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Ever seen a game whose selling point has been done before, and better? Tell me about it.

In my case, it's Wet. Rubi's whole special thing is shooting one guy manually while auto-aiming at another. Well, I've got news Artificial Mind and Movement, you got beat by Lucas Arts. Specifically, by Star Wars: Bounty Hunter; in which you run around the galaxy as Jango Fett and kill anything that looks at you funny. Jango's signature weapons are his dual blaster pistols, with which he can aim at one guy, and auto-aim at another. The major differences being that Jango has lock-on targeting, and he can do this trick without having to do crazy acrobatics at the same time.

Given that it's Lucas Arts doing this, it was probably done somewhere else first, but I haven't seen it.

Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Every GTA clone.

Every Ratchet and Clank game, which holds no ground compared to the Jak and Daxter series

pimppeter2:
Every Ratchet and Clank game, which holds no ground compared to the Jak and Daxter series

agree

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

coldshadow:

pimppeter2:
Every Ratchet and Clank game, which holds no ground compared to the Jak and Daxter series

agree

Me too

Too bad that it's done BETTER before, but I don't mind people TRYING to take cool mechanics and make them better. CAPS PRO!

pimppeter2:
Every Ratchet and Clank game, which holds no ground compared to the Jak and Daxter series

Lo he speaks the truth!
I would love another Jak and Daxter as well a maybe a Sly Cooper.

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

pimppeter2:
Every Ratchet and Clank game, which holds no ground compared to the Jak and Daxter series

my favorite game ever: Jak 2

my second favorite game ever: Ratchet and Clank

I think there's room for both.

These are similar games for sure, but what is so inferior in this comparison about Ratchet and Clank?

I honestly feel this way for all FPS's, aren't there enough of them out there? In my opinion there really is well over enough. I don't mind playing them, it's just... there's so much of them out already and it seems like they're just pouring out endlessly.

WayOutThere:

pimppeter2:
Every Ratchet and Clank game, which holds no ground compared to the Jak and Daxter series

my favorite game ever: Jak 2

my second favorite game ever: Ratchet and Clank

I think there's room for both.

Heretic!

WayOutThere:
These are similar games for sure, but what is so inferior in this comparison about Ratchet and Clank?

Its not Jak and Daxter

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

Except that you're essentially suggesting that your TV remote is the same as your webcam, when you know they are two completely different things.

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

They are both gimmicks that grew old, quick. [Though the eye toy kicked ass. Major Ass.] And they both require physical interaction. : )

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

Except that you're essentially suggesting that your TV remote is the same as your webcam, when you know they are two completely different things.

The method of input is the same.
A story is a story whether it's told through a book or a television.
That's probably a really bad analogy.

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

Except that you're essentially suggesting that your TV remote is the same as your webcam, when you know they are two completely different things.

The method of input is the same.
A story is a story whether it's told through a book or a television.
That's probably a really bad analogy.

If we're going to stretch this line of logic out even more, you might as well just say that the Eye Toy was a rip-off of video cameras. And every FPS is a rip off of Doom. Or Blake Stone. Whichever you want to harken back to. I prefer Blake.

AWC Viper:
Every GTA clone.

I disagree. There was a game I used to play in which you could steal cars and kill people and that was long before the top down GTA came out.

Mr.Pandah:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

Except that you're essentially suggesting that your TV remote is the same as your webcam, when you know they are two completely different things.

The method of input is the same.
A story is a story whether it's told through a book or a television.
That's probably a really bad analogy.

If we're going to stretch this line of logic out even more, you might as well just say that the Eye Toy was a rip-off of video cameras. And every FPS is a rip off of Doom. Or Blake Stone. Whichever you want to harken back to. I prefer Blake.

ehhh wii fanbois? Honestly, after owning the wii, it's nothing more than a glorified eye toy.

F.E.A.R is a rip off of doom in every sence of the word.

crepesack :

Mr.Pandah:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

Except that you're essentially suggesting that your TV remote is the same as your webcam, when you know they are two completely different things.

The method of input is the same.
A story is a story whether it's told through a book or a television.
That's probably a really bad analogy.

If we're going to stretch this line of logic out even more, you might as well just say that the Eye Toy was a rip-off of video cameras. And every FPS is a rip off of Doom. Or Blake Stone. Whichever you want to harken back to. I prefer Blake.

ehhh wii fanbois? Honestly, after owning the wii, it's nothing more than a glorified eye toy.

ehhh being a bit presumptuous?

I'm hardly a fanboy of that system, but saying its essentially an eyetoy is just...wrong.

crepesack :
ehhh wii fanbois? Honestly, after owning the wii, it's nothing more than a glorified eye toy.

Don't label me dickhead, I just despise ignorance. And the Wii is a glorified eye toy the way your mouse is a VR helmet.

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

Except that you're essentially suggesting that your TV remote is the same as your webcam, when you know they are two completely different things.

The method of input is the same.
A story is a story whether it's told through a book or a television.
That's probably a really bad analogy.

No, any time a book is adapted to television or movies much is lost in the translation, and you end up with fans of the original book whining on Internet forums about how they "ruined it".
Besides what does that have to do with anything?

canadamus_prime:
snip

Look, never mind it.
I can't see this being resolved any time soon.

ethaninja:

AWC Viper:
Every GTA clone.

I disagree. There was a game I used to play in which you could steal cars and kill people and that was long before the top down GTA came out.

oh, really? well i didn't know that.

ummm. juiced, Need for speed did it.

The gravity gun thing from DOOM 3 Resurrection Of Evil.

John Woo came before Max Payne came before Every Other Game With Bullet-Time

Hey, Half-Life 1. Marathon did FPS with a great story first!

Mario and his fire flower invented third person shooting.

Y'know how people ALWAYS say that castle wolfenstein 3D was the one which ultimately revolutionised first person games...Hovertank and catacombs, did it all before you, gna gna gna gna gna gna (Mainly doing this with extreme sarcasm).

crepesack :

Mr.Pandah:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

Except that you're essentially suggesting that your TV remote is the same as your webcam, when you know they are two completely different things.

The method of input is the same.
A story is a story whether it's told through a book or a television.
That's probably a really bad analogy.

If we're going to stretch this line of logic out even more, you might as well just say that the Eye Toy was a rip-off of video cameras. And every FPS is a rip off of Doom. Or Blake Stone. Whichever you want to harken back to. I prefer Blake.

ehhh wii fanbois? Honestly, after owning the wii, it's nothing more than a glorified eye toy.

Sounds kind of ignorant, The eye toy is a camera that recognizes movement, the wii remote has a infared sensor bar and accelerometers (3 if your using the Motion +, I think). Tech is very different, both of which have advantages but aren't suited to gaming, yet. My bets on accelerometers over cameras.

Anyways, gimmicks, Spin jump from New Super Mario Bros. Wii. I liked the way it was in Super Mario...land? (I forget which, the one with the yoshis and the star place and ya).

Mr.Pandah:

If we're going to stretch this line of logic out even more, you might as well just say that the Eye Toy was a rip-off of video cameras. And every FPS is a rip off of Doom. Or Blake Stone. Whichever you want to harken back to. I prefer Blake.

Blake Stone was a total conversion of the Wolfenstein 3D engine. It added floor and ceiling textures though, was pretty advanced at the time.

E-mantheseeker:
I honestly feel this way for all FPS's, aren't there enough of them out there? In my opinion there really is well over enough. I don't mind playing them, it's just... there's so much of them out already and it seems like they're just pouring out endlessly.

That's exactly one of the reasons why I'm saving for a PS3, so I can have a little more variety in my game library (I'm not saying that the PS3 has more variety, but since my family already has a 360, it'll mean access to more games, meaning greater variety).

I'm tired of all the FPS's >_<

Areck:

crepesack :

Mr.Pandah:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:

canadamus_prime:

Pararaptor:
Project Natal? You were beaten by the Wii.
Wii? You were beaten by the EyeToy.

Do I have to point out that the Wii and the Eye Toy have virtually nothing in common.

Oh I don't know, waving your arms around in front of a screen is the basic principle behind both of them.
And most of their games all rely heavily on waggle.

Except that you're essentially suggesting that your TV remote is the same as your webcam, when you know they are two completely different things.

The method of input is the same.
A story is a story whether it's told through a book or a television.
That's probably a really bad analogy.

If we're going to stretch this line of logic out even more, you might as well just say that the Eye Toy was a rip-off of video cameras. And every FPS is a rip off of Doom. Or Blake Stone. Whichever you want to harken back to. I prefer Blake.

ehhh wii fanbois? Honestly, after owning the wii, it's nothing more than a glorified eye toy.

Sounds kind of ignorant, The eye toy is a camera that recognizes movement, the wii remote has a infared sensor bar and accelerometers (3 if your using the Motion +, I think). Tech is very different, both of which have advantages but aren't suited to gaming, yet. My bets on accelerometers over cameras.

Anyways, gimmicks, Spin jump from New Super Mario Bros. Wii. I liked the way it was in Super Mario...land? (I forget which, the one with the yoshis and the star place and ya).

super mario world i believe, sorry just recently started playing around with emulators specifically a SNES one, that was the second game i downloaded

Pacman invented survival horror, Spaced Invaders invented 3rd person shooting, and Pong invented RTS games.

HG131:
Hey, Half-Life 1. Marathon did FPS with a great story first!

No it didn't.

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