http://trial-ch.org/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/Evenements_et_manifestations/Playing_by_the_Rule.pdf

Crimes listed below:
24: The Game-Torture
Army of Two-Mercenary Work
Battlefield: Bad Company-Wanton Destruction of civilian property, Pillage
Brothers in arms: Hell's Highway-Attacking Religious buildings
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare-Conducting questionable military operations, Toture, Summary execution
Call of Duty: World at War-Use of banned weapons, Killing wounded soldiers
Conflict: Desert Storm-Shooting own guys
Far Cry 2-Attacking civilians, surrendered enemies
World in Conflict-Attacking civilian targets
Frontlines: Fuel of War-Use of Cluster bombs
GRAW 2-Summary execution
Hour of Victory-Attacking civilian targets
Medal of Honour: Airbourne-Attacking civilian targets
MGS 4-Killing wounded combatants, mass murder
Soldier of Fortune-Attacking civilian targets
Splinter Cell: Double Agent-Killing Hostages, Terroism

Thoughts?

Furburt:
Thankfully, it's all fiction. I myself haven't been motivated to breach the Geneva convention by playing those games....

_much...

same here

Well, it isn't real. War crimes are depicted in films and on TV (24: The Game was, of course, just 24 beforehand), so this shouldn't be any different. They're hardly glorified.

MGS 4-Killing wounded combatants, mass murder

Murder? Apparently you've never done a no-kills run.

Also, I call into question if it's murder when they're shooting you in a military-combat environment. Killing, certainly, but murder?

Well the study for these crimes was based on the Geneva convention, so technically any game with a setting of pre-1949 should be removed from the list as the laws would not apply to the game world, as they were not written yet.

I'm sure this thread is new and exciting and me thinking this is a CDMW2 defense thread after the subject's been beaten to death is just silly.

Boop boop, bee doop doop.

Eh...kinda stretches. Since when is mercenary work a war crime?

But who doesn't love war crimes?

All of them: Killing the medic.

Furburt:

MatParker116:

Call of Duty: World at War-Use of banned weapons

I'm assuming you mean the Bouncing Betty mines?

MatParker116:

Far Cry 2-Attacking civilians, surrendered enemies

But surely, being an independent mercenary, the main character would be subject to criminal as opposed to military law?

Flamethrowers

GTA= grand theft automobile XD

Orcus_35:
GTA= grand theft automobile XD

Grand Tucked A---
Fill in the rest

notoriouslynx:

Flishiz:
Eh...kinda stretches. Since when is mercenary work a war crime?

I think since world war... I'm not certain. I know its a war crime. We talked about it in class. My teacher was in intelligence and knows a lot of stuff about the army and what not.

Oh yes, sounds reputable, or maybe just misinterpreted. So does that mean after years spending millions on Blackwater nobody really noticed them until they killed a bunch of civilians?

notoriouslynx:

Flishiz:
Eh...kinda stretches. Since when is mercenary work a war crime?

I think since world war... I'm not certain. I know its a war crime. We talked about it in class. My teacher was in intelligence and knows a lot of stuff about the army and what not.

EDIT:sorry, double posted for some reason.

We are missing a few.

There is a mistake in the actual paper which says you were in a helicopter using thermal vision in Modern Warfare. In the game you were actually in a C-130 spectre, a modification of a 4 engine cargo plane.

edit: forgot to mention that the Geneva convention forgets somethign major and that is that war is violent. Shit will be blown up, people will be killed horribly, it is just the nature of war.

edit further: "Furthermore, in this game, the player is also allowed to shoot a person who is surrendering.
This amounts to a violation of the prohibition of attacking those who have laid down their
arms.88"
This is reffering to Far Cry 2. I have yet to see an enemy in that game surrender. I recall them dropping to the ground only to seconds later pull out a pistol and still try to kill me. I recall a a leader of one of the factions trying to talk me out of wasting him so I lowered my gun, he pulled out a pistol, fired a few shots, and recieved 30 rounds from an MP5 for his trouble.

....Is there a point you're trying to make?
Also IIRC you aren't a soldier in Farcry 2.

Let's be honest for a moment: It's war. When it comes to institutionalized murder, any form of law or restriction is pretty much moot.

But...I don't remember that one in GRAW 2. Would you care to elaborate?

What the hell is up with that document? They are trying to recommend that players in game have to adhere to real world law? Isnt part of the point of a game... ya know... Escapism?

Flishiz:
Eh...kinda stretches. Since when is mercenary work a war crime?

Since the Geneva convention.

In WW2, some of those WEREN'T WAR CRIMES. And so friggin what? War is the ultimate pinncale of human developent and our wonderful twisted sense of glory and thirst for power. Sometimes someone gets hurt along the way. Reality is much worse than some game.

MatParker116:
http://trial-ch.org/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/Evenements_et_manifestations/Playing_by_the_Rule.pdf
Frontlines: Fuel of War-Use of Cluster bombs
Thoughts?

The US never agreed to this (walked out of the meeting), so where in the green zone here, same with incendiary devices...

Flishiz:
Eh...kinda stretches. Since when is mercenary work a war crime?

then blackwater would be the most corrupted company out there

.....oh wait

War Crimes. For when regular crimes just aren't crimey enough.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahah...

No one cares.

IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL!

MatParker116:
http://trial-ch.org/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/Evenements_et_manifestations/Playing_by_the_Rule.pdf

Crimes listed below:
24: The Game-Torture
Army of Two-Mercenary Work
Battlefield: Bad Company-Wanton Destruction of civilian property, Pillage
Brothers in arms: Hell's Highway-Attacking Religious buildings
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare-Conducting questionable military operations, Toture, Summary execution
Call of Duty: World at War-Use of banned weapons, Killing wounded soldiers
Conflict: Desert Storm-Shooting own guys
Far Cry 2-Attacking civilians, surrendered enemies
World in Conflict-Attacking civilian targets
Frontlines: Fuel of War-Use of Cluster bombs
GRAW 2-Summary execution
Hour of Victory-Attacking civilian targets
Medal of Honour: Airbourne-Attacking civilian targets
MGS 4-Killing wounded combatants, mass murder
Soldier of Fortune-Attacking civilian targets
Splinter Cell: Double Agent-Killing Hostages, Terroism

Thoughts?

What? Flamethrowers were banned in WW2? And what the Japanese did wasn't?
Cluster Munitions are banned? WTF? We still deploy them today!
How is a questionable military operation a war crime? I will give you the torture though, they make it pretty obvious in both modern warfares.
You're just nitpicking and looking at stuff that isn't there in most other games.

And besides, who cares? Better do it in game than do it in life, and its not like things like that never happen in real life...

In most of the game you're breaking your enemies laws too. I'm pretty sure Germany considers it a national crime for someone to kill their soldiers. Screw the rules I have weapons!

Archetypal_Maniac:
We are missing a few.

This is very true, most notably MW2-attacking civilians.

Because video games = real life, people.

Serious! Think of the pixels!

RAKtheUndead:

MatParker116:

Furburt:

MatParker116:

Call of Duty: World at War-Use of banned weapons

I'm assuming you mean the Bouncing Betty mines?

MatParker116:

Far Cry 2-Attacking civilians, surrendered enemies

But surely, being an independent mercenary, the main character would be subject to criminal as opposed to military law?

Flamethrowers

Flamethrowers aren't banned under the Geneva Convention; why else would the United States be using napalm openly in Vietnam? They're banned near civilian populations, though.

Flamethrowers are not banned at all. There's no specific mention of them anywhere in the ROE for the US military. They stopped being used because they're too risky/ineffective. Napalm isn't banned, either. It's restricted to use only on military targets, though...which falls under the same area of the Geneva convention's 'you aren't allowed to shoot civilians' clause.