ME2 Question (for those who have completed it )

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I need help, I am gonna do the second playthrough but on my first one Morden and Legion died. I don't care so much about Legion but y'all know Morden rocked. Could someone please tell me how to get my whole team to survive on the collector ship?

No there isn't anyway to get her loyalty back*. To keep Miranda alive don't give her any jobs on the suicide mission and don't take her with you to the final boss. I'm not 100% sure if that will save her but people only seem to die when you give em jobs. I have heard of people dying randomly but it seems to be rare. You don't need full loyalty to come out with everyone, I know that for a fact.

I was lucky though, I always have enough Paragon/Renegade points to do the impossible. Screw Neutrality!

*Edited.

Also, if you do Jack's mission first and side with her can you then go and do Miranda's and gain her loyalty as well? I've never tried that.

Yes there is you just have to have either your paragon or renegade points almost all filled out. If you have that when they aregue you can choose a good or bad chat option that will be neutral and keep both their loyalty. If you didnt have enough when they argued i believe you can talk to miranda with 100% paragon or renegade points and it will give the option to get her loyalty back.

As far as I can tell, anyone without full loyalty will die at some point. The only deciding factor with regards to tasks is WHEN they will die, and if they take someone else with them. But no matter what you do those with low loyalty WILL die by the end. I suggest going and doing an extra side quest or something to pick up a few extra paragon/renagade points, or accept that you can't save everyone this time and restart.

Fire Daemon:

*Edited.

Also, if you do Jack's mission first and side with her can you then go and do Miranda's and gain her loyalty as well? I've never tried that.

the confrontation between them doesn't happen until you did BOTH loyalty missions

Andothul:
If you didnt have enough when they argued i believe you can talk to miranda with 100% paragon or renegade points and it will give the option to get her loyalty back.

Same as what Andothul says, if you don't have the required paragon/renegade at the time of the argument, you can talk to either one of them after once you've got enough points and they'll be loyal again.

Fire Daemon:
No there isn't anyway to get her loyalty back*. To keep Miranda alive don't give her any jobs on the suicide mission and don't take her with you to the final boss. I'm not 100% sure if that will save her but people only seem to die when you give em jobs. I have heard of people dying randomly but it seems to be rare. You don't need full loyalty to come out with everyone, I know that for a fact.

I was lucky though, I always have enough Paragon/Renegade points to do the impossible. Screw Neutrality!

*Edited.

Also, if you do Jack's mission first and side with her can you then go and do Miranda's and gain her loyalty as well? I've never tried that.

This only occurs when both are loyal, so unfortunately no.

Edit: My apologies I failed to notice that that question had been answered already. My bad.

Fire Daemon:

Also, if you do Jack's mission first and side with her can you then go and do Miranda's and gain her loyalty as well? I've never tried that.

I think the scene only triggers if you completed both of their missions.

Andothul:
If you didnt have enough when they argued i believe you can talk to miranda with 100% paragon or renegade points and it will give the option to get her loyalty back.

This is true I'm not sure if 100% paragon/renegade is needed though. Just talk to whoever you pissed off. If you have enough points there should be a red/blue dialog option to the left of the dialog wheel. If you don't have enough to points to do this then there's nothing you can do.

Fire Daemon:
I'm not 100% sure if that will save her but people only seem to die when you give em jobs. I have heard of people dying randomly but it seems to be rare.

I guess I'm the rare exception.
I had everyone's loyalty, and Mordin died in the final act. He was the only one to die, and I never gave him a job.
I did give Garrus a 'lead that group' job twice, so maybe that contributed.
I have no idea.

All I know, is that Mordin died, and he was the only one. What a wimp.

Fire Daemon:
No there isn't anyway to get her loyalty back*. To keep Miranda alive don't give her any jobs on the suicide mission and don't take her with you to the final boss. I'm not 100% sure if that will save her but people only seem to die when you give em jobs. I have heard of people dying randomly but it seems to be rare. You don't need full loyalty to come out with everyone, I know that for a fact.

I was lucky though, I always have enough Paragon/Renegade points to do the impossible. Screw Neutrality!

*Edited.

Also, if you do Jack's mission first and side with her can you then go and do Miranda's and gain her loyalty as well? I've never tried that.

No, you only get the cutscene of them arguing after you have done both loyalty missions. Its the same with legion ad Tali.
And yes, what you said at the start should keep her alive, but i'm not entirely sure. I always had enough paragon points to resolve the issue without losing anyones loyalty

Actually...

Just a thought, is it possible to do every loyalty mission, and save the crew?

Like is it possible for me to do legions loyalty quest and then leave immediatly for the crew?

dududf:
Actually...

Just a thought, is it possible to do every loyalty mission, and save the crew?

Like is it possible for me to do legions loyalty quest and then leave immediatly for the crew?

Yep.

poiumty:

dududf:
Actually...

Just a thought, is it possible to do every loyalty mission, and save the crew?

Like is it possible for me to do legions loyalty quest and then leave immediatly for the crew?

Yep.

But you get Legion after the IFF mission... and then if you go to another planet the Collectors raid the ship.

And you don't actually GO any where...

dududf:

But you get Legion after the IFF mission... and then if you go to another planet the Collectors raid the ship.

And you don't actually GO any where...

Wait what's stopping you? I'm pretty sure you can still roam around the galaxy map even when the Collectors take your crew.

DarkLordofDevon:
As far as I can tell, anyone without full loyalty will die at some point. The only deciding factor with regards to tasks is WHEN they will die, and if they take someone else with them. But no matter what you do those with low loyalty WILL die by the end. I suggest going and doing an extra side quest or something to pick up a few extra paragon/renagade points, or accept that you can't save everyone this time and restart.

Nope, it is possible to save everyone with as little as 4 loyal characters.

Baby Tea:
I guess I'm the rare exception.
I had everyone's loyalty, and Mordin died in the final act. He was the only one to die, and I never gave him a job.
I did give Garrus a 'lead that group' job twice, so maybe that contributed.
I have no idea.

All I know, is that Mordin died, and he was the only one. What a wimp.

Mordin and Tali seem to be the ones that die randomlly, which is really strange. They certainly are likeable so maybe it was just Bioware deciding to be jerks to random people?

Did you purchase Mordin's Omni-tool? Maybe that had something to do with it.

dududf:
Actually...

Just a thought, is it possible to do every loyalty mission, and save the crew?

Like is it possible for me to do legions loyalty quest and then leave immediatly for the crew?

I know that you have time to talk to Legion and get his mission before the IFF is installed. Not sure about after that though, I'd say no but I've only played it twice, could be wrong.

Everyone:
You get the argument after you do both missions

Yeah, thanks for telling me.

In the situation like this, its most ideal to pick either paragon or renegade options. When you side with one of them, you lose the loyalty of the other (this is going to happen again pretty soon for you).

You're best to reload (if you can) and use Paragon or Renegade options. If not, then you might be screwed on the final mission.

dududf:

poiumty:

dududf:
Actually...

Just a thought, is it possible to do every loyalty mission, and save the crew?

Like is it possible for me to do legions loyalty quest and then leave immediatly for the crew?

Yep.

But you get Legion after the IFF mission... and then if you go to another planet the Collectors raid the ship.

And you don't actually GO any where...

You should be able to do legions loyalty mission straight after the Reaper IFF without the collectors attacking. If i remember correctly, you get one free mission without losing the crew.
Then you have to go straight to the suicide mission or you lose most of the crew.
You do 1 mission after collector attack on you ship you lose kelly
You do more you lose everyone but the doc

Baby Tea:

Fire Daemon:
I'm not 100% sure if that will save her but people only seem to die when you give em jobs. I have heard of people dying randomly but it seems to be rare.

I guess I'm the rare exception.
I had everyone's loyalty, and Mordin died in the final act. He was the only one to die, and I never gave him a job.
I did give Garrus a 'lead that group' job twice, so maybe that contributed.
I have no idea.

All I know, is that Mordin died, and he was the only one. What a wimp.

Garrus is one of the best leaders, that's fine. Mordin IS a wimp, he has a quite high chance of dying in the final act. The best thing to do is to have him lead the survivors back because that way he will definitely survive.

i told them both to leave each other the fuck alone and stay 1 floor apart at all times. I lost the loyalty of niether. Then i had sex with jack, and made miranda my love interest. I also find it funny when i went throguh mass effect 1 i was dating a girl named ashleigh. Same name different spelling. And now im going through Mass effect 2 and im dating a girl named miranda. i was like WTF?

EMFCRACKSHOT:

dududf:

poiumty:

dududf:
Actually...

Just a thought, is it possible to do every loyalty mission, and save the crew?

Like is it possible for me to do legions loyalty quest and then leave immediatly for the crew?

Yep.

But you get Legion after the IFF mission... and then if you go to another planet the Collectors raid the ship.

And you don't actually GO any where...

You should be able to do legions loyalty mission straight after the Reaper IFF without the collectors attacking. If i remember correctly, you get one free mission without losing the crew.
Then you have to go straight to the suicide mission or you lose most of the crew.
You do 1 mission after collector attack on you ship you lose kelly
You do more you lose everyone but the doc

Oh OK.

On my first play through I was getting annoyed at the so few collector encounters so I gleefully rushed on into the iff mission hoping to kill some collectors.

Sadly no collectors =[

I've killed more Humans then proper "enemies" what does that say about the game? I don't know...

It have been mentioned before, but max out your paragon/renegade and talk to Miranda, easy-peasy-japanesy

Fire Daemon:
No there isn't anyway to get her loyalty back*. To keep Miranda alive don't give her any jobs on the suicide mission and don't take her with you to the final boss. I'm not 100% sure if that will save her but people only seem to die when you give em jobs. I have heard of people dying randomly but it seems to be rare. You don't need full loyalty to come out with everyone, I know that for a fact.

I was lucky though, I always have enough Paragon/Renegade points to do the impossible. Screw Neutrality!

*Edited.

Also, if you do Jack's mission first and side with her can you then go and do Miranda's and gain her loyalty as well? I've never tried that.

1. Dying depends on a lot of factors, loyalty, who the other people are in the squad, etc. Miranda doesn't die if she leads the first alternative team, for instance.

2. Side with Miranda, then go tell Jack that you were just lying to shut her up. You can do a similar thing with Legion/Tali by siding with Tali and telling Legion that you were just lying to shut Tali up.

3. They only start fighting after you've finished BOTH loyalty missions. So there's no way to side with one before they are both loyal. Same with Tali's mission.

Or use paragon/renegade.

If not those... then I think you're screwed. If you want them to live even though they're not loyal, then I wouldn't take them anywhere or give them any jobs in the final mission, as was suggested. Just to be safe.

CmdrGoob:
Mordin IS a wimp, he has a quite high chance of dying in the final act. The best thing to do is to have him lead the survivors back because that way he will definitely survive.

I like to take Mordin with me to the boss fight. He's incinerate makes really quick work of Harbinger whenever he decides to pop up. Mordin survived when I took him and Samara to the final battle.

I always wondered if the teammates surviving that final battle has to do with researching enough health boosting upgrades and what not. Because I've seen the cinematics where they die, and they essentially get clobbered by the debris you pick off of them in the cinematic. In my game they stood up and they were fine. On youtube, it looks like they're too injured and die.

6 minutes in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRHhdc53Od8

You can talk them out of their grumpiness if you have 100% paragon or renegade.

No way to get her loyalty back, but it doesn't mean people will die. Just don't assign Jack to do anything in the suicide mission.

dududf:
Actually...

Just a thought, is it possible to do every loyalty mission, and save the crew?

Like is it possible for me to do legions loyalty quest and then leave immediatly for the crew?

Yes.

1. Do EVERYTHING you intend to do in the game BEFORE the Reaper IFF (Loyalty missions, exploration, assignments, shopping, upgrades)

2. Do the Reaper IFF mission.

3. Immediately after the mission (don't touch the Galaxy map) go wake Legion up. After he joins you, talk to him again and you'll get his loyalty quest.

4. Go to the Galaxy map. The Collector Raid won't happen right away and you can now do Legion's mission before the kidnapping (worked three times in a row for me). That way you have everything cleared when they take your crew and can go right after them.

5. After the kidnapping, you have a small window before your crew starts dying. I believe you can go do some last minute shopping if you need it. Some people stated they did a mission or two between the kidnapping and going through the relay and they still made it in time, but I can't comment on that.

I had about 75% renegade points when they had their spat and I was able to use the Renegade option to save the loyalty of both.
I've only done the final mission once and everyone survived on me. Miranda led the fire team both times, Tali was my tech specialist, Jack did the biotic part and Grunt escorted people back to the ship. Garrus and Mordin were in my party the whole time. Everyone was loyal as well.

Ive heard You need about 80% paragon or renegade when the conflict happens and 100% if you side with one of them and and the other gets mad. Only tested with siding with jack though, because miranda was just being a bitch about it and jack was clearly in the right. It worked though.

Tips on getting full paragon/renegade

talk to everyone possible and choose the most suitable for paragon/renegade style
talk to the crew after every mission and do the same
there is a "passive" class skill (the one which grants you health and damage bonuses) that also boosts your paragon renegade levels, and when it evolves at level 4 (10 points) there is an option that will significantly boost P & R levels

in addition there is a infinite paragon glitch in samaras loyalty mish (google it)

Nope, you need a certain Paragon/Renegade level at that scene or you're screwed. Same with Tali and Legion.

Make sure not to give Miranda any jobs, or take her to the last fight.

Simriel:

The first guy to post is a liar. You have to get your paragon or renegade points up to 100% to calm her down.

MiracleOfSound:
Nope, you need a certain Paragon/Renegade level at that scene or you're screwed. Same with Tali and Legion.

...not true.

If you fail to settle the argument you can later talk to the loser and regain the lost Loyalty if your Paragon/Renegade score is large enough. I'm certain of this because I've done it. My first playthrough I sided with Jack (Paragon score too low) and then respeced my char for a higher Paragon bonus from my passive skill before taling to Miranda. Lo and behold, I got a Paragon option with her and we made up...

Jandau:

MiracleOfSound:
Nope, you need a certain Paragon/Renegade level at that scene or you're screwed. Same with Tali and Legion.

...not true.

If you fail to settle the argument you can later talk to the loser and regain the lost Loyalty if your Paragon/Renegade score is large enough. I'm certain of this because I've done it. My first playthrough I sided with Jack (Paragon score too low) and then respeced my char for a higher Paragon bonus from my passive skill before taling to Miranda. Lo and behold, I got a Paragon option with her and we made up...

That's good to know!

I hate Jack anyway. She's way too emo. I might just let her die when I do my insanity playthrough.

DarkLordofDevon:
As far as I can tell, anyone without full loyalty will die at some point. The only deciding factor with regards to tasks is WHEN they will die, and if they take someone else with them. But no matter what you do those with low loyalty WILL die by the end. I suggest going and doing an extra side quest or something to pick up a few extra paragon/renagade points, or accept that you can't save everyone this time and restart.

I sided with Miranda. As long as you don't pick anyone who isn't loyal to complete a task (or on your squad) no one should die.

First run-through: I picked Loyal Thane/Grunt and Loyal Tali (as tech specialist) - Picked Loyal Jacob to send back crew. Picked Loyal Miranda for distraction team, loyal Samara as my biotic specialist. Final mission I picked Tali/Grunt. I didn't lose anyone.

Also I had all the ship upgrades so I didn't lose anyone during the battle with the collector ship.

I'm not sure if you can gain the loyalty back, maybe people are right though, max out your Paragon. As far as the mission goes I purchased almost every possible upgrade I could find, I missed maybe a couple, all gun upgrades. I checked out every planet and etc, did about 95% of the sidequests and I still lost two guys in the mission. Both were hit with random bullets after doing a task for me. Thankfully for me it was Grunt and Legion, both of whom I didn't care for in the slightest. All I know is that Zaeed made it, and I pray to God that he will be in Mass Effect 3. Best and most used member of my team.

No, you're pretty much boned. What this means is don't use miranda for ANYTHING during the suicide run. I had this problem and found a solution for my second play through. When this conflict occurs make sure you paragon/renegade bar is 80% full or more. Basically make sure either jack or miranda's loyalty mission isn't done until your bar is that high.

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