambit with the casual fails as you predict it will. I'm sorry if this sounds rude or assuming, but you sound as if you were raised on Halo and whatnot and I pity you. Games used to be a great deal more entertaining when everyone wasn't trying to be too real, over-the-top, and gory. L337 speakers mock Sonic for being cartoony, but it doesn't change the fact that it was fun (in its prime). Try to be a little less serious and play games to have fun ... or make a paycheck as some people apparently do, but try to remember the fun. In the end it doesn't matter whose console had the best graphics or the best gimmicks, it matters if you, the guy who bought it, got more satisfaction than stress out of the effort. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 830 Joined: 4 Oct 2007  | Wow. Now if only your theories weren't contradicted by that little thing called evidence. You know, the evidence that shows that the Wii has an attach rate comparable to the PS3 despite having over twice the total number of console sales in the same period. If you don't know what that means, it means that on average, each Wii owner purchases the same number of games as each PS3 owner. Everybody goes on with this theory that Wii owners don't buy as many games as the other console owners without ever actually looking at the numbers. The numbers say that argument is simply bullshit. Are Wii owners getting burned with Wii Fit and Wii Sports? Talk with the people who actually play them rather than the "hardcore" console audience and you'll find most of them don't feel burned at all. Funny thing, most of them knew what they were getting when they purchased the product. So really, the only one who's saying they got burned around here is you.. who admits you don't play Wii games. To me it sounds like a bad case of sour grapes.. you can't admit that a huge number of people may like the games that you don't, so you postulate that they don't, and as such Nintendo is doomed. And here's the kicker.. the Wii may have a shorter lifespan built in than the other consoles, but Nintendo doesn't care. It made them money from day one, gave them name recognition in a market that wasn't tapped at all before, and during that time has allowed the higher processing power and graphics ability of the other consoles to come down in price. This means that even if the Wii has only half the lifespan of the other consoles, they've made money and then they're able to make a console comparable to the other two at a cheaper price from the beginning. Really, Mr. Birdman, the ones who are doomed are Sony as they steadily cede the lower end of the market to Nintendo and try to move upstream. If they want to survive past this generation, they're going to need to break out of that path and come up with something innovative that will let them start to compete again for the lower end of the market. Microsoft may have that something in Natal, we'll have to see how that plays out. |
Beat Writer Posts: 127 Joined: 14 May 2009 |
It's not the only thing, but it makes them work. Think of Gears of War without killing.[/quote] John DiMaggio growling futily at aliens dressed like they're attending a metal concert? I'll have to see if Futurama's done that already. I have to concede that Gears' violence was the only selling point for me, but less as a game but as a case study for an essay. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have considered it. |
Muckraker  Posts: 303 Joined: 13 Apr 2008  |
Statements like this should be the end of ANY console oriented thread. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 55 Joined: 22 Sep 2009  | Want to trade my Wii with a X-box? Anyone? COME ON!! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1761 Joined: 14 Apr 2009  |
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of A New World. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 383 Joined: 14 Jul 2009  | Nintendo was "doomed" with the N64, and again so with the GameCube, but then the showed us their Wii and their coffers were stuffed. They still pretty much own the hand-held sector, probably more than the iPhone and the PSP combined, hell, they practically mainstreamed consoles and hand-helds when neither seemed salvageable or viable. On top of which, despite he occasional xenophobic and derogatory remarks about westerners, Miyamoto has been regarded in America at certain points in our history as being bigger than Walt Disney, and Mario more iconic than Mickey Mouse. Nintendoomed? Oh no, my good fellow, that is not the horse I'd bet on. |
Muckraker  Posts: 249 Joined: 3 Oct 2009  |
As a 43 year old housewife, mum and gamer I take exception to the suggestion that the only thing I am likely to be interested in is the current selection of non-gamer games like I guess, Wii fit etc! |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1761 Joined: 14 Apr 2009 | You know what would signal the apocalypse? Not of Nintendo, but of the whole gaming industry? Also. OP is a troll. Contrary to popular belief, having no evidence, evidence to support the opposite of your claim and ridiculous ideas on how long this generation is going to last, stereotyping all Wii users as "housewives that only buy 1-2 games a year" and generally being dumb does not mean that you're correct. Also, at the top of this page, you even admitted that you don't play it... how would you know how fun/not fun it is then? |
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I don't play the Wii, and I only have a mild dislike for Nintendo *mumbles something about the Dreamcast being better than the 'Cube*.